View Full Version : Do you think we need F1 ?


Saint
12-20-05, 09:08 PM
So expensive, why shall we burn money?

spuriousmonkey
12-20-05, 09:17 PM
I like my F1 key. I need help a lot.

Hapsburg
12-20-05, 09:40 PM
*spits out drink*
That thing actually has a purpose besides ordering troops on BF42?

leopold99
12-20-05, 09:58 PM
I like my F1 key. I need help a lot.
good answer

edit
don't wipe your butt with a $20 bill, it doesn't work.

dsdsds
12-20-05, 10:11 PM
So expensive, why shall we burn money?
You mean Formula 1 right? If so,
We don't actually "need" it or any other. It is the best, most technologicaly advanced auto racing available.
Expensive? burn money? ... Who? Sponsors?, teams?, spectators who choose to buy tickets? who cares?

Saint
12-20-05, 11:14 PM
use the money to help the poor.

leopold99
12-20-05, 11:35 PM
has the poor ever heard of work?

vslayer
12-21-05, 12:18 AM
if you ever left your million dollar estate you would see that the poor are some of the hardest workers there are. but the government is corrupted and welfare is almost as low as the minimum wage. so even though they may work 12 hours a day to support their 5 kids, they are still poor.

Thor
12-21-05, 03:54 AM
I'm not a terribly big fan of Formula 1. Sure the cars are incredible but it makes for a boring sport. Yu stand in the grandstand and you only get the see the cars for about 5minutes in total. And on TV, it's just one huge endurance race where nothing ever happens. Touring cars and Rally is much more exciting.

antony
12-21-05, 05:11 AM
I guess that this querstion could be asked of just about every sport. Almost every sport consumes energy in the manufacture of its equipment / clothing etc. I guess it's just a difference of opinion as to which sports should be allowed to consume natural resources and which shouldn't.

Thor
12-21-05, 05:22 AM
I say outlaw football (soccer). If you want a boring sport then that's the one. It's high time we added some exploding balls or random pits around the pitch to add some fun. I can safely say I'm not alone when I say it would be cool to see a spiked football impaled on David Beckham's forehead.

domesticated om
12-21-05, 08:22 AM
I say outlaw football (soccer). If you want a boring sport then that's the one. It's high time we added some exploding balls or random pits around the pitch to add some fun. I can safely say I'm not alone when I say it would be cool to see a spiked football impaled on David Beckham's forehead.

I think the problem with your idea is that people think that a sport involving real death/dismemberment is too barbaric. Pffffttt... Where did they get that silly idea?
At any rate, the only sport in existance that come even remotely close to it are the ones that noboby takes seriously-- IE American Gladiators, or MXE or something along those lines.
I guess you could always turn to video games, but it's just not the same.

Closet Philosopher
12-21-05, 09:56 AM
AH, I like calculating genotypes and phenotypes for my F1 plant generations in the lab...

dsdsds
12-21-05, 04:43 PM
I guess that this querstion could be asked of just about every sport. Almost every sport consumes energy in the manufacture of its equipment / clothing etc. I guess it's just a difference of opinion as to which sports should be allowed to consume natural resources and which shouldn't.

How about art? theater? cinema? Fictional literature? any form of entertainment?

leopold99
12-21-05, 04:55 PM
if you ever left your million dollar estate you would see that the poor are some of the hardest workers there are. but the government is corrupted and welfare is almost as low as the minimum wage. so even though they may work 12 hours a day to support their 5 kids, they are still poor.
there is a difference between broke and poor.
i am broke but i am certainly not poor.

Don Quixote
12-21-05, 05:42 PM
ANYWAY.............

I think I will try and bring this thread back on topic.

The question is "Do we need F1?", and this needs to be defined. Who is "we"? Is "we" everyone on the planet? or just the people answering the question?

Personally I don't "need" F1, I really enjoy watching it but i don't need it no.

Perhaps, though, people in the F1 industry and all those associated "need" it so they can go on paying the rent. You get my point.

AND as for the burning of cash. maybe, but most of the saftey advancements made in your average car are thanks to developments made in sports like F1. So in a way F1 saves lives. A good thing.

What's your underlying beef with F1 "Saint"???????? huh? well? What?

Rick
12-22-05, 03:12 AM
DOOOOOOOOOD
Please stop being ignorant piece of *insert please*... and now theres no such thing as personal in this, i hope you understand tht you"re talking about Formula one which is one the most AMAZING and awesome sports ever, with legends like schumi, ayrton,prost...BAH! BAH!

wht'd like in racing? INDY CAR? dude, seriously indy car racing sucks it sucks!

Laterz
Rick

domesticated om
12-22-05, 07:58 AM
DOOOOOOOOOD
Please stop being ignorant piece of *insert please*... and now theres no such thing as personal in this, i hope you understand tht you"re talking about Formula one which is one the most AMAZING and awesome sports ever, with legends like schumi, ayrton,prost...BAH! BAH!


Nope. No bias here.

TruthSeeker
12-22-05, 01:48 PM
has the poor ever heard of work?
Have you ever heard of work in the middle of a desert?

TruthSeeker
12-22-05, 01:49 PM
if you ever left your million dollar estate you would see that the poor are some of the hardest workers there are. but the government is corrupted and welfare is almost as low as the minimum wage. so even though they may work 12 hours a day to support their 5 kids, they are still poor.
Good answer.

Saint
12-22-05, 06:07 PM
Alonso going to Mc Claren on 2007

spidergoat
12-22-05, 06:18 PM
So expensive, why shall we burn money?
It's no waste of money, it's advertising, entertainment, bread and circuses. If there was no profit involved, it wouldn't exist. Personally, I think rally or auto-cross with your own vehicle would be more fun.

valich
12-22-05, 07:12 PM
No, of course we don't "NEED" F1. Nor do we NEED t.v., radios, cell phones, electricity, or cars. Why should we care? It's not coming out of my pocket.

spuriousmonkey
12-22-05, 10:23 PM
Yes, it is coming out of your pocket actually.

Saint
12-23-05, 12:27 PM
Why there are no sexy cheerleaders in F1 ?

Thor
12-23-05, 12:28 PM
Because there's no half-time

spuriousmonkey
12-23-05, 02:00 PM
I don't know how you call them in English but in Dutch we call the 'pits pussies'. The girls that hang around in the pits and hold up the name sign of the drivers.

They just don't dance. They just stand and be sexy.

Zephyr
12-23-05, 03:23 PM
If humans can get paid for doing that, goodness knows where that would put the Turing test.

Who actually needs F1? The drivers who make a living off it, I suppose?

valich
12-26-05, 07:54 PM
Yes, it is coming out of your pocket actually.How so? Taxpayers aren't paying for F1 research?

Curious
12-26-05, 10:42 PM
IMO, World Rally Championship is the finest auto sport and the greatest test of overall driving abilities.

Maybe your question is to complicated for my little brain to handle but isn't it obvious that nobody needs F1 or professional sports in general. I mean I enjoy watching professional sports once in a while but I am far from needing it.

spuriousmonkey
12-27-05, 08:21 AM
How so? Taxpayers aren't paying for F1 research?

Are we paying for F1? (nobody restricted the costs of F1 to research)

How is F1 mainly paid for? Advertisements. Who is paying for advertisements? Businesses? Only at first glance. YOU pay for it of course! The costs of advertisements are calculated into the price of your consumer goods. Did you think commercial TV is for free? ha... Nothing is for free in this world.

Do taxpayers pay for F1? Taxpayers pay for everything. Also they contribute to F1 because F1 is part of society. So Taxpayers might pay for the extra police needed during a F1 event. Taxpayers pay for the roads and other infrastructure that leads to the F1 circuit and F1 team factories and design studios. There is hardly anything in this world the taxpayer doesn't contribute at least a little bit to.

The same thing is the case with football (soccer). The TV rights and player salaries have grown exponentially in the last 20 years or so. People naively think they are not paying for that. Well, I have news for you, even if you don't watch football ort hate it, the chances are high you are still paying for it.

Nothing is for free. Even in a free market economy you pay for everything. Except we then don't call it taxes. And then people are happy because they pay less taxes. At least with taxes the chances are higher that the money is actually used for your own good. With free market economy's hidden 'taxes' the money usually goes into the pockets of a few (such as bill gates or bernie ecclestone) and if you are lucky they will set up some foundation that poors some money back into society.

cosmictraveler
12-27-05, 10:13 AM
I don't think F-1 is that important as car racing goes. There's only a few manufacturers that can compete in it and of those only a few of them really stand a chance of winning. There's not allot of audiance that watches the event so it isn't very lucrative in payouts. It is more like a millionaires sport as is with many of the car races today. That's why I don't watch it and I don't have cable TV to watch it either. I don't think to many people would care If F-1 were to just fade away just as the Can Am races did.

spuriousmonkey
12-27-05, 10:48 AM
The importance of F1 depends on your location. It's unimportant in Northern America. In the rest of the world it is seen as the king of car sports.

(i think it has become a complete bore to be honest)

Chris_Smith
03-15-06, 12:25 PM
Who needs Formula One? I used to like it - back in the '80s and early '90s... Mansell, Senna, Burger, Prost, then Senna was killed in an incident - and then... it went Damon Hill and that "Ooh I've got to be unsportsman-like, and ram others off the track" Michael Schumacher... I used to be hooked to F1, probably back in my school days - but its now become more of a dictatorship lead by Ecclestone, Schumacher and alike, thanks to extreme saftey revisions Schumacher inflicted on the sport in allowing all the drivers since (especially himself), to act out more kamikaze manoevers in racing. Thus, making it not a sport of skill. And then there's the issue of aerodynamics that disturb the cars so much that competitors find it hard to overtake each other (hi-tec irony), and the stupid rules to make it even more "safe" ie. no slick tyres there then but grooves instead... Yeah - I don't need F1, it's shit! Money needs F1 and F1 needs money, it's become a business more than a sport (it's a f@cking joke). Please the sponsors - yeah Michael, jump up when on the podium, when you win all the time - yeah :eek: , don't fake it mate, atleast look like you wanted the win! It's a very :cool: uncharismatic sport now, no natural charisma :cool: , just marketed and too pushed... quite the opposite to what the sport was in its legendary heydays.

spidergoat
03-15-06, 12:58 PM
I'm saving up for my own street legal racecar:
http://incantevole.hautetfort.com/images/medium_bugatti_veyron_18_4.jpg
Bugatti Veyron. I need it.

The Devil Inside
03-15-06, 01:16 PM
I don't know how you call them in English but in Dutch we call the 'pits pussies'. The girls that hang around in the pits and hold up the name sign of the drivers.

They just don't dance. They just stand and be sexy.

you speak dutch?
i thought you were from england?
i am living in belgium right now, and they speak dutch....strange language imho.

Chatha
03-15-06, 05:01 PM
I think we need more deaths in F-1, you know, something to spice it up a little. Believe me if drivers die horrific deaths in every race most people will develop an interest. Back in the good old days there were no helmets, seat belts, or air bags. None of those fancy safety gadgets. Those were real gentlemen.

przyk
03-15-06, 05:15 PM
Do you think we need F1 ?
Do you think we need the rainforest?

I can think of maybe one good thing you get from F1 that you don't with football: research and advances in technology. The teams are constantly competing with one another to make their cars perform better. I've never heard of work being done to make footballs more aerodynamic...

Varda
03-15-06, 05:48 PM
F1 was over to me with Ayrton Senna's death

spidergoat
03-15-06, 06:13 PM
They have done some interesting things with diesel racing engines.

Constantine
03-16-06, 10:48 AM
The new rules (V8 engines instead of V10) makes the new season more thrilling. Even though cars will have 200 BHP less and will be slower on straight track. Due to the smaller engines the aerodynamics are better, so cornering is faster.

This makes that there are more possibilities for duels between drivers. And more strategic opportunities.

The GP of Bahrain last Sunday was quite thrilling!

(It's a pitty that F1 will not drive the Francorchamps circuit in Belgium this year. This all due to the fact that a French speaking politician signed an English contract, which he did not understand. They should have made it in Dutch (majority language of Belgium) so he would have understand even less of it...))