where does human originate from?
monkey?
or creature from outer space?
what do you think of Darwinism?

I believe that the Anu does in fact, exists. I believe in the monkey/alien factor. Were all alien anyway!? I don't believe in everything Darwinism stands/stood for.

Humans evolved along with every other life form on Earth.

Humans are not descended from monkeys, but monkeys and humans share a common ancestor.

Maybe life on Earth came from outer space, but that only pushes the question back a bit further. Where did the alien life come from?

As for Darwinism, if you're referring to the modern sythesis of evolutionary theory, somebody very smart once said that nothing in biology makes any sense except in the light of evolutionary ideas. I agree with him.

yes, everything has origin, including alien life. but does it really that things come from others by evolution? without evolution, can not life occur? our thought has been confined to the logic that everything has a reason. things without reason don`t exist.
Are all these true for the world in present? maybe we should change our logic. maybe we just exist without any reason.

Well that would rather ignore the vast interconnected causative relationships established through studies in genetics, cladistics, comparative anatomy, biochemistry, biology, micro-biology, organic chemistry, palaeontology and the like. There is a difference between 'reason' and 'purpose'.

The evidence stares us in the face like a giant billboard.
At some point, the volcano god will be a volcano and we'll stop throwing in sacraficial virgins to make it happy.

'The term "Darwinism" is most commonly used by creationists as a somewhat derogatory term for "evolutionary biology". Casting evolution as an "ism" -- a doctrine or belief -- is used to strengthen calls for "equal time" for other beliefs such as creationism.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwinism

the question is therefore already loaded before an (loaded) answer is given.

James R:

somebody very smart once said that nothing in biology makes any sense except in the light of evolutionary ideas.

Somebody = Theodosius (aka. Theodore) Dobzhansky

Yeah, him. Thanks.

Heheh, admit it James, I am superior. You may address me as 'Your eminence' from now on. :D

Well that would rather ignore the vast interconnected causative relationships established through studies in genetics, cladistics, comparative anatomy, biochemistry, biology, micro-biology, organic chemistry, palaeontology and the like. There is a difference between 'reason' and 'purpose'.

yes, Ophiolite. you are right in some aspects. the interconnected causative relationships is important for out present knowledge. i admit it. but i just want to know what the world should be and what the system of knowledge should be if we discarded the causal logic? maybe it would bring us something important and help us unveil the secret of life, would not it?

Humans are not descended from monkeys, but monkeys and humans share a common ancestor.Humans are apes and apes are descended from monkeys. Not any of the modern species of monkeys that are alive today, but older extinct species that were nonetheless true monkeys. The first apes branched off from the other primates about 20 million years ago.

Humans are most closely related to chimpanzees. Both species branched off from a common ancestor, a true ape, less than 10 million years ago.

The earliest primates go back about 65 million years. I don't think the computer analysis of DNA comparisons is complete, but it looks like the primates evolved from sloths, and the sloths evolved from shrews. Shrews are the first rodents that were able to climb trees, and they popped up shortly after the first fruit-bearing trees appeared, giving animals a reason to want to climb trees.

Our intense love of fruit, compared to most mammals, is one of first things that distinguished us from the other mammals.

Humans are apes and apes are descended from monkeys.

No. Wrong. Humans are apes. Apes are not descended from monkeys.

yes, everything has origin, including alien life. but does it really that things come from others by evolution? without evolution, can not life occur? our thought has been confined to the logic that everything has a reason. things without reason don`t exist.
Are all these true for the world in present? maybe we should change our logic. maybe we just exist without any reason.

Perhaps I'm reading this entirely incorrectly, but you seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that the idea of evolution encompasses some form of fundamental belief - it doesn't. It's a process. More accurately, an observation of a process that remains ongoing. Asking the question "without evolution, can not life occur?" misses the point entirely regarding the process itself which remains that of, fundamentally speaking, biological survival.

Evolutionary Theory doesn't offer reasons why we exist, it certainly doesn't dictate that a species like our own necessarily should exist - only that, in existing at all, that existence came about as part of an ongoing process universal to all life as we understand it.

Evolution dictates no purpose, no onset, no definite goal. What happens does.

Precisely. Monkeys are similar to apes, but have tails, but they are both primates. Humans are primates, and are apes, but we are not monkeys.

maybe we should change our logic. maybe we just exist without any reason.Given your premise that would be a reasonable conclusion.

:P

~Raithere

I believe in Darwinism

Perhaps I'm reading this entirely incorrectly, but you seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that the idea of evolution encompasses some form of fundamental belief - it doesn't. It's a process. More accurately, an observation of a process that remains ongoing. Asking the question "without evolution, can not life occur?" misses the point entirely regarding the process itself which remains that of, fundamentally speaking, biological survival.

Evolutionary Theory doesn't offer reasons why we exist, it certainly doesn't dictate that a species like our own necessarily should exist - only that, in existing at all, that existence came about as part of an ongoing process universal to all life as we understand it.

Evolution dictates no purpose, no onset, no definite goal. What happens does.

thank you, Mr Anonymous! you remind me.it is right that evolutionary theory is not the reason of life, it is just an explain. we could explain our world by many theories. the theory of evolution is just one of them, and is not the only one.

'The term "Darwinism" is most commonly used by creationists as a somewhat derogatory term for "evolutionary biology". Casting evolution as an "ism" -- a doctrine or belief -- is used to strengthen calls for "equal time" for other beliefs such as creationism.'.

That's true, but I think that in modern times the term Darwinism has taken on a life of its own. To me, it signifies not so much acceptance of evolutionary theory, but rather of philosophical positions relating to the absense of god, purposelessness of existence, etc. Which is certainly what pisses off the evangelists...

I believe in Darwinism

I belive your welsh!

I belive your welsh!

Well noooo......how did you guess?? Was it the name lol??

No, it was the sheep!! :)

Where do you see sheep???

In your eyes!!

No, that's just your reflection because I'm looking at you!!!

Okkkkkkay, FREAK, back on topic, why do you believe in Darwinism??

Because there is sufficient evidence to support the theory, both in fossils, and living today! How else can you account for mutations in bacteria which develop resistance to antibiotics, such as MRSA?

So what are your theories on evolution?? If your intrested you should check out my thread "Evolution , not a fact?".

What do you mean what is my theory?? Darwin proposed the theory, and I believe it exists! And btw, theories is spelt 'theorIEs', and evolution is spelt 'evolUtion'!!

What do you mean what is my theory?? Darwin proposed the theory, and I believe it exists! And btw, theories is spelt 'theorIEs', and evolution is spelt 'evolUtion'!!

Well thats exactly it isnt it, Darwins Theory that entails that its not a fact, its up to your beliefs to judge wheather or not you except his theory verbatim, obviously you do, hence your answer. But i myself would question someone such as yourself that excepts something such as this without question!

If i want my spelling corrected i'll go to spell check, thanks all the same. :eek:

Well I suggest you use it next time lol! OK, I accept that it is a theory, but like I said there is sufficient evidence to support the theory, therefore, I for one, accept it. There is no point in me attempting to put forward further theories or even edit Darwin's original, since there is no more that can be added.

However, I do also believe, as did Darwin in his later years, that evolution could not happen on its own, and that there is a Higher Being who started it all off, and is continuing to implent it.

Well I suggest you use it next time lol!

And i suggest you eat shit.

You'll perhaps find that we are on the net, in a forums, not in some A-level english 'lit' exam, so as long as you can understand what i say/mean, youv'e got no worrys, and no need to be some snide, correcting boffin of a 'Welshlad', but then again, you are welsh... :)

OK, I accept that it is a theory, but like I said there is sufficient evidence to support the theory, therefore, I for one, accept it.

Blindly, apparently.

There is no point in me attempting to put forward further theories or even edit Darwin's original, since there is no more that can be added.

Who the hells asking you to?? Certainly not me. You see, you take me too literally, when i say "whats your theory on..." i mean, "what do you think..", "what are your ideas..." and so forth.

However, I do also believe, as did Darwin in his later years, that evolution could not happen on its own, and that there is a Higher Being who started it all off, and is continuing to implent it.

So you 'googled' it up did you? You dont sound like you know what your talking about, at all. So your christian right?

And i suggest you eat shit.
Well, I'm afraid I'm not going to take you up on that one - thanks for the suggestion though!!

You'll perhaps find that we are on the net, in a forums, not in some A-level english 'lit' exam,
'a forums'????? And I don't do English Lit.!! I just like to understand what I'm reading!!

so as long as you can understand what i say/mean, youv'e got no worrys,
Well I can't - that's the whole point!! (see above - I mean what does that mean??)

but then again, you are welsh... :)
Nothing wrong with being Welsh!!!

Who the hells asking you to?? Certainly not me. You see, you take me too literally, when i say "whats your theory on..." i mean, "what do you think..", "what are your ideas..." and so forth.
Well maybe I am too literal, but at least if you take things literally, you can't be picked up for not doing what someone says!

So you 'googled' it up did you? You dont sound like you know what your talking about, at all. So your christian right?
No, I didn't - that's what I think! In what way do I not sound as though I don't know what I'm talking about? Also, I am a Christian, ye. Is that a problem?

amino acids formed on the early earth's surface. became organized an self replicating. there's life. or so the theory says...

its not that we originate from monkeys....its that monkeys and us eventually originated from the same creature (which no longer exists), a long time ago.

Speaking of Earths surface....explain why it's not the same as other planets and why it's missing it's (rock)?

Pardon? What do you mean by missing its rock?

The surface is different for several reasons:

1) Plate tectonics
2) Atmospheric composition
3) Biosphere
4) Initial compositional differences

Do I believe in Darwinism?

No.

But I do provisionally subscribe to the notion.

It's not about faithful belief. It's about patient consideration.

No. I believe God created the universe in six days and then took a well deserves coffee break…..after he created coffee, of course.

But he had nothing to admire his creativity, so he created man, in his image, to ponder over what the hell he created.

The world makes sense.
At last!!!!!

I don't believe in Social Darwinism. Darwin's theory however seems to be reasonably accurate in describing evolution, in which I believe.

I don't believe in taboos on mentioning unequal intelligence, whether between individuals or races or genders. That's just immature.

where does human originate from?
monkey?
or creature from outer space?
what do you think of Darwinism?
Evolution isn't a religion, it's not an -ism. Those who brand it as such are usually backwards idiots who lack the 'logic' portion of thier brain.

Both evolution and religions are theories.

Facts about Americans committing more crime than Europeans are facts.

IMHO ;)

For the last time, again. Evolution is a fact. The mechanisms by which evolution operate have the category of theory: scientific theory - which is as good as it gets in science.

There are different subsets of data that suggest species have evolved. One of the evolutionary theories (by means of natural and sexual selection) seems to be able to explain the data sets best.

Religion is a belief. The christian notion of creation cannot be supported by the data sets gathered.

android:

Both evolution and religions are theories.

I'm sure you're using the word "theories" here as roughly equivalent to a "guess", which may be right or wrong but which is unproven.

The word "theory" in science means something quite different. It means a well-supported collection of accepted statements - that is, a collection of "facts", in ordinary language.

The theory of evolution is on as solid a scientific footing as the theory of gravity. Both are scientific facts.