Do these statements mean the same thing..?

Is there a difference between this quotation:

...And either of these two quotations.

Apart from any outside threads or personas on this forum, and looking SOLELY at these two subject clauses alone, do either of the two bottom expressions have equivalent meanings to the first expression? Are either of the two different from the first listed expression whatsoever..? Is one more descriptive than the other..? Might one indicate important information that the other does not..?

Try to be honest.

 

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why don't you "try to be honest" and cite your own damn quotations accurately?

the original:

"I sense that you harbor some residual malice due to your state of being an asian person who I have previously offended on the basis of your fruitcake religion and ethnicity. "

and the excerpts:

"her state of being an asian person" and "her fruitcake religion and ethnicity."

or

"state of being an asian person who I have previously offended" and "your fruitcake religion and ethnicity."

 

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It's been a while since I took grammar, but I don't think these were subject clauses in the original sentence. They could be subject clauses, but were not in context.

 

Will advised us that we are to "try to be honest." apparently, he is not obliged to be honest.

 

I hadn't thought of it before but the end of the sentence leans heavily towards racism just by itself.

Note that it does not say 'you were offended' or 'you felt offended' but in fact states that he did offend her on the basis of her religion and ethnicity.

 

if you look to the thread from which this was excerpted, you will note that the author of this statement has "gone on record" as declaring all religions mentally unsound--"they are all fruitcake religions." http://sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2503694&postcount=423

the more, um, acquainted i become with this statement, the clearer it's meaning becomes.

 

Updated the original post to reflect two versions of the second quotation. Are either of them different from the first quotation..? Try to be honest, and try to be uninvolved.

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Assume for the sake of this thread that it is relevant because "asian" is the basis on which that person felt offended.

 

Perhaps we've moved on to some other issue related to the original sentence, but the beginning seems utterly relevent to me.

"I sense that you harbor some residual malice due to your state of being an asian person who I have previously offended on the basis of your fruitcake religion and ethnicity. "

Since the sentence works perfectly without 'asian' the sentence implies that this relates to the way she is harboring malice. To include it is redundant otherwise. It doesn't matter which ethnicity was relevent to the original insult only that you offended her regarding her ethnicity.

For the life of me I cannot see why you don't simply say 'that's not what I meant.' If you show that sentence to any English teacher they will show you a number of ways the sentence is awkward and weak, all not related to the content. The sentence does no prove there was racist intent. But if there was none, it is an even poorer sentence. But who cares if we write the occasional poor sentence? I mean really. It's an internet discussion forum.

 

again, Will, try to be honest here: the statements in your OP--yes, even the updated statements--bear little to no relationship to the statement and the excerpts which offended people, because they interpreted such rightly.

this statement--"I sense that you harbor some residual malice due to your state of being an asian person who I have previously offended on the basis of your fruitcake religion and ethnicity. "--implies that the malice owes--is caused by--the person's state of being an asian person.

what do YOU think "due to your state of being an asian person" suggests?

 

So is this statement aimed to upset?,...Will?!

You could pretty much suggest it is, although in essence it is just an example to quantify how your initial statement might have come across, Aiming a retort at the individual because of your differences with them and using whatever ammunition you can to throw at them. (In this instance the use of "asian", of course this is presumed by a person reading that the person making the statement demonizes "asian". You might claim it's a misinterpretation, but in certain respects that burden would fall on you to be clearer about what you actually meant)

 

Correction: -- is caused by the person's state of being an asian person who has previously been offended on the basis of her (fruitcake) religion and ethnicity. That is the original statement. Please do not misquote.

The residual malice portion is the same in both quotations. As well, you were okay with abbreviating the quotation when it suited your needs so I think you had better aim for a bit more honesty and like I suggested earlier, consistency in your values. You seem to be intent on interfering with people's uninfluenced interpretation of whether the original two statements in the OP are the same or not, outside of their original thread and from outside their original paragraph. That is how this thread is set up. You may want to simply stay out of this.

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I have already stated what is/was meant by it separately. So that would settle that. Continuing to misinterpret it after clarification is dishonest.

 

sorry Will, here is the original statement: "I sense that you harbor some residual malice due to your state of being an asian person who I have previously offended on the basis of your religion and ethnicity." (you removed the "fruitcake" part in your edit, but Kira got it in her quote before you changed it.)

again, please try to be honest!

and you have been reported for your repeated dishonesty.

 

except that within the thread you continue to stand by your original statement.

 

|| I don't see what good can come from this discussion. And besides, no matter what your reasons for making this thread were, it doesn't belong here. Thread closed.