View Full Version : Do Films/movies alter culture?


Captain_Crunch
07-26-02, 11:34 AM
My question is do films (movies) alter the world around us? do children turn bad from watching too many films? The same is apparent of computer games such as Grand Theft Auto, it had been banned at one point (when the original came out) because it was believed it would glamorise crime. Do films/computer games do this? What do the people of sci-forums think?
[in responce to other users saying that flaming has became too abundent - please keep this thread sensible folks.]

Pollux V
07-26-02, 11:43 AM
I think it's the other way around. Movies revolve around culture, for the most part. I love recognizing movies or old TV shows (like Star Trek) that are really grounded in the era they were made in. It's more or less a cycle, I guess. Movies define culture but if the movie is grounded in culture then the movie becomes popular and may edit culture itself. (inhales)

Clarentavious
07-26-02, 01:08 PM
I most certainly think they do, but not to the extent that once a kid watches an action movie that means he is going to go out and shoot someone. To a lesser extent and in different ways IMO

I would also agree that many movies are formed from culture. Once the suits in hollywood making these things find out what the demand is, and what people are going to pay to see, and what will influence their minds, yes, it goes along this way I think.

lixluke
07-27-02, 11:11 AM
yes

Tyler
07-27-02, 11:24 AM
There are a select few movies who have that kind of affect on the (American, or Western) world. Grease caused a 50s revival in the 1970's in America. More recently you have movies like The Matrix which caused a certain group of people to become overly philosophical wondering if The Matrix is real (just a revival of the old I-may-be-a-butterfly-dreaming-he's-a-man idea). Generally though, there are movies with amazing power like this but only to certain groups. Jurrasic Park for instances changed the movie industry and special effects. Star Wars redefined science fiction for fanatics.

More often though you will see art reflecting life in movies. What I find most interesting is when they do a movie set 40+ years ago and many of the actors have their haircuts from 2002. They make a whole costume to look old fashioned but the hair seems to stay the same unless it's a serious drama.

Pollux V
07-27-02, 08:21 PM
Star Wars redefined science fiction for fanatics.
:D

kmguru
07-27-02, 08:44 PM
If visual information such as movies do not have any effect on the human population, then the advertising group is definitely wasting billions of dollars that the companies could keep to improve profit. The truth is advertisement do work and so do other visual information. R and X rated movies desensitize people from a previous norm and so on. While American movies are not a representative of the social culture at large, overseas people actually believe such is the case and try to emulate such potrayal.

Bottom line is movies, and media do alter culture slowly and subtly and vice versa. Hollywood would like you to believe otherwise lest they could be sued for manipulation. To think that there is a high degree of signal separation in every human mind is simply not possible the way our brain is designed.

wet1
07-27-02, 08:54 PM
Hmmm

This is an example that I have often had a problem with.

The case in point is that many censors and right and left wings have sought to effect this topic. The thinking that if you watch to many violent incidents on TV on in the movies that you yourself think it alright to go do such. There are examples to support such and others that deny this is a valid idea.

In favor are instances where some child thinks they can fly like a super hero and puts on a sheet for a cape and goes sailing out the window.

Myself, I tend to think; no it is not as strong as that. I learned to read by comic books. One of those media that is desparately sought to be controlled. There is even a set of "rules" that the comic writers follow to discourage such behaviour. I have no thought that it would be nice to go rob a bank, rape someone, or go shoot some one because of what ever reason hit my head. In spite of learning of such actions through comics.

I do agree with kmguru that you can become desentisized to seeing events of violent nature through their repeated visualizations by media such as movies and tv where graphics are a bit too real.

kmguru
07-27-02, 09:23 PM
When such topic is debated, most people bring up (no offense intended, wet1) the extreme case of killing, raping and robbing banks. Life is not just that. There is a large amout of activities one goes through life good or bad - some have immidiate consequences while others have long term Karma (Banshee take note).

While people may not go out and rob a bank, but they can surely cook the books or clean out your 401K - dollar value in billions. Whether visual information affects you or me personally is not the issue - whether it affects the culture at large.

Now, we know that a commercial presented in just 2 minutes and poorly produced (low budget) does have an effect on the majority of the intended. So, it is logical to assume that a well directed movie will definitely have an effect (tear jerkers for example) on the populace - good or bad.

Stryder
07-28-02, 08:06 AM
Films and movies, but people forget they were a script or a book to start with.

For instance George Orwell's "1984", that changed the perception of the world or some people. It's constantly bantered about with "Big Brother" being the keyword of phrase constantly bomabarding the press releases from one psychological experiment to the next.

Another, What of Isaac Asimov's Rules of Robotics (Was it "Metropolis"?), which is now apart of conversation when people discuss cyybernetics or artificial intelligence design.

How about Mary Shelly's "Frankenstein", the subject of cloning now might not have been such an abomination if it wasn't for the understanding that such a creation might be percieved a "monster" and scorned by the world.

There have been countless apocolyptic films ("Like Mad Max") perhaps this has allowed man to realise that blowing himself to oblivion isn't the best idea to make, so we've manage to keep most of the world in one piece, even ended a Cold war.

Science fiction can be based on science fact, and some authors (notibly P. K. Dick) mentioned that it's all very well to build a utopian world like Gene Roddenbery did, but they found the worlds to be made more interesting when that Utopia starts to fall to bits.

People have always seen what horrific events could befoul them from decay and chaos, and it has taught them caution in what they do.

So in short, Fiction does help mold fact, Either as inspiration to help pioneer or just to make sure we don't make so many mistakes.

Modz
07-30-02, 12:58 AM
I think that there is a high degree of truth in what you are saying.
But one of the main points in this discusion is if the media has an subconsios effekt on people.
I belive that you are right about the affeckt that books have on sociaty.

But the very nature of books are are often to get message across.
And even if it isn't, books usualy gets people thinking because u have to be active and and open when you read a good book.

For eksample Dashiell Hammetts books from the twenties and thirties. That opened the publics eye to the coruption, crime and poverty of that period in american big city's.

I also think that film has a very big effect og sociaty. But people often doen't think as much about it. It pushes the bounderies of sociaty in a more unkontrolled way.


Now, we know that a commercial presented in just 2 minutes and poorly produced (low budget) does have an effect on the majority of the intended. So, it is logical to assume that a well directed movie will definitely have an effect (tear jerkers for example) on the populace - good or bad.

ssivakami
07-31-02, 04:54 AM
Originally posted by Captain_Crunch
My question is do films (movies) alter the world around us? do children turn bad from watching too many films? The same is apparent of computer games such as Grand Theft Auto, it had been banned at one point (when the original came out) because it was believed it would glamorise crime. Do films/computer games do this? What do the people of sci-forums think? Whatever each of us may individually opine, or believe ..... evidence suggests that this is not the case.
There seems to be no considerable positive correlation between watching violent movies and being violent ... or between watching porn and commiting sexual crimes .

- Sivakami.

Agent@5
08-01-02, 07:09 PM
ahh cool i topic i know something about!! w00t!

from my experience of studying the cause and effects of media in general, i think ive found that its a cycle that encourages each other... I mean look at you own life, how influnced do you feel you are by movies. I personally feel it could have something to do with the way i feel love could be, but then i shale it when i break away from those sterotypes.... I think thtats what movies are... sterotypical aspects of everyday life, blown up and dramatised for entertainment purposes... newspapers are the same. What we see a lot is what we call normal, and acceptable, if we see violence in movies, violence in movies is teh 'norm', but it being transposed into life is another thing... movie ideas have to come from somewhere right?

kmguru
08-02-02, 01:38 AM
Originally posted by Agent@5
... movie ideas have to come from somewhere right?

From the dark minds of the screen writers who see the world with their dark glasses ....drugs and drinks and women (or men) as appetizers...

Agent@5
08-03-02, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by kmguru


From the dark minds of the screen writers who see the world with their dark glasses ....drugs and drinks and women (or men) as appetizers...


whoever they are, they exist in a society. Their thoughts and ideas come from experiences they have had through this society.

Tyler
08-03-02, 05:39 PM
Agent - Not always. In fact, many screenwriters of good movies (and by good movies I mean those not designed just to rake in money from teenagers and early 20s) take their experience from entirely different cultures and then try and incorporate what they like in said culture to modern/western society.

Agent@5
08-03-02, 10:45 PM
Originally posted by Tyler
Agent - Not always. In fact, many screenwriters of good movies (and by good movies I mean those not designed just to rake in money from teenagers and early 20s) take their experience from entirely different cultures and then try and incorporate what they like in said culture to modern/western society.



tyler, i said A society....

greenboy
09-30-13, 07:09 AM
Start Trek changed American Culture even today all the changes were seen first in start Trek the show from the 60's our dear William Shatner influenced into the American Culture like no other actor did this before.

greenboy
09-30-13, 07:12 AM
Halloween is coming and all the horror movies in the media increased the violence in out society. And this is a fact.

arauca
09-30-13, 09:16 AM
My question is do films (movies) alter the world around us? do children turn bad from watching too many films? The same is apparent of computer games such as Grand Theft Auto, it had been banned at one point (when the original came out) because it was believed it would glamorise crime. Do films/computer games do this? What do the people of sci-forums think?
[in responce to other users saying that flaming has became too abundent - please keep this thread sensible folks.]


yes they do . As I and many others that I know we come influenced by move. As I arrived I was very disappointed on what in reality I have seen, I wanted to get out of here. I went to a different consulate for visa . but I found a girl , and I go stacked here. I know other which had similar experience.
So move are just propaganda .

Fraggle Rocker
09-30-13, 02:46 PM
Start Trek changed American Culture even today all the changes were seen first in start Trek the show from the 60's our dear William Shatner influenced into the American Culture like no other actor did this before.You mean Gene Roddenberry, the show's creator. Not William Shatner, the star. It was Roddenberry who came up with all those ideas.


Halloween is coming and all the horror movies in the media increased the violence in our society. And this is a fact.Could you please give us a link to the source of that so-called "fact"? Surely you understand that while life imitates art, the opposite is also true.


yes they do . As I and many others that I know we become influenced by movie. As I arrived I was very disappointed on what in reality I have seen, I wanted to get out of here. I went to a different consulate for visa . but I found a girl , and I got stuck here. I know others who had similar experience. So movies are just propaganda .This is not the USSR. Nobody's stopping you from leaving if you don't like it here. How could you possibly stay and raise children in the USA if you think it's such a bad place? Weren't they subject to all those evil influences?

Oh wait, they were. I remember you told us that one of your sons grew up to be a paid professional killer. He must have learned that from the movies. ;)

Anyway, I repeat what I said to Green Boy: Life does indeed imitate art, but art also imitates life.

The majority of the violence on earth is perpetrated by governments, not by individuals. Governments are not influenced very much by movies. They tend to be more influenced by religions.

So if you want to end violence, let's outlaw religion.

wegs
09-30-13, 02:55 PM
Halloween is coming and all the horror movies in the media increased the violence in out society. And this is a fact.

really? :confused:

arauca
09-30-13, 03:09 PM
governments,[/B] not by individuals. Governments are not influenced very much by movies. They tend to be more influenced by religions.

So if you want to end violence, let's outlaw religion.

Government is made up by people , and this nation is the most violent in the last 50 years, lately the people are promoting violence though games , music movie and even the language have become very abusive and vulgar . Yes one of my sons was influenced and joined the Navy. Do I regret , yes, can I do any thing no, because thi influence of atheism in the schools ( public ). There is no body holding me here . I am adaptive , I will. bitch like you do, I did not munch from the government like you

arauca
09-30-13, 03:23 PM
governments,[/B] not by individuals. Governments are not influenced very much by movies. They tend to be more influenced by religions.

So if you want to end violence, let's outlaw religion.

I could not let you go , that easy , you mentioned outlaw religion.
In my experience a few years with penitentiary. I can tell you positively , the Godless young people cause problem in jail , people converted to any faith are people are passive and don't cause disturbance. So if I extrapolate the microcosm to the outside . I can say as America is becoming more Godless we are going to see more violence ,

Seattle
09-30-13, 04:33 PM
I don't think movies substantially alter the culture. For one thing not enough people see them. If you include TV, and video games the numbers go up but "alter" would be too strong a word in my opinion.

It's just entertainment. It is probably more accurate to say that movies reflect the culture. If someone thinks the U.S. is too violent because of the movies just pick another country where the same movies are seen and where the violence level is lower. You'll see that there is little to not connection between movies and violence.

Also, there aren't many violent movies in the Middle East but there is plenty of violence.

When people worry about these things it's generally a red herring. There are other much more important things to worry about.

Having the freedom to watch whatever you want to watch and not having to watch anything that doesn't appeal to you is a much more important concept.

arauca
09-30-13, 08:12 PM
I don't think movies substantially alter the culture. For one thing not enough people see them. If you include TV, and video games the numbers go up but "alter" would be too strong a word in my opinion.

It's just entertainment. It is probably more accurate to say that movies reflect the culture. If someone thinks the U.S. is too violent because of the movies just pick another country where the same movies are seen and where the violence level is lower. You'll see that there is little to not connection between movies and violence.

Also, there aren't many violent movies in the Middle East but there is plenty of violence.

When people worry about these things it's generally a red herring. There are other much more important things to worry about.

Having the freedom to watch whatever you want to watch and not having to watch anything that doesn't appeal to you is a much more important concept.

I wonder what is the reason to introduce this police cars into a civilian society
http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/why-hottest-police-car-bomb-proof-military-suv-184502872.html

Seattle
09-30-13, 08:22 PM
I wonder what is the reason to introduce this police cars into a civilian society
http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/why-hottest-police-car-bomb-proof-military-suv-184502872.html

It's not because of the movies. It looks like it's war surplus equipment from Afghanistan. It doesn't seem necessary but it's hardly related to what movies we watch.

arauca
09-30-13, 08:34 PM
It's not because of the movies. It looks like it's war surplus equipment from Afghanistan. It doesn't seem necessary but it's hardly related to what movies we watch.

Can you tell me were is the training ground for the youth beside school ? How many hours per day the young people spend in front on movie on TV and games on computers ?

Seattle
09-30-13, 08:39 PM
Can you tell me were is the training ground for the youth beside school ? How many hours per day the young people spend in front on movie on TV and games on computers ?

What is your argument exactly? Are societies less violent that don't have movies and TV? Do you have any evidence that kids that play violent video games are more violent than kids that don't play violent games? Or do you just come to conclusions without any facts just because it sounds good to you?

arauca
09-30-13, 08:58 PM
What is your argument exactly? Are societies less violent that don't have movies and TV? Do you have an evidence that kids that play violent video games are more violent than kids that don't play violent games? Or do you just come to conclusions without any facts just because it sounds good to you?

Here is the classical excuse " Do you have an evidence that kids that play violent video"

Sid you read the article I posted on post # 26 ? In the 1950 there were no mass shutters in schools , now day this is not uncommon tho hear a gunman killing inicent bystanders.

Seattle
09-30-13, 09:13 PM
Here is the classical excuse " Do you have an evidence that kids that play violent video"

Sid you read the article I posted on post # 26 ? In the 1950 there were no mass shutters in schools , now day this is not uncommon tho hear a gunman killing inicent bystanders.

And the only thing you can think of that is different are the movies?

arauca
09-30-13, 09:20 PM
And the only thing you can think of that is different are the movies?

Who inspires the individual , the commercials on TV what to eat , how to dress what car should you drive , how sexy the woman should look , the fantasy of luxurious loves of actors , what more do you want me to tell you, I am sure you know things just as I know

Seattle
09-30-13, 09:41 PM
Who inspires the individual , the commercials on TV what to eat , how to dress what car should you drive , how sexy the woman should look , the fantasy of luxurious loves of actors , what more do you want me to tell you, I am sure you know things just as I know

When I was a kid there were cowboy movies and "horror" movies. We even played with toy guns. No one went out and shot people after they grew up just because they played with toy guns as a kid.

I can see why parents might limit movies, TV, video games for their kids but either way the bigger problem is that it's making them fat and potentially lazy by just sitting in front of a TV. Violence, in my opinion, comes from lack of jobs, lack of education and other opportunities and from poor parenting.

arauca
09-30-13, 09:53 PM
When I was a kid there were cowboy movies and "horror" movies. We even played with toy guns. No one went out and shot people after they grew up just because they played with toy guns as a kid.

I can see why parents might limit movies, TV, video games for their kids but either way the bigger problem is that it's making them fat and potentially lazy by just sitting in front of a TV. Violence, in my opinion, comes from lack of jobs, lack of education and other opportunities and from poor parenting.

I agree before we had cowboys and indian , then changed to detectives , and now cars fly explode and speed and collision . We have definitive a different society the violent music tells a lot.

Seattle
09-30-13, 09:55 PM
I agree before we had cowboys and indian , then changed to detectives , and now cars fly explode and speed and collision . We have definitive a different society the violent music tells a lot.

I agree regarding society. I just think that the movies and music reflect the society that we live in rather than cause it in any way.