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Daniel

05-15-01, 04:33 PM

I believe the anomalies in The Bible code, ie. the predicted assassination of Prime Minister Netanyahu
and the mismatch of gender between ' third ' and
'world war ' were signs indicating to look and think
deeply about the code itself, thought times six
as the code suggests. I believe the chapter and
verse locations of the skip sequence Bible code listed in
Michael Drosnin's book ' The Bible Code ' is part of the
Bible code itself.
This includes
- a direct conversion to Gregorian years by straight addition
of the chapter and verse numbers
eg. Exodus 19 : 12 to 1912 to 1912 AD

- a switch of chapter and verse numbers before addition
eg. Isaiah 65 : 18 to 1865 to 1865 AD

- other methods as well.

By following this through the questions / uncertainties that arise from the code after a first glance then
dissappear and a code that bluffs a third world war emerges.

' Prime Minister Netanyahu ' is encoded once, from Exodus 19 :12 to Deuteronomy 4 :47.

' 9th of Av is the day of the Third ' appears in the hidden text of Numbers 19 :12 with ' World War ' and the
ancient name for Jerusalem ' Ariel '.

Exodus 19 :12 Netanyahu
Numbers 19 :12 Third / World War
Although the encodings are in different Books of the Bible the chapter and verse numbers are the same,
19 :12. These are the only times 19 :12 appears as
chapter and verse locations for the skip sequence code
in ' Notes on Illustrations'.
Exodus Numbers
x marks the spot ie. numbers

19 : 12 converts to 1912 converts to 1912 AD.

1912 AD British liner Titanic sinks.
At Piltdown in Southeast England
' Piltdown Man ' is discovered, a human skull
with an ape-like jaw
( exposed as a forgery years later )

forgery ( making of ) forged document.
forge make or write in
fraudulent imition
fraud dishonest trick, criminal deception

Max von Laue demonstates that crystals
are composed of regular, repeated
arrays of atoms.

note. The Bible code was decoded using arrays.

Both ' in 5760 ' and ' in 5766 ', the years 2000 and 2006 in the modern calendar, are encoded with ' World War ' in Deuteronomy 11 : 14 & 11: 15
( The Bible Code p.189 )
Deuteronomy 11 : 14
11 : 14
1114
1114 AD

1114 AD Tower of Victory built by Mas'ud III at
Ghazni.
Earliest record of the great international
fairs of Champagne, at Bar-sur-Aube
and Troyes.

summary World War 1114 Tower of Victory,
Champagne

I believe the words and positions of the skip sequence Bible code have been chosen with precision so that
the full code is much larger and of a different theme
than appears initially. The code links together like a chain. There is a contents list and summary at the end
of this post. There are words that are encoded more
than once, some are encoded three times in close proximity.

Libya
The name ' Libya ' appears three times with ' atomic holocaust ',once crossing those words, and twice
more on the same line, appearing all three times
in Exodus 34 : 6 - 7.
( The Bible Code p.184 )

delayed
' Death, July to Amman ' stated the full hidden text that crossed his name. The word ' delayed ' appeared
right above. ' Delayed ' appeared twice more with
' Prime Minister Netanyahu '..........
( The Bible Code p.124 )

Booth
' A .Lincoln ' is encoded twice, in Genesis and Deuteronomy. The name of his assassin, ' Booth '
appears three times in one verse of the Bible that
crosses ' Lincoln '.
( The Bible Code p.81 )

delayed Libya Booth
delayed Libya Booth
delayed Libya Booth

US President Abraham Lincoln was assassinated by J W Booth on 14 April 1865.The Hutchinson Chronology
of World History, Compact Edition, the history book
I use, lists three people named Booth in its index :-

Booth, Charles 1891
Booth, J W 1865
Booth, William 1865, 1878

J W Booth assassin
William Booth founder of the Salvation Army
Charles Booth Life and Labour of the People in
London
The code could also be pointing at the years 1865, 1878, 1891.

1865 Abraham Lincoln assassinated.
Oct 18th Lord Palmerston dies and Lord John
Russell becomes Prime Minister.
( another will die )
Dec 10th Leopold I of Belgium dies.

1878 Swan's carbon filament lamp ( lightbulb )
Earliest electric street lighting in London
( electricity )

1891 O Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray
( mentioned in the 1977 film ' Oh, God ! ' )

Now looking for a connection, the words ' delayed ' and ' Libya ' both
include the letters ' l ', ' a ' and ' y '.

delayed anagram lay deed times 3
Libya anagram lay bi times 3

The Little Oxford Dictionary lists the word ' deed ' on page 141. The code could be pointing to words close to
'deed' in the dictionary. Pages 140 and 141 include
the words decipher, declassify, decode, decoy,
deduce and deep.

The name ' Bibi ' is in the code. Times six would round up the numbers to give ' Bibi ' three times. The word
'computer' appears six times in the plain text of the
Bible, hidden within the Hebrew word for ' thought '.
( The Bible Code p.69 )

Booth Libya delayed

th e the
B ib l e Bible

oo L Loo
ya d ay d day day

( See ' Watergate ' )

Tut
Syria's allies are named : ' Persia ' and ' Phut ' , countries that are now called Iran and Libya.
( The Bible Code p.103 )

Libya Phut t
Libya Phut u
Libya Phut t

Nu ( Nut )
' Tunnel ' is encoded with the same skip sequence as
' Holocaust of Israel ', running parallel to it from
Exodus 17 : 2 to Numbers 14 : 36
( The Bible Code p. 193 )
tunnel anagram nut nel
Nu ( or Nut ) was an Egyptian sky goddess
Numbers 14 : 36
1436
1436 AD Fei Hsin, Hsing-cha-sheng-Ian ( Description
of the Star Raft; eye-witness account of
Cheng Ho's voyages )

Moon ( mun )
' Man on Moon ' is encoded from Numbers 19 : 20 to Numbers 27 : 1. 'Spaceship' crosses it, encoded in
Numbers 22 : 2
( The Bible Code p.182 )

A link between Nu and moon
Tunnel Exodus 17 : 2
17 2 in reverse 271
27 : 1
Man on Moon Numbers 27 : 1

Man on Moon Numbers 19 : 20
Numbers 22 : 25
add the chapter numbers together 19 and 22 giving 1922.

1922 AD ( 4th Nov ) Howard Carter, supported by Lord
Carnarvon, discovers the tomb of Pharaoh Tutankhamun at Luxor, the only ancient Egyptian
Pharaoh's tomb discovered complete with grave goods.

Aug 22nd Michael Collins, prime minister of
the Irish provisional government, killed by
Republican ambush in west Cork.

' It will be after the death of the Prime Minister '
( The Bible Code p.184 )

This is referring to the discovery of Tutankhamun's grave not a Third World War. ' The next war' encoded
below 'It will be after....' refers to a war that is
already over.

Tutankhamun anagram Tu tankha mun
tanakh Tu mun

Tanakh
' Bible code ' is encoded again from
Deuteronomy 12 : 11
to Deuteronomy 12 : 17.
The Hebrew word used here for ' Bible ' is ' Tanakh ' which means the entire Old Testament.
( The Bible Code p.194 )

Deuteronomy 12 : 11
Deuteronomy 12 : 17
Adding both chapters together 12 : 12

' Sealed before God ' appears in Deuteronomy 12 : 12
( The Bible Code p.194 )

switching chapter and verse numbers
The position of the skip sequence code of ' Shoemaker-Levy ' is very interesting. ' Shoemaker-Levy ', the name
of the comet that struck Jupiter, is encoded starting at
Genesis 19 : 38 and ending at Genesis 38 : 19.
( The Bible Code p.182 )
The chapter and verse numbers of the start of the encoding, when switched give the ending position
of the encoding, ie chapter and verse in reverse.
The first chapter number is half the numerical value
of the first verse number, this also highlights other
chapter and verse numbers that have a simple
numeric relationship. ' It was made by computer' is
encoded in Exodus 32 : 16 - 17. I believe the
Shoemaker-Levy code is telling us to switch some of the chapter and verse numbers before converting to a Gregorian year.

' Shoemaker-Levy ' to Genesis 38 : 19
switch 38 : 19
1938 AD Adolf Hitler annexes the Sudetenland,
Munich conference.
Kristallnacht ( ' Crystal Night ' ) Jewish
houses, synagogues and schools burn
down. ( fire )
Frank Lloyd Wright, Taliesin West, Phoenix
Arizona, USA.
( Wright )

' Japan ' appears in Leviticus 14 : 18
( The Bible Code p.191 )
switch 14 : 18
1814
1814 AD April 11th Napoleon abdicates unconditionally
and is banished to Elba.
( ' Napoleon ' and ' Elba ' are encoded ,
The Bible Code p.31 )

' Asteroid ' crosses ' dinosaur ' , encoded in Deuteronomy 24 : 19 -21
switch 24 : 19
( The Bible Code p.191 )
1924
1924 AD Jan 21st death of Soviet leader Lenin
Jan 21st in China, Congress of the
Guomindang.
( in China )
June 10th Matteotti body found ( murdered )
de Broglie wave theory - particles can also
act as waves.

' His name is Timothy ' is encoded in Genesis 37 : 12 to
Genesis 37 : 19
switch 37 : 19
( The Bible Code p.188 )
1937
1937 AD May 6th the giant German Airship Hindenburg
explodes ( fire )
July 7th in China, incident at Marco Polo
Bridge
( in China )

' Atomic weapon ' is encoded once in the Book of Isaiah, from
Isaiah 32 : 1 to 65 : 18. ' Jerusalem ' and ' scroll ' and ' he opened it ' all appear in the hidden text of the last
verse, Isaiah 65 : 18. In fact, they overlap each other.
.....the encoding of 'atomic weapon ' is clearly intentional. But in modern Hebrew it would usually be
spelled with one more letter.
( The Bible Code p.189 )

Isaiah 32 : 1
switch 32 : 1
132
132 AD In China, Zhang Heng develops the first
seismograph for indicating the position
of an earthquake centre.
( earthquake )

32 : 1 switched to 1 : 32 leads to the thought about 123 and looking at the various combinations of 65 : 18
switch 65 : 18
1865
1865 AD Abraham Lincoln assassinated by J W Booth.
' Booth ' is highlighted by being in triplicate in
the code.
This grouping of code is has been highlighted by the words overlapping each other with a common ' M ' .
One of the phrases is ' he opened it '. There is thus a link between the two highlighted decoding methods.

various combinations of 1 8 6 5
1568 AD 1586 AD 1856AD

1568 AD March 23th The Treaty of Longjumean ends
the Second War of Religion. ( war )
June 2nd Counts Egmont and Hoorn executed
Nov Slaughter of the Moorish population.
( slaughter )
Dec Three Spanish treasure ships driven
by storm into Plymouth.

John Skelton, Works......

1586 AD July 17th Sir Francis Walsingham succeeds in
unravelling the Babington Plot.
July 21th Thomas Cavendish leaves
Plymouth on a voyage
of circumnavigation, west to east.

1856 AD Britain annexes Oudh. ( annexed )
April 16th Declaration of Paris recognizes
principle of 'free ships , free goods '.
Oct 8th Arrow Incident provokes second
Anglo-Chinese War. ( war )
Richard Burton and John Speke set out to
find the source of the Nile.

There are links here
1568 AD Three ships into Plymouth
1586 AD From Plymouth on a voyage
1856 AD free ships
Arrow Incident ships flying British flag

.....' President ' is Numbers 25 : 18
switch 25 : 18 ( The Bible Code p.187 )
1825
1825 AD Joe Smith, founder of Mormons, claims he
had his vision.
Comte de St.-Simon, Nouveau
Christianisme.
In England, George Stephenson builds the
first public railway.
I Promessi Sposi, Alessandro Manzoni.
Boris Godunov, Aleksandr Pushkin.

' Swift ' is encoded from Leviticus 15 : 19 to Leviticus 23 : 29. The year the comet is predicted to return,
2126, is encoded in Leviticus 24 : 5.
( The Bible Code p.191 )
switch 15 : 19
1915
1915 AD Albert Einstein in Germany proposes his
general theory of relativity which explains
the origin of gravity.
( Einstein )
April 22nd the Western Front,Germans use
poison gas for the first time.
( horror )
April 26th secret Treaty of London.

Leviticus 15 : 19
Leviticus 23 : 29
combining the chapter numbers 15 and 23
1523 AD Titian, Bacchus and Ariadne.
Keyboard music printed in Italy with right-
and left-hand staves and bar lines.

combining the verse numbers 19 and 29.
1929 AD Oct 24th Wall Street Crash
( economic collapse )
Virginia Woolf, A Room of One's Own.
The Listener issued in Britain.

' Comet ' is encoded from Leviticus 18 : 20 to Deuteronomy 27 : 1.
Leviticus 18 : 20
( The Bible Code p.192 )
1820
1820 AD Internal Evidence for the Truth of Revealed
Religion, Thomas Erskine.

combining the chapter numbers 18 and 27
1827
1827 AD John Darby secedes from Church of England
to found Plymouth Brethren.
Joseph Niepce produces photographs.

The year 2012 also appears with ' comet ' , in Deuteronomy 1 : 4.
' Earth annihilated ' appears just above in Exodus 34:10.
But with 2012, also in the hidden text of
Deuteronomy 1 : 4 are the words
' It will be crumbled, I will tear it to pieces '.

switch 34 : 10
1034
1034 AD March 15th death of Mieszko of Poland.
note. March 15th = the Ides of March

Soothsayer Beware the Ides of March.
Caesar He is a dreamer.
Let us leave him now. Pass.
Exeunt

Julius Caesar Act 1 Scene 2 verse 23
William Shakespeare

.......for on that day he should be in great danger.
( Earth annihilated )

' Great earthquake ' is encoded from Exodus 39 : 21 to
Deuteronomy 18 : 17.
switch 18 : 17 ( The Bible Code p.190 )
1718 AD Chinese troops are annihilated by the
Western Mongols.
( annihilated )
Spain founds Pensacola, Florida.
July 21 Peace of Passarowitz.
July 31st ( or Aug 11th ) Spain defeated off Cape
Passaro.

' Har Megiddo ' is encoded from Genesis 44 : 4 to Exodus 10 : 16.
switch 10 : 16
( The Bible Code p.190 )
1610
1610 AD Galileo observes Jupiter's satellites.
( Jupiter )
William Shakespeare, Cymbeline ;
A Winter's Tale ; The Tempest.
( Shakespeare )

' Zedek ' ( Jupiter ) is encoded in Isaiah 26 : 16.
( The Bible Code p.182 )
The date the comet struck the planet, ' 8th Av ' in
Isaiah 26 : 20.
switch 26 : 16
1626 AD Count Mansfeld defeated at the Bridge of
Dessau.

combining the verse numbers 16 and 20.
1620 AD Sept. Pilgrim Fathers leave Plymouth in
the Mayflower.
Neptune and Triton, G. Bernini.

' Watergate ' is encoded from Genesis 28 : 21 to Numbers 19 : 18.
( The Bible Code p.182 )
switch 19 : 18
1819
1819 AD Aug 16th ' Peterloo ' Massacre takes place.

Watergate
to Peterloo
hence Waterloo

delayed Libya Booth the Bible Loo day day

Loo day day the Bible

Aug 16 Peterloo 16 16 16 : 16
Jun 18 Waterloo 18 18 18 : 18

Revelation 16 : 16 Armageddon
Revelation 18 : 18 A sea port

' Watergate ' Numbers 19 : 18
1918
1918 AD Oct 30th Allies sign armistice with Turkey on the warship
Agamemnon at Mudros.
We are making a New World , Paul Nash.
The Twelve , Alexander Blok.

' For everyone, the great terror : fire earthquake ' encoded in Deuteronomy 34 : 12.
switch 34 : 12 ( The Bible Code p.190 )
1234
1234 AD al-Mustansiryah University, Baghdad
founded.

Just above 1234 AD
1233 AD The Complete Book of Chronicles ; abridges al-Tabari's work ( 923 ) and continues Arab history to
1231.

The year 2113 is encoded from Deuteronomy 29 : 24
to Deuteronomy 33 : 14.
switch 2113
1321 in reverse 1231
Arab history to 1231

' China ' appears in Numbers 33 : 12 with ' great earthquake ' .
switch 1233 ( The Bible Code p.191 )
1233 AD See above.

Both ' fire, earthquake ' and ' the big one ' appear in the
hidden text of Deuteronomy 10 :21.
( The Bible Code p.191 )
Just above 1021 AD
1020 AD The Book of Kings ; Persia's national epic.

' Edison ' is encoded from Numbers 14 : 19 to
Numbers 17 : 19.
(The Bible Code p.183 )
17 : 19
1719
1719 AD The American Mercury is issued in
Philadelphia.
( Mercury = messenger )

switch 14 : 19
1914
1914 AD June 28th Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his wife are assassinate at Sarajevo in Bosnia by Gavrilo
Princip.
( assassination )
The Planets, Gustav Holst

Numbers 17 : 19
switch 1917 AD June 14th American Expeditionary Force, commanded by General John J Pershing,
arrives in France.
( missile ie Pershing )

' Ruby ' is encoded in Deuteronomy 2 : 8 with ' Oswald ' and the words ' he will kill the assassin ', which appear
in Numbers 35 : 19.
( The Bible Code p.188 )
switch 35 : 19
1935
1935 AD The 35-mm ' Kodachrome ' film devised.
Credo , Karl Barth.
Murder in the Cathedral , T S Eliot.

Looking up Lee Harvey Oswald in the Huchinson Chronology of World History,Compact Edition the years 1963 and 1964 are present. The assassination of
President Kennedy was on Nov 22nd 1963.

1964 AD Oct 16th China explodes an atomic bomb.
( atomic weapon )
Nov 3rd US elections President Johnson
has a sweeping victory over Barry Goldwater.

The Warren Report into the assassination of President
Kennedy.

( July 31st ) Ranger 7, launched from Cape Kennedy,
succeeds in obtaining close-up photographs
of the Moon's surface before crashing.
( spaceship )

Film Doctor Strangelove ( director, Stanley Kubrick )

Another Oswald in history was Oswald Mosley. In the history book index he is listed with the years
1931, 1932, 1934 and 1936.

Numbers 35 : 19 1935 is between the years Oswald Mosley
is indexed with.

' President Kennedy ' is encoded once in the Bible,
from Genesis 34 : 19 to
Genesis 50 :4.
( The Bible Code p.187 )
switch 34 : 19
1934
1934 AD June 8th Oswald Mosley addresses mass
meeting of Fascists, London
( address )
June 29th The ' Night of the Long Knives' in
Germany. ( Nazi )

A Study of History , Arnold Toynbee.

..Macbeth is also encoded starting in the same verse of the Bible, Leviticus 3 : 13, and ending in
Leviticus 7 : 29
( The Bible Code p.183 )

313 AD Constantine defeats Licinius in Pannonia.
The Edit of Milan.

add a 1, 1313
1313 AD The invention of spectacles.

Leviticus 3 : 13
switch 3 : 13
133 AD no entry for this year
but just above
132 AD Simeon Bar-Cochba leads the Jews in revolt.
In China, Zhang Heng develops the first
seismograph for indicating the position of an
earthquake centre.
( earthquake )

Leviticus 7 : 29
7 29
add a 1, 1729
1729 AD John Wood, Queen's Square, Bath
Jonathan Swift, A Modest Proposal
J S Bach, St. Matthew Passion ( oratorio )

Macbeth anagram bath Mec
Not many single words in the code contain all four letters that spell Bath.The name Bath appears in the
full code quite a lot.

Contents

Introduction
Prime Minister Netanyahu
Third / World War
World War

Triplicate delayed Libya Booth
( anagram the Bible Loo day day )

Tut
Nu ( Nut )
Moon ( mun )
Tutankhamun
Tanakh

switching chapter and verse numbers

Shoemaker-Levy
Japan
Asteroid
His name is Timothy
Atomic weapon ( switch and other variations )
President
Swift
Comet
Earth annihilated
Great earthquake
Har Megiddo
Zedek ( Jupiter )
Watergate
For everyone, the great terror
China
fire earthquake the big one
Edison
Ruby Oswald
President Kennedy
Macbeth

Summary

Atomic weapon --> 132 AD in China --> Oswald -->
--> 1964 China explodes atomic bomb
and film Dr Strangelove

Atomic weapon --> 65 : 18
Watergate --> 1819 Peterloo + triplicate code --> Waterloo -->

-->Revelation
Armageddon
A sea port

Watergate --> 1918 Agamemnon at Mudros

65 : 18 in reverse 81 56
add a 1 181 56 --> 1815 6
Battle of Waterloo 18th June ( sixth month ) 1815 AD.

The Final Battle, Revelation is being associated with the Battle of Waterloo. In 1815 Napoleon was the rider
of the white horse. ( See Revelation ) Is there another
rider of a white horse ? As the number 6 is in the code
ie. 1815 6 , this number is being associated with
The Final Battle referred to in The Revelation to John.
Is this linked to the number of the beast 666 or vice
versa ? Maybe both are part of the code.
As with some chapter and verse numbers 666 ,
add a 1
1666
1666 AD The Great Plague of London
The Great Fire of London
Sir Issac Newton calculates the moon's orbit.

Twist the middle 6 by 180 degrees

In 1696 AD Re-coinage of British silver money is carried out under
John Locke and Sir Isaac Newton.

code unlocked

For everyone a bridge the code

daktaklakpak

05-15-01, 06:46 PM

Who cares if it matches the past well?

It's meaningless if it can't predict the future.

pragmathen

05-15-01, 06:55 PM

Lyndale,

I thought your point about the code containing software programs was quite intriguing. Having taken a few perusals of that Bible Code book that Daniel makes reference to, I've often wondered what would happen should some of that 'order' be transliterated into some kind of a binary system that's recognizable as computer language. It seems entirely possible. I don't really care if some consider it bogus, it would still be rather interesting to see what might happen. Codes intrigue me, whether intentional or otherwise. Hopefully, you'll give us some more information rather than not discussing it further.

daktaklakpak

05-15-01, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by Lyndale
There are more then just hidden codes. The Hebrew language is also software programming...
Lyndale

I have been installing and programming computer for almost 15 years, and frankly, I have no idea what you're talking about.

Corp.Hudson

05-15-01, 10:06 PM

Drosnins book was the biggest piece of horseshit I have ever read. That book had no redeeming value, it was just a series of coincidences (sp.?) that can be found in the Hebrew translation of ANY book, paired with a bad story in which Drosnin tried to make himself the protaganist, when he was really nothing but a third party observer.

Emerald

05-19-01, 11:22 AM

Lyndale,

Originally posted by Lyndale
There are more then just hidden codes. The Hebrew language is also software programming. When the proper information is interred, software disks will start to be displayed. The beginning of learning this is first to find the right words...second, this information will be in the form of vertical strips...third these strips when put together will form complete software disks. I know this sounds crazy, but it is true. The only problem is, there is no interpreter software developed yet. I know I will receive slack from saying all of this...but its true...there are hidden software disks contained in the bible in the form of the Hebrew language. I have found one of the strips that prove this. I will not discuss this further.

Lyndale

It is right for you to be cautious - the troll-hunters have picked up your scent; they're closing in for the kill. It won't be long now... :rolleyes:

This "cloak-and-dagger" routine of yours is getting stale, Lyndale.

Emerald

Emerald

05-19-01, 11:46 AM

Corp,

Originally posted by Corp.Hudson
Drosnins book was the biggest piece of horseshit I have ever read. That book had no redeeming value, it was just a series of coincidences (sp.?) that can be found in the Hebrew translation of ANY book, paired with a bad story in which Drosnin tried to make himself the protaganist, when he was really nothing but a third party observer.

I agree with your point that Drosnin was nothing but a third party observer who sensationalized the findings of Torah scholars, mathematicians and computer scientists. Obviously he was riding on the coattails of others for the purpose of making a name for himself, as well as fattening his own bank account. This had the effect of cheapening the entire theory so that most people will dismiss it out of hand.

There are much better books than Drosnin's if one wants to examine more than just the hype behind the Torah codes. I've read several, but my personal favorite is "Cracking the Bible Code", by Jeffrey Satinover, M.D. Although I don't necessarily agree with all of the author's conclusions, I would still highly recommend this book to anyone who is interested in further exploration of this subject (which I must admit that I find fascinating, myself).

Emerald

Emerald

05-19-01, 03:08 PM

Lyndale,

Originally posted by Lyndale
Is this suppose to be a threat? I have no so called "cloak-and-dagger" routine as you put it.

Uh, no. :confused: I was responding sarcastically to all the drama you like to insert in your posts. You know, comments like, "I will not discuss this further", as if you're being watched by some evil underworld group who will destroy you should you reveal too much of what you are so fond of implying that you know. That's what I mean by "cloak-and-dagger" routine. It's silly and childish - knock it off already. Oh yeah, and I was also suggesting that you are a troll. Just out of curiosity, is English your first language?

Don't you people have better things to do then make threat's and hate remarks? Is this not suppose to be a room that discusses what is post. You go anywhere that I have posted and you'll clearly see that I have never attacked anyone that didn't attack me first.

I guess you're not counting the comments you made about Cris and myself being under demonic influence? I don't believe that any of my remarks to you have been hateful. At least, I have never intended any of my comments to be hateful - I'm sorry if you are such a sensitive soul that that's how you see it. Sarcastic? Okay, maybe a little bit - but hateful? Not even close.

Why don't you people grow-up and start putting that so called intellegence to work doing something usefull like inquiring, asking intellegent questions and usefull comments. Not everyone that comes in here is trying to decieve someone. Not everyone that comes here is trying to attack someone.

No, not everyone is doing those things, Lyndale. You have certainly done those things, but most of us are simply responding honestly to what we read. This is a debate forum, and that's what most of us are here to do. If you don't like the heat, then I suggest you get out of the roasting pan.

Emerald

Tiassa

05-19-01, 08:20 PM

It seems that with some, their first assertion becomes wholly a priori, and everyone reacting to that first assertion is actually enacting some inner madness manifest as hatred toward apparently simple ideas.

A great example of this is detailed by the following hypothetical:

* Mr L asserts that a photograph contains evidence of demons.
* Mr X notes that, in addition to asserting demons, Mr L has also confessed to tampering with the observational process.
* Mr X wonders if that altered observational process might be the cause of the phenomenon perceived as demonic evidence.
* Mr L refuses to discuss the alterations to the observational process, because of commercial concerns.
* Mr L further asserts that the demons have taken control of Mr X
* Thus, Mr L asserts that: 1) A photograph contains demons; 2) That Mr X is under possession of those demons; 3) That the evidence of Mr X's possession is twofold--A) X's disbelief or doubt is evidence of demonic possession, and B) The photographs Mr X disbelieves or doubts are proof of the demons that possess him.

Emerald, you're just so mean. I mean, it's all right here, clear as day. Sure the dots don't connect, and the pieces don't fit together well, but they don't have to, and if you weren't possessed by demons, you'd see that, you silly, evil person you. Never mind that back-engineering existing, proprietary technology is not a viable commercial product; this experiment of unseen method and undemonstrated result conclusively proves that you're among the Legion of Doom.

Wait a minute ... am I saying this with a straight face? Oh, heaven forgive me ... please, Emerald. I didn't mean it, honest. I think the Devil made me say it.

:D

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

Tiassa

05-20-01, 02:35 AM

Lyndale,
THEY SAY:
HEY WHADAYA DOIN' WITH YOUR LIFE
WHY DON'TCHA SETTLE DOWN AND FIND YOURSELF A WIFE
DON'T YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T RUN AWAY FROM HERE
WHEN WILL YOU ACT YOUR AGE, WHY DON'T YOU LISTEN DEAR
I SAY:
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
I'LL NEVER GROW UP NOW
THEY SAY:
YOU BETTER STOP YOUR DREAMIN'
YOU'RE GOIN' NOWHERE FAST
WHAT IF WE THROW YOU OUT
HOW LONG YOU THINK YOU'LL LAST
WHEN WILL YOU GO TO SCHOOL, WHY DON'TCHA GET A JOB
HEY GIRL YOU BETTER SHAPE UP, YOU'RE LOOKIN' LIKE A SLOB
WELL I SAY:
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
I'LL NEVER GROW UP NOW
AND I SAY IT AGAIN
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
I'LL NEVER GROW UP NOW
I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU CAN'T HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING
TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT YOURSELF
WHY DON'TCHA LISTEN TO THE MUSIC WE'RE PLAYING
GO PICK ON SOMEBODY ELSE
THEY SAY:
YOU THINK THAT LIFE'S A FREE RIDE
WELL TAKE A TIP FROM ME
WE'RE GONNA END YOUR PARTY
WITH SOME RESPONSIBILITY
EVERYBODY SAY
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
I'LL NEVER GROW UP NOW
OH I KNOW YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT
EVERYBODY SING
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
GIMME ME MORE
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
GIMME MORE
I'LL NEVER GROW UP NOW
GIMME, GIMME, GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
HEY YOU IN THE BACK
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
YEAH YOU
DON'T JUST STAND THERE SING ALONG
I'LL NEVER GROW UP NOW
EVERYBODY
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
C'MON NOW
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
I'LL NEVER GROW UP NOW
WHOOPEE!
I WANT MY MOTHER
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
WHAT ARE ALL THESE PEOPLE DOIN' IN MY ROOM
I'LL NEVER GROW UP NOW
GET OFF MY BED
HEY WATCH IT YOU'RE CRUSHING MY DRESSER
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
WHAT'S THAT MIDGET DOIN' HERE
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
I'LL NEVER GROW UP NOW

Twisted Sister: "I'll Never Grow Up Now" (Under the Blade)
http://www.acc.umu.se/~adrian/twistedsister/under-the-blade.html#9

--Tiassa :cool:

Daniel

05-20-01, 06:19 AM

Part 1 of post
The opportunity for the Bible code to include
code in puzzle clue and anagram form was
there. There are signs. Some of the code is
brief in describing events and some events
are described using more words than are
needed.

Examples

The Bible Code p. 19 & 182

Watergate
Who is he ? President but he was kicked out

The Bible Code p. 88 & 188

His name is Timothy

McVeigh

I believe the words of the code here
have been chosen so that they can
also be used thus :

Scroll
He opened it
Who is he ?
His name is .....................

Part 2 of post

who is he ? president but he was kicked out
o s e p B h
h p B e s o
who is he ? president but he was kicked out

Scroll
He opened it
Who is he ?
His name is Joseph B............

As reader of this post you have options

i) Believing all I have written
This would not be logical

ii) Keeping an open mind - ' It's possible '
This would be logical

iii) Disbelieving what I have written
This would not be logical

If you disbelieve part 2 of the post this
does not mean you have to automatically
disbelieve part 1 of the post.

Emerald

05-20-01, 12:38 PM

Tiassa,

Originally posted by tiassa
Twisted Sister: "I'll Never Grow Up Now" (Under the Blade)
http://www.acc.umu.se/~adrian/twistedsister/under-the-blade.html#9

Thanks for the inspiration. I'd also like to contribute some lyrics from a song performed by a fellow she-demon:

"Girls Just Want to Have Fun"
Performed by: Cyndi Lauper
Written by: Robert Hazard

I come home in the morning light
my mother says when you gonna live your life right
oh mother dear we're not the fortunate ones
and girls just want to have fun
oh girls just want to have fun

the phone rings in the middle of the night
my father yells what you gonna do with your life
oh daddy dear you know you're still number one
but girls they want to have fun
oh girls just want to have--

that's all they really want
some fun
when the working day is done
girls-- they want to have fun
oh girls just want to have fun

some boys take a beautiful girl
and hide her away from the rest of the world
I want to be the one to walk in the sun
oh girls they want to have fun
oh girls just want to have

that's all they really want
some fun
when the working day is done
girls--they want to have fun
oh girls just want to have fun,
they want to have fun,
they want to have fun...

Emerald :D

Emerald

05-20-01, 01:00 PM

Tiassa,

Originally posted by tiassa
It seems that with some, their first assertion becomes wholly a priori, and everyone reacting to that first assertion is actually enacting some inner madness manifest as hatred toward apparently simple ideas.

A great example of this is detailed by the following hypothetical:

* Mr L asserts that a photograph contains evidence of demons.
* Mr X notes that, in addition to asserting demons, Mr L has also confessed to tampering with the observational process.
* Mr X wonders if that altered observational process might be the cause of the phenomenon perceived as demonic evidence.
* Mr L refuses to discuss the alterations to the observational process, because of commercial concerns.
* Mr L further asserts that the demons have taken control of Mr X
* Thus, Mr L asserts that: 1) A photograph contains demons; 2) That Mr X is under possession of those demons; 3) That the evidence of Mr X's possession is twofold--A) X's disbelief or doubt is evidence of demonic possession, and B) The photographs Mr X disbelieves or doubts are proof of the demons that possess him.

Yeah, I'd say that kind of evidence would fly in a court of law - if the trial was being held in say, Salem, and the year was, oh, 1692, for example.

Emerald, you're just so mean. I mean, it's all right here, clear as day. Sure the dots don't connect, and the pieces don't fit together well, but they don't have to, and if you weren't possessed by demons, you'd see that, you silly, evil person you. Never mind that back-engineering existing, proprietary technology is not a viable commercial product; this experiment of unseen method and undemonstrated result conclusively proves that you're among the Legion of Doom.

Just doing what the Master orders. ;)

Wait a minute ... am I saying this with a straight face? Oh, heaven forgive me ... please, Emerald. I didn't mean it, honest. I think the Devil made me say it.

Not to worry, Tiassa - I knew that bulge in your cheek was your tongue all along. ;)

Emerald

Daniel

05-22-01, 12:25 PM

Some of the Bible code is concise and brief
eg. Wright Brothers Airplane
Edison Electricity Lightbulb

other code is not

Watergate Nixon
Who is he ? President but he was kicked out.

Shakespeare Hamlet Macbeth
presented on stage

The code uses both names of the planet Jupiter,
Jupiter and Zedek. Maybe an extra ' z' or ' k '
was needed for a part of the Bible code
we have not seen yet ie.an anagram or puzzle.

Rembrandt Dutch painter
Picasso the artist

Why is one described as a painter and the
other an artist ?

Shakespeare Hamlet Macbeth
presented on stage

Why are two plays mentioned when with the
great artists and musicians none of their
work was named ( The Bible code page 31) ?
Why is ' presented on stage ' included ?

Hamlet was presented on stage in 1603 AD
Macbeth was presented on stage in 1605 AD

The code could be pointing to the year
inbetween the two plays encoded, ie.1604 AD.

In 1604 AD a supernova observable by the
naked eye occurred. The next supernova
observable by the naked eye ( ie without
a telescope ) was not until 1987 AD, over
300 years later, hence not a common
occurrence.

also in 1604 AD Johannes Kepler publishes
Optics, which describes how the eye
focuses light.

The supernova could be acting as a marker
indicating there is code here and the code is
not just pointing to the year inbetween the
two plays Hamlet and Macbeth but also
the years inbetween the other
Shakespearean plays being
presented on stage.

1605 AD Macbeth
1606 AD
1607 AD
1608 AD King Lear, Coriolanus.
1609 AD
1610 AD Cymbeline ; A Winter's Tale ;
The Tempest.

The books published in these years were

1606 AD
Joseph Scaliger, Thesaurus Temporum
1607 AD
Ben Jonson, The Fox
Cyril Tourneur, The Revenger's Tragedy
Honore D ' Urfe, Astee, part 1
( completed by 1627 by Baro )
1609 AD
Johann Kepler, De Motibus Stella Martis
G de la Vega, History of the Conquest
of Peru

Edison Lightbulb Electricity

Lightbulb
1880 AD Edison and Swan independently
make the first practical electric light.
Electricity
1882 AD Edison's generating station at Pearl
Street, NY and first hydro-electric
plant at Appleton, Wisconsin.

The year inbetween these two years the
code could be highlighting is 1881 AD.
1881 AD Louis Pasteur attenuates anthrax
virus to produce a vaccine.
( anthrax = horror )

Some parts of the code point to years
in history and some of the encoded
phrases of the code act like
markers. A multi-layered code.

Lyndale
When you say software disks
do you mean of a form similar to
MSDOS format
ie. File Allocation Table
Data area
etc. ?

Daktaklakpak
Analysis of the position of the Bible
code being part of the code and other
code such as anagrams etc. within the
words should be included in the
statistical analysis of the Bible code
and could totally varify the Bible code
scientifically.
Who cares if it matches the past well?
Anyone worried that the Bible code
predicts a Third World War etc.

Corp. Hudson
Disquised Code in Drosnin's code
sent 15 / 5 / 2001 10:33pm
your post
sent 16 / 5 / 2001 4 :06am

Less than 6 hours to analysis
my work and include it in your
new assessment of Michael
Drosnin's book.

daktaklakpak

05-22-01, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by Daniel

Anyone worried that the Bible code
predicts a Third World War etc.

Our genetic make up limit our ability to foresee events that will happen in the next 2 or more generations. In another words, we generally don't care stuff that will happen for our grand grand children. Our mind is not designed to comprehend that kind of information/imagination. So the world war prediction should better be quick.

BTW, if by the date there is no WWIII, you could interpret it as "we prevented it because we knew it." If it happens, you could say "I told you." So the prediction is generally BS anyway.

Daniel

05-22-01, 05:22 PM

' World War ' was encoded with ( but
not crossing ) ' in 5760 ' and ' in 5766 ',
ie. the years 2000 and 2006.
( The Bible Code p.94 & p.189 )

I believe the Bible code and other code
is amazingly more extensive than many
people believe to date, note ' He encoded
the Torah, and more '.
God could have placed an advanced
numerical code in astronomical data.
This part of The Code could include or
point to an aids cure, note the
Bibledecoder website / Research pages
claims that the following code has been
found :
Aids / cure / space

As with the basic part of an operating system,
once loaded into memory it can then load
in more complex code, so to with a code
from God. A Bible code that includes use of
other books ( including Nostradamus ) could
provide more complex decoding techniques,
new code markers etc. The number 666 could
already be a code marker. Note. Aphelion
Distance( A.U ) of the planet Mars is 1.666.

About myself
I have a science background , electrical and
electronic engineering and believe my
scientific analysis skills are good.

Tiassa

05-22-01, 06:37 PM

As with the basic part of an operating system,
once loaded into memory it can then load
in more complex code, so to with a code
from God. A Bible code that includes use of
other books ( including Nostradamus ) could
provide more complex decoding techniques,
new code markers etc. The number 666 could
already be a code marker. Note. Aphelion
Distance( A.U ) of the planet Mars is 1.666.
Of the OS analogy, I'll leave out questions of firmware and networking. Those can come later, if necessary.

Rather, though, it seems that you're asserting that God's knowledge is so complete that he knew in advance what we would call a certain distance, and what that distance would be. An astronomical unit is a relevant, yet still arbitrary declaration of distance. For the Martian aphelion to be significant, there must therefore be a relation between actual distance and all the labels we've applied to those distances until we figured the distance from Sol to Terra and called it an AU.

I have no objection with something that has Perfect Knowledge having this particular knowledge. This is part of that perfection. But for God's mysterious ways to be so subtly intentional, and apparently so blatant that I'm surprised we need a Bible, much less a Bible code, to tell us these things, really does punch a hole in much of the modern theology and resultant faith constructions of Christianity, past or present.

Think about it: God knows full well what a certain distance is, and that humans will find it significant; furthermore, God devises his universe so that this distance will act as a theological signpost on the road to deliverance. And this is where I hit the curious contradictions of God.

In another post I mentioned those of faith who would suspend your civil rights at the ballot box in an act of Christian love, yet would walk by an outstretched, hungry hand on the street without a blink of conscience.

What's more important to God, then? That Mars is a signpost to redemption, or that we treat the least of our brethren--and therefore God itself--properly? It's a very exacting Universe, with much design effort, if one merely intends base, sloppy execution. The only hidden messages in the Bible would be carefully placed by Hebrew scribes in the OT; scholars--particularly mathematicians--would have located these by now because computers can calculate finite sums quickly enough.

And there's another issue with this Bible code: as I recall, there are 22 consonants with four final consonants in the Hebrew alphabet. How many characters are employed in the telling of the OT? How many prophetic words have been extracted? (W) What is that ratio, compared to the potential? (P) How many equations, permutations, algorithms, &c. can you lay over the text before you run out of combinations of words? (E) It would seem to me that you're running an exponential figure here that reflects W/P as a ratio related to E. I am, admittedly, having difficulty writing this equation. (I'm not sure all factors have been accounted yet.)

What I'm after here is that I'm not sure the extraction of anything but a coherent discourse from God will suffice to demonstrate the authenticity of what appears to be theological fancy. 26 letters repeated in a finite number of combinations, the total number of letters in the Old Testament, and the total number of equations you can ask a computer to scan by. If they pull a hundred-thousand suspect words from the Judaic Junior Jumble of OT codes, they still have achieved a minute fraction of the potential of the whole. Consider this: If I dump three cans of alphabet soup into a pot, stick my spoon in (for this probability can be described by much better mathematicians than I) and, in one spoonful, receive the word "Jesus", have I enjoyed a miracle or witnessed a demonstration of probability? What is the difference of probability, then, that I would pull out the five characters spelling, "Joint"? (Yes, I realize that you must account for one repeated letter; it changes the probability minutely compared to the greater illustration.)

If you extract "Jesus loves me" from textual code, you have achieved no greater miracle than if you extract "Xyznz amgyz jy". The probability of finding a string of relevant characters is exactly equal to the probability of finding a string of unintelligible nonsense; until you start tweaking the probability calculations and exscinding data in order to cause a favorable outcome.

I am always curious about those people of faith who dedicate their careers to being pseudo-scientists in order to achieve a measure of fame on behalf of a God they choose to disrespect by making such trivialities of the faith. The search for empowerment through Bible code is a desperate attempt to bolster the faithfuls' perspective of the credibility of their faith. Unfortunately, it's pointing out to the rest of the world just how anemic that credibility is.

And all that from the Martian aphelion. If science stumbles onto God, believe me, we'd all hear about it. If pseudo-science, seeking God, finds God, well, that's expected, and merely the fulfillment of a fantasy with greater fantasy.

I will, however, tell the next person that asks me for money on the street to take comfort, for Jesus says that the cure for AIDS is coming from Stavromula Beta. ;)

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

daktaklakpak

05-22-01, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by Daniel
As with the basic part of an operating system,
once loaded into memory it can then load
in more complex code, so to with a code
from God. A Bible code that includes use of
other books ( including Nostradamus ) could
provide more complex decoding techniques,
new code markers etc. The number 666 could
already be a code marker. Note. Aphelion
Distance( A.U ) of the planet Mars is 1.666.

About myself
I have a science background , electrical and
electronic engineering and believe my
scientific analysis skills are good.

You science background should tell you that 1.666AU is just a number that easy for normal human to remember. It's not the exact distance. And Mars orbit is not a perfect circle. How could you so sure that 1.666 is not 1.6661 or 1.666233512 or even 1.6658324?

Deadwood

05-23-01, 08:36 AM

I myself have also researched the bible code. I have the book and have pretty much read it. I also had the bible code on my computer at one stage, but couldn't really understand it,since I don't know ancient Hebrew.

I myself believe the bible code to be incorrect.

First of all, lets look at the obvious contradictions. Over ten times in the bible code it says Jesus is the messiah.
Also, it says, over ten times Jesus is not the messiah. In Drosnins book, he only states the code Jesus is the messiah. The truth can not contradict.

Now if Drosnin actually believed in the bible code, as according to his book he would be Christian. However, he is a new age. He basically used this code as stated before for his own pocket, not for the working of God's glory.

Also, Drosnin made a gamble with another person (I forget who) that if he could find these codes in Moby Dick he would concede that the bible code is not true. Guess what, Drosnin lost the bet. Even Moby Dick proclaims that Jesus is and is not the messiah.

Daniel Remember, the truth can not contradict.

Also, Tiassa, what do you mean at the ballot box. I've heard you say that but never really been sure what ballot box means. Prehaps this could be explored in another topic?

Daniel

05-23-01, 01:36 PM

The question is : -
" Is the code there or not ? "

The existance of a code can be examined scientifically.
The new work I have submitted needs to be analysied
scientifically. It would be bad science to predict the
outcome of that investigation by including views about
the nature of God or the apparent level of some believers'
understanding of the Christian philosophy.
If the code is there ( I believe it is ) then God thought
the reason for its existance was good enough. Maybe
the code exists because someone ( the encoder ) asked
for a code, " ask and you shall receive ".
The scientific verification of a much larger Bible code that
includes anagrams, puzzle clues, skip sequence code
within some of the skip sequence code and pointers to
code elsewhere would overshaddow the probability
debate about extraction of skip sequence code from the
Hebrew version of the Torah / Bible.

I believe we live in a universe with a built-in code,
ie the physical universe designed with the code
incorporated.
- Kepler's Laws
- Chemical elements ie. electronic configurations
the Periodic table
- radio frequencies

The distance between the Earth and the Sun
the number 92 ia a major number in The Code.

Michael Drosnin's book ' The Bible Code ' was published
in 1997. The discovery and verification this year of a
larger code which
- proves God exists
- proves Christianity is the true faith
- and more
would be of great benefit to the human race making the
World a more caring place and hopefully helping people
before they become homeless or in despair.

Many people have not been brought up with Christianity
and for them a 100% verified code would help them.

At present I am working full-time on the code, I am in a
financial position to do this. I do not charge and do not
intend to charge for my work. I have nearly completed
a book about life-skills which I intend to make available
free-of-charge. This book may bring some fame or
attention so I am in the position that I am probably
delaying fame for the Bible code. If the code is there
( and I believe it is ) how can looking for the code be
disrespectful to God.

quote
" If science stumbles onto God, believe me, we'd all
hear about it. "

The internet may be the first place that someone who
has found something places their work. The time
between this and professional codebreakers evaluating
the work could be dependent on the initial readers of
that work. So if anyone reading this wishes to draw
my work to the attention of scientists / codebreakers
I would greatly appreciate it.

Daktaklakpak
God knows the future. God knows possible
knock-on effects on the future. There is a concept
of time that we do not understand yet. God knows
the detail of what we see as the future as if it has
already happened.
God knew which number would be used.
As long as the number works as a marker that
is what matters, whether there are digits after
the number 666 or even if the number had to be
rounded up does not stop it working as a marker.
Generally code for a computer needs to be precise.
A code that transmits information to people just
needs to do that job, sometimes it does not have to
be precise or pretty.

Corp. Hudson
My response to your reply was not made with any
ill-feeling, I hope it did not come across that way. I
found your comments amusing.

Deadwood
Michael Drosnin did not consider God may have put
code in the book ' Moby Dick ' . The writer of Moby Dick
working under God's influence. Michael Drosnin is a
reporter not a scientist. Some of what he may say may
not be accurate but that would not mean the code in
his book is not. Don't be put off easily there may
be good reasons to keep people guessing.
Have you ever considered that the encoder is also
a wind-up artist? I am working on line so may give a
fuller reply later.

I submitted a thread called ' Joseph the encoder '
started 7th March 2001. I stand by everything I wrote
in those posts. Please try to take apart the theory if
you can.

In debate people's views get questioned. What I write
is not intended to upset anyone. True Christianity is
about love and care for one another.

daktaklakpak

05-23-01, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by Daniel
God knows the future. God knows possible
knock-on effects on the future. There is a concept
of time that we do not understand yet. God knows
the detail of what we see as the future as if it has
already happened.

I knew the future, and I can predict it with 100% accuracy. However, if I tell you the future, my action will have an impact effect on the future I am telling. This might or might not change the future I am predicting. To ensure 100% accuracy, I can write the future down in an encoded format. Then after the future becomes the past, you can decode the message and see it as 100% matched.

How is that sounded?

God knew which number would be used.
As long as the number works as a marker that
is what matters, whether there are digits after
the number 666 or even if the number had to be
rounded up does not stop it working as a marker.
Generally code for a computer needs to be precise.
A code that transmits information to people just
needs to do that job, sometimes it does not have to
be precise or pretty.

Although human brain is well known for fault tolerance, imprecise information is the root cause of many famous accidents.

Tiassa

05-23-01, 06:39 PM

Also, Tiassa, what do you mean at the ballot box. I've heard you say that but never really been sure what ballot box means. Prehaps this could be explored in another topic?It's a simple idea best expressed by Lysander Spooner, that if the Moralists would look to their own affairs, they would find that they have great work to do at home. In the long run, yes, we can expect a topic on it at some point, but I have before thought to have this notion nailed down, only to find myself unable to communicate it.

A common experience: Walking down the street you may or may not pass change along to the panhandlers seeking a meal or perhaps the satisfaction of vice. A distinction of conduct exists 'twixt Christians and "other people" in a certain sense. The absolute morality or immorality of either giving change or not to a panhandler is equal for all people; but those who choose to adopt Jesus' blood as their crest and standard have willingly accepted additional moral burdens. By the choice of Christianity, to not pass some change, a smoke, an apple, or whatnot along to these outstretched, hungry hands is to imperil the Christian salvation (Matthew 25; whatsoever you do to the least of my brethren ...).

Perhaps as an inner response to guilt, these failing faithful often begin to first externalize their fear--that is, project its fearsome attributes onto something worldly--and then enact a desperate ploy for salvation through the brutalization of the externalized fear.

You know, Shoot 'em Down by Twisted Sister has never made me want to walk into a roomful of churchies and "shoot them down with the f---ing gun". Yet for this baseless fear, the album the song was on was banned from sale in the US. The whole of the censorship movement in the 1980's looked like this. Reagan apparently wouldn't say the words, "AIDS" or "HIV", and locked his surgeon-general into policy that promised only to augment the HIV crisis; our government sold weapons to our enemies in order to buy drugs to sell on the streets to Americans; warfare became the standard ambition of American society. And yet, strangely, these problems were apparently caused by musicians. Or gay people. Sometimes both. Maybe a photographer in Cincinnati.

Protested books, banned albums, felonious photographs. How many people ever actually saw Serannos' (I believe was his name) Piss Christ? There was more Freudian dysfunction at play in the Frohnmeyer hearings for the NEA than can be described. Senators were demanding the criminalization of things they could not pronounce, and of words they were incapable of reading.

A friend of mine further notes the political decision (by a California actor turned politician) to release psychiatric patients from federal institutions. Anyone wonder why we have so many homeless? It was an act of love to send these people forth without food, shelter, or compassionate families to care for them, and then to criminalize them for living on the street.

What was the result of the 1980s Drug War? Statistics note that per-household use of drugs was on the decline when Reagan took office; furthermore, the statistics noted that while drug use was declining, more and more arrests were taking place. Propaganda spread, creating all sorts of myth and misinformation. The result of this has been a travesty: 1995 DoJ statistics show that of 2,400 people prosecuted under the federal crack cocaine sentencing standard (100 times more aggressive than powdered cocaine, despite the fact that the drugs are chemically identical), eleven were not black, and three were white. Same-year stats from over at HHS assert that 65% of the nation's crack smokers are white.

It is such that the police force in my own town is now under pressure for targeting blacks in the Drug War. Women are victimized in ridiculous judicial dog-and-pony shows. The inability of European-descended culture to handle their intoxicants has resulted in the widespread suspension of the right of personal conduct, and a wholesale abandonment of judicial due process. (In what other legal structure do we find such a de facto assumption of guilt, and a burden of proof upon the accused?)

Never should we measure an effort solely by its intent. A consideration of the consequential weight of failure is imperative: Prohibition of alcohol was repealed because the result of prohibition was less desirable than an alcoholic society.

I understand compassion; I understand the compulsion to piety. But if one's Christian compassion and piety motivated someone to act on behalf of the whole society, should not that piety and compassion strive toward a pious and compassionate goal? To wit: Having recently dissolved my last conjugal relationship, I can say that had someone told me when I was 18 that my standards would lead me to the state of this last relationship, I would have been horrified and offended. In a like manner, as one goes forward with pious compassion to save, redeem, or otherwise influence another soul in the name of Christ, should not that pious and compassionate one seek a pious and compassionate result? It sounds good: Just say no to drugs. Would one, however, vote to Suspend Constitutional liberty; focus police action against gender and racial distinctions; create a growth-industry for human incarceration; lie, lie, and lie some more; demand that the downtrodden declare themselves guilty of imprisonable felonies before achieving help breaking their addictions ...? Would one seeking to create a pious and compassionate society vote to reduce bedspace to house sexual and child predators in order to house more potheads?

And the 1990s brought a new campaign against sexuality. Neurotically obsessed people, in the name of religion, throw holy gasoline on the fires of a perceived crisis in order to extinguish it. Sure, reducing teen pregnancy sounds good. But would one vote to Educate children with falsehoods; deny protection against bad decisions; frighten children into sexual bondage (marriage has been accused of being legalized prostitution by some of our most left-leaning feminists, and with reasonable rhetorical data); encourage children to submit to sexual acts they do not desire (essentially, encourage children to submit to rape); endanger children's health; and ultimately increase the child-pregnancy rate?

We have tried, as a culture, to blame all manner of ideas for sexual "immorality" among youth. Music, television and movies, books. Teachers, politicians .... These parents who insist that it is the responsibility of the family to teach sexuality also do an intentionally poor job of it. Children grow up paranoid of displaying their bodies; they make the flesh a tool of rebellion. I point to Spooner again, who noted that those parents who would keep their children ignorant of vice in order to protect their virtue are, in fact, practicing coercion:The attempts of parents to make their children virtuous generally little else than attempts to keep them in ignorance of vice. They are little else than attempts to teach their children to know and prefer truth, by keeping them in ignorance of falsehood. They are little else than attempts to make them seek and appreciate health, by keeping them in ignorance of disease, and of everything that will cause disease. They are little else than attempts to make their children love the light, by keeping them in ignorance of darkness. In short, they are little else than attempts to make their children happy, by keeping them in ignorance of everything that causes them unhappiness. (Vices Are Not Crimes, Lysander Spooner, 1875)And then there is the issue of homosexuality. In the most recent OCA measure, sponsors noted that homosexuality was a "divisive issue" that therefore had no place in the classroom. As I noted to Bowser in our long debate last autumn, it is entirely possible that the notion of homosexuality is so divisive in Oregon because a cadre of religious zealots ask Oregonians to vote on the legality of homosexuality every damn year. I'm sorry, but homosexuality has existed since the beginning of humanity, at least. We see it in primates and other mammals as well. Are these zealots seriously telling me that society will be better off without homosexuals? That teen pregnancy and sexual immorality among youth will disappear? So far, that seems to be the assertion. Yet as the culture continues to alienate homosexuality on many levels, the same Christians who feel poorly about perceived "anti-Christian" sentiments in society cannot extend their compassion to other human beings long enough to realize that the most part of the alienation a homosexual might feel comes from anti-gay sentiments in society. Perhaps if the gay-haters stopped hating gays, the gays would not be on the defensive, and subject to the massive concerns of being in the closet and feeling compelled to lie to one's family.

Christianity has abused the political system in the name of securing its "rights". It is not about the preservation of Christian tradition, but about the authority of Christian dogma. It is not about salvation, but about dominion. And all of this in an effort to glorify God and make the world a better place for you and me.

Personally, I think a little bit of human empathy, or the change in your pocket, or even a cigarette, can start that process of spreading kindness. The other factor there is to do it genuinely; when I give to a homeless person, it's as a favor 'twixt humans. It is not charity. It is not "helping out." Rather, it is, "Yeah, actually I do have fifty cents." Or, "No you don't need to pay me for a cigarette." Sometimes something simpler works: Beautiful day today. How about those Mariners? To give this infinitesimal degree of oneself is really as simple as choosing not to hate someone simply because they're not you.

And even I stroll past an outstretched hand sometimes. And even I will look away, when my heart cannot carry the burden for a day. But two things separate me from what my experience tells me about Christians:

* When I do pass that hand without giving, I do not, as I have heard so many people do in my lifetime, criticize the wretched state of the least of my brethren whom I have refused.

* I have no doctrinal obligation toward anyone to the degree that Matthew 25 sets out.

This is part of the reason why I am not a Christian: it lets me do more positive work in the world.

Thus I submit, as an answer to the question at hand, an excerpt from the paragraph following my reference to the ballot box: What's more important to God, then? That Mars is a signpost to redemption, or that we treat the least of our brethren--and therefore God itself--properly?

It's all in the context.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

Edit: contextual changes from typo; removal of the word not in relation of statistics.

Daniel

05-24-01, 11:52 AM

There is a lot of code that has not been seen yet. A
prediction in advance of an event that will happen may
be waiting for us in the near future. A reliable
earthquake prediction system would be very useful to
us. The accuracy issue you have mentioned in code we
have not seen yet of events to happen could be handled
by
event x will happen unless action y is taken.

Example
An earthquake will occur at place A on date B,
many will die unless they are evacuated.

behind the scenes work
One of the evacuated people will go on to become
a mass murderer unless a " chance meeting " with
an old friend changes their outlook on life.
The " chance meeting " will be arranged by God by
the influencing of someone's or some people's
non-moral decision(s).

God knows the minds of the people who will be decoding
the code. How they think and there attention to detail
etc. God knows the future and possible future so He
knows how code would be interpreted. The code can be
encoded ' taylor-made' so that it will be decoded
correctly, an 'error correction ' system second to none.

Code can de designed so that, as in the film BAT *21,
it can be decoded by certain individuals and not others,
personal code branches. The key to this code could be
a previous event in someone's life that means
something to them but not others.

Tiassa

05-24-01, 03:03 PM

is this: Should Bible "code" be deemed to be true, and there are additional clues from God encrypted in the text, doesn't that shoot the feet from under the Christian claim that God is accessible to all? In addition to reading, you now need to employ mathematical processes which were not recognized or practiced--and therefore did not exist in any practical terms--at the time of the writing of the various books of the Bible?

I mean, how many Christians at Sciforums alone have claimed that the Bible is clearly defined with a simple message? Theoretical mathematics is simple for the common superstitious dolt?

Also, I am curious about this, which I extract from my 5/23 post in this topic. Even a citation from Drosnin's introduction or text will suffice, but I am wondering why nobody's considering: What I'm after here is that I'm not sure the extraction of anything but a coherent discourse from God will suffice to demonstrate the authenticity of what appears to be theological fancy. 26 letters repeated in a finite number of combinations, the total number of letters in the Old Testament, and the total number of equations you can ask a computer to scan by. If they pull a hundred-thousand suspect words from the Judaic Junior Jumble of OT codes, they still have achieved a minute fraction of the potential of the whole. Consider this: If I dump three cans of alphabet soup into a pot, stick my spoon in (for this probability can be described by much better mathematicians than I) and, in one spoonful, receive the word "Jesus", have I enjoyed a miracle or witnessed a demonstration of probability? What is the difference of probability, then, that I would pull out the five characters spelling, "Joint"? (Yes, I realize that you must account for one repeated letter; it changes the probability minutely compared to the greater illustration.)

If you extract "Jesus loves me" from textual code, you have achieved no greater miracle than if you extract "Xyznz amgyz jy". The probability of finding a string of relevant characters is exactly equal to the probability of finding a string of unintelligible nonsense; until you start tweaking the probability calculations and exscinding data in order to cause a favorable outcome.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

Tiassa

05-24-01, 06:15 PM

Code can de designed so that, as in the film BAT *21, it can be decoded by certain individuals and not others, personal code branches. The key to this code could be a previous event in someone's life that means
something to them but not others. This seems to present the possibility that God designed some people so that they will never be able to interpret the code, and never receive the fullness of his word.

And they will be punished for this failure?

thanx,
TIassa :cool:

daktaklakpak

05-24-01, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by Daniel
God knows the minds of the people who will be decoding
the code. How they think and there attention to detail
etc. God knows the future and possible future so He
knows how code would be interpreted. The code can be
encoded ' taylor-made' so that it will be decoded
correctly, an 'error correction ' system second to none.

Code can de designed so that, as in the film BAT *21,
it can be decoded by certain individuals and not others,
personal code branches. The key to this code could be
a previous event in someone's life that means
something to them but not others.

Does the code exist in old bible? Does the code exist in new bible? Is the code preserved across all translations? Also, why all the decoded examples were the events that occurred in Europe and North America? What about other continents? Is it because the code is hiding so deep that you can't find it?

Cris

05-24-01, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by tiassa
This seems to present the possibility that God designed some people so that they will never be able to interpret the code, and never receive the fullness of his word.

Yup looks like only mathematicians and those with powerful computers will be the ones to inherit the world. See I always knew I was going to live forever. :)

Daniel

05-25-01, 04:21 PM

The personal code branches I suggested would not be the bulk of the Code. The purpose of these branches would be to provide information ( not initially for the public release )of a sensitive nature possible that would help in someone's healing. This would not neccessarily mean it would aways be keep from the public eye, maybe once the person was ready the code could be released. I have already come across this and if I keep that information from the public it will be to protect others. There is a massive amount of code ready to be uncovered so I do not think people will feel left out. By influencing non-moral decisions all though history all sorts of mediums contain code. Lyndale stated the Hebrew language. I state the English language, some names of places, planets, stars, constellations, books, streets, people etc. I believe billions of non-moral decisions have been influenced. The Code is for everyone. It is designed to reach out into people's hobbies, interests etc. Up to now the Code may have seemed to be for people with some academic ability. It is also for people who are not academic. Anyboby's non-moral decisions can be influenced. This includes the people who choose props for films. On those props are sometimes numbers. God can influence which pan shots, locations, numbers at locations eg. house numbers, numbers used in scripts and the scripts themselves, vehicle numbers eg. road vehicles, airplanes,boats. Code can be used to give a new meaning on top of the one in films, this can include humour. ' Field of Dreams ' and 'Apocalypse Now ' contain code. Reminder to readers - I am an electronics engineer. ps. I do not take hallucinogenic drugs of any kind.
More information about myself
I am the seventh child in a large Catholic family. In September 1974 I started attending a Grammar school run by Christian Brothers little knowing that gratuitious violence was part of the curriculum. Experiences in class 2B were a foundation for a Multiple Personality Disorder which took hold by the 4th or 5th year. During some stage in the latter part of the 1970's, in a school, where for me, logic appeared to be turned on its head and in a classroom with a crucifix on the wall, a Bible in my desk and a will to communicate with God I came up with the idea, prompted by the number of the beast 666, to use code. This idea, the knowledge and development of it has been stored within a personality, 'the philosopher ', for over two decades. After studying science A' levels I was in and out of work for four years until moving into a bedsit in June 1986 and starting an engineering course in September 1986. After the course, in the summer of 1989 I received counselling. Luckily for the Code development I kept the bedsit and in the spring and summer of 1990 I experienced a whole series of psychological attacks. Nearly as soon as each attack started and finished there was a personality change which made it very difficult to get away and stay away. The encoding done in 1990 was substantial. The room number of that bedsit was 8. I left that house ( house number 92 ) in November 1990. An example of the degree of memory problem, I returned to that house of bedsits, room 6 this time, in 1991. Going by what I remember now the attacks / battle was nowhere near the severity of 1990. I finally left that house in the Autumn ( fall ) of 1992 and have been living back at home ever since. My healing has gone well. In Feburary 1997 I started going though an experience which at times must have looked similar to a mix of Schizophenia and an Anxiety disorder. It was a mixture of real and false memories returning with feelings of regrets, anxiety, fear etc. By working though this in the summer of 2000 memories of encoding returned to me. I began decoding the disguised code in Michael Drosnin's book that summer and have been decoding and posting on the internet since. I chose the internet as I am still experiencing flashback of violence and very mild, intermittent anxiety. The Apocalypse is a code which includes details of attacks on me, a story that has been turned into a drama-comedy. The Final Battle referred to in The Revelation to John is about bedsit Room 6, Armageddon. Symbolic and exaggerated language has been used as cover and for healing.
You have just seen a small amount of code so far.The Code does intentionally include literature and events from China, Russia, the Arab World, South America etc. The encoded quote to represent the moon landing is also to be used to represent the Code, ' Done by mankind, done by a man '. ( The Bible Code p.20 )

The history book I am using, which has been influenced by God, does have a bias towards Western history. My survival and fight against evil acts was greatly assisted by influences of both World Wars and also Vietnam war films. The quote in the film Platoon " a grunt can take anything " was of great help. The North American quote " In God we trust " was also a great help in my Christian soldiering. The Great Britain / North American special relationship is strong in this story as well as other international connections. A world code.

God is accessible to all. The bulk of the Code will be decoded and distributed freely. Much of the Code is fairly easy to understand
Example autobus a u tob us
a you 2B us

Some code is designed with neat tricks, to be fun to decode.

For proper statistical analysis of Michael Drosnin's code now my work should be included. So in relation to what you said about cans of beans I would say the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

With regard to Daktaklakpak's point the question could be changed to " where isn't there code ?" I have seen code in the plain text of the Bible a lot. Although I am the encoder I do not know all the code that is out there but I do have the key to the Code, decoding is ongoing.

Chris
What about people with slide-rules ?
Flight of the Phoenix
" The men with the slide-rules and computers will inherit the Earth. "

whO iS hE ? President, but He was kicked out
O S E P H
resident ?

Another piece of the Bible code which could provide more code
is " five futures, five roads ". The Bible code has illustrated God
knows the future in all its detail. This includes everything including
names of films.

There are a series of films starring Bob Hope and Bing Crosby,
seven in all.
Road to Singapore 1940
Road to Zanzibar 1941
Road to Morocco 1942
Road to Utopia 1945
Road to Rio 1947
Road to Bali 1952
Road to Hong Kong 1961

The code may have used the method of naming Shakespearean plays
to highlight years when no play was presented. Using a similar principle
' five roads ' code could be highlighting the names of two of the " Roads.. "
films. Seven roads minus ' five roads ' = two roads.

The two " Roads.. " the code could be pointing to are :-
1) Road to Utopia
2) Road to Zanzibar

Joseph Bar.....
See also ' presented on stage ' code
Baro ( 1607 AD )
Barents ( 1596 AD )

Einstein science
They prophesied a brainy person
a new and excellent understanding
He overturned present reality
theory of relativity
Add a fifth part

For the builders Add a fifth part --> concrete
con crete
con science

crete Many years in history book index, last one 1908

1908 AD Hermann Minkowski elaborates four-dimensional geometry,
the mathematics of relativity.

God gave us freewill. God lets us choose between right and wrong ie. moral
decisions. God's power is great. God has the power to influence all our
decisions, He choose not to influence our moral decisions. God has not said
that He will not influence our non-moral decisions. God has been
influencing a great number of non-moral decisions of many people
throughout history, including writers ie. the titles of books and when the books
were published.

a few more comparisons

Sealed before God Deuteronomy 12 : 12
1212
1212 AD Parzival ( Middle High German epic on the Grail theme )

for you the hidden secrets Daniel 11 : 40
1140
1140 AD The St. Gothard Pass now open as a
commercial route; a bridge had been made.
(* the code is a bridge *)
Ode to Zion; Hebrew poem
Kitab al- Khazari ( dialogue in Arabic defending
revealed religion from philosophy )

The same word that means ' code ' also is a verb, so the full phrase
can also be read, ' He encoded the Torah, and more'. The additional
words ' and more ' appear in Numbers 20 : 20 to Deuteronomy 28 :8.
( The Bible Code p.194 )
Numbers 20 : 20
The numbers 20 , 20 are often connected to the word ' vision'.
20 / 20 vision

God knows the future in all its detail. God knew along time ago I would
write this piece of work, including the following. Would God put code
where I am about to suggest if it was not going to be there because of
another reason ? Maybe.

A = 1, B = 2, C = 3, D = 4, E = 5, F = 6, G = 7, O = 0 etc.
GOD
704
Add a 1 1704

1704 AD Sir Issac Newton publishes Optics, which defends the corpuscular theory of light.
Beau Nash becomes master of ceremonies at Bath.

Jonathan Swift, A Tale of a Tub and The Battle of the Books

' Swift ' is encoded from Leviticus 15 : 19 to Leviticus 23 : 29.
( The Bible Code p. 191 )
This refers to the comet Swift-turtle but I believe the word ' swift '
is used by the code for another purpose, a codeword for the full
decoding of the Bible code.

For the Bath, England connection see also Macbeth Leviticus 7 : 29
and ' presented on stage ' code.
Bartholomew ......... twice ( 1612 AD )

Annexed
The word annexed is in the Bible Code and, I believe, refers to the code
itself, the words and phrases can be used for more than one purpose.
eg. ' Av ' as a date but also an avenue ( road ). A very efficient code.

annex add or append as subordinate part
append attach, affix ; add.
affix 1. attach, fasten ; add in writing
2. thing affixed ; prefix or suffix

prefix 1. verbal element placed at beginning of word to
qualify meaning
2. join as prefix ( to word )
suffix 1. verbal element attached to end of word in
inflexion or word formation
2. add as suffix

annexe supplementary building

Five roads

Shakespeare , Av , second , third , five roads are all in the code.

In Bath, England there are a row of five avenues.
1 Bruton Avenue
2 Shakespeare Avenue
3 Kipling Avenue
4 Milton Avenue
5 Longfellow Avenue

Shakespeare Av second
Kipling Av third

Third = Kipling More code about The Battle of Waterloo ( Bristol )
link from Kipling - History book index.

Kipling, Rudyard 1888, 1894, 1899, 1901, 1902

1902 AD Waterloo Bridge, Claude Monet
' The Entertainer ' rag, Scott Joplin
the encoder I the landlord
me anagram
T. Olpin

Waterloo Bridge = the Code

The Heart of Darkness Joseph Conrad
The Path to Rome Hilaire Belloc

Just So Stories Rudyard Kipling

( Please do not approach Terry Olpin, an amazing cosmic tumbler )

Diagrams that may help to illustrate how to encode
the Bible from the 20th century working with God

God ----------------->------------>---------------------
knowledge of all the future

This is the same effect as words travelling back in time.

God---------------------<----------<------- the encoder
utterances

For those who are familiar with the concept of
electricity this comparison may help

--------- electron flow----->
<-- conventional current------

A feedback loop across time

God--------------------------------------the encoder
I I
I -------------------- I
I I The I I
I-------------I Bible I-------------I
I-------------------I

the encoder
who is he ?
His name is Joseph Bar........
of Bath, England

Daniel

05-25-01, 04:27 PM

Daniel

05-25-01, 05:21 PM

sorry about the duplicate post. I tried to delete one
unsuccessfully. While I'm here, a correction
Cans of spaggetti, not beans.
The feedback loop diagram did not come out very well
either.
Daniel ( Joseph )

daktaklakpak

05-25-01, 08:37 PM

Since you create your own key to decode as you see fit with no logical reason, such as "A=1,B=2,...,O=0", what's the difference between your method and my way of picking the letters "JESUS" out of a bowl of alphabet soup?

Using your method of decoding, I can match all known historical events with a dictionary.

Deadwood

05-26-01, 02:15 AM

Daniel

I am still wondering how could the code say that Jesus is and is not the Messiah? Has your research found an answer to this yet? I myself do have an idea of how the bible code works but I do not understand how the matrix is set up. To my knowledge the matrix can be set up in pretty much infinite ways. Even after the matrix has been constructed you then have to find thw words. Are you doing your research in Ancient Hebrew?

Also, as I stated before that there is code again about Jesus being and not being the Messiah in Moby Dick. This is because Moby Dick is a reasonably large book. I am not arguing the validity of the code, but whether it is from God or as I believe the words come up by chance, simply because there are a large amount of words and letters in the Old Testament to make that so.

I must admit I do not understand fully how you encode and decode the bible. I am also wondering what you mean by encode the bible How can you encode what has already been written?

Also, I am in no way offended by your research. If you wish to research go ahead, not everyone is going to agree with you. It does however, give you a chance to prove them wrong, me included. I don't actually get offended at very much if anything.

Tiassa

I think sometime there will have to be another topic about the ballot box. I think it is too far off topic to discuss here. If you had made one previously I must have missed it.

Daniel

05-29-01, 01:57 PM

I am claiming to be the encoder. Choosing keys for code is what encoder's do hence it is logical. A = 1, B = 2 etc. is a very well known basic code. I am putting forward the idea that certain relevant words convert to numbers which in turn convert to Gregorian years which is part of the Code ( Apocalypse ).
Examples God, Almighty, Jesus
words in the Bible code Pisgah, Amir, Jaffa

God has influenced language, names so that they can interact as code
Examples
................Jerusalem
.....................Us
.......................Salem
.......................Salem witch trials 1692 AD
.................................................. ....16 92
...........................92........16
............................92..........6
House number 92 Room 6 Armageddon

Revelation 16 : 16 The Final Battle
Revelation 18 : 18 A sea port Bristol

autobus
a u tob us
a you 2B Us

The Code includes where words are located in the dictionary in relation to other words and in relation to page numbers.

Major code numbers
29 and 92
36 and 63
88 and 66
339

The dictionary I use most frequently is :-
The Little Oxford Dictionary, Sixth Edition 1986
Reprinted 1986, 1987 ( twice ), 1988
ISBN 0-19-861188-9

p.29
associate join
assonance
assumption
asteroid

astonish amaze, surprise
astound
astral
astronomical
astronomy
asunder apart, in pieces
asymmetry

p.92
chuckle
chuffed
church
cinema
cipher

p.129
First word on p.129 Christianity
Starting on p.128 the word Cross covers over half the page of 129. ( This could indicate to look at the other page next to a page that includes ' X29 '
where X = 0,1,2 etc.
crowd
crown

p.128 Crime cross

p.192
First word on page explosion

'autobus' is encoded from Numbers 9:2 to 14:35.
Bombing or explosion appears in the same place.
note chapter and verse number 9:2

expose reveal

p.229
Gestapo Nazi secret police
ghetto

p.228 genesis

p.292
Jew
job piece of work
join

p.329
Starting on p.228 Manifest reveal itself
Manifold Many and various, having various forms or applications or component parts
mankind
manna
manslaughter
mantis kind of predacious insect
manuscript
many numerous,great in number/many people or things
map
Mar abbr. March

p.328 manger
mango ( see Apocalypse Now )

p.392
patience
patient
patrimony property inherited from father or ancestors
pause
pawn chess-man of smallest size and value.

p.429
First word on page ' program '
proclaim announce publically and officially
proctor ( see The Crucible ie Salem witch trials )
prodigious marvellous, enormous
profess claim openly to have

p.428 probability processor

p.492
screen
scribble ( colloq. sign on dole )
scribe
scripture sacred book, the Bible
scroll

p.529
sorrow
SOS international code-signal
soul

p.528 solve, song, soon, soothsayer, sophisticate

p.592
toll (of bell) cause (bell) to strike, announce
tomb
tome large book or volume
tommy-gun ( see Rocky 5 )

p.629
vice versa

p.628 very

p36
bad
badger
bait
balance

p.63
broadcast
broaden
bronze
Bros Brothers
brother
brotherhood
brought
browbeat

p.136
danger
dangerous
daring
darkness
dart small pionted missile esp. used as a weapon
Darwinian
dash strike with violence, Morse code

p.163
donkey
doodle scrawl ( sounds like scroll )
doom fate, destiny, doomsday Last Judgement
dormant
doss doss-house
dot shorter signal of two in Morse code
double twice
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