Dirty bomb ... dirty bomb ... d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d dirty bomb ... Halliburton dirty bomb

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Tiassa, Mar 6, 2003.

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Halliburton?!

  1. Well ... duh

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  2. Purely coincidental

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  3. If it's for a dirty bomb, someone's got a great sense of irony

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  4. You've screwing with me, right?

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  1. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, come now.

    This just slays me: Halliburton theft ups terror fears (CNN-Money)
    Now ... I'm having a hard time getting past one glaring question:

    - Halliburton?!

    I mean, come on ... give me a freaking break! What, if the terrorists aren't moving fast enough, give it to them? The short article goes on to note that the theft occurred "between the Nigerian towns of Wari and Port Harcourt", and that IAEA can't figure out how the device was stolen.

    You know, people gave Clinton crap for a real estate deal!

    Sure, Halliburton's the world's number two oil field services firm, which I can see increasing the likelihood that it would be targeted as a likely source of radioactive material.

    But I'm going to have to "go fishing" in order to find out what the missing device actually is.

    Halliburton?

    A link from the Houston Business Journal from earlier today:
    From Yahoo! Singapore
    And Ha'aretz Daily (English edition) provides nothing new, but since I'm scouring Google news ...

    Unfortunately I have Chaka Khan's "I Feel for You" stuck in my head: Dirty bomb. Dirty bomb. Dirty bomb let me rock you let me roll you, gimme the bomb and we'll all putta hole in you ....

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    America must make a stand. You are either with us or against us, Mr. Vice President. Nothing personal... Launch the Predator!
     
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  7. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Notes on Americium 241

    Smoke detectors and americium (UIC)

    Why steal from Halliburton when you can just start buying smoke alarms?

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    Americium: What is it? (Google html; PDF link)
    I'm following up on gamma radiography, which seems to bring us closer to the mysterious missing device. Pipeline equipment from CS Products Ltd of London offers some theoretic possibilities in its catalogs, but I can't determine the relative size of the devices pictured. Well, it doesn't matter, as I see that CS Products, for instance, does not handle Americium 243, so we might conclude that none of the devices pictured contain the isotope. However, I think we're on the right track; gamma radiography seems to be part of the petroleum business.

    But definitely this is the right track:
    I'll stop bugging you all with the play-by-play of the search, but it's a story entertaining enough to cause me to go out and learn a few simple things I probably already should have known.

    I had no idea when I started this, for instance, that my smoke detector was radioactive. I've even learned basically why that is. Thanks, Halliburton! You've helped expand my knowledge!

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  8. spookz Banned Banned

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    the conspiracy angle
    halliburton>cheney>bush>war with iraq> need pretext>shit stolen by al queda operatives and sold to saddam>yeehaw!
     
  9. Gifted World Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    I heard that it was a device used to x-ray pipes for cracks. Except that I don't think they use americium as an X-ray source.
     
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  11. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    If I had to write the conspiracy for it

    Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld especially--

    - Cheney, through Halliburton, arranges for material to disappear
    - Rumsfeld, through contacts made when he was recruiting the Taliban and others to fight the Soviets, arranges for delivery to one or another terrorist cel.
    - Cel explodes dirty bomb
    - Bush capitalizes on event to justify further expansion of war efforts

    It would be to the administration's best interests if Rumsfeld could create a paper trail showing the cel to be the missing link between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein.

    To paraphrase Shel Silverstein (I really shouldn't):

    Georgie War-Hog,
    Stop wagging that dog
    For your sake
    The dog's sake
    And heaven's sake
    That's the dumbest way I've seen yet
    To make a puppet state.


    That is, if I had to write the conspiracy.

    Nonetheless, a more reasonably valid point to consider is the fact that Cheney was CEO of Halliburton in a manner that considers conspiracy irrelevant:

    - As the number two firm in the world in your field, and given the close relationship you have with the White House, ought not better consideration be given to security in this time of nearly paranoid vigilance as to not leave us wondering how the device was stolen, or by whom, or exactly when?

    I mean, I still wonder if it would be easier to just shoplift a million smoke detectors. But maybe even that wouldn't be enough

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    My only problem with conspiracies is that most of them require an immense amount of stupidity, such as follows:

    If "Conspiracy A" is true, then either--

    - someone is really stupid thinking they could pull the wool over people's eyes, or
    - the people really are stupid enough to pull the wool over

    I mean, think about the bare outline I gave above: How hard would it be to bury evidence of administration participation? Especially in this day and age?

    But the irony of it being Halliburton is almost too much for me to put up with.

    But if terrorists can figure out there's enough radioactive material there to make a dirty bomb, shouldn't someone at Halliburton have been able to figure the same in advance? Are American businesses in Nigeria on condition green or something?

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  12. justiceusa Registered Senior Member

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    After a whirl wind search, I found that radioactive devices are widely used in the oil industry for a number of applications, everything form finding cracks to determining the depth of oil in a reservoir. The units basically consist of a container to hold the radioactive subtance. A shutter which can be opened to emit radiation and some kind of detector which shows a digital read out or image.

    You can even get a quote to buy one of the devices from the link on my previous post.

    Its not so much a case of, what just was stolen, but what has been stolen misplaced or abandonded over the last 10 years.
    Haliburton was working in Afganistan until shortly before 911.

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  13. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    Terrorism experts say shifty-eyed brown people with beards are also introducing sinister radon gas in American basements, and are nearing completion of a "solar flare" device which is capable of peppering Americans nationwide with gamma radiation, and also producing static on the Rush Limbaugh show. The President has announced that we must "git" Omar Sharif to deter these deadly threats.
     
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    Re: If I had to write the conspiracy for it

    powell and the plagiarized document in the un
    blair and his evidence.

    thats debatable. my faith has been somewhat restored by the demos around the world against the war
     
  16. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Spookz

    I, too, am encouraged. And politics makes strange bedfellows as I find China is, for the time, on the same side of the line as I am. But I still worry about the American people. After the dust settles from tonight's crash-and-burn conference, we'll see what the people think. It's not the final test or anything, but I don't think the President augmented his support base. I got the strange feeling that justifying this war has Bush at the absolute edge of his mental capabilities. Like he can just barely keep himself from exploding: "What is wrong with you people? Can't you all just shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up Mary had a little lamb little lamb little lamb Mary had a little lamb and Saddam Hussen whacked her and the lamb and the whole godforsaken village with nerve agents so why can't you people just shut up and let me fix the problem my Daddy helped start I'm not listening I'm not listening I'm not listening la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-whoo-hee I don't love you or like you I hate you I hate you I hate you I'm not listening I'm not listening Mary had a little lamb ...."

    A couple of times there I thought he was going to just snap.

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  17. spookz Banned Banned

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    infact in the woodward interviews for "bush at war", he indicated that. "as the president, i owe no one an explanation" (or something to that effect)
    i have noticed his irritation in a lot of his public interviews.
     
  18. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    "A couple of times there I thought he was going to just snap."

    I think he was very close. Handlers are going to have to be even more careful about unscripted public interaction on the part of the President, especially as crises mount. There is deep fear and rage lurking inside that man. Just when we thought times were already frightening enough, we watch a Presidential address, and see manifestations of a fragile sanity.

    Many will of course dismiss comments like this as politically motivated derision. But I am beginning to suspect with some pity and a great deal of alarm, that our President may not be holding up well mentally to the intense strain he is under.
     
  19. Psycho-Cannon Home grown and Psycho Registered Senior Member

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    I think i've just had an idea as to how to stop this war.
    I don't know how someone convinced them to let the President go on Air for a debate but if they can do it again all the people that want this to stop just need to get on the show.
    Sit in the front row behind him and start whispering stuff at him ^_^, when he looks at you just look innocent like you didnt do anything.
    After an hour of that he will crack live on air and have to be sectioned, problem solved.
     
  20. spookz Banned Banned

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    and yet even tho all the marches and whatnot warms the cockles of my heart,
    .................

    PRINCETON, NJ -- A new Gallup Poll shows much stability in the public's support for military action against Iraq. The poll, conducted March 3-5, shows 59% of Americans in favor of and 37% opposed to a U.S. invasion of Iraq attempting to remove Saddam Hussein from power. The "needle" on Iraq has not moved in the past few weeks, after showing a slight uptick following both President Bush's State of the Union address and Colin Powell's February speech before the United Nations. Following the Powell speech, 63% approved of military action, but support has fallen back slightly and has stayed at 59% in recent weeks.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/releases/pr030307.asp


    ....... it seems that the majority of americans demand vengeance
     
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  21. skywalker 3 @ T M 3 Registered Senior Member

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    From what?
     
  22. Mr. G reality.sys Valued Senior Member

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    tiassa:
    Is that the same China who's in Tibet without UN mandate? The same side of the line with Russia who's in Chechnya without UN mandate? The same side of the line as France who's in Ivory Coast without a UN mandate?

    Strange bedfellows, indeed.
     
  23. Tristan Leave your World Behind Valued Senior Member

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    This is refering to justiceusa's post about middle of this page. I would like to highlight the interesting part in Bold..... Is that really something the general public wanted to know? Hahaha. Corrosives and toxic vapors.... might as well add "pesticides, extremely radioactive plutonium, what ever deadly or highly posinous materials might be floating around your facility, at least the detector will survive... no refunds"

    Just thought that was funny.

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