Did they ever find the Graviton?

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  1. ScaryMonster I’m the whispered word. Valued Senior Member

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    Forgive me for not paying attention if they actually saw one at Cern but I’ve been busy, I was just wondering if they’ve detected Gravitons yet? Are they really drifting off into a nearby dimension or this paradigm refuted?
    I guess if this is the case supposedly there should be gravitons drifting into our diminution from others?
    Question then is if they are flying off all over the place they why is gravity so weak?
    Anyone got any interesting insight into this?
     
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  3. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    They aren't trying to detect gravitons. They are looking for the Higgs Boson.

    I don't think the Large Hadron Collider is even operating at full power yet.
     
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  5. prometheus viva voce! Registered Senior Member

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    Even when the LHC is operating at full power it will take a good year or two to gather enough data to be sure of discovery. It's not just a case for looking for one event and saying "that was the Higgs" unfortunately.
     
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  7. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Very true. And on top of that, it will require another year or two just to analyze the data to see exactly (more or less) what they actually HAVE found.
     
  8. ScaryMonster I’m the whispered word. Valued Senior Member

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    I seem to recall hearing something about trying to detect Gravitons floating of into nearby dimensions, after a collision.
    It might not have been Cern that was trying to do this.
    I guess its important because it would prove that there actually are multiple universes (Or do we already know that?) and explain something mysterious about Gravitation i.e. why is gravity so weak?
    If it relates to the Higgs Boson as well then it might be interesting to hear how?

    It found this youtube clip that probably explains my question better.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCV3lXleKQc

    The graviton is a closed loop and so can float off into another dimension.
     
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  9. RJBeery Natural Philosopher Valued Senior Member

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    I'm almost done with "The God Particle" by Lederman. This book is around 15-20 years old! Can anyone "fill in" what has happened between then and now? He talks with great anticipation about the SSC in Texas which I know was cancelled many years ago...it's very odd to read such a dated book, but I'm just asking very generally how "dated" it is? Have we found the top quark? What's the current feeling on the Higgs boson? Does the Higgs field jibe with Relativistic effects? I want to ask this in the least provocative way possible, but does no one else find it odd that we're falling back on an all-permeating Higgs field after 100 years of calling the aether redundant?
     
  10. prometheus viva voce! Registered Senior Member

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    Maybe I'll reply to this in more detail later (I'm about to go to work) but the Higgs, just like the other component fields of the standard model, is a quantum field which has very different properties to the aether which is a classical fluid.
     
  11. ScaryMonster I’m the whispered word. Valued Senior Member

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    My only concern as far as the Higgs Field is that if everything is interacting with it then how come detecting it has been so difficult.
    Maybe it is just like the mythical aether of the 19 century?
     
  12. prometheus viva voce! Registered Senior Member

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    Particles are only detectable when they are real, as opposed to virtual (this is a technical difference that is not very enlightening unless you're a specialist). Virtual particles flit in and out of existence all the time for very small fractions of a second but individual particles are undetectable (the effect of VP's is detectable - see the anomalous magnetic moment of the electron, or the Casimir effect). To make a particle real you need to have enough energy to make it, the mass of the Higgs is probably somewhere between 115 GeV and 185 GeV so a Hadron collider needs a minimum of about 1.2 TeV to even have enough energy to make one, but there are technical reasons why you need more energy to make a Higgs - you don't want the area of interest to be at the extremes of your ability. The LHC's planned energy is 14 TeV which should be enough.
     

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