So it turns out that the jackass Virginia Tech Killer tried to hire an "escort" last month and it didn't go so well:
Frye works for an escort service. She says, Cho hired her, and the two met at a Valley View motel.

She says "I danced for a little while and I thought we were done because he got up and went to the restroom and began washing. And I said, 'well, do you want me to go? I'm going to go ahead and go'. And he's like, 'I paid for the full hour, you've only been here for 15 minutes,' and then he came back in the room. And I started dancing and that's when he you know, touched me and tried to get on me and that's when I pushed him away."

I asked Frye if she was afraid at that point: "No, because he went away right away." She said she didn't see any guns, any ammunition, and nothing else that made her feel nervous. http://wsls.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSLS/MGArticle/SLS_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173350907846
So here's this guy. A complete loser. He sees guys scoring with the ladies all over the place. Finally, he decides to hire a prostitute, and she refuses his advances! I'll bet he bought the guns the next day.

I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to burn in hell for what he did or that it's not his fault. But I'll bet this really did push him that much closer to the edge, if not all the way over. Can't even score with a whore!

PS Notice I didn't use the killer's name. Fame is part of what he was after, so I'll do what I can to deny him that.

You see this guy as a complete loser who should have just crawled under something and died not to bother winning guys like you to enjoy what is rightfully yours. He could have had just the same (or rather more extreme) ideas about your likes and your place in the scheme of life. Sure, the girl would have put out to the clone of Cho, if he had lots $. That would have made the clone a winner.

dixonmassey

You see this guy as a complete loser who should have just crawled under something and died not to bother winning guys like you to enjoy what is rightfully yours.

You want a real honest answer---Hell yes,
Name me one person in this world who don't have problems in their lives? It is the winners who deal with those problems be it getting laid or teased or the death of a loved one, and keep on living life, and if they chose to commit suicide they keep it personnel and take their own lives, and don't take their pain out on innocent bystanders who have enough problems of their own to deal with and are winners for doing so.

You see this guy as a complete loser who should have just crawled under something and died not to bother winning
That would have been preferable to what he did, by far.

But of course he should have tried to better his lot in life. I'd venture to say that there's not anyone on this site who doesn't fit the definition of a nerd to some extent. None of us, I hope, go on shooting sprees. We all have our limitations and burdens to bear. When you attempt to deal with your pain by becoming a mass murderer, you've stepped into evil.

But my point in calling him a "loser" was to describe his social status. From what I've read, that adjective would definitely apply. He's socially akward, even autistic. Can't score with the ladies. So he hires a whore, and still doesn't score!!!! I don't know about you, but that would piss me off.

He wasn't a loser. He just wanted to fit into a normal life too much but couldn't. There are lots of happy losers in life that think they are winners. Society is made up of dipshits who think they are better and winners because they are proud to act wild. He became one in the end.

Cho had poor nonradical skills to resolve or live with himself out of low self-esteem, this alternatively pushes one to extreme action after frustrations build up.

Honestly, do you think that whore is a winner because she's not suicidal? The bitch is probably on crack with five welfare babies. Please, most people are losers.

I used dorky, was one of them, maybe timid and pushy, there at the end he was a little pushy."

That's not a description of an asshole. A real asshole would have slapped the bitch and raped her.

Good people supress their dark side until it comes out in fury when they think people have been too unfair, cheated, or taken advantage of their trust, naivety or kindness.

Can't even score with a whore![/I]


This whole pathetic episode demonstrates the desperate need for a Taliban style religious authority in America.

No guns, no media, no prostitutes, women in burkhas, no wealth, no ostentation, no priviledged class.

The madness can be stopped.

That's not a description of an asshole. A real asshole would have slapped the bitch and raped her.


Better being a real asshole than someone who keeps all their feelings bottled up and lives in a fantasy world.

Better being a real asshole than someone who keeps all their feelings bottled up and lives in a fantasy world.
Are those the only choices?

Please, the whole disgusting and insidious problem with this society is it glorifies self-centered, violent, asshole losers so Cho gave them what they wanted.

They call 'nerds' losers when nerds are thoughtful, sensitive, conscientious or try to do the right thing. They glorify those who act worse than animals, get their kicks from pushing others around and he pushed back and they are pissed.

They are more of a loser than he was. Suck it up and get over it, losers.

He didn't realize his worth, that's why he stooped to the level of that whore and because he was young, he didn't realize there were girls who would appreciate him, even though it might take him a while to find them.

This whole pathetic episode demonstrates the desperate need for a Taliban style religious authority in America.

No guns, no media, no prostitutes, women in burkhas, no wealth, no ostentation, no priviledged class.

The madness can be stopped.

No human rights, no intellectual freedom, no breathing for religious minorities...yes. A perfect system. :rolleyes:

No guns in a Taliban style religious authority? What, are you serious?

I find this fascinating. I don't know what to say except that she obviously isn't a whore, she's an escort girl so that's why she wouldn't sleep with him. Now in all honesty we only have her word as to what occured in that room so it is possible she banged him.

He didn't realize his worth, that's why he stooped to the level of that whore and because he was young, he didn't realize there were girls who would appreciate him, even though it might take him a while to find them.
Are you his sister, or something? You vehemently defend this guy beyond all reason.
I find this fascinating. I don't know what to say except that she obviously isn't a whore, she's an escort girl ....There's a difference? I always thought "escort" was just a word used to advertise whores. You can't put prostitute in the yellow pages, except for in Nevada. Regardless, if I paid good money for an "escort", I'd expect more than a dinner companion. Why the hell pay otherwise?

Are you his sister, or something? You vehemently defend this guy beyond all reason.


Excuse me? beyond reason? I am reason.

I'm exposing cultural reasoning is not necessarily the truth. The guy is considered a loser among a sea of losers making themselves feel better about themselves.

He killed, but so do a bunch of assholes in iraq right now making bad judgements killing innocent people and they are not going to get the label and heat this guy is because he angered a society.

Just pointing out he is not the first or the last asshole in the world.
I find it ironic because their are worse things than death and torturing someone a lifetime is worse, treating them cruelly, feelings of loneliness etc. I don't think murder is the worst, it is one of them. I'd rather someone be shot dead than a lifetime of torture or pain. Shooting people is not as sadistic as Rape, torture, belittling, constant abuse, molestation, mistreatment, ostracization, etc are because the pain doesn't last. There are evil people who love to torture their victims first. I don't think he is that evil. He went postal.

Why is it the columbine killers weren't demonized like him? America made excuses for their "children". Why aren't the ones who go postal, demonized like Cho? Racism and too many do it. The stupid and dishonest chirping of 33!33! is bullshit because if he killed 100, they would be like why is he so eevilll, he could have just killed 33, so therefore he is really, really baaaddd! Disgusting.

The timothy mcviegh and the bath schoolhouse massacre had more deaths if they want to whine about how evil he is.

I find it ironic because their are worse things than death and torturing someone a lifetime is worse, treating them cruelly, feelings of loneliness etc. I don't think murder is the worst, it is one of them. I'd rather someone be shot dead than a lifetime of torture or pain. It all adds up in the end.
So long as their is life, there is hope. Cho killed young people full of potential. There is no hope for them now, unless you are religious.

32 people are rotting in the ground. 32 people in the prime of their lives. NOTHING Cho ever endured justifies his final actions.

On the contrary, what he did at the end retroactively justifies every evil thing ever done to him.

So long as their is life, there is hope. Cho killed young people full of potential. There is no hope for them now, unless you are religious.

32 people are rotting in the ground. 32 people in the prime of their lives. NOTHING Cho ever endured justifies his final actions.

On the contrary, what he did at the end retroactively justifies every evil thing ever done to him.


I know he shouldn't have killed those people. But he shouldn't have been mistreated in society either and it's a cumulative and indirect cause and effect. These things happen. It's sort of what goes around comes around.

Unfortunately it doesn't always come around to everyone who deserves it but it is an opportunity to take a look at society and where we have failed.
This is just one of those terrible things, his actions cannot be condoned.

We need to address these concerns because he went over the edge but others are suffering too and that is not okay and for society to keep a blind eye to that is criminal neglect in a moral sense and are morally wrong. Just a cold wakeup call.

If it justifies every evil thing done to to him and you think this is the way a society should operate then you can't blame Cho. Simple cause and effect. I think that's why he did it. If someone is treated badly, they want to give society a reason for it. When I was mistreated I felt an urge to do something that would anger them so it would justify it. Those people may have had promise but he didn't like them and he knew they wouldn't care about him either so to him they are like the rest. There are people who commit crimes and society doesn't care because its not their family etc. Why should Cho care about them with this attitude. This is the way it is. When I was hurt nobody really cared about me so why would i save my humanity for them, this is the blindspot. Cho just brought it fulltilt in the open.

We need to treat people like human beings otherwise society will reap what it sows.

Come now friend, you know people cannot be punished for the things they might do later in life, the same applies for Cho. He wasn't yet a murder, and saying his previous experiences + final act are all intertwined is like saying you are god. This is false logic...

Cho is a good person, he just had a bad day. This is true for each of us, now what he was thinking we don't know, it would likely make no sense even if we did know. Cho himself was a man, and a man cannot be more than this.. so we must ask what kind of man kills? A man that has no value in life... a man with no value will kill others because he feels they have no value as well.... thus is the truth of the matter. What caused Cho to see no value in life? Whatever the cause of this is the true reason all those are dead, Cho was merely a hand to the culprit he fell victim to.

As for those people having their whole lives ahead of them, unfortunately they never did, things were decided long before Cho attacked, they would never leave that campus alive. Whether they'd end up being important in society or minor players remains to be seen, however I think it's open to speculation.

Part of me wishes I was there, then Cho could've ended my lonliness the way he did his own :shrug: In any event Cho represents what evil does, he himself was not evil.. to examine his life and learn what occured will help us prevent this in others...

Incidently I read one of the Columbine victims was actually a student at the same university Cho went crazy at, can anyone confirm this?

darksidZz

Cho is a good person, he just had a bad day.

So, in this logic, if I have a bad day, like I am having now, I am justified in Killing anyone that I have a beef against.

I did not give it justification of any sort, merely said he was not evil himself, evil touched him though :shrug:

darksidZz



So, in this logic, if I have a bad day, like I am having now, I am justified in Killing anyone that I have a beef against.

you day isn't as bas as his.

So, in this logic, if I have a bad day, like I am having now, I am justified in Killing anyone that I have a beef against.
No, No, No. You're justified in killing anyone whatsoever, by that "logic".

A man is defined by his actions. Cho's actions make him evil. Saying his actions are the inevitable result of people being mean to him is to say he has no free will.

We are not puppets dancing on the strings of fate. We choose how to react to what life throws at us. We are, therefore, responsible for our actions.

But I still say if that whore had done her job, things might have gone differently.

I know he shouldn't have killed those people. But he shouldn't have been mistreated in society either and it's a cumulative and indirect cause and effect. These things happen. It's sort of what goes around comes around.

Yup i agree, the shootings are really the price you pay for hierarchical/pyramid structure society in which (by either an accident of birth or circumstance) people invariably get left out of the loop.
The system pretty much ensures and garantees people like Cho to crop up from time to time, absolutely.

Of course that doesn't take away from his personally responsibility nor does it make his behaviour permissible.

No, No, No. You're justified in killing anyone whatsoever, by that "logic".

A man is defined by his actions. Cho's actions make him evil. Saying his actions are the inevitable result of people being mean to him is to say he has no free will.

We are not puppets dancing on the strings of fate. We choose how to react to what life throws at us. We are, therefore, responsible for our actions.

But I still say if that whore had done her job, things might have gone differently.

Okay, but then america needs to withdraw from iraq because of 9/11 and stop killing innocent people. That's just a subjective justification.

By that logic, so are americans evil. Seems like there is a lot of blame to be spread around.

Why is it the columbine killers weren't demonized like him? America made excuses for their "children". Why aren't the ones who go postal, demonized like Cho? Racism and too many do it. The stupid and dishonest chirping of 33!33! is bullshit because if he killed 100, they would be like why is he so eevilll, he could have just killed 33, so therefore he is really, really baaaddd! Disgusting.

The timothy mcviegh and the bath schoolhouse massacre had more deaths if they want to whine about how evil he is.
Those terrorists at the Russian school were evil incarnate. Tim McVeigh, the Columbine guys, all evil. This isn't a contest. They were all scum and deserve our contempt and scorn. We are discussing the VT incident because it just happened last week!

And you are the only person I've heard bring up the "racism" deal. And you've done it repeatidly. Why? No one cares about his race. We care about the fact that he is a mass murderer.

But I still say if that whore had done her job, things might have gone differently.

I don't know why you're blaming the girl? Maybe she DID try to do her job and he couldn't get it up ...and THAT'S what drove him over the edge.

But I have to agree with Buffalo Roam ....good men, rational men, normal men, deal with life's problems and get on with their lives. Anyone who can't take what life deals them shouldn't be allowed on the planet!

Wimps!! The whole fuckin' world is turnin' into wimps!!! Everyone making excuses for their own failings ...and can't deal with life. Wimps ...just plain fuckin' wimps!!

Baron Max

I don't know why you're blaming the girl? Maybe she DID try to do her job and he couldn't get it up ...and THAT'S what drove him over the edge.

But I have to agree with Buffalo Roam ....good men, rational men, normal men, deal with life's problems and get on with their lives. Anyone who can't take what life deals them shouldn't be allowed on the planet!

Wimps!! The whole fuckin' world is turnin' into wimps!!! Everyone making excuses for their own failings ...and can't deal with life. Wimps ...just plain fuckin' wimps!!

Baron Max

Like I said, it doesn't condone his actions but it doesn't condone others actions to hurt or abuse people just because they think they can get away with it. It's a two-way street.

Those terrorists at the Russian school were evil incarnate. Tim McVeigh, the Columbine guys, all evil. This isn't a contest. They were all scum and deserve our contempt and scorn. We are discussing the VT incident because it just happened last week!

And you are the only person I've heard bring up the "racism" deal. And you've done it repeatidly. Why? No one cares about his race. We care about the fact that he is a mass murderer.

I'm not going to just focus on people who do this as evil. Yes, they did evil things and some of them may indeed be evil. But that also doesn't excuse society of it's own culpability and wrongdoing. A little here and there throughout a lifetime adds up to evil too and that's a Fact!

People who do this are doing evil and the rest have their own sins and should hold themselves accountable if they are good people and not EVIL just because no one else is and no one knows about it or it's behind closed doors or society lets them get away with it!

Like I said, it doesn't condone his actions but it doesn't condone others actions to hurt or abuse people just because they think they can get away with it. It's a two-way street.

I read that to mean that you're a fuckin' wimp!

Baron Max

I read that to mean that you're a fuckin' wimp!

Baron Max

Then you have hypocritical morals and you can't judge Cho and he would have been justified in killing you according to your own self-serving morals.

You don't get it do you..Pay attention..."SELF-SERVING MORALS"

Whether he should kill or not or whom is subjective just as you expect him to follow your own.

That right there as well as those who think as you are no better than Cho.

The pure truth.

...and he would have been justified in killing you according to your own self-serving morals.

He was justified in killing by HIS standards, HIS morals. And you'll notice that that's all the seems to count here, right? I mean, for all our arguments and discussions and anger and pity, he killed those people becuase he felt justified in doing so. END OF STORY.

The pure truth. But you and many like you don't want to hear the truth ...you want to make all kinds of excuses, reasons, speculations, that you can't prove ...just to be saying something!

You want freedom? Well, Cho used his freedoms. Do you?

Baron Max

He was justified in killing by HIS standards, HIS morals. And you'll notice that that's all the seems to count here, right? I mean, for all our arguments and discussions and anger and pity, he killed those people becuase he felt justified in doing so. END OF STORY.

The pure truth. But you and many like you don't want to hear the truth ...you want to make all kinds of excuses, reasons, speculations, that you can't prove ...just to be saying something!

You want freedom? Well, Cho used his freedoms. Do you?

Baron Max

Now you're swapping positions. Before you called him a wimp, now you say he took matters into his own hands and you are projecting asking me what I would do.

You seem to be delusional enough to believe there are no crimes except killing and people should not be held accountable but people should just not be "wimps" and take it.

My only point was that it is a two-way street and people need to take their own actions into consideration because it affects other people and no matter how that person reacts does not excuse them of their own sins.

Now you're swapping positions. Before you called him a wimp, ...

No, I didn't. You read my post completely wrong!!

Baron Max

peta9

I'm not going to just focus on people who do this as evil. Yes, they did evil things and some of them may indeed be evil. But that also doesn't excuse society of it's own culpability and wrongdoing. A little here and there throughout a lifetime adds up to evil too and that's a Fact!

Societal culpability? Societies are a construct of the human awareness, it has no culpability, it takes a Individual to have culpability, there is no way to make society culpable. Society is the agreed on rules by humans that makes it possible to live and function together, and Society doesn't conform to the individual, the individual conforms to society, for a Society, the individual is forced to conform, but no society conform for the individual, to have society conform to the individual destroys the ability to be in one another's company, because in conforming to the individuals definition of his personnel society, you have total anarchy, even the animals know better, even the lower animal have a societal hierarchy, the pecking order, and that is needed for the survival of the species.

peta9



Societal culpability? Societies are a construct of the human awareness, it has no culpability, it takes a Individual to have culpability, there is no way to make society culpable. Society is the agreed on rules by humans that makes it possible to live and function together, and Society doesn't conform to the individual, the individual conforms to society, for a Society, the individual is forced to conform, but no society conform for the individual, to have society conform to the individual destroys the ability to be in one another's company, because in conforming to the individuals definition of his personnel society, you have total anarchy, even the animals know better, even the lower animal have a societal hierarchy, the pecking order, and that is needed for the survival of the species.

So if you have a society that manfactures killers it's the... individual's fault?

So if you have a society that manfactures killers it's the... individual's fault?

A "society" does not manufacture anything! A "society" does not create anything. A "society" is just a collection of like-minded individuals trying to get along with each other.

You can't blame "society" for anything, nothing!

Baron Max

peta9



Societal culpability? Societies are a construct of the human awareness, it has no culpability, it takes a Individual to have culpability, there is no way to make society culpable. Society is the agreed on rules by humans that makes it possible to live and function together, and Society doesn't conform to the individual, the individual conforms to society, for a Society, the individual is forced to conform, but no society conform for the individual, to have society conform to the individual destroys the ability to be in one another's company, because in conforming to the individuals definition of his personnel society, you have total anarchy, even the animals know better, even the lower animal have a societal hierarchy, the pecking order, and that is needed for the survival of the species.

Of course a society can be culpable because it's the actions and wants of the majority that win out. If a society condones bullying or mistreatment by nonaction then the society is culpable especially if they have the power to change their own actions or implement laws. Those within the society are still individuals trying to meet their own needs and protection. If they dump on one of those within the society or they get the short end of the stick, they will turn on that society because it is still the individual needs being addressed in a macrocosm. Cooperation is still a benefit for the individual and a group, if it does not work or they are not considered, then those who suffer will bite back. If cho wasn't bullied for their pleasure then society's nonconsideration of him would be justified as there is no give and take. But bullying is a form of action, it is taking of someone's self-esteem to boost your own. If society does not want this type of cause and effect then they need to address and grow with awareness of the needs of it's people. If not too many suffer needlessly.

Of course a society can be culpable ....

You have an extremely odd view of "society", sir!

But before you come back with another reply, please ask yourself this question and try to answer it rationally and logically; What is "society"?

Then ask yourself; Is the "society" of New York City the same as the "society" of California? Of Georgia?

After you've answered that for us, then perhaps you can make us understand how "society" can be culpable of anything - good or bad.

Baron Max

Roman, explain how to manufacture a killer? a interesting Idea. I know that societies can have a warrior parodyne , Sparta a prime example, but can a society engender a parodyne that is killer, Killers are not conducive to a long lived society, as they would destroy the co-operation and numbers of individuals to maintain a society, I doubt that a society can manufacture a population of Killers and last for very long, as the definition of society is the co-operation of individuals for the common good of that society.


society
n.
1. [Friendly association]
Syn. friendship, social intercourse, fellowship; see ORGANIZATION 3.
2. [Organized humanity]
Syn. the public, civilization, culture, nation, community, human groupings, the people, the world at large, social life.


society [sə sīə tē]
n.
pl. societies MFr société < L societas < socius, companion: see SOCIAL
1. a group of persons regarded as forming a single community, esp. as forming a distinct social or economic class
2. the system or condition of living together as a community in such a group [an agrarian society]
3. all people, collectively, regarded as constituting a community of related, interdependent individuals [a law for the good of society]
4. company or companionship [to seek another's society]
5. one's friends or associates
6. any organized group of people joined together because of work, interests, etc. in common [a medical society]
7.
a) a group of persons regarded or regarding itself as a dominant class, usually because of wealth, birth, education, etc. [her debut into society]
b) the conduct, standards, activities, etc. of this class
8. a group of animals or plants living together in a single environment and regarded as constituting a homogeneous unit or entity

Paradigm.
Nice attempt at literacy, babykiller.


Why don't we look at your babykilling 'Nam buddies, eh?

It's obvious most people don't care about people like cho. We already know society is full of assholes.

With that, there is nothing more to be said. Just like we have laws against other crimes, there should be a social stigma against bullying but there isn't because too many people are bullies. Bullying goes on all the time from school to work to the general population. Whether this is right, wrong to some or many or can be controlled or not is evidence of a negative component of that society. The outcome ranges from depression, domestic violence, children and adults which develop personality or anxiety disorders or negative coping skills all the way to shooting sprees as well as costing taxpayers billions. Oh well.

Roman,

Paradigm.
Nice attempt at literacy, babykiller.


Why don't we look at your babykilling 'Nam buddies, eh?

Well it seem that I have blown you out of the water, and now because you don't have the intelligence to debate your contention, you resort to name calling? Yes who is the one with lack of brains here?

ps: its( baby killer )dip.... not babykiller, if your going to try and insult please at least get it right.

I don't understand why Cho isn't culpable for his actions. He was a loner- is there any actual evidence for him being bullied or ostracized, or is this you making assumptions?

Cho was a loser. A frustrated one. So he shot a bunch of people before killing himself. How, again, is it society's fault for this kid being a loser that couldn't make friends? He couldn't cope, he was offered counseling, he refused. He couldn't cope. Sounds like his fault, not society's.

Roman,



Well it seem that I have blown you out of the water, and now because you don't have the intelligence to debate your contention, you resort to name calling? Yes who is the one with lack of brains here?

ps: its( baby killer )dip.... not babykiller, if your going to try and insult please at least get it right.

Wait, you actually had an argument? What was it?

peta9

It's obvious most people don't care about people like cho. We already know society is full of assholes.

Bullshit, if I had known Cho I would have tried to talk to him, hell I talk to you, I talk to samcdkey, I talk to anyone that interest me, but people tried to talk to Cho, he was the one who rebuffed them, he was the one to with draw, me I just have more fun, and especially with people like you, I am amazed at the lack of logic in your theories of how we can make the world a warm fuzzy everybody loves everybody, can't we get along world, and then there is the reality of the situation, shit happens, everyday, ever hour, every second of the day, it is how you overcome that shit that makes you a winner, it is the thing that truly makes us human, the dark humor in the deep shit that we over come to be true winners, and we don't have to kill a soul to do so.

I don't understand why Cho isn't culpable for his actions. He was a loner- is there any actual evidence for him being bullied or ostracized, or is this you making assumptions?

Cho was a loser. A frustrated one. So he shot a bunch of people before killing himself. How, again, is it society's fault for this kid being a loser that couldn't make friends? He couldn't cope, he was offered counseling, he refused. He couldn't cope. Sounds like his fault, not society's.

He is culpable for his actions but he was still bullied. It is very obvious from his diatribes. The problem of bullying still needs to be addressed, that's the point. A lot of people are bullied or mistreated and it fosters negative interaction and coping skills.

For some the bullying is so bad, they actually commit suicide. Kids should not be allowed to bully or push people around physically. Children are much more vulnerable as it is a formative time in their lives and it can affect them long after the bullying stops.

If society doesn't want to address it, so be it. Whatever. I can't convince them but I can tell you this much, most people are crap and assholes. So you have a negative society full of hostility and there will be people who go on shooting sprees, that is a small price to pay for little change among its members.

I remember when I was in high school everyone was pushing thier way down the stairs and this guy fell knocking him out and he was convulsing. They just stood there disgusted looking at him and said "somebody get him out of the way." I was the only one who went and got some help. Great people they will be in the future, very deserving. You're right, Cho doesn't belong here.:cheers:

Obviously if she didn't put out for money, she wasn't a whore. If true, this was just another example of how he didn't know how to deal with his problems in a rational way.

It's obvious he had more than one problem. The reason why I feel for him is because of his strange actions that resemble a lost child. He might have had selective mutism or a form of autism or even a form of schizophrenia. But I know that it wasn't all of it and he was obviously hurting. He went out at night to ride his bike, had an invisible girlfriend named jelly from outerspace and she called him spanky. He even shooed his roommates away when she visited him. His family or no one else visited him. He scribbled the lyrics to shine on the walls of his dorm room just like a child.

Teach me how to speak
Teach me how to share
Teach me where to go
Tell me will love be there (love be there)

To me, no matter what his additional problems might have been, this is the heart of his feelings, someone who wanted to be loved but didn't know how to get it. I feel compassion and pity for him simply for that and his disability and inability because that is painful.

peta9,

To me, no matter what his additional problems might have been, this is the heart of his feelings, someone who wanted to be loved but didn't know how to get it. I feel compassion and pity for him simply for that and his disability and inability because that is painful.


No Cho was a bully who insisted on everything his own way, that can be seen in the fact that he tried to hire a prostitute, someone paid to do exactly what you want them to do, and the fact that if you didn't play by his rules he tuned you out, everything he did was to try to be the alpha, the center of attention, the one in control, and people didn't play his game, to his rules, but in the end you have to acknowledge that there were people who reached out to him, and Cho was the one who Isolated himself, I can find story after story of people who tried to talk to him and get him into counseling for help.

Cho’s words, actions fit pattern - Today Show - MSNBC.com
Police did not identify the person, but two of Cho's roommates have said they ... from her department chair, who tried to talk Cho into going to counseling. ...
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/18175525/

Inside Cho Seung-Hui's Dorm | TIME
"We'd try to talk to him. but he'd barely respond. So one day my roommate challenged himself to get him to talk to us. We told him a joke." Cho did laugh ...
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1611548,00.html

Roommates Describe Gunman as Loner - New York Times
Although Mr. Cho told his roommate he was a business major, ... or so and he would just give one word answers and not try and carry on the conversation.” ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/17/us/17cnd-ROOMMATE.html?ref=us

LiveLeak.com - Cho Sheung-Hui's Manifesto Clips Part 2
Cho, 23, a senior English major at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State ... Re: kindness - his roommates would try to talk to him, others would try to ...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0b9_1176945832&c=1

Why don't we look at your babykilling 'Nam buddies, eh?
Those babies were terrorists.

peta9,




No Cho was a bully who insisted on everything his own way, that can be seen in the fact that he tried to hire a prostitute, someone paid to do exactly what you want them to do, and the fact that if you didn't play by his rules he tuned you out, everything he did was to try to be the alpha, the center of attention, the one in control, and people didn't play his game, to his rules, but in the end you have to acknowledge that there were people who reached out to him, and Cho was the one who Isolated himself, I can find story after story of people who tried to talk to him and get him into counseling for help.

Cho’s words, actions fit pattern - Today Show - MSNBC.com
Police did not identify the person, but two of Cho's roommates have said they ... from her department chair, who tried to talk Cho into going to counseling. ...
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/18175525/

Inside Cho Seung-Hui's Dorm | TIME
"We'd try to talk to him. but he'd barely respond. So one day my roommate challenged himself to get him to talk to us. We told him a joke." Cho did laugh ...
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1611548,00.html

Roommates Describe Gunman as Loner - New York Times
Although Mr. Cho told his roommate he was a business major, ... or so and he would just give one word answers and not try and carry on the conversation.” ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/17/us/17cnd-ROOMMATE.html?ref=us

LiveLeak.com - Cho Sheung-Hui's Manifesto Clips Part 2
Cho, 23, a senior English major at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State ... Re: kindness - his roommates would try to talk to him, others would try to ...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0b9_1176945832&c=1


Really, how hold are you ? -10. He had a disability. His family even said he did not talk as a child. On top of this, if he had severe trauma in his past like rape or molestation some kids tune everyone out. Also, your personalities can split. Actually, he reminds me of this kid I used to know who did have multiple personalites because he had been traumatized and he stayed to himself and did not talk to people only when absolutely necessary, especially a boy who is raped by an older man. If they didn't know that, they think he's being stuckup or weird and end up ridiculing anyways. There are so many possible reasons for someone's behavior. You don't know what happened in his life. Even in school, if you know you are going to be rejected because you are different anyways some people just don't bother.

People also act like angels when they are reporting or being questioned. Do you honestly think they are going to admit gossip or ridicule behind his back, so what they tried to talk to him at times, it doesn't mean they would have accepted him anyways. He may still have been the butt of his roommates jokes once they found out he was different or not having any respect for him or treating him like baggage. That's the way it is, there is no way most people would accept someone like him. He would be ridiculed fucking period!! I have enough life experience and know the societal demographics like the back of my hand. I can just picture it all enfolding around him too. Even those who occasionally tried to talk to him makes no difference if he did not know who to interact or he was really different, he just would not be really accepted. People only like those who think like them.

You are pretty nasty trying to make him look like some bully. He couldn't get a girlfriend for one, so that is why he hired an escort and you are making it into something else. If he was so bad he wouldn't have just left after she rebuffed him. You know if I just put myself in his position but I just offed myself. People would come out of the woodworks acting all innocent including my family. They also don't walk in my shoes or seen or experienced what I have, their opinion does not necessarily reflect what I personally know or dealt with, all they would know is what they did and would be in denial and lie to protect themselves. That's the way it is. Only Cho knows and he took it to his grave. For someone to not realize this seems pretty immature or naive.

I'll just leave it at that, YOUR AMERICAN SOLDIERS ARE GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL BECAUSE THEY ARE EVIL, SCUMMY, SHIT WHO KILL AND ARE BULLIES. THEY SHOULD GO TO HELL, HELL , HELL IN A HANDBASKET. BY THE WAY, HOW IS **********.ORG TREATIN YA?! YA RACIST RIGHTWINGA YOU.