Dick Cheney goes begging for war

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Don H, Aug 27, 2002.

  1. Don H Registered Senior Member

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    TV News blurbs summarize it as the most powerful forceful dynamic call to arms... etc.

    I saw the speech and thought it was pitiful.
     
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  3. Bobby Lee member Registered Senior Member

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    The Vice President

    I too saw the two interviews. I didnt think it was pathetic at all.

    I think it may have came across to the general public wrong, but I understood what he was saying.

    Its not been that long ago that 4 million Jews where just about done away with.

    To me what was being said was; do we want to wait until there is a big problem first?
    Intelligents knows that the weapons being manu., are biological and a danger to the whole planet.
    What do we want to do, wring our hands and wait for the airborne level 4 to get out. What then? These are facts!

    As to the intelligents communities info they already know that Iraq has Nukes, they are just trying to get the device to deploy it.

    Russia already knows this because they provided the plutonium as part of a underhanded oil deal to generate money.

    Iran already knows this because they to provided some things.

    So, why is it so pathetic for the Vice President to be affraid for the World as a whole?

    I think if the public realy knew what was going on it would be mass panic.

    Twice in history Germany, one of the smallest countries in Europe Just about took over the world.

    Wanna know why?

    The reason is because the World powers and countries didnt want to have a international incident, so they wrung their hands and wrung their hands until it was to late.

    Prevention is the key word to a global problem.

    Not one damn thing that we or anyone else has to say is going make any difference to the Iraq Government or any of the Questionable Governments in the area.

    They are going to smile, give us the "OH WE ARE TRYING" and do what they are gonna do anyway.

    They are sworn by religious dogma to kill all americans and anyone who isnt islam.

    I say lets stop the talk and do the walk.

    I have a daughter that has to be raised in this world, and I dont want her world being threatened by persons who by blood are ruling countries rather than by intelligents and merit.

    I support the Bush administration and the Vice Presidents concerns.

    If the rest of the World is so blinded by diplomatic bullshit to think that there is a table of agreement, than its a sad day for the world.

    The threats at hand are real, and they will slit your throat while smiling at you.



    Bob
     
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  5. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    the problem here is that Bush will do more than kill the terrorists- his team will take over those countries /influence/.
    and I hate that and I don't trust the U$A
     
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  7. Bobby Lee member Registered Senior Member

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    Lesser Of Two Evils

    Catch 22!

    Im not sure what you are realy saying? Are you saying that you would rather have the population of the world mutated rather than have Bush incite Democracy?


    bob
     
  8. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    bush and democracy are two different things

    I bet I'll get through even if US is nuked, I live about 7000km from it
     
  9. Bobby Lee member Registered Senior Member

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    Bush vs Democracy

    Well Avatar, Bush wont always be President!



    bob
     
  10. Bobby Lee member Registered Senior Member

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    One More Thing

    The Problems I mentioned in Previous statements still applies.

    In my opinion I still support Bush and the Administrations stance toward the Problem at hand.

    If you are suggesting that Bush or his Administration somehow have another agenda than I agree. I still think that the stability and threat issue is the first concern, and the oil is second. It may be one and the same when deciding the economy of a country!

    If we didnt have stability it would be like "Mad Max!"

    What about the millions that all this affects besides you and I Avatar?

    I say let the Iraqies run their own Country, but not with Pathalogical Liers. Saddam isnt doing his people any good keeping them beat down and scared. Nor is it in their best interest to be pissed off about the false information their Government gives them.

    We all have to deal with popaganda, but its not causing me not to be able to eat, feed my family, or have a Country with a decent economy!



    bob
     
  11. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    USA and Iraq affect EEurope very little and I feel quite distanced from them
     
  12. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    I fear not Sadam- and we need US but for other agenda- protect us from China.

    China is the next potential superpower and I fear it more than anything
     
  13. Bobby Lee member Registered Senior Member

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    China

    Avatar

    China is another thing. I dont have much to say about China except they are formatable power to be considered. I dont know how many people now reside in China, but I bet its alot.

    I suppose we will have eventual conflict with them as well, because of the abuses the communist governments laws they enforce for the population as a whole.

    I still have to say that hardline communism is a insult to all intelligent people. It realy states that the people dont have enough sence to take care of their best interests so the government has to.

    What a slam


    bob
     
  14. BatM Member At Large Registered Senior Member

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    Bush vs. Bush Administration

    You know, not even the rest of Bush's Administration is solidly behind the need to attack Iraq. While Cheney and Rumsfeld are doing the saber rattling, Powell is distinctly quiet about Iraq and Bush is still saying, "I haven't made up my mind". Everyone around the world is basically saying, "if you've got a good reason to attack Iraq, then tell us what it is -- what we've heard so far isn't convincing". If it was convincing, then the members of the UN (especially those in the same neighborhood as Iraq) would be voting for more sanctions. Thus far, I think most people's belief for why the Bush Administration might attack Iraq is because they want to clean up something that Bush Sr. left undone. And, while they are distracted by Iraq, other serious issues such as Israel/PLO, Afghanistan, Bosnia, China, Russia, terrorism, and the economy are getting pushed aside.

    If we could elect new Presidents after two years, I'd vote him out now.

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  15. GB-GIL Trans-global Senator Evilcheese, D-Iraq Registered Senior Member

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    Apparently you don't know what Communism really is, then.

    Communism isn't massacres, Communism isn't repression, Communism isn't Facism nor is it Democracy, although it can be either but not both at the same time.

    No, instead Communism is the modern Robin Hood.

    Communism makes it so that if you inherited $3 million from your great grandfather and never have to work at all in your life because of it, but there is a homeless person next to your mansion who did hard labour for the first 50 years of his life and is dying, if you are the only two people in the society, he gets $1.5 million and you get $3 million.

    China isn't Communist, China simply uses that word to make the people hope for a better tomorrow and to think that whatever extravagant things the officials get are all for the common good (which couldn't be farther from the truth!)

    There are millions of *intelligent* people (who Joeman says in a serious note are "retarded", and means it in the sense of being s l o w and not a general insult) who are for Communism. There are also some people for Stalinism and Maoism (in case you didn't know, Stalin was actually a highschool dropout that saw an opportunity to gain great fame and wealth and took it and kicked the better leader who wouldn't've earned a bad name for Communism, Trotskij, out of the country) but not nearly as many.

    In poorer nations, it is mostly workers that form Communist parties.

    In richer nations (ie the US, Canada, and Western European nations etc), it is usually the intellectuals and sometimes the workers that form the Communist parties.

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    Also, if you were so intelligent as to check an almanac, you'd find that the US is in fact not a Democratic nation (which, by the way, doesn't mean a free nation, just a nation in which the populous is equally represented in government, which is certainly not true in the US) but rather a Federalist Republic, which is quite rare because everybody else has taken the US as an example of what *not* to do.

    The US supposedly sets up Democracies when it leaves a country it 'helped', but plenty of times the US has set up dictatorships. The US set up a dictatorship in Iran, one in Iraq, the US supported terrorism against the Soviets in Afghanistan, the US supported a coup by some Colombian guy (the current leader was leaning towards socialism and denouncing recent actions by the US, so the US helped get him out of there even though it was only for a couple of days), &c, &c, &c.

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    Mister Lee, if you were to check UN sources, you'd find that Iraq was in fact inspected for weapons and all were destroyed, and Saddam has welcomed inspectors in the last few weeks, but the US didn't want that to happen because the government knew that nobody would find any weapons, and then there would be no reason for there lil' war against Iraq. Already less than 50% of the population of the US supports it, and elsewhere it is much, much lower.
     
  16. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    don't talk about benefits of communism. It was forced on our country and 1/3 of our population was slaughtered for it. What other country has lost so many of their people during and after WW2 ?
    It was genocide
    It brought only misery and sufferning on out people.
    Communism isn't working, it isn't suited for human nature- we've had 50 years of communism, we know how it is in practise not beautifully written by some utopist on paper.

    1 example- poeple got paid no matter how well or bad they worked. All got equal ammounts of money. You know what happened? All got lazy, productivity and quality dramatically fell-> if you bought a hairdryer you'd be lucky it worked after a week and for the same hair dryer you standed in que for 6 hours.

    don't talk about the benfits of communism if you haven't witnessed one-> if needed I'm ready to give my life if it ensures that communism is never again oppressed on our land
     
  17. GB-GIL Trans-global Senator Evilcheese, D-Iraq Registered Senior Member

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    Nobody's witnessed Communism except visitors to and residents of Tokelau.
     
  18. GB-GIL Trans-global Senator Evilcheese, D-Iraq Registered Senior Member

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    By the way, Communism only works if everybody has good values and economic innocence.

    If the people of the Soviet Union had actually realised that everybody had to work hard if they wanted a good life, it would've prospered. However, people only took advantage of the system, fucking over those who contributed their fair share to society. Example:

    In real Communism, Johnny Johnson works the same amount as his cousin, as does the vast majority of society, because they realise that they can have a wonderful life and a wonderful nation if everybody works hard.

    In a failed attempt at Communism, Johnny Johnson does minimal amounts of work for the same amount of money that his cousin gets for doing 10 times more work in the same amount of time, and much of society slacks off at the expense of themselves and others, because they don't realise that they need to work for a good life and nation.

    The world just wasn't ready for Communism yet

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  19. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    it never be, not until the human quits to exist

    sorry- was my mistake because of fast typing here

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  20. GB-GIL Trans-global Senator Evilcheese, D-Iraq Registered Senior Member

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    By the way, I really meant earlier to get rid of the McCarthy era misconceptions about Communism (like Communism is the opposite of Democracy, Capitalism equals Democracy, etc)
     
  21. GB-GIL Trans-global Senator Evilcheese, D-Iraq Registered Senior Member

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    Avatar, the human race ALREADY exists.

    The world will be ready for Communism when people realise it does no good to lie and cheat.
     
  22. GB-GIL Trans-global Senator Evilcheese, D-Iraq Registered Senior Member

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    Which, by the way, I believe humans will eventually evolve to do.
     
  23. GB-GIL Trans-global Senator Evilcheese, D-Iraq Registered Senior Member

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    Hopefully during my lifetime, but I for some reason doubt that will happen.
     

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