As Sparks has been a missionairy to the ignoring of posters , while reading one of his posts on a thread that I had created , the thought accured to my mind : Why is it possible for him to enter a thread that doesnt exist ?

So obviously it does exist , however I do not believe a person who denies another persons reality , should be able to pick out threads created by a person on his ignore list he so proudly parades around with .

I figured that either merely my posts on my thread are not visible , rather than the thread itself . Also it accured to me that a person is free to remove another person from his ignore list , wich would give him also possibility to read my thread , or posts , and respond on it/them .

And then another thought hit me , why is there no possibility for me to deny this person who does not acknowledge my existence , the right to view any of my posts always , according to my desires to do so .

I believe this should be possible in the same manner as it is possible to ignore a person and put him on a list . In such manner it should be so that you could deny a person the right to read your post and thread .

I think this is only fair , in the very least as your right to exist has been taken away by a person . So then should you be able to take away his right to aquire information in the very least when he does not acknowledge your existence .

Im sure it sounds way to complicated to do technically , but its nothing more than having the ability to add myself to anothers ignorelist . Easy .

Im not sure how it would work with the threads , I havent ignored anybody ever so I wouldnt really know how that works exactly .

The should be the right to deny and a list of denial . It is merely fair in when there also is an ignore-list .

At least thats my opinion , any thoughts ?

You're absolutely right, Ghassan! We should liberate the Penguins of the Everglades from the sultry, oppressive climate and the avaricious exploitation of the savvy, discreet flamingoes who so cruelly deny them their natural due! Hurrah! In most manly and incisive vindication of our avian brother's rights we shall improve the inclement weather and cast away the yoke of the malefic Flamingo Reich! On, on to Victory! Let none fetter Justice!

Ghassan Kanafani:

The thing you need to realise is that this is a public forum. Whilst it is up to the individual to be able to choose what they do and do not read, it is only up to the site administrator/owner to limit somebody else's freedom to access the site.

If you want to limit the access of others, I suggest you get your own webspace. Then you can run it however you see fit.

Yes thank you very much for your opinion James R , and thank you for reminding me on the freedom-ethics being practiced .

And thank you very much for your suggestions as well , they are certainly ground breaking .

However , I dont hope you will mind if I wont follow them since Im not demanding anything but just assert an idea/suggestion , so I would like to listen to what others have to say of it as well , if thats ok with you ?

Redoubtable , do you believe that with your attempt to ridicule my suggestion/idea with your almost scaring compares of hilarious oppression (or whatever that is suppose to represent) , it has brought you any closer to posting something other than worthlessness ?

Why dont you just say : I think its stupid , or just put a smiley instead ? Do you actually think that with ranting in pseudo-intellectual attempts you have brought any extra value to the content of what you have posted ?

Let none fetter Justice ?????????????????

:(

See , this would be a perfect example of having somebody reading what you might not want him/her to read .

Now we have heard the freedom-ethics comment , I wonder weither there is anybody who would think that freedom is not the highest moral aim , for sure not all things are free to do (on this site) , and they shouldnt be .

Doesnt this leave room for an argument against freedom-ethics ?
If they arent always the highest priority of moral consideration , then how would/could this be topped ?

For instance , would the right for individual/private property somehow not conflict ? The information displayed here are of the writer in origin , and shared in very first place with the runners/owners of this site . Surely over them I have little argument to bring in , however another visitor of this board who is in equal position as me surely cannot claim ownership in a case where this conflicts with the original owners wishes on the specific sharing of the information displayed .

Any thoughts anyone ? James wouldnt you think freedom is not always the highest aim ?

Also James , perhaps you could create some logics in a person responding on a thread that is not suppose to exist as the creator of the thread is on ignore ?


Perhaps Im missing something , but I have the feeling it has something to do with freedom as well :rolleyes:

that is all.

:D

My anus is bleeding!

:)

Mortal Kombat!

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Originally posted by Ghassan
Why dont you just say : I think its stupid , or just put a smiley instead ? http://www.usgifts.to/images/large/1960.jpg

Rd
My anus is bleeding!

Do you expect any different from attempting to be pragmatic yet exuberant and cordial in your daily pursuits and affairs ?

:bugeye:

Ghassan, don't worry. Sparks is all mouth and no brains and will. He will loudly announce how he has ignored someone like you and me, and then 20 seconds later he will un-ignore you. As proof you will see him respond to this threat and probably this post ....

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Ghassan Kanafani

I actually agree with you. While I am not saying this should be done, it does make sense. If someone wishes to refuse to see your posts and recognise their existance, it would seem natural that they wouldn't wish to bothered by you or any thread you started. In essence, you would actually be doing them a favor, in a sense.

Also, I have noticed that sometimes a person will deliberately go to any thread you start and instantly turn it into an attack against you, thus destroying any chance of you or others having any kind of intelligent conversation on the subject, or at least severely hampering it. While I see the other side of the arguement in that, because someone doesn't wish to read what you post, they should not be denied the right or oppertunity to read other forumer's postings on a topic that they may be interested. What we have in essence is a problem with no easy solution. There are, in the end, only two viable options: Either leave things the way they are and give us all at least some control over who and what we are inadvertantly bombarded with by choosing to investigate subjects which may interest us, or
remove the banning option totally.

Your main concern seems to stem from people having the right to read what you decide to post here. In the end, the choise is yours. If you wish your ideas to only be shared by a select few, try private messages or e-mail. While it is true that this does limit the flow of ideas, it will cetainly give you the desired control. Another option is, as James sujested, start your own forum. If an idea comes up that you wish to share with general populace of sciforums, yet still wish to exclude certain people, you could create a link to your forum there and control who is allowed to be members. That would seem to give you both the freedom you desire and the control you have expressed a wish for.

If you only want this ability to 'strike back' at those people who have put you on the banned list, think about this: Even though you have started the thread, they still aren't reading your posts and ideas, except for those segments that others see worthy to quote. They are, in fact, reading other's comments and musings on a idea you brought up into open conversation. Once that idea has been laid on the table, you no longer have full controll over it, and you certainly do not have the right to deny some one else's thoughts a wider audience.

Although I like your idea, and I would say it does have some merrit, I do not see it as either a viable or even fair (to other forumers) sugestion.

Originally posted by Mephura
Ghassan Kanafani
Although I like your idea, and I would say it does have some merrit, I do not see it as either a viable or even fair (to other forumers) sugestion.

I gotta ditto that.

Well I sure fell like ignoring one person but can't seems to be a mod. But anyways I agree 100% with you G.K, those morons like EI who need a ego trip every once and while should not be allowed to post on my threads. I mean some of MY threads are full of this guy. That pisses me off royaly. I say that if u ignore someone get prepared not to post on his/her posts, i mean it is only common niceities to the sci "dead".

the ignore list does not really ignore people or put them out of sight and mind, the person post in rendered as such:

This person is on your Ignore List. To view this post click [Here] (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&action=showpost&postid=384503#384503)

just push the button and you can read their post, it more like a gag list then a ignore list, you gag the ignory but you can listen to them if you want. Usually to make a constructive reply to a thread started by someone on your ignore list you will read the first post by pushing the button, thus invalidating the problem

Ghassan,

The ignore feature on this site is barely functioning. For many member, we can't ignore becuase they are wrongly shown as adminstrators, ect....There are so many bugs for the program that we should be making demands to add new features.

If somebody wants to ignore you, let them, and if they want to write you back, then I would ignore them if I were you. But there is no need to start new threads to complain about this subject. Ignoring another is a personal choice that you shouldn't interfere with. Forcing somebody or punishing someone for ignoring you sounds more like concentration camp tactics to me.

Also, I have noticed that sometimes a person will deliberately go to any thread you start and instantly turn it into an attack against you, thus destroying any chance of you or others having any kind of intelligent conversation on the subject, or at least severely hampering it....

...There are, in the end, only two viable options (mephura)

report. make your case. our supermods/admin will make an independent assessment. if the troll is truly worthless, his ass is grass!

Forcing somebody or punishing someone for ignoring you sounds more like concentration camp tactics to me. (hef)

yah. those in favor of their private little fiefdoms within sciforums are misguided. please reconsider

Oh God Sparks' ignore shenanigans has had a far more unthinkable result- forcing Ghassan and Jerrek on the same side.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend....or something like that.

nico:

Well I sure fell like ignoring one person but can't seems to be a mod.

names please.......;)

Originally posted by Flores
Ghassan,

The ignore feature on this site is barely functioning. For many member, we can't ignore becuase they are wrongly shown as adminstrators, ect....There are so many bugs for the program that we should be making demands to add new features.

If somebody wants to ignore you, let them, and if they want to write you back, then I would ignore them if I were you. But there is no need to start new threads to complain about this subject. Ignoring another is a personal choice that you shouldn't interfere with. Forcing somebody or punishing someone for ignoring you sounds more like concentration camp tactics to me.

Hey flores, actually if you go into the member's info page (like "Info For Zero, where it shows the avatar, fave quote etc) there is a teeny little link below next to "Add ~~~ to your Buddy List" called "Add ~~~ to your ignore list". That works.

Wait, why am I telling anyone this?

There should not even be an ignore feature. This is public forum. Simply skip a post if you do not feel like reading what a certain individual posted.

ahh
this must be like in real life when the good ole folks try to criminalize behaviours they dont dig. hey, aint sodomy all above board now too? oh oh...gated communities!

shit! lemme go out and wave my dick (10 1/2" of solid steel) in someones face!

10 1/2' eh?is that when erect or flacid??:eek:

he does not have a dick: its a steel rod he put in place of his micro-penis. :D

Idea! I'll put everyone on ignore, and un-ignore people if they say something insightful! That should make an intersting scenario.

Originally posted by blankc
Idea! I'll put everyone on ignore, and un-ignore people if they say something insightful!

If you have everyone on ignore, how would you ever know if they say anything insightful?:confused:

one_raven,

you click on their post ignore link and read it anyways.

what sense does it make when you ignore somebody but read anyway his posts ?
oh , i just answered myself this question ...you want to show the other person that you don´t like him ,right ? :D

You put the ignore list on so that you don't have to see what shit their saying but if your really want to you can take a look anyways.

well that's contradictory isn't it? If you know you're going to end up reading that post anyway, then why click ignore in the first place? Furthermore human nature being what it is, one is more likely to be curious as to the content of an ignored post, thus increasing the probability of reading the post, hence you end up giving the post which you supposedly wanted to ignore in the first place more attention than if you hadn't clicked ignore to begin with.

Who says I'm going to read it? If someone else on the thread mentions something interesting about their post then I might want to read it, I do not know of this ahead of time, so before s/he is banned I prefer not the listen, unless they say something good enough that it bring the attention of others.

But don't you think that "out of sight, out of mind" mentality behind putting a member on ignore is rather childish? I mean if you dont agree with a certain member, and you think it's beyond the point of reasonable discussion, then why not just scroll past his/her posts. Why the need to physically click ignore? What if there wasn't such a feature, what would you do?

Plus I bet your curiosity gets the better of you in most cases anyway, admit it, I bet you often un-ignore posts to see what they contain.

I'll agree that I really don't need the ignore list, but other people are a little more sensitive and need it to feel better after said person insult them.

I always find that public humiliation is often the best answer to somebody who attempts to insult me.....much more fun.

some people arn't phased by anything though.

True. All you have to do is reason with them using logic and objectivity to the best of your ability, then reason with them further. If that fails you let 'em have with both barrels, and if that fails, you resort to good old fashioned insults, because if it's gotten to this stage then you're probably dealing with a gimp that deserves a good ass kicking...at least you can say that you gave it your best shot.

and if all that fails?
Here is a good example of the type of person that you can't reason with: Hahnemannian

Hahnemannian? That's a name of a member??!:D
Haven't come accross him/her/it. Which forum can I find this chimp in?

*EDIT*
nah....he's harmless. Wierd, ....but harmless.:D

run a search you find him... :D

read more, the guy goes insane once you poke him enough. I tryed everything he is now in Imp mode.

Who's this Ghassan fella everyone keeps talkin' about?