ok well first off im going to start by saying this is a very important thread to me and i would wish that all of you are respectful and do not go off topic.. with this said i would also not like to see bashing and flaming if someone elses oppinion is diffrent from yours.. if you have somethign bad to say just leave please and dont start something.

ok im going to state right now the porpose of starting this thread.. to me i look for knowledge in this topic since i fear one of my good freinds might be going through some issues... ok im basicaly looking fo any knowledge out there or oppinions alll of you people have.. i want to go over the following and more if possable... signs of possesion.. resons for possesion.... traits that follow possesion and abilities given/tooken away, outcome of possesion, and as much more as possable.. i have created this post because i know many people on this forum are highly intelligent and know many diffrent things that i dont which might help my cuse... basically im saying if i learn enough from all of you hopefully ill be able to use this knowledge to find out for sure if my freind is going through certian things and if i can help her...

i'll say that demons don't exist. Theres no such thing as possesion. It's very easy to believe something though and not let it go of it, maybe thats what a demon is :). Demons are what ancient people would call sickness, ill health etc. Jesus cast out demons from people the problem is that Jesus prolly didn't exist either. Errr you can spend alot of time chasing demons, um I don't think it will be very fruitful.

How old is your friend?

What are the symptoms?

lose the demons.

Ember-to-Inferno:

If you're concerned about your friend, don't jump to conclusions. Perhaps he or she is having psychological problems, rather than becoming possessed by demons.

As others have already asked, can you describe the particular circumstance you are worried about?

we aren't just 'conscious' beings. we also have the unconscious. when conscious mind fees compelled by powerful unconscious motivation is when people may feel 'demonically possessed'.

a good example of this. some time back i saw a fascinating documentary about a woman who falls in love wit a serial killer. she gets close to him---he is on death row--an h paints and draws her -ictures to try explain how he felt when about to do his murders.

Actualy this atory is even weirder than i am making out. i was watching this programming at te tail end of a shroom trip, so it was extraordinailry powerful, and involved synchronicity---but i dont want to over complicate my story

OK, he drew these pics, and said how when he was about to commit murder he felt like "meat puppet"---and that he was possessed by--have forgotname of of tis 'entity, have all tis writ down somewhere--an entity, and felyt utterly powerless.
One of thepics, showed a face with eyes, and one of te eyes was distended and looed like a skull!
so, this is an example of the power of the unconscious. when there happens some trauma and rthe unresolved energy of it lies kind of dormnyt, then can happen te feeling of being taken over/possessed.

other 'milder' forms can be 'obsessive compulsion', 'addictions' etc etc etc

ok you guys want to hear her symptons and the resons why im thinking that something might be following her or even possable be possesing her.. im going to say right now everything is 100% real and im beeing seoirs im not commming onto this forums wiht bs... also i am not stating her age...

ok first sympton is this she tells me she can see demons often all over the place example her old house and in other peoples houses along with certian areas around town.. she often tells me there are more demons in the world then one would think..

every now and then she wil ltell me how all these random extremely gory images (soradid images) will appear in her head at any momnet and they dont seem to bug her or freak ehr out..

she tells me that in the sky she can see predictios of the future and i belivie her 100% when she tells me this i look in her eyes and i can tell she is not lieing..

when i am with her every now and then she will get violent and mabye boot me in the leg for no reson trying to cause physical pain to ither myself or her (which doesnt bother me atall but i could see this bothering people who first meet her) what i mean by cuaseing pain to herself is mabye she will be laughing to hard bcuz of something i do then she will get up walk over to seomthing and head butt it.. or just hit it which i find very funny (but not normal)

when i first meet peopel i get this feeling about them which tells me about there personality and if they are a good freind or not and i can see peopels auras.. and what ive got off her is an unclear aura its there but its not and i cant elxpine the colour its strange.. and the feeling i get off her is a feeling i havnt got off somone ever befor.. she says the same thing to me tho :bugeye:

every now and then i will come over to ehr hosue and she will be in a great mood then all the sudden she goes into this weird mood when she feels diffrent and doesnt act like herself at all.... is very strange i feel uncomfertable when she gets in this mood bcuz i dont know what to say or do and then yah the nigh kinda dies lol..

ok now the things that ive noticed while im around her in an empty hosue......

we will be down stairs and it sounds as if thier is poeple walking up stairs even tho no one is home... ive heard a few unexplanable sounds when ive been upstairs while she was down stairs.... its as if the whole house creeks and make sounds.. when im infornt of her apparement waiting for her all things will be quiet then she will come out and we will leave but then when we come back and are sitting outside of the appartment its as if the balcanies creek almost as if they are alive its very intresting..

also ive seen ehr drawing books well some pages she hides alot of her drawns and some of the ones ive seen that she didnt know i was looking at where some what demonic almsot well the drawns looked liek demons... its strange..

she ahs told me that it is almost impossable for ehr to cry i dont know if this means anything... but she never crys..

also she used to be christan at a younger age.. and now she is completely agianst basically any religion. but many people go throught this..

for some reson she tends to block out or forget many events in her life be it good or bad... (she has alot fo memory holes)

when im with her we will put something some where and then all off the sudden the fucking object will dissapear and be in a completely diffrent area...

when im with her along some times in a warm room.. all of the sudden it will go cold and we will both get cold chills up our spine then the room will go warm agian...

also on sunday i went over ot ehr hosue to visit ehr wehang out alot lately.. but any who she ranodmly looked at her arm and she was liek wtf ehre did this scrath come from and ther ewhere a few scrathes on her hand which she said came out of no where... she also told me she had a few on ehr legs.. this has never happened to ehr and i DO not think it is a good sing.. tehy almost looked like a burn mark a small ember would leave on your skin but diffrent..

there are a few more but this is far to long as it is.... once agian i would like to say im beeing serois about this and i appreceate those who take time to read this..


also sorry fro spelling errors and im on another comuter fro some reson i cant post replys form my comuter now internet shuts off and says its an add-ons fault?

it is interesting when you relate how she holds emotions in?
i have a theory, supported by research and shit, that when emotions are held in ten in some way they can....ohhhh whats the word?....do somethin we dont know about kinda

dont know if you've heard of Dr Stanislav Grof? he did and does mocdern consciousness research with LSD when allowed and then a technique he calls 'Holotropic Breathisn'----this is a tedhnique where you lay flat and breathe in and out continuously, and you begin a .....journey

anway,in one ofhis books he tells how he had really frightnin experiencew with tis girl ho aws a criminal---cant remember if it was LSD or HB, but he said in the session she really seemed possessed by a 'demon'---cant rember if he actually used that term, but he implied demonic possession

what he wouldsee tis as is energy which is
'frozen' and that this causes certain deep psychological events which can be likek demonic posesion. now whe you look at Jung's stuff about 'synchronicity' one can infer that in some cases deep unreolved energies created by various traumas may sychronize with the outer reality

a theory of tis kind seems to correlate with te phemenon of 'poltegiest' where a usualy oung girl going thru a crisis somehow effects actual objects etc

i feel she somehow needs to support to really express herself in a safe supportive environement. trouble is, in tis materiaistic-bias culure she will be diagnosed 'mentally ill' and possibly incacerated and/or drugged anyway. i think this appraoch further freezes rthe energies NEEDING full expression and resolvment

Our thoughts are energy and the projections conscious and unconscious. It is possible that 'demons' are a projection or a type of lifeform, albeit not a physical one but may have characteristics of and could take on a life of its own but borne of an individual's psyche. These may astral travel. There are many compelling stories of entity possession, seeing entities, and interacting with them or even their environment that aren't completely explained away by such diagnosis as Schizophrenia. Anyhow, the thought of criminal ghosts violating you or your privacy is unsettling. I would characterize 'demons' as a dark psychological waste-product but they may be 'alive' so to speak and have an agenda. The distinction of good and evil or a good individual or an evil one is whether one is in league with 'demons', one's own or others. This is the shadow of the psyche and religious texts such as the Bible refer to this as 'principalities'. Unfortunately, they do not realize that these 'demons' and 'angels' are not from 'out there' but are borne of us. The symbolism of heaven and hell may refer to the dimension that these reside in, basically not in 3-D. As they can astral travel they can see what we cannot, therefore they can manipulate. BUT these really would not have any power if it were not individuals who are in league but there are. The shadow feeds and seduces through corruption and greed. The proverbial and neverending battle between good and evil. Therefore, those who are not into degenerate agendas for their existance should ignore 'demons' but if oppressed possibly medication could be helpful.

the first post of this thread sounds very much like my mental health and the existentialists. i wonder if he/she is experiencing something similar to me? i would say "posession" is real---ie, the abstract of what posession is. in other words one can be posessed by certain aspects of themselfs in early forms. i am not sure about demonic posession, but have experienced something similar by the souond of it, without demons.

i would ask if you think she has a problem with her development! if she is doing fine, if she isn't doing fine: apparently she isn't doing so well. Is this correct?

Ember-To-Inferno,

Please don't take this the wrong way. The way everything is described sounds like you are both teenagers and as such probably don't have the right education to be sorting out an issue like this (assuming of course this is real and not some fantasy-roleplay between you two)

I am going to show you a summary the things you said and sort them out by my opinion of their importance.


HIGH IMPORTANCE:
* She randomly kicks people
* She randomly head-butts herself or punches various materials
* She easily forgets past events
* She has scratches and doesn't know where they came from
* She sees 'demons' everywhere
* She sees gory images randomly
* She sees the future in the sky

WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT?:
Your friend has demonstrated violent bahavior, doesn't remember things, and visually hallucinates. I don't put a high probability that she'll be able to function in society in this manner. Engage her parents and get her professional help (she may end up in a ward, on the street, or dead otherwise).


MEDIUM IMPORTANCE:
* She doesn't cry by self proclomation
* She can 'mood-swing' really quickly into something 'unstable'.
* You feel different around her and vice versa.
* She rejected christianity

WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT?:
Your friend is emotionally unhealthy and you can sense that quite easily. Her unusual experiences are likely preventing her from having a healthy relationship with others and herself (this one is very important as her rejection of religion likely alienated her in various social circles). Again, engage her parents before unhealth turns into depression and suicide.


NON IMPORTANCE:
* You see 'auras'
* The house where you two hang out makes noises
* With her, items turn up in places where you don't recall leaving them
* With her, sometimes the room gets cold and then gets warm again

WHY IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT?:
There is no evidence to suggest any of these items are even remotely related to the problem behaviors / experiences.

Sounds like a mild split personality to me.

degenerate. let us hope that i am a man and that you are not in any sort of degerate agenda. if you were, surely you are being degenerate. good luck. wish you well.

Sounds like a mild split personality to me.

Don't y'mean 13 year old drama queen?

Or that, was kinda hoping that the newer generations wouldn't be getting THAT pathetic, although my generation is pretty fucking bad.

Oh, every generation has its fair share. That particular story never changes... ;)

Ember-To-Inferno?

Y'know, your concern for your friend here is really quite admirable, but much as you disclose your friend "used to be Christen at a younger age.. and now she is completely against basically any religion. but many people go throught this.." I'm willing to bet here you yourself hold to a given faith, correct?

Now ask yourself, why is your friend telling you these things, specifically.

Do you not find these claims on the part of your friend here of the manifestation of certain supernatural issues (daemons, etc) somewhat coincidental to the fact that previously the person in question followed a faith in which such issues are regarded as being real?

Is it actually because she genuinely is afflicted in the manner you yourself fear or is it mealy that she is relaying to you issues of personal disquiet and unrest and discontent in terms you yourself, personally, can implicitly share, accept and understand without you questioning her too deeply or doubting her in disclosing such "facts".

I'm not here suggesting for an instant that your friend doesn't actually have problems, real ones, ones that are actually prompting her to manifest behaviour in the sort of terms you are describing - but what I am, not so much suggesting, but telling you - there's no ritual, no magic potion, no casting out and hence forth and begone solution that's going to help.

She needs her friend, obviously. That would be your job here and you should be exactly nothing else, she's telling you things with her aren't right, that there's a certain darkness to her life tainting everything - it isn't supernatural though, it's worse - it's life.

Sometimes people really do just go through the most awfully hard time of things and the worse thing about it is they themselves don't even know why it is they're doing it - why they're angry, why they're hurting themselves, what it is they're actually angry about. There are reasons, they're not evil spirits, it's stuff - real world, blood, sweat and protein stuff that can make a person feel and do all sorts of things for all manner of reasons - troubled teens really can have problems but, as long as they have a friend, which apparently this one seems to in spades, at least there is someone they can turn to and this is what your friend is doing with you.

Turning to you, looking for your support and acceptance.

I have absolutely no idea what's going on with your friends domestic situation, but I do know it isn't demonic and that's really all you need to know.

Be there for her, talk with her, ask her what's really going on.

I wish you the very best of luck with it, but put away the rosary and garlic - unless your making a Lasagna and want to bless it, it isn't going to do the slightest bit of good.

A ;)

wow man that was wicked.. i dont even know what to say ither then nice speech very inspirting... also i would liek to say that i am not in any religion and i truely dont have anything to belive in that i know of yet... im going to get to know her more and spend as much time as i can with her she seems to want to hang out basically every night and yah im jsut worryed about a few things that are happening latly bcuz i jsut dont want anything bad to happen to her or any of my freinds periodi still ahve a feeling that there is some darkness around her and im sure ill get an understadning of it soon enough..

also about the remarks about age... age means nothing its the matureitly level of the individual that matters...

o yes and the only reson i have came to this whole conclussion is the nigth after i hung out with ehr one ngit and she was in one of thsoe strange moods i talked about and later on in the night i talked to her on msn and behind her email name it said

demons will be cast into hell: Jn 16:11; Mt 25:41; 2 Pe 2:4; Jude 6; rev 12:7-9

and when i went tto google.com and looked it up only things on demonic possesion came up and alot of the spymtoms i read matched hers..and then on the next day the whole tlaking about and her showing me those burn mark scratches that came out of no where just made me think i find those verses very strange not all of them tlka about demons getting cast into hell can anyone help me understand what this is trying to say?

also about the remarks about age... age means nothing its the matureitly level of the individual that matters...

Indeed, you're absolute right. It does, you're perfectly right to correct me. I do apologise for that it's just I'm old and I'm warty, and often I'm naughty - y'kind of stick around long enough and basically y'get to see practically everything twice, except the second time round it's generally speaking a damn sight funnier is all...

You're friend, by the sound of it, is basically just turning into a Goth. Instances of self harming and/or self destructive behaviour equally match a good many of the descriptions you convey - Google a little outside the remit of the Biblical passage you site and you'll recognise a good many similarities between what's going on with your friend here and what other people have gotten up to at a similar point in their lives.

Focusing exclusively on the Anti-Christian aspects of a previously held belief basically aren't really at all that uncommon - it's a kicking back mechanism, a rebellion of sorts. That kind of does go with age, part of the process really. How extreme it gets basically depends on what's going on in her domestic situation rather than the demonic exclusively.

I'm sorry I can't help you with all the latter aspects of that, but if you're curious about the passage you mention, ask her about it. It's only there because she wants it to be noticed...

Trust me. ;)

What is her age, and family status?

age i cannot say she is very mature tho.. but her family status is mom and dad jsut devorced and her and her mom moved away from the day (they live an 20 min drive away from each other tho). but it doesnt matter for her bcuz she really dislikes her dad...

wow man that was wicked.. i dont even know what to say ither then nice speech very inspirting...

There wasn't a damn thing that I said that was inspiring and it likely closest to the truth (assuming again that this isn't just fantasy role-play or 'drama-queening' as someone put it).


also i would liek to say that i am not in any religion and i truely dont have anything to belive in that i know of yet... im going to get to know her more and spend as much time as i can with her she seems to want to hang out basically every night and yah im jsut worryed about a few things that are happening latly bcuz i jsut dont want anything bad to happen to her or any of my freinds periodi still ahve a feeling that there is some darkness around her and im sure ill get an understadning of it soon enough..

If her symptoms are real then the best thing you can do is engage the parents (or at least the most responsible one).


also about the remarks about age... age means nothing its the matureitly level of the individual that matters...

Thats simply not true. Biological age playes a huge role in behavior, emotion, learning, problem solving, etc. It also tells me that my assertion of you two being teenagers is likely correct.

If this really isn't fantasy role-play then the shits going to hit the fan at some point and this poor girl is fucked im sorry to say. If you really do care then get her parents involved and get the out of this demonic possession fantasy. There is simply no evidence to even remotely suggest a life form called a 'demon' exists and there is plenty of evidence to suggest your friend needs professional help.

man i cant jsut go tell her parents then i would be fucked and like everything would go basically wrong hahaha..i dont know im just going to see how things go over the next week or so and then i will decied on what to do if things get worse...

man i cant jsut go tell her parents then i would be fucked and like everything would go basically wrong hahaha

Wait a minute, this is about her... not you. What ever sacrafice you think you're making it's worth it.


..i dont know im just going to see how things go over the next week or so and then i will decied on what to do if things get worse...

I'm just going to wait and see if this gangreen gets any better and decide what to do if if things get worse. Knowing the right thing to do is easy. Doing it takes balls.

yah crunchy cat your right it is about her and not me and i should make the sacrifice.. if it gets worse...there is also a few other things that im lerning about her well i kinda knew about which might be making things worse involving addictions and what not which seems to be my worse enemy (which is making everything make more sence) of the other shit that i talked about earlier ... if worst comes to worst then ill have to make that large jump and try and fix things involving the parents this is the worst case senario, tho i think me persionally might be able to help her out and i ill contuinue to.. we will have to see tho..

i still wish i could explainfully some of the things that have happened around us tho which still are unknown to me...

Ember-to-Inferno -

I absolutely, unequivocally believe in a spiritual/unseen world. It is real, it does exist, there are various planes of existence and anyone who tells you otherwise is foolish. In order to understand the spiritual world and the forces within it you have to be open to trust and have faith in one thing alone...that is the acknowledgement of the power of the name of Jesus! Look..everyone has an opinion and I respect other opinions but I am speaking from experience and my personal convictions. No other name or belief will heal a broken soul than a belief and connection with Jesus Christ..I truly believe this. Now...I believe that there are many problems that exist concerning biblical understanding and separating fact from fiction. I have concluded that it is not important that we understand every minute detail about scripture at this point in our existence because we will all become a part of consciousness once we leave our bodies..we are spiritual beings having a human experience. Our faith is what keeps us glued together..believing in something or someone. Understanding Jesus and the power that lies within the name can only be attained through a lot of prayer, fasting, meditation, etc. in other words, fighting spiritual battles require a belief in the spiritual world. Do research on spiritul warfare and study various passages within the new testament concerning spiritual warfare. I don't care what others think of my response because the only one living my life is me and I know what I am talking about...the spirit realm is very very real, energy is very real, and dedicating you life to Christ is essential for spiritual growth and the understanding of unseen and supernatural forces. Trust me...

hi im new and im trying to make sum friends but only 2 people will talk to me one of them is really nice but the other one is really mean to me coz of my name. how r u?

mabye more people would be polight to you and mabye become your freinds if you went into the conversation with something related to the topic of the thread..? but yah hey nic to meet you also Blkice nice oppinion i agree wiht you deeply about there beeing a spirtiual world or diffrent planes of this reality. and i also think there are many negitive entities out there more then somone would think but persoanlly i dont beliive in chirst or a religion fo that matter hmmm

what is most important, ember-to-inferno.....
do the right thing, and dont leave these problems to just yourself and your friend. it is obvious that you lack qualifications to deal with this problem, since you are on a science forum asking for help diagnosing the problem.
i dont mean to be rude...what i mean is this:
get your friend some help, before it is too late for her----regardless of what the problem actually is.
1. if demons are scratching your friend or whatever, that is a serious problem that should be dealt with, rather than talked about.
2. if she is cutting herself, or whatever, this is also a serious problem that should be dealt with, rather than talked about.

in conclusion, DO something for your friend. she obviously needs help in one area or another. tell her parents, tell a priest, tell a doctor...anything is better than nothing, in my opinion.

what is most important, ember-to-inferno.....
do the right thing, and dont leave these problems to just yourself and your friend. it is obvious that you lack qualifications to deal with this problem, since you are on a science forum asking for help diagnosing the problem.

in conclusion, DO something for your friend. she obviously needs help in one area or another. tell her parents, tell a priest, tell a doctor...anything is better than nothing, in my opinion.

Exactly.

lol, you editing mutha!!
:p

ok seroisly i no these things need to be dealt wiht but they come and go and now that ive been haning out wiht her basically everyday they seem to be getting better slowly.. and she int cutting her self she isnt that stupid.. i just wanted some oppinions and a help of advice frm some of you guys which i have gotten and i am very greatful for.. and trust me if things do get worse and what not im going to tell somone just not yet i need to wait a bit longer to understand a few more things.. the things i told you befo i described them vagly so there is more to the things thati have previously stated.. i just need to give it time... and another thing is its not that i lack the qualifications to help her its just i personally like to hear other poeples oppinions on certian matter

Don't buy into religion to fix this. Most of the time certain Charlatan's would inflict misery on others just to cure them of their ailments.

As for your age's being a concern in this, it's definitely true. There are two lines of thought, that which doctors will profess as being textbook (psychological ailments, the teenage mind developing while also the body develops too etc), while I do suggest an alternative thats more the concern of being a Victim of either Psychological or Parapsychological research (all very humanly made.)

If your friend is placed onto a psychological database, then expect them to always bring up her psychological state in the future.

I do suggest that she however does report what she see's to her parents and doctors.

As my fear is that certain types of technology could be misused by people to manipulate hysteria and belief in the supernatural for one, and for their own Paedophilia pursuits for another. (For instance a young virgin girl being abused through such equipment questions the morality of those using the equipment.)

I'm not asking you to join in the espionage conspiracy I have, however you might want to check www.mindjustice.org as it too will state how some people have "demonic thoughts" thrust into them by their assailants.

it sounds more like you want to "save the damsel in distress" yourself. in that case, you are harming this girl more than you are helping.

tell someone.
keeping it secret only reveals a selfish agenda.

Actually not so much the "Damsel in Distress", just sick of the world full of bullsh*t.

lol, you editing mutha!!
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awwwww yeaaaaahhhhhhh

Blkice, you have a point but poor wording....

I'm curious, does she harm herself or act out of the ordinary in front of her parents (or other adults)?

This is almost certainly schizophrenia, not demon possession. The onset of symptoms is usually in the late teens, early 20's. My friend has the same thing. Although he's not a Christian exactly, he is what I would call excessively religious. Often they don't know what's happening to them, and frame it in religious terms. He would see things that weren't there, feel connections with strangers...one time he saw a kid and said it was his future son. He scribbled strange things in notebooks too. My advice is not to wait until the symptoms get really bad so she can no longer function in society, but get her to some kind of psychologist that can prescribe anti-psychotic medication. The good news is that it's a treatable condition, although there is no cure yet. Believe me, the situations you describe are frighteningly similar to my friend's case. What does her family think? Having a support network of friends and family will be vital to her recovery.

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Oh, you haven't told her parents. You must but it's also important not to be too confrontational to her. Physical symptoms are possible with schizophrenia. My friend's face got puffy and red during an episode. She may be fine in between episodes, and stress can set off a reaction. She probably has trouble sleeping, too.

spidergoat,

symptoms mean nothing.
why would "schizophrenia" be a "disease"?

there have been many people in history who have been considered as "sick", but they themselves have known that they're not "sick".

yeah tis stupid fukin culture' answer--'anti-psychotic medicin'---what a scam that is. itmeans jck shit. what it does isdamages te bran is wat it does. so person/victim is ven worse of tqn befo. but te psychologicall-led-by-henose-dupes dont care. they got their 'peaceful- life. they dont have to tink, wonder, explore WHY, they just drug and zombify

I personally think there are more suicides caused by "Drugged Zombies" than those that don't undergo medical treatment. I'm sure there are probably figures to prove/disprove this but then we'd have a question about how reputable those figures are.

What I left out previously was that in certain Parapsychological experiments, the uses of vile images of mutilations etc were used to study if ESP was real. If the girl in question is fooling herself into believing she has ESP and can see premonitions certain studygroups might utilise such inserted imagery to check. So quite simply she's best denying all of it to herself and to others.

I do state though the images are artificial, my original concern though was potential cultist or paedophile activity in conjunction with such "Parapsychological investigators" afterall they don't exactly checkout parapsychologists before letting them mess with electronic equipment.

peope stigmatized wit the label 'schizophrenic' resent such propaganda. that they're all potential murders. i hope you listen and learn. because such shit does NOThelp anything..!

My advice is that you forget all that demon stuff, the world is crazier than you think, with ideas of sorts spinning left right center. I don't know but psychologists believe that people who see demons have a predisposed fear and respect for demons. To me if you are obsesses with anything that thing is your demon, sort of like endless hours of reading or playing PS2. I personally don't believe in Gods because there are just too many to choose from, I'd rather not follow any than to offend another, besides the whole idea just sounds too creepy. The number 1 doesn't really exist but its use makes it withstanding, thats the way most things work-Utility. Take out the utility and you will be fine, my guess is that your friend is a devout christian follower who believes in good and evil. Take your mate to an excorcist or call John constantine, if all else fails take him to the psychotic clinic.

I hope the inexperienced that ridicule both anti-psychotic medication and the fact of schizophrenia get a chance to spend some time with a person suffering from this condition, because in most cases they really do suffer, and there have been many cases of anti-psychotic medication relieving that suffering. It's not just a fanatical devotion to normality that leads me to think that if these people are able to sleep, feed themselves, have friends, ect., that their lives are better.

Calling someone schizophrenic does not imply that they are potential murderers or bad people, that's an unfair cultural prejudice. The fact is schizophrenics are often unable to recognize their illness, since a major symptom is an inability to separate reality from fantasy and hallucination.

oh, you mean not 'have INSIGHT into teir condition?' that is shrink talk alright, and is used as ameans to take all human rights away from their victims

look spidergoat. i am not stupid. i am aware tat some people can get very disturbed etc. BUT the ANSWER. te only answer from this culture is 'anti-psychotc medicine' whcih actually damages the nervous system.

so. to understand the fallacy of 'our answer' is first priority, dont you think?

why?

bcause it is based on phony science is why!

A certain amount of understanding your condition is helpful, but it only goes so far. Of course I can't recommend medication for everyone, because there are a wide variety of helpful substances and harmful side effects. Some people never find a drug that helps them, and some people do. Treatment of mental illness has a questionable history, but the alternatives- lack of any treatment, (or even worse, theories of demonic possession)- are even more horrifying.

You could question the safety of medications, but it's the only thing that has been proven to work. Someday there will be something better, I'm sure.

Ember it sounds like your friend is sufferring from schitzophrenia and needs medical attention.

Drop the demons...dream of nice stuff...remember that you got one life...and demons are not part of it...thinking of fear brings demons...your philosophy of life is wrong then if you enjoy dreaming of demons. Take my advice: dream of something that makes peace with yourself, if you have demons in your dream still, then make those demons act nicely and do good deeds, make them behave like they were not demons, make yourself not fear them, change them to images of friends...not friends of evil...but friends who had been given a new meaning to life. In other words...change yourself and yourself only...dont watch horror movies or porno...watch movies with nature and romance...go and enjoy life and make every second of life count...make good deeds to feel better and consiquently making others feel better. blah blah blah i know...but thats how it works.

Is this really the "friend" we are talking about here? Either way, if the symptoms are true, it sounds like schizophrenia to me.

You many want to confer with reference sources such as
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia and I would strongly recommend medical attention.

Is this really the "friend" we are talking about here? Either way, if the symptoms are true, it sounds like schizophrenia to me.
exactly my view as posted just above, symptoms spot on

This post isn't so much on the topic, however I remember something funny someone said when I noticed something had a Wiki entry. He said something like "I wouldn't be suprised if an Ex-Girlfriend has written and entry about me", the statement meaning that the problem with Wiki is anybody can write an entry.

As people have mentioned before Schizophrenia is just a Noun slapped ontop of hundreds of different ailments/disorders and even Mis-diagnosises. I know a number of posters have stated previously that such instances are really at first a wind-up, then either a disorder or something worse.

The problem is the medical profession is only too quick to place a diagnosis based upon their assumptions that just so happen to be in their particular genre. In some cases if they were given more information it would actually undermine their jobs and expertise.

actually, a simple scan of the brain (mri, cat scan) can reveal schizophrenia.

actually, a simple scan of the brain (mri, cat scan) can reveal schizophrenia.
oh no they most certainly cannot. You are carrying on the myth of mental illness aren't you? albeit, probably Unconsciously.

Deudy is right, Scan's can't reveal psychological disorders, all they can reveal is what long term abuse or mistreatment causes. What really annoys me is they look to certain lobes developing greater mass andblame a condition or illness and tend to forget about the pea-soup of radiological waveforms that surround us in our atmosphere.

Most of the studies done to date on radiology have usually consisted of Identifying if a singular waveform is a threat, and not the overall pea-soup that so many transmitters causes.

Actually I think we are dealing with entirely different aspect here...this user...who made this thread...check out his profile.

Interests:
life... people... anthropology

So his probable major is antropology...and antropology is study of humans. By sharing a story of supposevly demonic possessions he had, he has made a close contact with other members to reveal if they had any such possessions...what he is doing here is trying to evoke an argument and based on that argument make specific conclusion on how people/society handles such possessions, what does society see when someone has something like this. I believe the conclusion this person made is: whereas one declares of his/her demonic possession, the society reacts by isolating a person and by identifying the person as having szchizophrenia.

Doing all this at 18 years old? Doubt it.

oh no they most certainly cannot. You are carrying on the myth of mental illness aren't you? albeit, probably Unconsciously.

duendy: i believe in demonic possession.


and yes, it most certainly CAN reveal schizophrenia. that particular disorder actually causes PHYSICAL damage to the brain, after an indefinite period of time. the brain appears to atrophy in specific areas in the cases of long term patients. look it up.

you know im going to add that age does not mean anything at all the fact that im 18 lol means nothing maturity level and what the person has experianced in his life is what matters

ooo dragon dragon dragon hahahaha man i liek you thats all im going to say well yes i am intresated in people and anthropolgy and i have gotten great iinght on peoples belives on this topic.. this topic was acaully about my freind everything i said was true i just waned diffrent peoples oppinions and i wanted to see how yes people reacted to this topic since it is on my intrest right now but if discoverd a few things and things are going good with her well alot better then befor hopefully theystay that way.... she is acaully dropping out of school to go to slovakia to get away from certain things here and addiction this should help her alot even tho shes not going to ahve a freind to turn to o well she needs the break from this place school for her will go back into session next year...

it is intresting i might add about how all of you came up with diffrent mental diseses and i really liked all the oppinions you all gave i really apprecieate it acually thanks alot

im going to ask what do all of you think about the word insanity? is this a mental disorder, a series of mental disorders? or is it just a man made term handed out by the government to futher help isolate certian people for having diffrent belives/thinking diffrently from the rest of the masses...

in my oppinion insanity=geniuse or is a hair line away from geniuse

I believe the conclusion this person made is: whereas one declares of his/her demonic possession, the society reacts by isolating a person and by identifying the person as having szchizophrenia.[/QUOTE]



and the prize goes to dragon for seeing the exact same thing i already thought was going to happen but that is completely ok because i still got alot of valuble information from all of you and like i said befor i would like to thank you all for putting heart into each of your posts you all made i like the fact of knowing if i ever have a question or a thoug in my head or an expectation or even an oppinion i can come to this website share it and get other peopels views/oppinions on the matter its a good feeling to have

Why won't you tell us her age?

we aren't just 'conscious' beings. we also have the unconscious. when conscious mind fees compelled by powerful unconscious motivation is when people may feel 'demonically possessed'.

a good example of this. some time back i saw a fascinating documentary about a woman who falls in love wit a serial killer. she gets close to him---he is on death row--an h paints and draws her -ictures to try explain how he felt when about to do his murders.

Actualy this atory is even weirder than i am making out. i was watching this programming at te tail end of a shroom trip, so it was extraordinailry powerful, and involved synchronicity---but i dont want to over complicate my story

OK, he drew these pics, and said how when he was about to commit murder he felt like "meat puppet"---and that he was possessed by--have forgotname of of tis 'entity, have all tis writ down somewhere--an entity, and felyt utterly powerless.
One of thepics, showed a face with eyes, and one of te eyes was distended and looed like a skull!
so, this is an example of the power of the unconscious. when there happens some trauma and rthe unresolved energy of it lies kind of dormnyt, then can happen te feeling of being taken over/possessed.

other 'milder' forms can be 'obsessive compulsion', 'addictions' etc etc etc

But this guy didn't have a mental illness, right Duendy? Was he just operating under a different - but equally valid - world view?

well i can only speak for myself
but i have personally seen 2 of my friends in the past become possessed by the devil
or whatever it woudl be
first of all when they woudl become taken over their head would look towards the ground
they wouldnt be able to tell me they were taken over while they were
whatever it was would pretend to continue being the person
one friend i assumed was constantly taken over because every time i woudl talk to them about it they woudln't be able to talk about it and would change the subject like he was taken over again every time
also i could see another face inside of theirs
it would ussualyl be the most intense after longer periods of time without sleep
this was with the more serious old friend of mine and im not going to get too deep into it

my other friend was basically taken over one night after i told that first one off on the phone and to basically fuck off
i pretty much knew it was going to happen
once again i hadnt slept for quite a few days at this time
and with this friend i would see his face change colors
his face would go back and forth between the color bright bright purple and whatever else i cant remember
but this time was pretty messed up he kept pretending to be my friend and it was hard to tell sometimes which person it was
but he kept telling me to look into these two reflecting mirrors and picture my face in it etc...
also he would keep playing with the smoke from the cigarrete he was holding with his mind and stuff like that
i could tell he was fighting whatever it was takign him over though because he kept changing color and he was goign back and fother between himself and whatever it was
i actually helped him overcome whatever it was and after he told me it was the worst feeling ever like he was trapped inside his own body and couldnt control what he was saying
i knew it was sincere because he jstu had to cry because of the pain he felt and crashed for abotu a day after this

get more sleep.

i'm not asking for advice on this
someone asked for signs and symptoms so i am giving my personal experience as what to expect

But this guy didn't have a mental illness, right Duendy? Was he just operating under a different - but equally valid - world view?
no. as i have said here and elewhere on tese boards, mental illness is a myth. it is not a biological disease but behaviour deemed unACCEPTABLE. TIS CAN INCLUDE UNHAPPINESS, HYPERACTIVITY, SEEING VISIONS AND THE DARK DOINGS OF A SERIAL KILLER (ooops sorry about caps. i'm not shouting)

was he operatig under another equally valid wordview?
no, he was evil. what he was doing was utterly vile and evil and criminal. of course it was his worldview when he chose to do it, but he stated he felt takien over. wheter he said tis to lessen his sentence we dont know. but we D know ourselves dont we, tat sometimes we feel driven, or whatever. everyone do. but in cases like his it is extreme. as it is for tose who do habitual tings over and over and feelthey have no control. like gambling, shoppin, doin hard drugs, even workin etc. there is te feeling of being obsessed---compulsed

now w is talking about 'demonic' possession. tis man s we have got to know te history and mythology of 'demons'/ whats tat all mean? 'evil spirits' . where's this concept come from? how far back

from what i have gleaned it come ffrom far back. it is the idea of good and bad spirits, and one needs protection from te evil spirits. some tribes would try and appease certain spirits

so i see it as a floow on from when--FROM a prmal animistic insight of undifferentiated spirit throughot material reality, for some mindsets, the concept develops tat spirits are BEHIND events, like wind, rain, rivers, trees, etc etc. with me? so it becomes person-alized. and at first tese 'spirits' are ambiguous. like us can b good or bad. but tem devlops idea of good versus bad spirits. te culmination of this is wit the ultimate dualism of te Christian faith qhich believes in an al-good 'God' and an all bad @divil' and hs demons. so thisbeliefe is also interNaliZed--as its makers INTENDED so as to divide and rule. because IF they can have you in inner conflict we are more easier to oppress, making us cling to a 'ood' authority

this cultire does oppress, and doesn't like free expression of whole slf. so elements of yur selves become repressed, and for some can seem demonic in the negative sense. I modern terms,the un-conscious energies can seem to overpower our acculturaized idea of te 'ego'

no. as i have said here and elewhere on tese boards, mental illness is a myth.

Most 'myths' are true.

(ooops sorry about caps. i'm not shouting)

I don't care if you're not shouting.

now w is talking about 'demonic' possession. tis man s we have got to know te history and mythology of 'demons'/ whats tat all mean?

I don't care what it means.

because IF they can have you in inner conflict we are more easier to oppress, making us cling to a 'ood' authority

They can't do a shit.

Check out this story on demon possession (http://virginiaghosts.com/exorcism_of_emily_rose.php)

It sounds a lot like the same situation.