Many people on this board are fond of calling Republicans Nazis. It's a constant refrain, "Bush is a fascist!" Meanwhile, I've been hearing reports of Gestapo tactics by the left throughout this extended campaign. The Drudge Report is currently listing three seperate reports of violent attacks on Republicans.
ORLANDO, Fla. -- A group of protestors stormed and then ransacked a Bush-Cheney headquarters building in Orlando, Fla., Tuesday, according to Local 6 News. http://www.local6.com/politics/3785861/detail.html

An unknown gunman fired several shots into the Bearden, Tenn., Bush-Cheney campaign office Tuesday, WBIR-TV in Knoxville reported. http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20041005-024050-1855r.htm

The Secret Service was contacted Friday to help investigate a shot fired at the Cabell County Republican headquarters in Huntington.
Supporters of President Bush had gathered at the 4th Avenue headquarters Thursday night to watch the president accept his party's nomination. About two minutes into the speech, someone fired a shot through the front window of the building.http://wowktv.com/news/index.cfm?newsItemID=1320

The question is: who's the fascist?

I don't get your point at all.
What does this have to do with Kerry?
Who is running against Bush, these fanatical freaks, or Kerry?

You can easily come up with just as many (if not more) right-wingnuts (abortion clinic bombings, anyone?) as left wingnuts.
That is entriely beside the point and of no issue in the presidential campaigns.

I've not heard of any "right wing nuts" attacking any democratic campaign headquarters. I'm not saying that Kerry is secretly coordinating these attacks. It's simply a commentary on the mentality of the left. These freaks ARE fascists, attempting to achieve their political goals thru violence and intimidation.

I see.
:rolleyes:

The first story is just ludicrous.
While in the building, some of the protestors drew horns and a mustache on a poster of President George W. Bush and poured piles of letters in the office, according to the report.

Yes, dumping mail and drawing moustaches, those infamous fascist tactics!

The second two are far more serious. Some nut with a gun shooting windows out could cause serious harm.

But who are they? There is no way to know if they are far left or far right. Bush's support goes pretty far right, but then you have those who go off the deep end, and they don't support Bush at all.

Like this guy:
Like most Republicans, I supported Bush the last time, but have finally been forced to the conclusion that the immigration-reduction cause, and the conservative cause generally, would be better off if he lost in 2004. So I urge the reader to withhold his vote and write the president why.

The calculation of the Bush administration and the globalist wing of the Republican party is very simple: they can count on your voting Republican in November no matter what. Therefore, they believe that they can get away with anything they want, and that if they get away with it this time, they will be able to get away with it next time, and the time after that, forever.

Frankly, they are right unless conservative voters do something to disrupt this calculus.

Karl Rove is right now telling Bush that he doesn't have to fear a revolt from anti-globalist Republicans because "they have nowhere to go." Well, they've forgotten a great American place: home.

I'm not suggesting you vote Democrat, it being an entirely different matter to actually support the opposition as opposed to withholding your vote from your own party when it strays from its principles. But I am suggesting that you either not cast a vote for president or write in a suitable protest candidate. Rep. Tom Tancredo of Colorado, an old acquaintance and founding chairman of the House Immigration Reform Caucus, would be the obvious choice.

Even before Bush announced his proposal to legalize virtually all illegal aliens in this country and open the borders to everyone on the globe who can underbid an American for a job, many conservatives were critical of him. Here's a partial list of why:

· He endorsed the revolutionary Grutter decision that placed nakedly anti-white racial preferences in the U.S. Constitution.

· He has refused to tell the truth about the 1,300-year-old civilizational war we are in, calling our Islamist enemies merely "terrorists," as if they were a threat on a par with the ETA or the Weathermen.

· He has subjected the American people to intrusive random security checks at airports while continuing to protect Muslim foreigners from the racial profiling their own countries practice.

· He has left in office high-level Clinton appointees whose competence and patriotism are dubious and whose ideology is openly liberal.

· He has left in place a feminist agenda in the armed forces which kills women and impairs our defense.

· He has pushed and signed the insanely egalitarian, hugely expensive, and unconstitutional "No Child Left Behind" Act.

· He has legitimated the white-guilt theory that is rotting Western Civilization, giving a speech in Africa denouncing historic white America in terms that exceeded Bill Clinton.

· Then he sent $15 billion to African dictators under the guise of fighting AIDS, a disease almost wholly caused by immoral living.

· He has forced America’s most vulnerable ally to risk her national survival kowtowing to terrorists under the delusion that they are incipient democrats.

· He has declined to respond in any serious way to the Democrats' outrageous blockade of his judicial appointments.

· He has renewed the funding of the radical anti-American organization UNICEF.

· He has signed the largest expansion of the federal welfare state in a generation, the funding of prescription drugs for Medicare recipients.

· He has signed the patently unconstitutional McCain-Feingold law, the aim of which is to subject political speech to bureaucratic controls as in the soft-totalitarian European Union.

· He has sought to buy off social conservatives with his faith-based initiative which, far from helping strengthen religion in America, will co-opt churches and other religious organizations by making them dependent on federal largesse.

· He has evaded the issue of gay marriage and then proposed a constitutionally-dangerous amendment that he knows will be almost impossible to pass.

· He has continued the free-trade extremism that is gutting America’s industrial base and has given us a jobless recovery.
As a result of these betrayals of conservative principles, Bush was barely deserving of support prior to his (latest) immigration-expansion initiative. With it, he has finally crossed the line into being a proactively destructive force in American life who must be stopped before he destroys the Republican party, the country, or both.

I am inexorably forced to the following conclusion: Bush is no more than a wolf in sheep’s clothing, a liberal and a globalist who merely pretends to be a conservative, like he pretends to perform manual labor on his luxury ranch in Crawford, in order to get elected. He proactively believes in the racial sodomization of America, in globalism, in his fantasy that everyone in the world, in the Middle East as in California, is going to just forget the intergroup conflicts that have been the driving force of history for thousands of years and just “get along” under a bright blue sky of stock options. He even sees a family interest, through the future career of his dynastic heir his nephew, in the Hispanicization of America. His idiocy is not the product of mistaken advice and it is not the product of tactics: he genuinely believes in every dumb thing he says and every dumb thing he does. He is not our friend; he is just another sector of enemy territory.
http://www.americandaily.com/article/4687

Now I could definitely see someone who reads and wholeheartedly agrees with all of that BS taking a gun to Bush campaign headquarters.
But, it could be a Kerry supporter. Or a Nader supporter. Who knows?
It isn't hard to find similar incidents on the other side.

Kerry HQ vandalized
Thursday, September 02, 2004
CHRONICLE NEWS SERVICE

Someone tossed a cement chunk through a storefront window of the local John Kerry presidential campaign headquarters in an act of vandalism a Democratic official said appeared to be politically motivated.

"They could have gone through any number of storefronts, so I don't think it was an accident," said John Otterbacher, Kent County spokesman for the Democratic presidential ticket.

Local campaign official Jim Rinck said nothing was taken from inside the headquarters during the vandalism early Tuesday.

Kim Yob, chairwoman of the Kent County Republican Party, said she was sorry to hear of the vandalism but dismissed the possibility of any Republicans being involved.

"We're not yelling at Democrats, telling them we hate them," said Yob, who The Grand Rapids Press contacted at the Republican National Convention. "But out here in New York, these (protesters) are out of control. I'm walking down the street and some people were screaming, 'I hate Republicans.' "

http://www.mlive.com/news/muchronicle/index.ssf?/base/news-3/109413643335820.xml

I settle for flipping off Bush signs.

I'd be interested in how madanthonywayne knows that these mystery shooters were Democrats. Maybe he can reveal the source of these revelations.

Republicans aren't facist, the Neo-cons are. The Bush administration isn't Republican, they aren't conservative. These protesters aren't controlled by a strong central authority, but responding to their own sense of outrage. Obviously the Democrats would never endorse drive-by shootings as a valid form of protest. The Bush compaign actively supresses dissent at their rallys, if you wear an anti-Bush T-shirt, you get arrested, not to mention that they have you register as a Bush supporter before they even let you in to see your president- that doesn't sound like freedom to me.

if republicans in general are fascist then democrats would be communists.

Bush's hometown paper endorses Kerry, and the right wingers go nuts.
We do understand peoples’ rights to pull subscriptions and ads, and to express a differing opinion, but we have some trouble understanding threats and payback since in politics there are often a variety of options. For the publishers to herald one of the options should be no cause for persecution.
When you think about it, editorials are often displayed in people’s yards with campaign signs. These are endorsements by residents. Is it proper to persecute them for stating their opinions in this manner if you disagree with their choices? Should they be harassed and threatened? We don’t think so.
Unfortunately, for the Iconoclast and its publishers there have been threats — big ones including physical harm.
Too, some individuals are threatening innocent commercial concerns, claiming that if they advertise in The Iconoclast, they will be run out of business. We consider this improper in a democracy.
Several young members of our staff covering Tonkawa Traditions this past weekend were angrily harassed and threatened that they must leave, which cut short their ability to fully do their jobs and instilled in them considerable fear for their safety. These reporters had nothing to do with that editorial. They were part-time college students working to pay their way through school and better themselves.
Although several members of the community are upset at the newspaper, there are still those who want us to continue with local coverage as we have in the past. We do have concern for the safety of our staff, however, and find it troubling when they are bullied and cannot do their jobs.

http://www.iconoclast-texas.com/Columns/Editorial/editorial40.htm

And then there are the hate mail letters that Ted Rall has received:
It's That Time Again

That's right...it's even more right-wing extremist hate mail from the Bushists! This time they're angry about this week's column, wherein I posit that the GOP may well get the trouble they were asking for when they decided to exploit the Democratic dead of 9/11 by holding their Necropublican National Convention to coincide with the 3rd anniversary of 9/11. As usual, they're pissed off, annoyed and just plain shocked at the thought that they aren't beloved here in the capital of liberal America, the home of Ground Zero. And as usual, the righties are obscene, illiterate and violent.

Of course, obscene, illiterate and violent is a synonym for today's psychotic GOP.

Here we go:

From rfdrj@netscape.net:

You are a goddamned leftwing piece of shit loser asshole..............

From lonesomevow@hotmail.com:

You sir are a traitor-North Korea, I am sure, would welcome you.

From Pirate2159@aol.com:

Mr. Rall,

You brainless shitdick. In response to your overt call for violence and antisocial behavior toward the Republican guests to NYC, including the amazing call for "children to yell obscenities at you," I can only hope that if the terrorists who hate us as much as you do come to kill Americans again, and if some must die, that you are among the first. I pray that only those of your ill will are harmed.
Jerry Hurtubise
Homewood, IL

From jmjohn109@yahoo.com:

"the hapless saps"
You my friend are a steaming pile of pile of dog shit
unworthy of the seconds necessary to draft this note.
Your brethren exposed your attitudes to the center who
decide our elections with the Paul Wellstone RALLY
funeral and continue to alienate with each thought &
action. Please continue. You are correct GW is not a
great choice. However, I would rather vote for a
chimp than align myself with the vermin that populate
your idealogical village. You my friend are the GOP's
best friend.

From frank.brady@sbcglobal.net:

What's your slogan, you putrid little faggot?
Ass-lickers of the world, Unite?

http://www.rall.com/2004_08_01_archive.html

Liberals are amateurs at this sort of thing.

It may be unrelated, or the shooting may have been a diversionary tactic; either way, a bank was robbed near the GOP headquarters in knoxville.
In an unexpected twist, a bank directly across the street from the headquarters was robbed as KPD officers were busy investigating at the scene of the shooting.
http://www.wbir.com/news/search_article.aspx?storyid=20241

Remember the bit with the bug in Karl's office?

Remember the bit with the bug in Karl's office?

No I don't, enlighten me.

There is a story on record in Texas, and it's a quiet one the Dems don't pull out very often, but we heard about it recently when someone posed the question of whether the GOP could have conned CBS on the guard-service memos.

The story was revisited a few years ago, during the 2000 campaign, in the wake of a videotape scandal:

In October of 1986, Rove was working for Republican Bill Clements in his race against then-Gov. Mark White. A few days before the candidates were to debate, Rove discovered a listening device that had been planted behind a needlepoint picture of an elephant hanging on his wall. The FBI investigated. Accusations and counteraccusations were made. But no charges were ever brought, and the matter slowly dissipated, amid general speculation that Rove had planted the bug himself . . . .

. . . . In 1986, when Rove was working for Clements, the chief spokesperson for White was an idealistic young turk named Mark McKinnon. It is "outrageous and sad that Rove would suggest the White campaign would be involved in a matter like this," McKinnon told the Austin American-Statesman at the time. Calling the bugging incident "bizarre and incredible," McKinnon said the Clements campaign was "desperate and frayed at the edges."

There's more. The bug was reportedly responsible for tipping Democrats that the Clements campaign had recently hired a Washington-based consultant, whom Rove and Clements campaign manager George Bayoud had discussed hiring over the phone shortly before the matter was mysteriously leaked. The consultant was a sometime blues guitar player renowned for his facility with attack ads and dirty tricks. His name: Lee Atwater.

Oh, one other fact about the 1986 incident stands out: Rove's candidate won that year.

Austin Chronicle (http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2000-09-29/pols_naked3.html)

The above was written during the last presidential cycle, in the wake of a scandal surrounding a "stolen" videotape removed from the office of the very same Mark McKinnon you find amid the bugging hoopla.
_____________________

• Bryce, Robert. "Stark Roving Mad". Austin Chronicle, September 29, 2000. See http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2000-09-29/pols_naked3.html

More evidence of Democratic Brown Shirts:

Last week, in Orlando, Fla., approximately 60 union protestors stormed and ransacked the local Bush-Cheney headquarters causing considerable damage and injuring one campaign staffer, who suffered a broken wrist.

According to an Orlando Police Department report, Rhyan Metzler, a field director for the Republican Party, was at the headquarters about 1 p.m. last Tuesday when 60 protestors barged in. Van Church, a 53-year old protestor, forced the door open and caused Mr. Metzler's arm to be caught in it. His left wrist was fractured in the altercation. Police say Mr. Church will be charged with two counts of battery.

But Mr. Church is unrepentant. "If his wrist was fractured, it's a result of his own actions in jerking the door the way he did," he told the Orlando Sentinel. "He jerked the door out of my hand and cut it in the process." But since it is Mr. Church who is being charged, the police apparently didn't think Mr. Metzler did anything wrong.

Orlando's fracas was mirrored in Miami, where police reported that more than 100 union protestors stormed the Bush-Cheney office and shoved volunteers aside. No one was charged because most of the protestors left before the police arrived. In Tampa, about 35 protestors filled the local GOP office and intimidated the elderly volunteers working there.

The AFL-CIO took credit on its Web site for similar demonstrations--apparently all coordinated--in Independence, Mo., Kansas City, Mo., Dearborn, Mich., St. Paul, Minn., and West Allis, Wis. In what could be a related incident, the Bush-Cheney office in Knoxville, Tenn., had its plate-glass windows shattered by gunfire on Tuesday morning before volunteers showed up for work. Another Republican office, in Seattle, was broken into and had computer files stolen. http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110005741

Apparently, some of this stuff is being coordinated.

Gosh how terrible!
Everybody knows that removing the vote from people likely to vote against you is the best method for getting elected.
The Dems should put down their guns and employ that company that GW used to rig the last election.

Violence is so old fashioned.
Dee Cee

Ya know, these things aren't happening for no reason... regardless if they are "attacks" from the left or the right, they are in direct retaliation to the policies of the "republicans" (read: neo-cons) Maybe if they weren't so bent on taking over the world instead of representing and taking care of the American public, none of this would be happening.

Oh, and if G.W. does win, you better take your Bush stickers off your car. I've heard reports that people are going to throw bricks through a few windows.

Debra Booth, president of the Central Florida AFL-CIO, described the protest as "peaceful" and said the hand of one of the protesters was cut because of scuffling at the door.

"It was a peaceful action and (Republicans) turned it into something raucous for publicity," Booth said.

In Miami, more than 100 union protesters stormed the Bush-Cheney campaign office and pushed volunteers inside, police said. No one was arrested and most of the protesters had left by the time police arrived, said Miami police spokesman Delrish Moss.

Union workers tried to leave hundreds of post cards for President Bush and demanded a meeting with Labor Secretary Elaine Chao.

Lenny Alvicar, spokesman for the Bush-Cheney campaign in Miami, said about 20 volunteers, including elderly people working phone banks, were at the headquarters when the union workers came inside. The protesters chanted, tried to put stickers on the walls and removed campaign signs. Other protesters blocked the street outside, he said.

Countered South Florida AFL-CIO president Fred Frost: "It was as civil as it gets." Source (http://ap.tbo.com/ap/florida/MGBW48MMYZD.html)

Fred Frost, president of the South Florida AFL-CIO, said it was all done with good intentions and in a clean manner.

''I was the first one in the door,'' Frost said. ``Were we loud in there? Yes, we were because working people are fed up. All we were saying was stop taking our overtime away.''

Kerry campaign spokesman Matthew Miller called the accusation ''outrageous'' and said the protesters had no affiliation with the Kerry campaign.

''We don't condone any acts of violence,'' Miller said. ``For the Bush campaign to talk about anyone being negative is the height of hypocrisy. George Bush has run the most negative campaign in history.''

In Tampa, police spokeswoman Laura McElroy said no laws were violated, but that a couple of Bush staffers felt intimidated enough to flee the front of the office and call 911.

Miami-Dade union activist Carolina Delgado called The Herald and other media outlets to tell them about the national demonstration against eliminating overtime.

Delgado said the AFL-CIO was ``bringing back protest.''

Asked what the group planned, she said, ``actually we're storming into an office.'' source (http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/9845252.htm?1c)

Maybe Bush and Co. should try not pissing people off so much, taking away overtime, do they really think people will sit still for that?

Hey, both the right and the left have its own share of crazies. Nobody denies that. But which side is the one putting the likes of John Ashcroft as Attorney-General?

You people are nuts. These are Gestapo tactics and are not justified by the fact that George Bush "pissed them off". Here's a letter sent by the Bush campaign to the AFL CIO:


Mr. John Sweeney
President
AFL-CIO
815 16th Street, N.W.
Washington, DC 20006
October 11, 2004

Dear Mr. Sweeney:

Over the past several weeks, acts of violence and vandalism have occurred at Republican and Bush-Cheney campaign headquarters across the country. In addition to the injuries, property damage and disruption associated with these acts, these events have created a threatening and intimidating atmosphere abhorrent to our democratic process.

On October 5th, according to news reports, witnesses, police reports and admissions of your members, the AFL-CIO, as part of a national strategy, protested at more than a dozen of our campaign and party headquarters across the country. In many locations, the protestors attempted to enter, or entered, campaign or party facilities. As one protestor said, "Actually, we're storming into an office." In Orlando, Florida, injuries and damage were sustained. Protestors forced their way into the facility, fracturing the arm of one staffer, and vandalized the office. In Michigan, protestors entered a headquarters and engaged in activities apparently intended to disrupt volunteers trying to make phone calls.

Protests by your organization come on the heels of several other incidents at Bush-Cheney '04 offices around the country, including a break-in at our Seattle office where laptop computers were stolen from the Washington State Bush-Cheney ’04 executive director and the state Republican Party 72-hour director. Just last night in Canton, Ohio, a Bush-Cheney '04 staffer was forced to lock herself in an office while another break-in was in progress. The facility was seriously damaged and property was stolen. Additionally, gun shots have been fired into Bush-Cheney '04 offices in West Virginia, Florida and Tennessee, windows broken in West Virginia and campaign staffers threatened. In Wisconsin, a supporter of the President had a swastika burned into his front yard simply because he had a Bush-Cheney '04 lawn sign. We urge your support in helping us ensure the safety of all individuals working on our campaign and others as we are making every effort to secure the safety of all participants in the political process.

I hope you will put an end to protest activities that have led to injuries, property damage, vandalism and voter intimidation. We will hold you and your organization accountable for the actions of your members and urge you to immediately discontinue any coordinated protest efforts that result in damage to our facilities, or injury to people who may hold different political views than your members, but who share an equal right to be involved in the political process without suffering violence, intimidation and threats.

Respectfully,

Gov. Marc Racicot, Bush-Cheney '04 Campaign Chairman

http://www.georgewbush.com/news/Read.aspx?ID=3874

I haven't seen tactics like these since old films from the civil rights movement or Nazi Germany. If you left wingers keep it up, maybe we on the right will get "pissed off" too. Remember, it's us right wing nut jobs with all the assalt weapons.

Madanthonywayne,

These attacks are not just happening to the Bush supports, it also happens to the Kerry supports, thus we are not crazy to propose both sides have their nut jobs, and that neither side in majority is to be blamed.

http://www.freep.com/news/statewire/sw103565_20040901.htm

http://www.acadiananow.com/news/html/2B5BBF65-30EC-409C-9F0B-1AF1F921B32C.shtml

http://www.krqe.com/expanded.asp?RECORD_KEY%5BContent%5D=ID&ID%5BContent%5D=6747

http://www.tennessean.com/government/archives/04/08/57250347.shtml

Madanthonywayne,

These attacks are not just happening to the Bush supports, it also happens to the Kerry supports, thus we are not crazy to propose both sides have their nut jobs, and that neither side in majority is to be blamed.

http://www.freep.com/news/statewire/sw103565_20040901.htm

http://www.acadiananow.com/news/html/2B5BBF65-30EC-409C-9F0B-1AF1F921B32C.shtml

http://www.krqe.com/expanded.asp?RECORD_KEY%5BContent%5D=ID&ID%5BContent%5D=6747

http://www.tennessean.com/government/archives/04/08/57250347.shtml

I checked out your links. You'll notice that none of the links I posted have to do with vandalism or theft of signs. I expect that kind of BS. This is not the same thing as an angry mob storming the campaign headquarters of your political rivals and breaking the bones of old men or chasing campaign workers out of their own headquarters. What's worse, this IS being coordinated by the Unions.

I can't see how those activities are common among democrats or are connected to kerry directly.

You people are nuts. These are Gestapo tactics and are not justified by the fact that George Bush "pissed them off".

I haven't seen tactics like these since old films from the civil rights movement or Nazi Germany. If you left wingers keep it up, maybe we on the right will get "pissed off" too. Remember, it's us right wing nut jobs with all the assalt weapons.

They are completely justified.

"For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." - Newton

The right invades a few countries, rolls back environmental laws, arrests some medical marijuana patients, and locks up american citizens indefinitely - pissing on the constitution. The reaction is a brick or two thrown through a window to remind you that the right has money, but we have zeal, freedom, and independent thought.

Besides, you haven't seen shit yet. And you can have all the assault weapons you want. Bullets ain't doin' much against a bomb leveling your banks, Wal Marts, and McDonalds.

Where will you buy your GAP clothes, bio-enginered hamburgers, and big screen TVs when all the shopping malls are destroyed?

Besides, you haven't seen shit yet. And you can have all the assault weapons you want. Bullets ain't doin' much against a bomb leveling your banks, Wal Marts, and McDonalds.

Where will you buy your GAP clothes, bio-enginered hamburgers, and big screen TVs when all the shopping malls are destroyed?

Is that a threat? Who the hell are you? The US is not Spain. You hit us, we'll hit back. Blow up a few McDonalds or malls and the Union thugs will realize the time for infighting is over and come after your ass. At any rate, your comments only serve to make my point regarding the increasing insanity on the left. They also reinforce my commitment to do what I can to re-elect Bush.

Is that a threat? Who the hell are you? The US is not Spain. You hit us, we'll hit back. Blow up a few McDonalds or malls and the Union thugs will realize the time for infighting is over and come after your ass. At any rate, your comments only serve to make my point regarding the increasing insanity on the left. They also reinforce my commitment to do what I can to re-elect Bush.

It is not a threat. It is simply what will happen in the next 20 years. Not because we hate the right, but because of our love for humanity. Our shallow consumerist, gas-guzzling lives are leading us to destroy the world we live in for nothing more than the love of money. We cannot go on infinitely at the rate we are currently going. It's not a situation like spain. It's about destroying them before they destroy us and our natural and cultural world for profit.

I seriously doubt "union thugs" would care if a few mickey d's were trashed. I'm not talking about killing people here, I'm talking baout destroying those things which invade our mental space. Unwanted visitors flashing neon slogans that repeat in our brains.

At any rate, your comments only serve to make my point regarding the increasing insanity of the right. You follow a philosophy that is evil. It is not right to police the world. It is not right to rule over citizens with a mighty fist and incite fear amongst their ranks. It is not right to exploit the earth's resources for financial gain. It is not right to continue down this path of self-destruction at the cost of our very humanity. When Bush is kicked out, we will be one step closer to regaining equilibrium.

So, madanthonywayne, the civil disobedience of the civil rights movement and the tactics of the Nazis are the same to you?

Madanthony, since you ignored it before, I ask again; how do you know that some of this isn't from the far right? Did you even read this (from my earlier post)?

I am inexorably forced to the following conclusion: Bush is no more than a wolf in sheep’s clothing, a liberal and a globalist who merely pretends to be a conservative, like he pretends to perform manual labor on his luxury ranch in Crawford, in order to get elected. He proactively believes in the racial sodomization of America, in globalism, in his fantasy that everyone in the world, in the Middle East as in California, is going to just forget the intergroup conflicts that have been the driving force of history for thousands of years and just “get along” under a bright blue sky of stock options. He even sees a family interest, through the future career of his dynastic heir his nephew, in the Hispanicization of America. His idiocy is not the product of mistaken advice and it is not the product of tactics: he genuinely believes in every dumb thing he says and every dumb thing he does. He is not our friend; he is just another sector of enemy territory.

These are the sort of people you have to be afraid of. These are the McVeigh types, and they do shoot people, and blow things up.

Ultimately, the scary portions of the political spectrum have one thing in common; a completely unshakeable conviction that they are right, and their opposition are wrong. Looking at the world that way just leads to violent conflict. Those who split the world into right/wrong, black and white, with no shades of gray are predominantly on the right of the spectrum. But dogma is more a problem of how you think of things, rather than what you think.

No reply mad?

Repo,
It's true I didn't directly address your comment, but I believe that the coordinated actions by the AFL CIO (or is it AFL CIA like in that cheesy movie?) spoke for themselves. Still, while it's possible that some of these attacks could be from the right, It just doesn't seem very likely or logical. I, too, agree that Bush is too liberal on the domestic front. He spends way too much money and hasn't done enough to control our Nation's borders. But attacking Bush when the net effect would be to help Kerry would be like going after Jar Jar Binks when Darth Vader is on your ass. Sure Jar Jar is annoying, but Darth is the real threat.

I'm not talking about killing people here, I'm talking baout destroying those things which invade our mental space. Unwanted visitors flashing neon slogans that repeat in our brains.

Besides, you haven't seen shit yet. And you can have all the assault weapons you want. Bullets ain't doin' much against a bomb leveling your banks, Wal Marts, and McDonalds.

Where will you buy your GAP clothes, bio-enginered hamburgers, and big screen TVs when all the shopping malls are destroyed?

Those two quotes create a nice juxtaposition. You're going to blow up all the malls, Wall Marts, McDonalds and banks without killing anybody? Right. You're calling for a bloodbath the likes of which has never been seen on this earth and trying to justify it on the basis of an "invasion" of your mental space?

I afraid this Jar Jar Binks is so bad that even under Vader we would be better off. Its not my fault you republicans could not have pulled out a better candidate then this idiotic neocon puppet, I would have voted for McCain if you guys had him as your nominee back in 2000.

Really? Well, McCain is pretty liberal. I guess I could see that. I mean, even Kerry was trying to court him as his VP candidate.

I prefer the title “moderate”, to me having both liberal and conservative ideals is better then being one sided: placing one ideal over a broad spectrum of problems and solutions is likely to provide many incorrect answers.

Those two quotes create a nice juxtaposition. You're going to blow up all the malls, Wall Marts, McDonalds and banks without killing anybody? Right. You're calling for a bloodbath the likes of which has never been seen on this earth and trying to justify it on the basis of an "invasion" of your mental space?

I said we are going to destroy all these buildings and institutions. Never did I advocate killing anyone. That is your myopic point of view. Like most of your right wing counter parts, you equate destruction with death. These things can be destroyed without loss of human life. You think a worker paid $5.50 per hour is going to care if his shitty store is destroyed? You think he's going to stick around to try to save it? Hell no, he'll be with us, lighting the fires and robbing the cash registers.

You think a worker paid $5.50 per hour is going to care if his shitty store is destroyed? You think he's going to stick around to try to save it? Hell no, he'll be with us, lighting the fires and robbing the cash registers.

Yeah, and then the next day he'll be out of work and have no place to spend his ill gotten funds, what with all the malls destroyed Talk about myopic. Furthermore, even if it were possible to destroy "only the buildings" (kind of a reverse neutron bomb), just the disruption to the economy caused by the destruction you advocate would in and of itself result in millions of deaths. I think you've watched Fight Club one too many times.