http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6574425.stm

Iraq is now the world's fourth highest user of the death penalty, human rights group Amnesty International has said.


Iraqi officials have dismissed criticism, saying that capital punishment is an intrinsic element of implementing an Islamic criminal code.

Isn't that nice. The US has turned a moderate country into an islamic extremist nation.

Iraq's interim government reintroduced the death penalty in 2004 saying it would act as a deterrent in view of the grave security situation in Iraq.

Well, that certainly isn't working.

Isn't that nice. The US has turned a moderate country into an islamic extremist nation.

I think you have things a bit backwards, don't you, Spurious? Under the rule of Sadman Hussy, there were far, far more executions than there are now.

Baron Max

And under Saddam? let look back less than a decade, shall we.


http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/mena/iraq031103.htm

Iraq: The Death Penalty, Executions, and "Prison Cleansing"
A Human Rights Watch Briefing Paper
March 2003

Summary
Introduction
Widening the scope of the death penalty
Special courts
Iraq and U.N. human rights mechanisms
Mass executions and "prison cleansing"
Recommendations

Widening the scope of the death penalty
All these capital offences were introduced during the 1970s and 1980s and remain on the statute books.21 A range of other capital offences were introduced in the first half of the 1990s, many of them relating to economic crimes. The government sought to justify these by saying that the humanitarian crisis resulting from the imposition of sanctions on the country directly spurred a rise in the level of crime, with the worsening of economic hardship and poverty. In its fourth periodic report to the U.N. Human Rights Committee, submitted in November 1996, the government referred to "the exceptional circumstances through which Iraq is passing," arguing that "if the human individual's right to life has become a principle of international law, it is befitting that the conscience of the international community should be stirred to protect the right to life of the entire Iraqi people, who are being subjected to virtual genocide" by economic sanctions.22 The government pointed to theft, armed robbery, embezzlement, and bribery as being among the most serious crimes whose rates had increased due to economic hardships caused by economic sanctions. "Consequently, in order to protect the public interest and the legal and economic security of society, the legislature was forced to adopt heavier penalties not as a strict matter of principle but primarily as a public deterrent to protect the right of society to security, which has become a form of struggle for survival, since the adoption of heavier penalties is not part of the criminal policy of the Iraqi legislature."23

In this spirit, car theft became a capital offence in 1992,24 as did the offence of manufacturing or circulating counterfeit currency the following year.25 Subsequently, a series of decrees passed by the RCC widened even more extensively the scope of the death penalty, making it a mandatory punishment in most cases and having retroactive effect in one case. All but one of these decrees was passed in 1994. The new capital offences included:


Sabotage of the national economy (Decree 39 of April 2, 1994). The offences specified in this decree relate to the possession or trade in medicines and medical equipment.26 The penalty is death or life imprisonment.

Theft committed with a weapon or resulting in the death of another person (Decree 59 of June 4, 1994).27 The death penalty for this offense was mandatory until 2001, when it was replaced by "the maximum term of imprisonment established by the provisions of the penal laws in force."28

Smuggling of antiquities from archeological sites or on a scale resulting in damage to the national economy (Decree 76 of June 29, 1994).29 The death penalty is mandatory.

Premeditated crimes punishable by not less than fifteen years' imprisonment committed by members of the internal or special security forces (Decree 91 of July 21, 1994).30 The death penalty is mandatory.

Smuggling of cars, trucks, and certain construction machinery outside Iraq or to a hostile party (Decree 95 of July 27, 1994). The death penalty is mandatory.

Theft, embezzlement, forgery of official documents, and bribery committed by military personnel (Decree 111 of August 23, 1994). The penalty is death or life imprisonment.

Deserting from the army on three occasions or providing cover or shelter for a deserter on three occasions (Decree 115 of August 25, 1994).31 The death penalty is mandatory, and the decree has retroactive effect with respect to past offenders who fail to surrender to the authorities within the period stipulated in the decree.32

Organizing a group for the purposes of pimping or procurement (Decree 118 of August 27).33 The death penalty is mandatory.

Loss of life caused by a member of the armed forces, internal security forces, or a government employee in circumstances other than those stipulated in Decree 59 of 1994 mentioned above (Decree 114 of September 5, 1994).34

Falsification of military service documents (Decree 179 of October 8, 1994). The death penalty for this offence was abolished in January 2003 and replaced with a term of imprisonment ranging between ten and fifteen years.35

Engaging in fraudulent investments during wartime or while economic sanctions remain in force, or if they result in the undermining of the economy (Decree 16 of February 27, 1995).

In respect of the death penalty and related special courts, the Human Rights Committee expressed concern in its concluding observations about the following:52

The incompatibility of some of the provisions of these decrees with certain non-derogable rights under the ICCPR, including the right to life and the non-retroactivity of criminal laws.

The increase in the categories of crimes punishable by the death penalty, and that the new categories include non-violent and economic offenses.


The fact that special courts, empowered to impose the death penalty, violate procedural guarantees required by article 14 of the ICCPR, in particular the right of appeal.


The discretionary authority of the Minister of the Interior and the Office of the President of the Republic to refer to the special courts cases additional to those listed as being within their jurisdiction.

And under Saddam? let look back less than a decade, shall we.


How about two years?
US abuse worse than Saddam's, say inmates (http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/05/03/1083436542947.html)
Day and night lost meaning soon after Muwafaq Sami Abbas, a lawyer, arrived at Baghdad airport for an unexpected stay.

In March he was seized from his bed by US troops in the middle of the night, he said, along with the rest of the men in his house, and taken to a prison on the airport grounds.

The black sack the troops placed over his head was removed only briefly during the next nine days of interrogation, conducted by US officials in civilian and military clothes, he said. He was forced to do knee bends until he collapsed, he recalled, and black marks still ring his wrists from the pinch of plastic handcuffs. Rest was made impossible by loudspeakers blaring, over and over, the Beastie Boys' rap anthem No Sleep 'Til Brooklyn.

The forced exercise was even harder for his father, 57, a former army general who held a signed certificate from the US occupation authority vouching for his "high level of co-operation and assistance" in the days after the war.

Father and son are now free, but Mr Abbas said his three brothers were still inside Abu Ghraib prison.
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"The savagery the Americans have practised against the Iraqis, well, now we have seen it, touched it and felt it," he said. "These types of actions will grow more hostile forces against the coalition, and this is the reason for the resistance."

The photographs of US soldiers abusing Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib have reinforced the long-held view that the US occupation is intent on humiliating the Iraqi people.

Other Iraqis have given similar accounts of what goes on inside the prison that was a centre of torture and execution under Saddam Hussein's rule.

Dhia al-Shweiri spent several stints in the prison, twice under Saddam and once under the Americans. He preferred Saddam's torture to the humiliation of being stripped naked by his US guards, he said. Now Mr Shweiri, 30, is a diehard fighter in the Mehdi Army, the anti-US militia of a Shiite Muslim imam

Mr Shweiri said that while jailed by Saddam's regime he was electrocuted, beaten and suspended from the ceiling with his hands tied behind his back.

"But that's better than the humiliation of being stripped naked," he said. "Shoot me here," he added, pointing between his eyes, "but don't do this to us."

The US military said last week "no more than 20" US soldiers had been involved in abusing and humiliating inmates. The vast majority of US guards were not involved, Brigadier-General Mark Kimmitt said.

However, on Sunday Abu Salem, who was detained inside Abu Ghraib for six months until February, said abuse by US guards went on all the time.

Mr Salem said he had been in the jail shortly before a visit from the International Red Cross in January. Until then, detainees had been kept naked. "The night before the Red Cross arrived, the US soldiers gave them [the prisoners] some new clothes. They told us that if we complained to the Red Cross about our treatment we would be kept in prison for ever."

samcdkey,

How about two years?
US abuse worse than Saddam's, say inmates


Yes, the Inmates,


Now from the Inmates and familys of Saddam:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-04-13-saddam-secrets-usat_x.htm

Torture tales

As U.S. forces entered the Iraqi capital here, hundreds of military intelligence officers fled the Directorate's headquarters. Apparently, they feared being captured or killed by the U.S. forces or beaten by Iraqis for decades of tortures and killings committed here.

Over the weekend, relatives of those arrested began arriving at the now-abandoned intelligence headquarters to inquire about loved ones. They brought pictures, birth certificates and dental records. It was the first time most had even approached the main gate, much less entered the site. Signs outside the headquarters read "Forbidden to enter under penalty of death."

Kardom, one of the former prisoners who came back, was kept in the facility's underground prison until March 10, records here show. He was charged with "religious incitement" against the government.

He denied any wrongdoing.

"Under Saddam, there were no rights of appeal," Kardom said. "I begged them to stop as they beat me. It only inspired them to beat me harder."

An Iraqi soldier, who according to the facility's records witnessed the beatings, said interrogators regularly used pliers to remove men's teeth, electric prods to shock men's genitals and drills to cut holes in their ankles.

In one instance, the soldier recalled, he witnessed a Kuwaiti soldier, who had been captured during the 1991 Persian Gulf War, being forced to sit on a broken Pepsi bottle. The man was removed from the bottle only after it filled up with his blood, the soldier said. He said the man later died.

"I have seen interrogators break the heads of men with baseball bats, pour salt into wounds and rape wives in front of their husbands," said former Iraqi soldier Ali Iyad Kareen, 41.

He then revealed dozens of Polaroid pictures of beaten and dead Iraqis from the directorate's files.

The beatings continued until the last days of the old government. Iraqi Maj. Shakir Hamid, 33, and his two brothers said they were arrested March 5 by military intelligence police and charged with being informants for the CIA. They were released by sympathetic Iraqi soldiers last week, Hamid said.

He and his two brothers, Majeed and Shakeer, have cigarette burns on their wrists, the bottoms of their feet and their inner thighs. He pointed out dried blood stains on the cement floor of several jail cells. "The interrogators kept telling me, 'Admit it, you work for the Americans, don't you?' " Hamid said. "Under Saddam, you were found guilty whether or not there was any evidence against you."

Most of the five-story building has been demolished by U.S.-led airstrikes. Steel beams and parts of concrete walls cover the floors. Furniture, files and pictures have been burned beyond recognition.

Underground prison

Several other buildings on the grounds were left relatively intact. Inside one building, there were files with the names and pictures of Iraq's military intelligence officers. There also were pictures of prisoners, many of whom had been tortured and killed.

Former prisoners at the facility here said they were kept in an underground prison adjacent to a pumphouse and near the jail. It was built by the Yugoslav government. The men said the prison contained nearly 400 jail cells. Iraqi soldiers who worked at the site confirm their description.

U.S. Special Forces, however, investigated the site last week and said they found no evidence of a hidden prison there. Relatives of several missing Iraqis said the forces searched the basement of the main headquarters, not the site they had recommended.

Saturday, former prisoners and Iraqi soldiers said they heard screams of "help" from men who were still there. Several soldiers who tried to enter the underground prison through a manhole said they found the area flooded and doors locked. Kanan Alwan, 41, who worked in the facility's administrative office, said the intelligence officers of the facility programmed the prison's computers, which control the water flow, so that the water level would exceed the height of the prison doors.

"They are drowning in there, and there's nothing we can do for them," Alwan said. "The real criminals fled. But the innocents who probably did nothing wrong have been condemned to death."

It was impossible to confirm whether prisoners had been left to die underground. But family members of the suspected prisoners, Iraqi soldiers and local residents worked furiously Saturday in an effort to free the men. They tried to shut off the water, break down the doors with hammers and dig holes with shovels and sticks.

By 10 a.m. Sunday, the screams had stopped. Many of the family members broke down and cried. Others fainted in despair. Some just walked away in anger.

"Saddam may be gone, but his final act was to murder more of his own people," Alwan said. "Now I pray the murders will stop."

Contributing: John Diamond in Washington, wire reports

And under Saddam? let look back less than a decade, shall we.


http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/mena/iraq031103.htm

Iraq: The Death Penalty, Executions, and "Prison Cleansing"
A Human Rights Watch Briefing Paper
March 2003

Summary
Introduction
Widening the scope of the death penalty
Special courts
Iraq and U.N. human rights mechanisms
Mass executions and "prison cleansing"
Recommendations



In respect of the death penalty and related special courts, the Human Rights Committee expressed concern in its concluding observations about the following:52

oh gosh...that makes it all so much better now!

Perhaps you missed these?

U.S. “Liberation” of Women—Worse Than Saddam (http://www.rwor.org/a/011/iraqs-new-constitution.htm)

OCCUPATION "WORSE THAN SADDAM" (http://news-opinion.blog-city.com/occupation_worse_than_saddam.htm)

Bush’s invasion of Iraq worse than Saddam rule? (http://www.e-thepeople.org/article/197501/view?viewtype=best)

"I really regret bringing down the statue. The Americans are worse than the dictatorship. Every day is worse than the previous day." - Kadhim al-Jubouri, the Iraqi weightlifter made famous through a video of him taking a sledgehammer to Saddam Hussein's statue and who himself spent nine years in Saddam's jails.


Worse than under Saddam Hussein (http://www.labournet.net/other/0604/stw1.html)

Annan: Life for Iraqis worse than with Saddam (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16035086/)

Torture in Iraq 'worse than under Saddam' (http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1878100,00.html)

Washington-engineered misery worse than Saddam (http://www3.sympatico.ca/sr.gowans/worse.html)

Bush's Iraq Outdoes Saddam (http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051212/scheer1130)

Victims of the Peace Decide Americans are Worse Than Saddam (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0523-03.htm)

Iraqi Victim Says U.S. Torture Worse Than Saddam (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0112-07.htm)

Abuse worse than under Saddam, says Iraqi leader (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1651789,00.html)

Iraqis Endure Worse Conditions Than Under Saddam, UN Survey Finds (http://newstandardnews.net/content/?items=1816)

Life in Iraq is worse now than under Saddam, Iraqi woman tells MCC students (http://www.haleakalatimes.com/news/story1986.aspx)

Mahathir calls Bush, Blair killers worse than Saddam (http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/398169)

"The day after the liberation, my aunt put out a black banner--an Arab mourning ritual--with the names of all her relatives who had been murdered by the regime on it. And she looked down her street, and there were black banners on almost every house. On some houses it looks like a long shopping list. She said to her neighbour, 'You too?' Under Saddam it was a crime to mourn people killed by the regime--it made you seem suspicious too. Everyone was suffering terribly, but they were suffering alone. They just didn't know that everyone else was hating it too."
-- Yasser Alaskary, co-founder of Iraqi Prospect Organisation, an Iraqi freedom group, The Independent (London), September 18, 2003

"Virtually every athlete at the club has physical or mental scars inflicted by Saddam Hussein's older son, Uday, who took control of Iraq's Olympic Committee in 1984 and began a terrifying campaign of torture and humiliation. Many fled the country, including Mr. [Ahmed] Samarrai....

"'The system of the regime started in primary school,' said Mr. Samarrai, who defected on a trip to Switzerland in 1983 and returned here after the war. 'It was exactly like the Nazis in the 30's.'...

"'Uday played hell with sports,' said Immanuel Baba Dano, a revered figure in Iraq who was coach of the national soccer team for most of the last three decades....

"Some athletes were humiliated, he said. Others were smeared with feces and jailed. Some were placed in a sarcophagus with nails pointed inward so that they would be punctured and suffocated, he said. At least a few were set in front of wild dogs to be torn to pieces. How many were executed is still not clear.

"'Nobody knew what was in his mind,' Mr. Dano said. 'But there was no pity.'"
-- The New York Times, August 17, 2003

"'We smelled something rotten, and when we breathed in, we couldn't breathe out. The sky was full of smoke, and someone said it was chemicals. People started crying and running toward the mountains. I was burning and I became blind, but someone led me out. After walking for two days, we reached Iran.' [Wais Abdel] Qadr was the only member of his family to survive the gassing of Halabja by the Iraqi military on March 16, 1988."
-- The Washington Post, August 7, 2003

"Freed in April after 13 years in prison, [Dr. Ibrahim] Basri [Saddam's former physician] is now reaching out to register and help as many victims of the regime as he can find. They stream to a clinic attached to his house, a sad collection of former political prisoners, relatives of the executed, and maimed men who cannot work because they lost an arm, an ear, or a foot to the torturer's knife. 'All the time in prison, I think, "What can I do to help these people?"' he said. ... 'For the first five years, he put me in a cell by myself, 2 meters by 2 1/2 meters, where I didn't know if it was day or night. I was so dirty with lice. There were cockroaches in my mouth at night. And they came to beat you in the morning and at night for nothing, nothing.' Once, he continued, the guards beat him in front of 300 inmates until they broke his legs. 'I never said, "Mercy." I just said, "Iraq."
-- The Boston Globe, August 7, 2003

"The nightmares persist, even years later, as Ehab Al Deen cannot shake the memories of torment from his summer camp with 'Saddam's Lion Cubs.'

"Like thousands of Iraqi teens, Al Deen vividly recalls long marches in oppressive heat, being slapped by military trainers for not following orders and spending nights in fields listening to the howls of wolves.

"The camps culminated each August with a ceremony in which the youths were videotaped in the Iraqi fighter tradition of ripping a dog's flesh with their teeth.

"'The dogs were already dead,' said Al Deen, 18, who attended the camp in 1998 and still recalls the bitter taste. 'It was horrible.' ...

"They were mostly disenfranchised children from poor neighborhoods or sons of Baath Party members recruited by teachers during the school year. ...

"But once they arrived at the two military camps on the outskirts of Baghdad, the youths found hard work and mostly empty promises....

"'I was so scared,' said Al Deen, who was 13 when he went to the camp in 1998. 'We cried for hours.'"
-- Chicago Tribune, August 3, 2003

"The bodyguard says he was disgusted by Uday's activities-he points to a floor-to-ceiling cage in the corner of the club's kitchen where he says monkeys were kept for Uday because he liked to have the animals watch him when he was deflowering virgins. ... It was his to make the singers who entertained Uday at the Boat Club gulp down a liter and a half of a 'cocktail,' a combination of 90-proof alcohol often with some drugs thrown in. ...

"'I would line up all the entertainment against that wall,' the bodyguard said, pointing to the side of the garage. 'And I would take a stick. ... And I would say, "Drink, drink, you have 10 minutes." If any of them didn't drink, I hit them with a stick.' ... Then, if the singers still refused, they were given a 'street beating,' meaning that their faces were untouched but they were pummeled until they could hardly stand up....

"'I always felt like I was the one who took the beatings because each shout of pain from the beaten person, I used to pray to God and ask God to punish me for what I was doing. But the person who took the beating did not know that if I didn't carry out the orders, I would take the same beating that he was getting.'"
-- Los Angeles Times, August 2, 2003

Tareq recalls how his team was invited to pose for pictures with Uday. At 6-5, Tareq towered over Uday. "The next day, I was taken and flogged 20 times" for being taller, says Tareq, who plans to leave Iraq soon to play professionally in Germany or Scandinavia.
-- USA TODAY, July 30, 2003

Yeah and you topped ALL THAT!

That is some accomplishment.

One of the condemned women was pregnant. This presented a problem, said Ahmad, because under religious law a pregnant woman should at least be allowed to finish her term and deliver the baby before being executed. 'She was several months' pregnant,' he said. 'The doctor had verified it, she had said so and we could see her swollen stomach. She was taken in and out three times - everyone was unsure what to do with her.' Telephone calls were made to Uday by his representative. As they waited, the woman sobbed and begged for mercy for her unborn child. On the third telephone call the order was given to go ahead with her execution. 'At that the woman was beheaded - and knowing she was pregnant, I felt sick in the stomach and wished for Allah to open up the ground and swallow everyone there including myself,' said Ahmad.
-- Sunday Times, London, July 27, 2003

Yeah and you topped ALL THAT!

That is some accomplishment.
Well the US is best at everything. Very competitive.

Let's have a cheer for the USA, the greatest Tyrant in the world! YEEHAW!

samcdkey and you ignore all of this, why? because it is done in the name of Allah the Most Merciful?, yes tell me why you ignore all of this?

Why do you ignore the current situation?

Why do you ignore the current situation?
Dont be silly. Bluffalo Drone has provided 8,000 links proving life in Iraq is wonderful.

"They put me in a cell just 1m by 1.5m, painted completely red with no windows and lots of tiny stones on the floor and told me to count them. It did not matter what number you said it would be wrong. If I said 2000, they would say no, it's 2001 and beat me 10 times. Then they put me inside a circle and told me to run round and round for nine hours. After that they threw me on the hot pavement and a fat guard sat on my chest. Then they pulled me along by my ankles so that my back was streaming with blood.

"Another time they drew a bicycle on the wall and told me to ride it. They threw me in foul dirty water and said you must swim, then they kept pushing me under with a stick forcing me to drink.

"Once they told us we had to catch 10 flies during the night and 10 mosquitoes during the day or you would be tortured more. This was impossible so you had to catch the mosquitoes at night and hold them till daytime and vice versa with the flies. Then they would ask which is male and which is female. Whatever you said it would be vice versa."
-- Sunday Times, London, July 27, 2003

"I have never spoken of this before because I was afraid for my family," said Faig. "But now they are gone, and we are finally free to speak of such things."
-- Sunday Times, London, July 27, 2003

Dont be silly. Bluffalo Drone has provided 8,000 links proving life in Iraq is wonderful.

Oh, sorry. I think socialist Finland is blocking those links. i didn't see them.

Well the US is best at everything. Very competitive.

Hmm I had no idea they were in competition with Saddam. It all makes sense now.

Did millions of people flee the country under Saddam?

Was there widespread bombing and mass deaths by violence (like the 200 or 300 whatchammacallits who died last week)?

(notice the coverage given to THOSE deaths in Amrikkka?)
Nope.

So the US is better than Saddam after all. Even he couldn't get them to do all this.

"They put me in a cell just 1m by 1.5m, painted completely red with no windows and lots of tiny stones on the floor and told me to count them. It did not matter what number you said it would be wrong. If I said 2000, they would say no, it's 2001 and beat me 10 times. Then they put me inside a circle and told me to run round and round for nine hours. After that they threw me on the hot pavement and a fat guard sat on my chest. Then they pulled me along by my ankles so that my back was streaming with blood.

"Another time they drew a bicycle on the wall and told me to ride it. They threw me in foul dirty water and said you must swim, then they kept pushing me under with a stick forcing me to drink.

"Once they told us we had to catch 10 flies during the night and 10 mosquitoes during the day or you would be tortured more. This was impossible so you had to catch the mosquitoes at night and hold them till daytime and vice versa with the flies. Then they would ask which is male and which is female. Whatever you said it would be vice versa."
-- Sunday Times, London, July 27, 2003

"I have never spoken of this before because I was afraid for my family," said Faig. "But now they are gone, and we are finally free to speak of such things."
-- Sunday Times, London, July 27, 2003

2003 is 4 years ago. You might have noticed things have changed for the worse. Like a civil war and such.

2003 is 4 years ago. You might have noticed things have changed for the worse. Like a civil war and such.

Well Saddam is dead so the US won. The rest are details (aka collateral damage).

Can't make an omelet without breaking eggs.

Well Saddam is dead so the US won. The rest are details (aka collateral damage).

Can't make an omelet without breaking eggs.

he was killed by death penalty.

spuriousmonkey

Why do you ignore the current situation?

Because when ever there has been some thing alleged, there have been investigations, and if thing are found there have been charges brought, and in every occasion it seems that some one has pictures, if this was true of the situation now, and there was evidence that the U.S. troops were doing this there would be proof, now I will agree that there are Iraqi militia, who have extra judicial prison that have been caught, and the prison dismantled, and it was U.S. Troops that found and released these prisoners, now how about some proof that it is the U.S. that is setting up these prison, and that this isn't being done by Terrorist or Sadars Militia, or any of the other Militias, or Religious Police, that run in Iraq today.

spuriousmonkey



Because when ever there has been some thing alleged, there have been investigations, and if thing are found there have been charges brought, and in every occasion it seems that some one has pictures, if this was true of the situation now, and there was evidence that the U.S. troops were doing this there would be proof, now I will agree that there are Iraqi militia, who have extra judicial prison that have been caught, and the prison dismantled, and it was U.S. Troops that found and released these prisoners, now how about some proof that it is the U.S. that is setting up these prison, and that this isn't being done by Terrorist or Sadars Militia, or any of the other Militias, or Religious Police, that run in Iraq today.

You actually have a reason to ignore the current situation? Are you a complete moron?

spuriousmonkey



Because when ever there has been some thing alleged, there have been investigations, and if thing are found there have been charges brought, and in every occasion it seems that some one has pictures, if this was true of the situation now, and there was evidence that the U.S. troops were doing this there would be proof, now I will agree that there are Iraqi militia, who have extra judicial prison that have been caught, and the prison dismantled, and it was U.S. Troops that found and released these prisoners, now how about some proof that it is the U.S. that is setting up these prison, and that this isn't being done by Terrorist or Sadars Militia, or any of the other Militias, or Religious Police, that run in Iraq today.

Look at those wicked Iraqi militias

http://bottleofblog.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/deadiraqi2.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40174000/jpg/_40174325_graner_ap220.jpg

samcdkey, Abu Ghraib, and those individuals have been convicted and sent to prison, so what are you trying to prove? that we do prosecute people who break the laws of our military, and the Geneva Convention, as you have just shown with your pictures, they were entered in evidence and those people involved were tried and convicted, and sent to prison, so now how about proof of this happening today, The U.S. no longer controls the prisons in Iraq, they have been turned over to the Iraqi Government.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2006/09/iraq-060902-rferl01.htm

Iraq Takes Over Abu Ghraib Prison

In-Depth Coverage September 2, 2006 -- Iraq's government has formally regained control of Baghdad's notorious Abu Ghraib prison.

A government spokesman, Ali al-Dabbagh, said all prisoners from Abu Ghraib had been moved to a new detention facility.

Abu Ghraib doesn't even exist any more, now how about that sam?

a new detention facility.
Abu Ghraib doesn't even exist any more, now how about that sam?

A rose by any other name...

Wish they had strobe lights and a siren to go with that color *sigh*

...

samcdkey

Iraq Takes Over Abu Ghraib Prison

The Iraqis in control, Abu Ghrieb, they moved the prisoners, and shut down the prison.

samcdkey

Iraq Takes Over Abu Ghraib Prison

The Iraqis in control, Abu Ghrieb, they moved the prisoners, and shut down the prison.

Wish I could believe that. But the embassy, the military installations, funding of militants in Iran etc., tell me otherwise.:(

Instability in Iraq is essential for a sustained US presence.

Next: the Iraq government will fall.

samcdkey, it still is the Iraqis that have control of the prison system, and you are projecting facts not in evidence, and if there is a failure of the Iraqi government it will be brought about by your Islamic Jihad Terrorist Brethren, and the Democrats in America, cutting and running.

You must be kidding. The US will not leave Iraq, not even if the Democrats come to power. They dare not. Not with the Shias in power, Sadr in control of the Shias in Iraq and Iran bent on selling oil in Euros. If the US leaves, it will be Iran+Iraq, the biggest Shia presence in the WORLD and able to withstand anything the Saudis do to drive down the oil price. The dollar will be f*cked, the Saudis will drop the US like a hot potato and the Chinese and Europeans will take over.

Iraq is your Waterloo.

The Saudis have already made their stance pretty clear.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/13/world/middleeast/13saudi.html?ex=1323666000&en=bc82ffad82cc8d53&ei=5088

And so have the Shias

http://www.cbc.ca/news/reportsfromabroad/middleeast/2007/04/a_new_gambit_in_iraq_alsadr_mi_1.html

samcdkey

You must be kidding. The US will not leave Iraq, not even if the Democrats come to power. They dare not. Not with the Shias in power, Sadr in control of the Shias in Iraq and Iran bent on selling oil in Euros. If the US leaves, it will be Iran+Iraq, the biggest Shia presence in the WORLD and able to withstand anything the Saudis do to drive down the oil price. The dollar will be f*cked, the Saudis will drop the US like a hot potato and the Chinese and Europeans will take over.

Iraq is your Waterloo.


Well it does appear that the Democrats are bent on doing just that:

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The war in Iraq "is lost" and a US troop surge is failing to bring peace to the country, the leader of the Democratic majority in the US Congress, Harry Reid (news, bio, voting record), said Thursday.

"I believe ... that this war is lost, and this surge is not accomplishing anything, as is shown by the extreme violence in Iraq this week," Reid said,


Democrats unveil bill to limit U.S. in Iraq
March 9: House Democrats introduce legislation that would mandate the removal of U.S. combat troops from Iraq by August 2008. NBC's Chip Reid reports.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi said the deadline would be added to legislation providing nearly $100 billion the Bush administration has requested for fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The election is next year isn't it?

August 2008? Sounds like Bush baby is firmly on the spot.

samcdkey, yes? and from the information that I am seeing the democrats are headed for a major defeat, they have totally misread the reason that they were given a majority of power, and have went off on a anti war, anti troop agenda that isn't supported by the American public, and especially when their actions put the Troops in Danger, and the Country at risk.

Doesn't matter who is in power. Neither wants the dollar to be worth less than used toilet paper.

And the American sheeple are a joke. They couldn't tell fact from fantasy unless the TV told them it was.

samcdkey,

Doesn't matter who is in power. Neither wants the dollar to be worth less than used toilet paper.

And the American sheeple are a joke. They couldn't tell fact from fantasy unless the TV told them it was.

And you are different?

samcdkey,



And you are different?

My assets are not in dollars.:shrug:

samcdkey, hell I'm not intresred in your assets, I wouldn't want them if you offered them on a water bed.

samcdkey, hell I'm not intresred in your assets, I wouldn't want them if you offered them on a water bed.

Thats ok brain dead sheeple are not on my list.

its up to iraq who they kill. america excecutes who they please.


anyway iraq dont execute the most people pakistan and china kill the most :).


people just dont like it because its iraq, leave mesopotamia alone.


peace.

samcdkey

Thats ok brain dead sheeple are not on my list.

And a long list I would think.

samcdkey

And a long list I would think.

The brain dead part is becoming bigger. Perhaps you might remove that tumor on your neck, the one you think is a brain.:D

samcdkey, from the 8th wonder of the world, the only natural vacuum in atmosphere, and it is all between your ears.

samcdkey, from the 8th wonder of the world, the only natural vacuum in atmosphere, and it is all between your ears.

Do go on, you've gone from sexual innuendos to Victorian cliches to an actual effort at sarcasm.

Its always amusing to see the knuckle scrapers from the so-called civilsed societies showing their true faces.

calm down children. dont make me spank you both.


peace.

samcdkey

I learned everything I know about doing so from you.

samcdkey

I learned everthing I kow about doing so from you.
everthing?
kow?

you might at least try to write English correctly, its only the one language you are required to know in your country!

samcdkey

So I'm a bad typist, so beat me with a wet noodle.

samcdkey

you might at least try to write English correctly, its only the one language you are required to know in your country!

Afraid your wrong, the politically correct have made it so that you do not have to know American English in this country.

samcdkey

you might at least try to write English correctly, its only the one language you are required to know in your country!



In English we start a sentence with a capital letter. And we write its usually as it's.

In English we start a sentence with a capital letter. And we write its usually as it's.

thankee

do not have to know American English in this country.

Dear Buffalo,

hows it going with you?

What the hell is American English.

i thought my language was just english, and that the yankees just bastardised it!!

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Take it ez
zak

In English we start a sentence with a capital letter. And we write its usually as it's.

A fellow nitpicker! Join the club, bruv.

http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/inline/thumbs/tn991124.jpg

In English we start a sentence with a capital letter. And we write its usually as it's.
Depends.

http://www.cgl.uwaterloo.ca/~csk/its.html

Dear Buffalo,

hows it going with you?

What the hell is American English.

i thought my language was just english, and that the yankees just bastardised it!!

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Take it ez
zak

Zak, in England we speak English.

In America they speak something called American.

They say things like 'y'all' 'dude' etc.

Zak, in England we speak English.

In America they speak something called American.

They say things like 'y'all' 'dude' etc.

boooeeee (buoy) rowt (route) off Ten (often) :confused:

samcdkey , well back to the subject of the death penalty, how about your fellow Jihad Bastards with this:

Updated:2007-04-21 01:50:53
Jihadist Video Shows Boy Beheading Man
By ABDUL SATTAR
AP

KILI FAQIRAN, Pakistan (April 21) - The boy with the knife looks barely 12. In a high-pitched voice, he denounces the bound, blindfolded man before him as an American spy. Then he hacks off the captive's head to cries of "God is great!" and hoists it in triumph by the hair.

And the opinion of the Father:

Sakhi said his son had been a loyal Taliban member who fought in Afghanistan and sheltered the hard-line Afghan group's leaders in the family's mud-walled compound.

He blames the Taliban and wants to avenge his son's death.

"The Taliban are not mujahedeen. They are not fighting for the cause of Islam," the 70-year-old said. "If I got my hands on them I would kill them and even tear their flesh with my own teeth."

He does what you fail to do, fully denounce the BASTARDS! and finally say that they are not fighting for the cause of Islam.

That explains why the US has done what Saddam desperately avoided: brought militancy to Iraq.

samcdkey

That explains why the US has done what Saddam desperately avoided: brought militancy to Iraq.


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samcdkey

That explains why the US has done what Saddam desperately avoided: brought militancy to Iraq.


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Concentrate sam Concentrate, C-O-N-C-E-N-T-R-A-T-E.....Death Penality,
The use of Children, The ABUSE of CHILDREN, no answer to the truth, so we change the subject. Talk about cut and run.

samcdkey

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Concentrate sam Concentrate, C-O-N-C-E-N-T-R-A-T-E.....Death Penality,
The use of Children, The ABUSE of CHILDREN, no answer to the truth, so we change the subject. Talk about cut and run.

Since your thinking abilities are narrow:

http://www.amnestyusa.org/abolish/juveniles.html



Since 2000, only five countries in the world are known to have executed juvenile offenders: China, Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), Iran, Pakistan, and the United States. Pakistan and China have abolished the juvenile death penalty, but there have been problems in nationwide compliance with the law.

The United States and Somalia are the only countries in the world that have not ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child.

Twenty-one* U.S. states allow for the execution of people who were 16 or 17 at the time of the crime. Out of the 38 death penalty states, 16 have abolished this punishment for juvenile offenders.

In the past five years, the United States has executed 13 juvenile offenders. Eight of these executions took place in the state of Texas. The rest of the world combined carried out five such executions. The United States accounts for four of the last five known juvenile offender executions in the last two years.

As of January 2004, more than 70 juvenile offenders sat on death rows throughout the United States; this constitutes approximately 2% of the total death row population.

In 2002, a Gallup survey found that 69 percent of Americans oppose capital punishment for juvenile offenders.

Four Supreme Court Justices recently described the execution of young offenders as a “relic of the past” and a “shameful practice” that should be ended.

In 2003, legislators in 14 states that still allow for the execution of juvenile offenders considered bills to abolish the practice. Bills that would ban the death penalty for juvenile offenders cleared legislative committee hurdles in Arkansas, Florida, Missouri, Nevada, and South Dakota, but ultimately did not pass.

Organizations including the American Bar Association, American Psychiatric Association, Child Welfare League of America, Coalition for Juvenile Justice, National Council on Crime and Delinquency, National Mental Health Association, and Physicians for Human Rights have expressed opposition to the juvenile death penalty.

"I don't think we should be proud of the fact that the United States is the world leader in the execution of child offenders." –U.S. Senator Russ Feingold, November 11, 1999

samcdkey, Iraq- Islamic Terrorist- in the name of Allah- Taliban use of Children as Exicutioners- Terrorist abuse of Children- and if I might just add in the Islamic faith they execute children all the time, and not always for crimes of murder-

The Persian Version
Under the caked muck of theocracy in today’s Iran, ancient and lovely ... which teenage girls are hanged in public for immorality, and virgins raped before ...
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200607/hitchens-persian/3

Blessed Fearscapes » Honor Killings
A 16 year old girl was executed by the Iranian government not too long ago. ... What if YOUR teenage daughter had been raped, and YOUR government wanted to ...
http://aswaterspassingby.org/blessedfearscapes/?cat=47

Execution of two gay teens in Iran spurs controversy - Wikinews
Like many other Islamic countries, Iran enforces the religious sharia law, which allows for the execution of children, including girls aged nine or older ...
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Execution_of_two_gay_teens_in_Iran_spurs_controver sy

NPR : Gays in Pakistan Risk Harsh Islamic Retribution
Homosexuality is severely punished in many Islamic countries, with penalties including everything from public whipping to execution.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=3812795

Infidel Bloggers Alliance: Islam And The Molestation Of Little Girls
"...the small children of many young women in Evin Prison are viciously abused ... "Young girls who are sentenced to death in Islamic countries present a ...
http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2007/01/islam-and-molestation-of-little-girls.html

Killings for Islam
Some even cut defenceless children. The Islamic assault on Christian Europe ... It is homophobic because it justifies the execution of homosexuals. ...
http://markhumphrys.com/islam.killings.html

The Human Rights Blog: Summon to eliminate Execution sentence in Iran
Children who are waiting for Execution are:. 1- Sina Paimand 2-Ali Alijani 3_Hedait Niromand. By the report of human rights organizations, Iran is second ...
http://www.humanrightsblog.org/archives/003295.html

You want me to go on? Yes Islam, your religion, the abuse of children, the use of them as executioners,

Iran: Iran's execution of children
Iran's execution of children. http://web.amnesty.org/background/irn-090205-action-eng Iran has executed at least seven child offenders in 2005, according to ...
http://iran-persia.blogspot.com/2005/10/irans-execution-of-children.html

Amrikkka is the world leader.

samcdkey, do you want me to post the numbers?

sam answer this?

The Persian Version
Under the caked muck of theocracy in today’s Iran, ancient and lovely ... which teenage girls are hanged in public for immorality, and virgins raped before ...
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/20060...hens-persian/3

Blessed Fearscapes » Honor Killings
A 16 year old girl was executed by the Iranian government not too long ago. ... What if YOUR teenage daughter had been raped, and YOUR government wanted to ...
http://aswaterspassingby.org/blessedfearscapes/?cat=47

Sharia: militant "Islamic" justice
TEHRAN (Reuters) - An Iranian man cut off his seven- year-old daughter's head after suspecting she had been raped by her uncle, the Jomhuri-ye Eslami ...
http://www.omdurman.org/sharia.html

Looks like you lost your focus and C-O-N-C-E-N-T-R-A-T-I-O-N.

Or are you justifying the death penalty for children? If Islamic militants can do it, so can the US?

Gendercide Watch: "Honour" Killings and Blood Feuds
It is worth noting that this rate of approximately 1250 men killed in blood feuds annually is slightly greater than the number of known "honour" killings of ...
http://www.gendercide.org/case_honour.html

UK Muslim Honor Killing: Wife & Daughters Burned Alive - IRIS Blog
Honor killings are a horrific outgrowth of the misogyny encouraged by ... Muslim Husband who Killed his Wife and Children because of their Western Ways ...
http://www.iris.org.il/blog/archives/2250-UK-Muslim-Honor-Killing-Wife-Daughters-Burned-Alive.html
Western Resistance: Special Report - UK: Killing For Muslim "Honor"
She said: "The number of honour killings has gone up because more women are ... DI Hyatt said: "Abdalla Yones killed her to shield his so-called honour. ...
http://www.westernresistance.com/blog/archives/002608.html

The Persian Version
Under the caked muck of theocracy in today’s Iran, ancient and lovely ... which teenage girls are hanged in public for immorality, and virgins raped before ...
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200607/hitchens-persian/3

Blessed Fearscapes » Honor Killings
A 16 year old girl was executed by the Iranian government not too long ago. ... What if YOUR teenage daughter had been raped, and YOUR government wanted to ...
http://aswaterspassingby.org/blessedfearscapes/?cat=47

Cant you make that a little larger?.

Cant you make that a little larger?.

I always wonder: does he design those Rapture and End of the World internet sites?

They use the same style.

I always wonder: does he design those Rapture and End of the World internet sites?

They use the same style.

Yes I was wondering the same thing.

samcdkey,


Or are you justifying the death penalty for children? If Islamic militants can do it, so can the US?

I am justifying nothing, I am pointing out that you have a very big double standard between the U.S. and your defense of your Islamic breather who use Children as executioners, I do believe all would agree that this is a major form of child abuse, The Killing under Shari' law of children under who have done nothing other than be abused and raped by their relatives, and for the fact that they are thought to be, or are Homosexual, yes tell me how much better you Islamic brothers are at caring for the children, yes, come her little girl, sit on my lap, I have a treat for you, and when it is found out what that treat was, who get it in the neck the Uncle? NO! it is the CHILD!

]Yes I was wondering the same thing.

Does big and red = truth?


edit: the irony of caring about children when they arrest five year olds and have over 200,000 children in adult prisons.

Does big and red = truth?
Actually yes, and it also works with other colours.

ARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH

My eyes! Oh my eyes!:bawl:

My eyes! Oh my eyes!:bawl:
BR did inspire my Nickelodeon (http://www.sciforums.com/encyclopedia/Nickelodeon_%28SciForums_member%29) entry

The information = truth, or can you deny that this doesn't happen daily in Islam, the Abuse and killing of children for being abused, Yes sam deny that this is a way of life under Islam, and I will post the rebuttal articles, and their are thousands of examples of this across Islam, it is strange I am the one here who is defending the children, someone you castigate for not having any feelings of sympathy, and your the one defending the acts of your religion and Islamic Brothers, that execute children for being sexually assaulted by their relatives, and because they might be homosexuals, or any of a dozen reasons, you defend this practice by trying to make it a morally relative situation? sam you are defending child molesters and Islamic Law that kills the victim rather than the offender, kill children because of their sexual preference, kills them for the Honor of the Family.

samcdkey

My eyes! Oh my eyes!

Your eyes or a poor raped Childs life? You are so blind in your hate of America that you defend Rapist, Child Molesters, Those that Abuse Children by Using them as EXECUTIONERS, yes look at what you are defending, or are you that blinded by your religion and hate for the west that you have to defend the acts done in the name of Islamic Honor?

BR did inspire my Nickelodeon (http://www.sciforums.com/encyclopedia/Nickelodeon_%28SciForums_member%29) entry

I'm hypnotized by the exxxxxcitement!:xctd: :xctd: :xctd:

Your eyes or a poor raped Childs life? You are so blind in your hate of America that you defend Rapist, Child Molesters, Those that Abuse Children by Using them as EXECUTIONERS, yes look at what you are defending, or are you that blinded by your religion and hate for the west that you have to defend the acts done in the name of Islamic Honor?


So it is true by samCDkey silence she does defends her Islamic brethren abuse of children, and killing them for being abused.

And as I was waiting for sam to discover that it is illegal to execute juveniles in the U.S. the silence is thundering on the fact that so many of her Islamic Brethren, and nations continue to do so.

5-4 Supreme Court Abolishes Juvenile Executions (washingtonpost.com)

With the current situation, you cannot really include 'the death penalty' or any law requirements because ALL iraqis will fight, guaranteed, so long as invaders are destroying their countries

Now let's say that there was no war, no saddam hussein, and it was a normal nation at peace. With this practice, crime would be WAY less than it is in america. Ever wonder why crime is rampant here? cuz the punishment is ridiculous. Criminals in the US aren't serious because the law system is missing the one essential crime-stopper, FEAR