British scientists are ready to turn female bone marrow into sperm, cutting men out of the process of creating life.

The breakthrough paves the way for lesbian couples to have children that are biologically their own.

Gay men could follow suit by using the technique to make eggs from male bone marrow.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6547675.stm

British scientists are ready to turn female bone marrow into sperm, cutting men out of the process of creating life.

The breakthrough paves the way for lesbian couples to have children that are biologically their own.

Gay men could follow suit by using the technique to make eggs from male bone marrow.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6547675.stm

so they'll make men obseleate? (sp)

i hate that idea, it takes a man and a woman to raise a child, not two men and likewise not two women, a child needs a father figure aswell has a mother.

That's only because they need a role model. In a world rid of men, no male role models are needed.

That's only because they need a role model. In a world rid of men, no male role models are needed.


yeah right, but you cant do away with men totally can you? that is just silly, so it will always take a man and woman to raise a child.

yeah right, but you cant do away with men totally can you? that is just silly, so it will always take a man and woman to raise a child.

At the moment, yea.. at least it's for the best.
But it could be possible that one day the technology is there..

Mind you, we won't go down without a fight :p

Technology has just broken that requirement where male and female were biologically necessary to create a new life.

At the moment, yea.. at least it's for the best.
But it could be possible that one day the technology is there..

Mind you, we won't go down without a fight :p


good i personally would hate to see a world without men, (well, think about it, who would decorate my house for me) lol

no seriously though, men are a fabric of society and they always should be

Technology has just broken that requirement where male and female were biologically necessary to create a new life.

Great.. can a die a death of my own choosing.. ? :bawl:

Technology has just broken that requirement where male and female were biologically necessary to create a new life.


yeah ok, but somtimes scientists need to leave things alone, like the pro creation of life, that is not somthing to be taken on lightly

yeah ok, but somtimes scientists need to leave things alone, like the pro creation of life, that is not somthing to be taken on lightly
Well considering the benefits of this new technology!

Couples that have had trouble giving birth to a child normally may have a chance with this, and even single parents who would like to have children without any participation with their spouse could do so!

But then again the child would only exibit genetic traits from the single parent itself...so that's going to be weird!

i hate that idea, it takes a man and a woman to raise a child, not two men and likewise not two women, a child needs a father figure aswell has a mother.

I don't understand this position. I think it just takes two good role models for a child to grow up healthy and well, regardless of gender.

I don't understand this position. I think it just takes two good role models for a child to grow up healthy and well, regardless of gender.

then in my opinion your wrong, a child needs a father fugure to grow up and be a well balanced child.

This sounds like a militant feminists' dream come true—even better for them, you'd only get girls from such sperm cells, since they will never have the Y-chromosome that makes a male (and they'll never know the joy of bearing a son unless they do it the natural way).

then in my opinion your wrong, a child needs a father fugure to grow up and be a well balanced child.

I get that it's your opinion, but do you have anything to back it up? Any studies that followed gay children and hetero children (although this might be rare considering it's not a walk in the park these days for gay parents to adopt)? Or is it just based on faith?

There are a lot of single Moms out there doing amazing jobs raising a child. (I was one of them). My mother-in-law raised her kids alone after her husband died. Should her children have been removed from the home til she found a man? (this happened to my grandma after her mom died, after all, a man couldn't raise a daughter alone)

There are also many examples in the animal kingdom, where the male is basically just the sperm donor.

In a perfect world, it would be nice if a child had 2 parents. In my generation it did matter that they were male/female. I don't think it matters so much in my kids generation, unless they are raised to see it as wrong. I don't raise my kids that way.

This is too much for me to handle!!! Ahhhhhhhhh!!!! What is going on? What is happening to the world? Is everyone going to turn gay all of a sudden?

Statistical ratios have shown that women are already producing more women then men, and that this is happening on an exponential curve. Are men vanishing? Where are your balls...god damn it!!!

Then there is the increase of impotence amongst humantiy as well. Really... what is going on here. Too much polution? Too much information? WHAT?

Then agian...it would be nice to be born a man in a world were there is 100 women to every guy!!! Hmmmmmm. Things to think about?

I get that it's your opinion, but do you have anything to back it up? Any studies that followed gay children and hetero children (although this might be rare considering it's not a walk in the park these days for gay parents to adopt)? Or is it just based on faith?

its not based on faith its based on having three children of my own, and knowing that i will never be able to raise them emotionally right witout my husband

Why turn bone into sperm at all? ____:wtf: They can just use the real sperm from men now without having to cut off their legs!!:eek::eek:

seems like a lot of work and expense just to have your own biological child, but if straight couples can sink thousands of dollars into IVF, well, then why not.
Didn't people worry about designer babies when IVF came about. That didn't happen, so I see people making this a bigger issue than it is. This is not the death of man.

well the whole deal with men was that men provide the drive for the evolution, I mean if we are going to the man and man families or woman and woman families, how is the evolution going to happen? Sooner or later, the diseases and problems will catch up to us if we do not evolve.

Whether or not scientists will be able to develop the techniques needed for women to reproduce themselves will depend on future legislation that the Government is preparing as a replacement to the existing Human Fertilization and Embryology Act.

Is everyone forgetting that a lot of us women like men?

Is everyone forgetting that a lot of us women like men?

that want last long, men are like toys to women, once theill find something new to play with they might get rid of the toys.

Is everyone forgetting that a lot of us women like men?

I see your point. Are we going to turn into a world of lesbians? What about women who like men? It looks like if we don't control the process...the ratio will turn into 1 man to every 20 or so women. Without manipulation, men are becoming scarcer by natural developments. IS IT THE POLLUTION...INFORMATION....WHAT? Each year produces more women and less men...where do you think this is going?

This technique could turn into another interesting ethical debate!

This technique could turn into another interesting ethical debate!

or it can actually bring our civilization to a halt.

I won't have a leg to stand on! :eek:

Looks like a very gay future already!

well everyone's advocating the liberty for gays and lesbians as well as this is coming up ... so yeah the future is a damp looking to say the least.

Looks like a very gay future already!

It gets more gay by the day! I myself am not gay, but I seem to have a genetic inclination towards enjoying the sight of two or more hot lesbians groping and getting it on. My body automatically responds with arousal to the sight. It drives me wild, I can't figure out why.

I have wondered about this for a long time. Is it genetic? Have I been programmed by society (all those comercials idealizing a man with two or more women...)? Why do I like seeing hot lesbians so much? What is wrong with me?

It gets more gay by the day! I myself am not gay, but I seem to have a genetic inclination towards enjoying the sight of two or more hot lesbians groping and getting it on. My body automatically responds with arousal to the sight. It drives me wild, I can't figure out why.

I have wondered about this for a long time. Is it genetic? Have I been programmed by society (all those comercials idealizing a man with two or more women...)? Why do I like seeing hot lesbians so much? What is wrong with me? Relax my friend, as a fellow straight man I can assure you that it's perfectly normal and common amongst most straight men to fantasize or even watch two women making out!...:D

Relax my friend, as a fellow straight man I can assure you that it's perfectly normal and common amongst most straight men to fantasize or even watch two women making out!...:D

you're saying that because you are affected by it too, it does not mean it is "normal" whatever being normal really means.

Are we going to turn into a world of lesbians? What about women who like men?

if there was only women though... they couldn't like men because you can't desire something you have never seen. so many women would probably turn into lesbians.

Each year produces more women and less men...where do you think this is going?

nah... i've heard there's about an equal amount of both. 0.05% more men actually. especially in china there is a gender imbalance with much more men.

I myself am not gay, but I seem to have a genetic inclination towards enjoying the sight of two or more hot lesbians groping and getting it on.

you are a man, right? ...you talk about nothingness and illusions of time and you can't figure out such a simple thing? you like it because you like women. two women is of course two times better.

you're saying that because you are affected by it too, it does not mean it is "normal" whatever being normal really means. Define normal in terms of "straight"?

Define normal in terms of "straight"?

umm, being sexually excited by women only

if there was only women though... they couldn't like men because you can't desire something you have never seen. so many women would probably turn into lesbians.....

So if all the women fell of the face of the planet all the men would turn gay?? :shrug:

So if all the women fell of the face of the planet all the men would turn gay?? :shrug:

if all women were let to fall of the face of the planet, yes all men turned gay to let such happen

its not based on faith its based on having three children of my own, and knowing that i will never be able to raise them emotionally right witout my husband

Yes but your personal experience isn't enough to conclude that children need both male and female parents. I could give you an example of single sex parents that managed to raise a child perfectly healthy and well, and possibly even better emotionally. That would be a personal experience that's just as valid as yours.

All else being equal, children do best when raised by a married mother and father. It’s within this environment that children are most likely to be exposed to the emotional and psychological experiences they need in order to thrive.

Men and women bring diversity to parenting; each makes unique contributions to the rearing of children that can’t be replicated by the other. Mothers and fathers simply are not interchangeable. Two women can both be good mothers, but neither can be a good father.

Certainly homosexual couples can be just as loving as heterosexual couples, but children require more than love. They need the distinctive qualities and the complementary natures of a male and female parent.

The accumulated wisdom of over 2,000 years has concluded that the ideal marital and parental configuration is composed of one man and one woman. Arrogantly disregarding such time-tested wisdom, and using children as guinea pigs in a radical experiment, is risky at best, and cataclysmic at worst

The accumulated wisdom of over 2,000 years has concluded that the ideal marital and parental configuration is composed of one man and one woman. Arrogantly disregarding such time-tested wisdom, and using children as guinea pigs in a radical experiment, is risky at best, and cataclysmic at worst

Ideal in this case does not mean "best for the child" but rather "the most socially accepted." The simple fact that homosexual relationships and parentage have been suppressed or shunned played a big role towards that idealism. You can't take this to conclude that children are better off with heterosexual parents. It's like concluding pre-abolishment of slavery that black people simply aren't suited to be equal to whites.

So if all the women fell of the face of the planet all the men would turn gay?? :shrug:

not all, only half of them. i mean, imagine a world or place where there are only men and they have never heard about women. how could they desire something they have never seen or heard of?

you are born straight or gay. Are you saying all the straight children would turn gay?

Technology has just broken that requirement where male and female were biologically necessary to create a new life.

In what sense has technology affected nurture ?

In what sense has technology affected nurture ?
Guess we would have to wait and see how things take off!

you are born straight or gay. Are you saying all the straight children would turn gay?

we are born asexual (without sexuality).

Kind of an odd thing to get all worried about. Expensive and inconvenient high tech like that isn't going to replace something that people will do for free any chance they get.

As far as children needing fathers - they probably don't need so many of them. There are at least ten times as many men around as there needs to be for fathering children, modeling roles, etc.

Kind of an odd thing to get all worried about. Expensive and inconvenient high tech like that isn't going to replace something that people will do for free any chance they get.

As far as children needing fathers - they probably don't need so many of them. There are at least ten times as many men around as there needs to be for fathering children, modeling roles, etc.

in that statement are you saying that, a neighbour can raise my child? i am confused so please explain to me what you mean.

So if all the women fell of the face of the planet all the men would turn gay??

:eek::eek::eek:

Assuming the women all dropped dead and the men knew what they where missing...

Hard to say?
They might all end up killing each other because they become sexually frustrated and have no way to release? The gay ones would be the first to go...because the straight ones probably couldn't handle seeing them so happy.
Jealousy would flare. Some straight would rape each other and then go mental because their psych would tell them it was wrong.

I think the world would turn into a nightmare without women!

we are born asexual (without sexuality).

I call bullshit on you! :p

:eek::eek::eek:

Assuming the women all dropped dead and the men knew what they where missing...

Hard to say?
They might all end up killing each other because they become sexually frustrated and have no way to release? The gay ones would be the first to go...because the straight ones probably couldn't handle seeing them so happy.
Jealousy would flare. Some straight would rape each other and then go mental because their psych would tell them it was wrong.

I think the world would turn into a nightmare without women!

Would be like prison I suppose.

we are born asexual (without sexuality).

All the babies I have seen have sexual organs.

All the babies I have seen have sexual organs.

what i mean is that small children don't have sexual feelings... so they are asexual. sexuality is developed later.

I think the world would turn into a nightmare without women!

didn't something similar happen once... in ancient greek... the amazons...

[QUOTE=Yorda;1740958]what i mean is that small children don't have sexual feelings... so they are asexual. sexuality is developed later.


didn't something similar happen once... in ancient greek... the amazons...

That is not true. Infant boys respond with pleasure to having their penises rubbed. It was often done by nannies in Victorian times ,as a way of calming a child and getting it to sleep. I don't know whether the same thing applies to girls

Who moved this to Biology? The entire discussion since the OP has been nothing but anecdotal rambling, and has little to do with actual biology.

Biggest bullshit there is.
It's not only been posted dozens of times on sciforums; as people are amazed and shocked at what is occuring in front of their faces.

The truth however is something quite different. Sure. It gives lesbian couples the ability to create life.
It may eventually,- give way for the male couples to create their own born as well.
However,

A world without men obviously would not be agreeable.
Just as a world without women, would be very disagreeable :D
Imagine a world full of only women. What is the truth behind it?
It is the truth afterall behind it that IS searched for, is this not so?

Feminsim and lesbianism and gayness and all of thisnonsense comes into the picture and we find for certain that it is total bullshit.

Feminism will always be necessary. A world of men and woman will always be necessary. That is of course, until we start using robots to preform society instead of men and women (which is just as equally fucking 'cough' BULLSHIT).


So the point here is that this thread has no purpose. There is no such thing as a death of a father; there is no such thing as a death of a mother.

Without a father a child will grow up to be used to an entirely woman upbringing. This is not desired.

The only question that remains, of course is if actually an all woman world would be proper. Obviously no. An entirely woman world would be too sticky, too filled with nothing but silence; if you desire to consider what this would be like then post it or keep your mouth shut. We are getting nonsense remarks and no further truth to the topic that is obvious to us.

Clearly, it is obvious, ...

Afterall, ...

The thing is, however, that this particular discovery does not yet enable lesbian couples to create life together. They haven't been able to create mature sperm in the lab, and the researcher states it will take another 3-5 years of testing to get that part correct. They've taken a stem cell that was a muscle precursor, and changed it to be a germ stem cell. Not that this isn't amazing, but it doesn't hold the crazy societal implications that everyone here appears to be suggesting. Not yet anyway.

What's that dudes name on family guy.

You remind me of him :p

What's that dudes name on family guy.

You remind me of him :p

Stewie

Yes yes that's it.

What's that dudes name on family guy.

You remind me of him :p
And why is this, exactly?