Compare these two photographs and make up your own mind: 1. Hyrax basking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Hyrax) 2. Dartmoor Beast (http://www.forteantimes.com/strangedays/cryptozoology/546/dartmoor_mystery_beast.html)

It's a freakin' dog!

It's a dog, a bloody dog! Seriously, this (http://www.forteantimes.com/front_website/gallery.php?id=1226) is so obviously a dog its stupid to claim otherwise. And it definitely doesn't look like the other animal you link to.

Once again CCS you demonstrate you have no common sense!

lol.

It's a freakin' dog!No, the eye-witnesses who saw it moving said that it definitely WASN'T a dog. Some very intriguing photos of an unidentified ambling creature on Dartmoor (http://www.forteantimes.com/strangedays/cryptozoology/546/dartmoor_mystery_beast.html)


Martin, however, is adamant that the animal was not a dog: "I have worked with dogs all my life and it was definitely not canine. I have also seen a collie-sized black cat in the area, about 10 years ago, and it was not that – this was a lot bigger.

Hmm...the link says that I have to register. ._.

Hmm...the link says that I have to register. ._.Here's the Daily Mail article of same event Demon of Dartmoor: Mystery beast seen at hell hound's haunt (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-471673/Demon-Dartmoor-Mystery-beast-seen-hell-hounds-haunt.html).


The founder of the national research network Big Cats in Britain, Mark Fraser, said: "It looks like a wolverine or a bear in some shots and a big wild dog in others. It is a very strange animal."
Mr Whitley is adamant that the creature is not a wild dog.
He added: "I have worked with dogs all my life and it was definitely not that.
"I have seen a collie-sized black cat in the area about ten years ago and it was not that - this was a lot bigger.
"You would be surprised at the number of people who have seen black big cats and something resembling a small bear in the area over the course of the years."

roflcakes its a dog, looks nothing like whatever that huge rat/rabbit looking thing is

roflcakes its a dog, looks nothing like whatever that huge rat/rabbit looking thing isWhat? You don't reckon it's a dog? Short muzzle and small round ears, just like a hyrax..

Even the Beast of Gevaudan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beast_of_G%C3%A9vaudan) is shown with small ears, lighter underside etc..and here's the biggest clue:


Some pepole believed that the Beast might be a surviving remnants of a Mesonychid seeing how some witnesses described it as a huge wolf having hooves rather than paws.[7]:


modern hyraxes share numerous features with elephants, such as toenails, excellent hearing, sensitive pads on their feet, small tusks, good memory, high brain functions compared to other similar mammals, and the shape of some of their bones.[7]

It's a dog. I have three dogs, and some of my pics of them can look a bit odd at times too. At a guess, I would say the dog in question had some old English Sheepdog in it. Hence the coat. Common, you've been debunked yet again!

"It looks like a wolverine or a bear in some shots and a big wild dog in others. It is a very strange animal."So he admits in some photos it looks like a dog so rather than reaching the logical conclusion of "It's a dog which is rather rough looking" he thinks "Its a bear which is rather scrawny looking".

You ever seen a bear CSS? Looks nothing like that, the structure of the hips and legs are different. You'd definitely see it in a video as they move quite differently. It looks closer to a Hyrax than a bear but it still looks like a bloody dog!

Think about it logically. In every place in the world where you have bears, wolves, wild dogs and in fact any animal and humans leave food out the animals invariably realise its easy to scavenge from bins than from a forest etc. They make themselves easier to find, not harder. If you bumped a wolf or bear into the British countryside it might hide from humans initially but it'll eventually become comfortable enough to come into populated area for food. Then its seen, caught and perhaps killed. They don't remain elusive!

The whole "There's a beast of [name of place]!" nonsense requires you to believe animals will avoid a readily available supply of high energy food (ie human food) and deliberately avoid ALL contact or sighting of humans. In every place where humans and animals spend time near one another the animals get comfortable with people and have no problem trotting through built up areas. I once camped in Denali National Park in Alaska and despite there being only a few thousand people in an area 10% larger than Wales we still had a wild wolf walk through our camp site in daylight in front of about 8 of us.

So unless you believe that for some inexplicable reason this 'beast' behaves differently from ALL documented behaviour of wild predators you can't seriously think such an animal exists.

No, the eye-witnesses who saw it moving said that it definitely WASN'T a dog. Some very intriguing photos of an unidentified ambling creature on Dartmoor (http://www.forteantimes.com/strangedays/cryptozoology/546/dartmoor_mystery_beast.html)

And? I say it definitely IS a dog. Only an idiot would claim otherwise.

That might well be a dog in the photo, but you have to realise that there really was a giant hyrax living on Dartmoor.
Until the local yeti ate it.

The Beast of Dartmoor is only slightly more elusive than the Dinosaur of Oxford Street (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/picture-galleries/7094881/Dinosaurs-Unleashed-on-Oxford-Street-London-an-animatronic-dinosaur-experience.html).
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01568/ferns_1568189i.jpg

In every place where humans and animals spend time near one another the animals get comfortable with people and have no problem trotting through built up areas.

Exactly right. I grew up in the countryside, surrounded on three sides of the house by farmland, which mostly was used for growing wheat. Never saw much wildlife at night.

Now I live on the outskirts of a city, near a canal that runs from the centre of town, through a park, out to a nature reserve, and passes a McDonalds. I see foxes quite regularly. They use the towpath as a 'fox highway' linking all the great sources of food, from ducks and geese in the park and reserve, to abandoned food outside McDonalds and in the park bins, and often detouring around the houses (saw on on the corner by my place only a couple of weeks ago') to see what people have left out to be collected on 'bin day'.

And? I say it definitely IS a dog. Only an idiot would claim otherwise.You seem to forget that you weren't there were you? The eye-witness was a regular local who also has his own dogs all his life. He's seen big cats, and says that it wasn't the same. He says it didn't MOVE like a dog. How can people here claim to have a better opinion from only a photo, whilst this man saw the evidence in real life!? It's also VERY big, too big for a dog.

Hyraxes on the other hand were prolific during the past, sometimes evolving to the size of a pony. This is the rotund stature of the herbivorous hyrax imo.

You seem to forget that you weren't there were you? The eye-witness was a regular local who also has his own dogs all his life. He's seen big cats, and says that it wasn't the same. He says it didn't MOVE like a dog. How can people here claim to have a better opinion from only a photo, whilst this man saw the evidence in real life!? It's also VERY big, too big for a dog.

Hyraxes on the other hand were prolific during the past, sometimes evolving to the size of a pony. This is the rotund stature of the herbivorous hyrax imo.

I know a dog when I see one. Besides, why do you trust that guys say-so?
For all you know he's just making it up to get some attention, or maybe he's an idiot.
Do you ever practice any critical thinking at all? Do you think it looks like a dog?

Tell you what, if you can show that giant hyraxes exist in Dartmoor I will reconsider.

The head ISN'T that of a dog. Fact. The way it moved wasn't that of a dog. FACT.

The head ISN'T that of a dog. Fact.
Show me how exactly it isn't the head of a dog.


The way it moved wasn't that of a dog. FACT.
So you have seen it move then? Evidence please!


And whatever animal it is, it doesn't even remotely look like a hyrax.
I'll ask you again. What animal does it resemble most in your opinion?

It's too big for a dog!

1. Island gigantism can explain the large size. It would an advantage to look like a wolf from a distance and also be very large; it puts off potential predators. Hyraxes were widespread and more diverse in the past:


Evolution
All modern hyraxes are members of the family Procaviidae (the only living family within the Hyracoidea) and are found only in Africa and the Middle East. In the past, however, hyraxes were more diverse and widespread. The order first appears in the fossil record over 40 million years ago, and for many millions of years hyraxes were the primary terrestrial herbivore in Africa, just as odd-toed ungulates were in the Americas. There were many different species, the largest of them about the weight of a small horse, the smallest the size of a mouse. During the Miocene, however, competition from the newly-developed bovids—very efficient grazers and browsers—pushed the hyraxes out of the prime territory and into marginal niches. Nevertheless, the order remained widespread, diverse and successful as late as the end of the Pliocene (about two million years ago) with representatives throughout most of Africa, Europe and Asia.

The descendants of the giant hyracoids evolved in different ways. Some became smaller, and gave rise to the modern hyrax family. Others appear to have taken to the water (perhaps like the modern capybara), and ultimately gave rise to the elephant family, and perhaps also the Sirenians (dugongs and manatees). DNA evidence supports this hypothesis, and the small modern hyraxes share numerous features with elephants, such as toenails, excellent hearing, sensitive pads on their feet, small tusks, good memory, high brain functions compared to other similar mammals, and the shape of some of their bones.[7]

Hyraxes are sometimes described as being the closest living relative to the elephant.[8] Although relatively closely related, not all scientists support the proposal that hyraxes are the closest living relative of the elephant. Recent morphological and molecular based classifications reveal the Sirenians to be the closest living relatives of elephants, while hyraxes are closely related but form an outgroup to the assemblage of elephants, sirenians, and extinct orders like Embrithopoda and Desmostylia.[9]


(Also note that they are forbidden to be eaten in Jewish law, and so would achieve evolutionary advantage from non-human hunting in Isreal)

It's too big for a dog!
Maybe it's a giant dog :rolleyes:


It would an advantage to look like a wolf from a distance and also be very large
Especially since there aren't any wolves in Dartmoor :rolleyes:


(Also note that they are forbidden to be eaten in Jewish law, and so would achieve evolutionary advantage from non-human hunting in Isreal)
So?? :confused:

It requires a comprehension of the power of evolution over the many millenia since 40 million years ago!

It requires a comprehension of the power of evolution over the many millenia since 40 million years ago!

lol!
Perhaps you could start answering my questions.

It's too big for a dog!


The only way to tell the size of an object in an image is if there is somehting to compare it to.

There were more than one photo which showed people in the background..

I cant view the images because i am too lazy to register, the link did work but i dont recall any images that would prove its size.

Even still camera have a focal lenght, depth of field, f-stops, distortions of the parallax etc. Most of the time it is hard to judge the distance between two objects and that distorts the ability to accurateyl determine the size of the object further away.

Hyraxes on the other hand were prolific during the past, sometimes evolving to the size of a pony. This is the rotund stature of the herbivorous hyrax imo.So there's a large mammal living in the UK which, despite thousands of years of recorded human habitation, large scale deforestation and one of the most densely packed populations in the world, this 'dog sized hyrax species' has managed to avoid detection by everyone, including leaving behind no bones or tracks or droppings or anything.

So not only does an entire species of animal behave completely the opposite to all other documented animals (ie avoiding large food sources in population centres, as I mentioned in my last post) but it manages to hide all reference and evidence of its dead from the soil record and has done this for millenia despite the south of England being stripped of most forest, all other British native animals of that size being wiped out in the wild (bear, boar etc) and the human population exploding to tens of millions?!

Please explain to me how an entire large mammal species can not only avoid 30 million people, throughout history, but also leaves no bones or any other record of its existence which every other mammal in Britain has left in the soil.

Common sense would say you are wrong. But you don't have any common sense!

I was on Dartmoor just last summer. I saw ponies, sheep, cows and horses. And all of their faeces. A colony of them would be easy to spot, therefore.

Hey, CSS, why don't you try to get a satellite image of the area, and try and spot one! :lol:

There were more than one photo which showed people in the background..

Show us those photos, and the testimony of the people present then please.

OK, I registered at the FT and checked out the other pictures. This definitely just another 'shaggy dog' story!

It's a freakin' dog!
It's not a freakin' dog, it's a Hyrax!
I've found a picture of one which is even opposed to global warming.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:QY5pUY6obpfJ4M:http://servingneighbors.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/04/22/old_dog_new_tricks.jpg
Hyrax saving Planet

To Common Sense Seeker:
Seeker, this is outside your usual territory.

Do you as a matter of principle agree with anything which is plainly nonsense,
or are you just winding us up?

It's not a freakin' dog, it's a Hyrax!
I've found a picture of one which is even opposed to global warming.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:QY5pUY6obpfJ4M:http://servingneighbors.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/04/22/old_dog_new_tricks.jpg
Hyrax saving Planet

To Common Sense Seeker:
Seeker, this is outside your usual territory.

Do you as a matter of principle agree with anything which is plainly nonsense,
or are you just winding us up?LOL! :roflmao: nice photo.

No, I'm serious. It's the best fit of the evidence imo. Remember what Sherlock Holmes used to say..

Check out the similarities with Beast of Gevaudan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beast_of_G%C3%A9vaudan)

Check out the similarities with Beast of Gevaudan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beast_of_G%C3%A9vaudan)

That was also a dog/wolf.

Not by the descriptions it wasn't.


The appearance of a werewolf in its animal form varies from culture to culture, though they are most commonly portrayed as being indistinguishable from ordinary wolves save for the fact that they have no tail..

Not by the descriptions it wasn't.

It was a dog/wolf hybrid though, as Werewolves are creatures of myth and legend, and not actually real?

It was a dog/wolf hybrid though, as Werewolves are creatures of myth and legend, and not actually real?I'll highlight the simlarities between the legends of the Welsh Werewolf and the legends of the Wisht Hounds:


Most people have heard of the Beast of Bodmin Moor and the Surrey Puma.

But there is another violent creature roaming parts of the United Kingdom which has also killed people, and this animal is known as the Welsh Werewolf.

Records of an enormous wolf-like animal in North Wales date back to 1790, when a stagecoach travelling between Denbigh and Wrexham was attacked and overturned by an enormous black beast almost as long as the coach horses.

The terrifying animal tore into one of the horses and killed it, while the other horse broke free from its harness and galloped off into the night.

The attack took place just after dusk, with a full moon on the horizon. The moon that month seemed blood red, probably because of dust in the stratosphere from a recent forest fire in the Hatchmere area.

The locals thought the moon's colour was a sign that something evil was at large and the superstitious phrase, "bad moon on the rise" was whispered in travellers' inns across the region. In the winter of 1791, a farmer went into his snow-covered field just seven miles east of Gresford, and he saw enormous tracks that looked like those belonging to an overgrown wolf.

He followed the tracks with a blacksmith for two miles, and they led to a scene of mutilation which made the villagers in the area quake with fear that night.

One snow-covered field was a lake of blood dotted with carcasses of sheep, cattle, and even the farmer's dog.

The farmer was found locked up in his house in a terrible state. He wasn't harmed physically, but he was terrified. He had barricaded himself in after witnessing an enormous black animal that resembled a wolf ripping the throat out of his sheepdog.

The animal had then gone for the farmer, but he had managed to run into the farmhouse in time. He had bolted the heavy oaken door and hid under a table in the kitchen armed only with a pitchfork.

The farmer said the wolf pounded on the heavy oak door, almost knocking it off its hinges. The weird-looking animal then stood up on its hind legs like a human and looked in through the windows of the farmhouse.

Its eyes were blue and seemed intelligent and almost human-like. The beast foamed at the mouth as it peered in, then bolted from the window to commit carnage on the farm.

The church set up patrols in search of what was suspected to be a werewolf, and bands of villagers braved the freezing blizzards with lanterns, muskets and pitchforks in search of the beast, but only its tracks were ever seen.

Seven years later, two men walking across the Bickerton Hills in Cheshire saw something that sent them running for their lives.

They rushed into an inn and refused to continue their journey until morning. At dawn on the following day, the mutilated bodies of two vagrants were found in a wood just five miles from the inn.

The attacks by the large black wolf gradually died out, and the people of Cheshire and Wales breathed a sigh of relief.

But two centuries later, attacks by a large unidentified animal were reported again.

In February 1992, a national newspaper reported sightings of a strange bear-like animal that had been seen across Wales. In the north of the country, a farmer who had spotted the animal on the night of a full moon said he had afterwards found two of his lambs had been killed.

And in 2001 the local newspaper, the Evening Leader ran a series of articles about sightings of big cats, like a puma in Treuddyn, near Mold, and Bangor-on-Dee, near Wrexham.'

OK, I registered at the FT and checked out the other pictures. This definitely just another 'shaggy dog' story!Here's proof that Phlog was probably lying about the photos which show climbers in the background of the Dartmoor beast pictures. Demon of Dartmoor: Mystery beast seen at hell hound's haunt (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23406201-demon-of-dartmoor-mystery-beast-seen-at-hell-hounds-haunt.do). See for yourself how she twists the evidence and hides important photographs..

It's not a freakin' dog, it's a Hyrax!
I've found a picture of one which is even opposed to global warming.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:QY5pUY6obpfJ4M:http://servingneighbors.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/04/22/old_dog_new_tricks.jpg
Hyrax saving Planet
lol :D


To Common Sense Seeker:
Seeker, this is outside your usual territory.

Do you as a matter of principle agree with anything which is plainly nonsense,
or are you just winding us up?
I'm pretty sure it's the former. It's somewhat of a trend with him..

There were more than one photo which showed people in the background..

...walking their dog.

It's the best fit of the evidence imo.But you've said such things about physics ideas which were later falsified. Your opinion is not based on information or logic but delusion.


Remember what Sherlock Holmes used to say..But you haven't eliminated the obvious possibilities yet.

LOL! :roflmao: nice photo.

No, I'm serious. It's the best fit of the evidence imo. Remember what Sherlock Holmes used to say..

But....wha?? Sherlock Holmes isn't real.

But....wha?? Sherlock Holmes isn't real.Doh!!

Hyraxes do sometimes look very much like dogs.
Unscrupulous pet dealers are even selling them to unsuspecting families as pets.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:rCY8wu3gb5oTnM:http://www.cobankopegi.com/b/drang03.jpg
Baby saying hello to new "Dog" bought from cheapdog4u.com/hyrax

I've now realised that my last dog was a hyrax.
I thought he was just an ordinary dog.

Thanks for starting this thread CSS.
You've opened my eyes.

Here's proof that Phlog was probably lying about the photos which show climbers in the background of the Dartmoor beast pictures. Demon of Dartmoor: Mystery beast seen at hell hound's haunt (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23406201-demon-of-dartmoor-mystery-beast-seen-at-hell-hounds-haunt.do). See for yourself how she twists the evidence and hides important photographs..

I was lying? You stated such photos existed,and I asked you to link to them. This you have now done, and it makes it all the more obvious it was a dog in the picture!

I was not 'hiding' evidence, as that picture WAS NOT ON THE FORTEAN TIMES WEB SITE YOU LINKED TO PREVIOUSLY.

Get a fucking grip, YOU make the claims, you show the evidence.

You have shown what you have, and what you have, is a picture of a DOG.

Here's evidence that the cryptid-hyraxes are found in South America The Cryptid Zoo: Tapire-iauara (http://www.newanimal.org/tapir-nymph.htm). Note the hoofed similarites.

You think a page which just repeats folklore is 'evidence'? Where are the pictures, the documentation of sightings, interviews with eye witnesses, analysis of droppings, nests/hides/whatever etc by experts in animal behaviour?

You try to support rumour and myth by linking to a page which just reports rumour and myth!

Here's evidence that the cryptid-hyraxes are found in South America The Cryptid Zoo: Tapire-iauara (http://www.newanimal.org/tapir-nymph.htm). Note the hoofed similarites.

Possibility of some animals as yet undiscovered in the vast South American rain forest? Not unlikely at all.

Possibility of undiscovered, (excluding animals released from captivity) animals being found in the 400 square miles of Dartmoor? Very close to zero.

Fascinating: what do we have here.

An observation of a largish animal of uncertain character. Photographs show what many consider to be a dog. An eye witness claims it was undog like in its movement. Eye witnesses are notoriously unreliable. (I wouldn't accept my own eye witness testimony; why should I accept someone else's.) Most probably it is a dog. Perhaps, it is one of the large felines (e.g. panther) that some think are running wild in the UK. That is much less likely than the dog explanation, but not impossible.

Then along comes Common Sense Seeker. And in his opinion it is not a dog, it is not a cat, it is a hyrax.
In his opinion a hyrax best fits the evidence. This animal, of which Wikipedia says "from a distance (it) could be mistaken for a very well-fed rabbit or guinea pig", is the best fit for the evidence, according to CSS.
This animal, which has never been native to Britain in post-glacial times, which is found today only in Africa and the Middle East, is the best fit for the evidence!

Does anyone think, like me, that the evidence is pointing towards CSS being stark, raving bonkers?

Possibility of some animals as yet undiscovered in the vast South American rain forest? Not unlikely at all.

Possibility of undiscovered, (excluding animals released from captivity) animals being found in the 400 square miles of Dartmoor? Very close to zero.The area is bigger than that, there's no limit to their range, just like the big cats that roam undetected. There's no difference.

The area is bigger than that, there's no limit to their range, just like the big cats that roam undetected. There's no difference.Once again you demonstrate your inability to get even the simplest of facts correct. Captain Kremmen gave the area of Dartmoor as 400 square miles - an obvious rounding off of a more precise number. What is that more precise number? 368 square miles, according to the Dartmoor National Park Authority (http://www.dartmoor-npa.gov.uk/index/learningabout/lab-printableresources/lab-factsheetshome/lab-generalfactsheet.htm), who might be expected to know. But you think it is bigger than even the Captain's rounded up number of 400 square miles.

In terms of constructing a logical argument the rest of your statement is also unsound. The existence of big cats, released or escaped from private collections, has not been proven. You cannot, therefore, use their possible existence to serve as support for your argument that a giant hyrax could also exist.

What evidence do you have that this was not a large kangaroo? Or perhaps a new genus of chameleon that was caught as it changed from looking like a dog to looking like a hyrax?

The area is bigger than that, there's no limit to their range, just like the big cats that roam undetected. There's no difference.Please read the above carefully and think before replying.

and think before replying.Take your own advice!

The fifth claw reported from the Nandi Bear (http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/siren/552/af_nandi.html) tracks from Africa fits with the grooming claw of the hyrax, plus the drawings of the Beast of Gevaudan.


On the morning of March 8, 1913, one of the workers had an encounter with the Nandi Bear. He was an engineer named Hickes, and his sighting took place about 9:00 in the morning.

It was almost on the line when I first saw it and at that time it had already seen me and was making off at a right-angle to the line... As I got closer to the animal I saw it was not a hyena. At first I saw it nearly broadside on: it then looked about as high as a lion. In colour it was tawny--about like a black-maned lion--with very shaggy long hair. It was short and thick-set in the body, with high withers, and had a short neck and stumpy nose. It did not turn to look at me, but loped off--running with its forelegs and with both hind legs rising at the same time. As I got alongside it, it was about forty or fifty yards away, and I noticed it was very broad across the rump, had very short ears, and had no tail that I could see. As its hind legs came out of the grass I noticed the legs were very shaggy right down to the feet, and that the feet seemed large... This strange beast was first mentioned to me by Mr. Clifford Hill, who, on the first survey of this railway, had a young Dutch boy with him who came across one on the Koora Plains (Mile 71)... A native servant of one of the engineers, Mr. Archibald, also reported that he saw this strange animal, which he says, stood on its hind legs and looked at him... The only other instance of its actually having been seen is reported by a sub-contractor, Mr. Caviggia, who saw one at Mile 38, and his description is very like mine.

You've got Hyrax mania, CSS.
You're hyraxterical.

Late news... The crack South African animal anaesthesiologist sedation team ('Dart more beast') have arrived and managed to subdue the massive Hyrax with a single well placed shot to the upper left shoulder.
Unfortunately, the huge lumbering beast was not, in fact a Hyrax but our own Baron (hi!) Max who was out on a quick dash to the boozer whilst on his annual European sojourn.
When the top 'Dart more beast' marksman went to check his pulse, our Baron wrenched the dart gun from his cold red fingers and unloaded two more tranquilising shots into his own gut (no mean feat) and settled back for the ride.

As they say, 'when in Dartmoor, do as the Roamans do'.

Check out the similarities with Beast of Gevaudan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beast_of_G%C3%A9vaudan)

Thats very interesting. Well i guess anything is possible.

You've got Hyrax mania, CSS.
You're hyraxterical.lol. Not bad..


Thats very interesting. Well i guess anything is possible.Thanks for your enthusiasm. Much appreciated.

lol. Not bad..


:cheers:

Thanks CSS. I must say that I like your posts, even if they are off the wall.
I know a lot more about hyraxes than I did a week ago.

Late news... The crack South African animal anaesthesiologist sedation team ('Dart more beast') have arrived and managed to subdue the massive Hyrax with a single well placed shot to the upper left shoulder.
Unfortunately, the huge lumbering beast was not, in fact a Hyrax but our own Baron (hi!) Max who was out on a quick dash to the boozer whilst on his annual European sojourn.
When the top 'Dart more beast' marksman went to check his pulse, our Baron wrenched the dart gun from his cold red fingers and unloaded two more tranquilising shots into his own gut (no mean feat) and settled back for the ride.

As they say, 'when in Dartmoor, do as the Roamans do'.

I'm missing the Baron.
It won't be long before they've cleared out all the mavericks, loonies and idiots, and we'll have to discuss proper science.

:cheers:
Thanks CSS. I must say that I like your posts, even if they are off the wall. I know a lot more about hyraxes than I did a week ago.:cheers:

Wow...CCS you suck at biology

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-472909/Thats-Beast-Dartmoor--pet-dog.html


When a picture emerged of a hulking beast stalking the moors, one woman wasn't chilled by rumours of its gaping jaws, glowing eyes and blood-curdling howls.
That's because Lucinda Reid recognised the "Demon of Dartmoor" as ... her pet dog.
The two-year-old Newfoundland - called Troy - weighs in at a whopping 12 stones. But, far from being ferocious, he's as gentle as a lamb.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-472909/Thats-Beast-Dartmoor--pet-dog.html#ixzz0eU4q4lPP


Compare the picture of her dog and the beast.

Lucinda Reid could well be one of the people who have been tricked into buying a Hyrax by unscrupulous dog dealers.

In fact Hyraxes are a much better pet, and the dog's days may be over as top dog.
Or "Top Hyrax", as it will in the future be known.

Wow...CCS you suck at biology

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-472909/Thats-Beast-Dartmoor--pet-dog.html

Compare the picture of her dog and the beast.You're eyesight is a bit dodgy perhaps? Are you color-blind? Where's the grey patches on the chocolate coloured Troy, who still looks like a puppy?

Yes McGyver, you suck at Eyesight!

Yes McGyver, you suck at Eyesight!

I guess I do. Silly me for thinking that a dog who is the same size, and shape, who lives near where the photo was taken could possible be just a dog. Obviously this is an NWO plot to replace dogs with Hyraxs.

Wow...CCS you suck at biology

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-472909/Thats-Beast-Dartmoor--pet-dog.html



Compare the picture of her dog and the beast.

Haha! Awesome :D

:thumbsup:

@CSS: Perhaps now it's time to admit that you were wrong?

Troy, Lucinda's Newfoundland. Alias the Hyrax.

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/08_01/1BeastBodminAPX_468x381.jpg


What a beautiful dog, (I mean Hyrax.)
I want one.
Little known fact. The dog in the original play version of Peter Pan was a Newfie.

Why can't the owner be seen for miles around then? The photos clearly show the animal on its own, without a leader or collar. No other person was seen by all the witnesses who had commanding hill top vantage points!! http://www.boneclones.com/BC-070.htm
http://www.nhc.ed.ac.uk/index.php?page=493.170.281

Why can't the owner be seen for miles around then? The photos clearly show the animal on its own, without a leader or collar.

Just because you can't see a collar, doesn't mean there isn't one. If that woman claims it was her dog, it probably was, and being so hairy, it's very likely you just can't see the collar. One of my dogs is hairy, not as hairy as that newfoundland, and you can't see her collar!

Just because you can't see a collar, doesn't mean there isn't one. If that woman claims it was her dog, it probably was, and being so hairy, it's very likely you just can't see the collar. One of my dogs is hairy, not as hairy as that newfoundland, and you can't see her collar!If it was a wild dog, i.e. with no owner as witnessed and photographed, then it would be easily trapped with a meat bait. It hasn't been, because its herbivorous imo.

If it was a wild dog, i.e. with no owner as witnessed and photographed, then it would be easily trapped with a meat bait. It hasn't been, because its herbivorous imo.

It's not a wild dog, though is it, the owner has come forward. You just can't see the collar for all the fur. IT'S A DOG, and YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN!

What don't you understand about the OWNER OF THE DOG COMING FORWARD?

How about the hound of the baskervilles?

It's not a wild dog, though is it, the owner has come forward. You just can't see the collar for all the fur. IT'S A DOG, and YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN!

What don't you understand about the OWNER OF THE DOG COMING FORWARD?Because its more likely that her dog wasn't the one in the photo because its not the same colour, it didn't move the same and there's no owner seen with it for miles!!

How about the hound of the baskervilles?Yes, a popular account with similar characteristics imo

Perhaps a synopsis of the plot of the "Hound of the Baskervilles will help:

The Hound of the Baskervilles opens with a mini mystery—Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson speculate on the identity of the owner of a cane that has been left in their office by an unknown visitor. Wowing Watson with his fabulous powers of observation, Holmes predicts the appearance of James Mortimer, owner of the found object and a convenient entrée into the baffling curse of the Baskervilles.


Entering the office and unveiling an 18th century manuscript, Mortimer recounts the myth of the lecherous Hugo Baskerville. Hugo captured and imprisoned a young country lass at his estate in Devonshire, only to fall victim to a marauding hound of hell as he pursued her along the lonesome moors late one night. Ever since, Mortimer reports, the Baskerville line has been plagued by a mysterious and supernatural black hound. The recent death of Sir Charles Baskerville has rekindled suspicions and fears. The next of kin, the duo finds out, has arrived in London to take up his post at Baskerville Hall, but he has already been intimidated by an anonymous note of warning and, strangely enough, the theft of a shoe.

Agreeing to take the case, Holmes and Watson quickly discover that Sir Henry Baskerville is being trailed in London by a mysterious bearded stranger, and they speculate as to whether the ghost be friend or foe. Holmes, however, announces that he is too busy in London to accompany Mortimer and Sir Henry to Devonshire to get to the bottom of the case, and he sends Dr. Watson to be his eyes and ears, insisting that he report back regularly.

Once in Devonshire, Watson discovers a state of emergency, with armed guards on the watch for an escaped convict roaming the moors. He meets potential suspects in Mr. Barrymore and Mrs. Barrymore, the domestic help, and Mr. Jack Stapleton and his sister Beryl, Baskerville neighbors.

A series of mysteries arrive in rapid succession: Barrymore is caught skulking around the mansion at night; Watson spies a lonely figure keeping watch over the moors; and the doctor hears what sounds like a dog's howling. Beryl Stapleton provides an enigmatic warning and Watson learns of a secret encounter between Sir Charles and a local woman named Laura Lyons on the night of his death.

Doing his best to unravel these threads of the mystery, Watson discovers that Barrymore's nightly jaunts are just his attempt to aid the escaped con, who turns out to be Mrs. Barrymore's brother. The doctor interviews Laura Lyons to assess her involvement, and discovers that the lonely figure surveying the moors is none other than Sherlock Holmes himself. It takes Holmes—hidden so as not to tip off the villain as to his involvement—to piece together the mystery.


Mr. Stapleton, Holmes has discovered, is actually in line to inherit the Baskerville fortune, and as such is the prime suspect. Laura Lyons was only a pawn in Stapleton's game, a Baskerville beneficiary whom Stapleton convinced to request and then miss a late night appointment with Sir Charles. Having lured Charles onto the moors, Stapleton released his ferocious pet pooch, which frightened the superstitious nobleman and caused a heart attack.

In a dramatic final scene, Holmes and Watson use the younger Baskerville as bait to catch Stapleton red-handed. After a late supper at the Stapletons', Sir Henry heads home across the moors, only to be waylaid by the enormous Stapleton pet. Despite a dense fog, Holmes and Watson are able to subdue the beast, and Stapleton, in his panicked flight from the scene, drowns in a marshland on the moors. Beryl Stapleton, who turns out to be Jack's harried wife and not his sister, is discovered tied up in his house, having refused to participate in his dastardly scheme.

Back in London, Holmes ties up the loose ends, announcing that the stolen shoe was used to give the hound Henry's scent, and that mysterious warning note came from Beryl Stapleton, whose philandering husband had denied their marriage so as to seduce and use Laura Lyons. Watson files the case closed.



From http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/hound/summary.html

here's someone who's done their research and agrees with my findings of a herbivorous odd-toed ungulate for the Patagonian water tigers Guide to Patagonia's Monsters & Mysterious beings (http://patagoniamonsters.blogspot.com/2009/10/iemisch-patagonian-water-tiger.html):


Dear A. M. Lowey,

thank you for your comment on my blog entry about Iemsich. I appreciate feed-back!
I learnt something today, and that is good.

Your comment is interesting because it seems to confirm my hypothesis (see my entry) on the Patagonian Tapir), which is an odd-toed (3 toes and four toes) Perissodactyl.

I think I will elaborate on this subject and post on it.

Best regards,

Yes, that's all very well, but did you read the plot of the Hound of the Baskervilles.
Please read it.
It explains a great deal.

Man...talking with CSS is like talking to a 9/11 truther. So convinced of his own beliefs, nothing will sway their unfounded theories.

Just curious...what's the weather like in Dartmoor? Hyraxs have poor thermoregulation, could they even live in that environment?

If it was a wild dog, i.e. with no owner as witnessed and photographed, then it would be easily trapped with a meat bait. It hasn't been, because its herbivorous imo.

Or maybe that is because it has a home :rolleyes:

Why can't the owner be seen for miles around then? The photos clearly show the animal on its own, without a leader or collar. No other person was seen by all the witnesses who had commanding hill top vantage points!! http://www.boneclones.com/BC-070.htm
http://www.nhc.ed.ac.uk/index.php?page=493.170.281

What do those links have to do with that :confused:
And why were they looking for an owner? Was it because it is a dog?

Because its more likely that her dog wasn't the one in the photo because its not the same colour, it didn't move the same and there's no owner seen with it for miles!!

She has identified it as her dog. CASE CLOSED.

Just because the collar wasn't seen doesn't mean it wasn't there.
Just because you say no owner was seen doesn't mean she wasn't there.
Just because someone said it didn't move like a dog doesn't mean it didn't move like a 70kg dog moves.

You got nothing, IT'S A DOG, AS PROVEN BY THE OWNER.

I guess someone has never heard of "Occam's razor".

I guess someone has never heard of "Occam's razor".
I have!
That's the one you put under a pyramid to keep it sharp... :p

And you do need a shave.

Man...talking with CSS is like talking to a 9/11 truther. So convinced of his own beliefs, nothing will sway their unfounded theories.

Just curious...what's the weather like in Dartmoor? Hyraxs have poor thermoregulation, could they even live in that environment?The south west is warmed from the Gulf Stream and the height of the moors is low, giving average daytime sleeping temps comparable to that of the very high altitude of the Ethiopian population. I would guess that nightime temps aren't so much of a problem since the hyraxes are active and feeding.

She has identified it as her dog. CASE CLOSED.So she's an expert on photograph spotting of her own dog is she, despite them being different in color?! She may have been there on the same day, but that doesn't make it her dog! :roflmao:

Here's someone who has some genuine knowledge of science and investigation who's emailed me to confirm our findings:


Dear A. M. Lowey,

thank you for your comment on my blog entry about Iemsich. I appreciate feed-back!
I learnt something today, and that is good.

Your comment is interesting because it seems to confirm my hypothesis (see my entry) on the Patagonian Tapir), which is an odd-toed (3 toes and four toes) Perissodactyl.

I think I will elaborate on this subject and post on it.

Best regards,

Austin Whittall

The current model says south america and africa split 110 million years ago, but ungulates arrived around 54 million years ago. So if the cryptids are the same thing, its more likely they have a common ancestor of a Mesonychid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesonychia)

So she's an expert on photograph spotting of her own dog is she, despite them being different in color?!
How do you know they're different in colour?
Have you checked the lighting conditions when each photo was taken? Have you checked the film used?

The most important thing to study is the original Sherlock Holmes story, which shows the nature of the beast.

Not my opinion, but the opinion of the World's greatest detective.

See post 76.

How do you know they're different in colour?
Have you checked the lighting conditions when each photo was taken? Have you checked the film used?lol :roflmao:


The most important thing to study is the original Sherlock Holmes story, which shows the nature of the beast.

Not my opinion, but the opinion of the World's greatest detective.

See post 76.Captain, Conan Doyle (the author) is an interesting historical literary figure and took inspiration from many differing events and accounts of the day.

lol :roflmao:

Captain, Conan Doyle (the author) is an interesting historical literary figure and took inspiration from many differing events and accounts of the day.

" A historical literary figure"
So you admit than Conan Doyle existed then?
And, in consequence, that his theories on the Dartmoor beast have validity?

Have you read the story yet?

The current model says south america and africa split 110 million years ago, but ungulates arrived around 54 million years ago. So if the cryptids are the same thing, its more likely they have a common ancestor of a Mesonychid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesonychia)I even think that they could have been joined 55 million years ago due to continental drift accelerating in the glacial periods so that overall they move TWICE as fast as the current speed.

CK; No, I haven't. Too painful. I know the story well and I've read Fortean Times articles about the man and the surrounding legends of huge bear-hounds.

lol
So you're unaware (or choose to ignore) how colour varies with lighting conditions and film used?
Examples - same colour, different times (therefore different lighting):
http://www.kalfakis.gr/images/scale/FScolors/f104example1.jpg
http://www.kalfakis.gr/images/scale/FScolors/f104example3.jpg
http://www.kalfakis.gr/images/scale/FScolors/f104example2.jpg

It still would show the difference between tones of shade though. The Dartmoor beast photo shows gray and black, Troy only shows chocolate.

The south west is warmed from the Gulf Stream and the height of the moors is low, giving average daytime sleeping temps comparable to that of the very high altitude of the Ethiopian population. I would guess that nightime temps aren't so much of a problem since the hyraxes are active and feeding.

Clearly you haven't been to Dartmoor. Well equipped walkers caught out by the weather die of exposure up there.

The highest points are around 2,000ft, not 'low', btw, as 3,000ft counts as being a mountain.

lol :roflmao:

Captain, Conan Doyle (the author) is an interesting historical literary figure and took inspiration from many differing events and accounts of the day.

Conan Doyle also got duped by those kids with their fake fairy photos. What's your point exactly?

The beast has a tail in the photos. (the same size, shape and furriness of Troy's tail), but Hyraxs don't have tails...How do you account for that? The beast has long legs..(the size, shape, furriness of Troy's legs), Hyrax have short, stubby legs...how do you account that?

The beast has a tail in the photos. (the same size, shape and furriness of Troy's tail), but Hyraxs don't have tails...How do you account for that?
Proof that giant hyraxes* have tails, of course. :rolleyes:

* Hyraxes? Hyraces? Hyraxen?
F*ck it, those animals.

So she's an expert on photograph spotting of her own dog is she, despite them being different in color?!


But was it a different color? You say the beast had some grey in it. Couldn't that just be the light shining off the shiny parts of his coat? Take a look at my picture in my avatar. My hair is a solid brown color...but since apparently I was using a good conditioner, my hair is nice and shiny. Light reflecting off these shiny parts makes my hair look lighter in some parts, than it really is, in the low-res photo.



She may have been there on the same day, but that doesn't make it her dog! :roflmao:

Wow..what color is the sky in your world? What's more likely? That it was a previously unknown giant species of an animal that lives no where near the area, in a completely different climate?

The photo in the ForteanTimes article (which anyone can register free of charge for) shows the colours of the people in the background quite vividly, with reds, browns and blacks etc with which to compare shades and lighting effects. When done, one can see that the color of the animal can be catagorically stated as shaggy black with grey tinge, with a grey neck and throat area.

" A historical literary figure"
So you admit than Conan Doyle existed then?
And, in consequence, that his theories on the Dartmoor beast have validity?

Have you read the story yet?

..........................waiting.
................................................wa iting.

OK, don't read the story.
I'll tell you.
The point of the Conan Doyle Story is that the Spectral Hound is not a demon, but a large dog.
Probably a Newfoundland, just like Lucinda's dog.
Even Conan Doyle didn't believe in the Hound, and he believed in Fairies!

Please read the above carefully and think before replying.
I originally took you to task for this remark.

The area is bigger than that (the 400 square miles noted CaptainKremmen), there's no limit to their range, just like the big cats that roam undetected. There's no difference.
I pointed out that Dartmoor was smaller than this. (368 square miles).

Your response, which I have only just noticed:

Please read the above carefully and think before replying.
I readily concede that the subtlety of your argument was not evident at first. You seem to think that the hyraxes could be roaming well beyond the confines of Dartmoor. That does render my initial criticism invalid, but it simply raises two (not one) errors in your thinking.
1. Big cats are territorial, therefore they very definitely have ranges.
2. There are major roads and urban settlements surrounding Dartmoor, so why aren't we seeing there corpses as road kill, or hearing of frightened housewives startled as a hyrax plunges through their rose garden?

CSE, your proposal was amusing at first. Your adherence to it once the dog's owner has come forward is simply pathetic. If I was a decent sort I would take pity on your stupidity and just walk away, but frankly I find your willful ignorance offensive and am happy to seek out any opportunity to hold you up to ridicule. God, or nature, or chance, did not give us a brain to waste on such nonsense. Grow up for ****'s sake.

The photo in the ForteanTimes article (which anyone can register free of charge for) shows the colours of the people in the background quite vividly, with reds, browns and blacks etc with which to compare shades and lighting effects. When done, one can see that the color of the animal can be catagorically stated as shaggy black with grey tinge, with a grey neck and throat area.No answer to this have you mainstreamers?

It has been answered clearly by more than one poster. Stop being congenitally stupid. Oh, wait. If your condition is congenital, then I guess you can't stop.

The dog is not in the same location as the people in the background. Therefore it is not necessarily in the same lighting conditions. Therefore it will not necessarily display as clearly as they do.

You are completely ignoring that we do not see directly, but that our optical system interprets what is there. Look at this site and scroll down to the chessboard. Here the 'black' square is actually the same shade/colour as the white square. They appear different because of their context. The situation with the dog is analogous.

So you have three potential explanations for the differences:

1. Specific lighting conditions on the subject and the rest of the environment.
2. The way the visual system works in the human brain.
3. Technical capability of the camera, its setting and the film characteristics.

You have heard of Occam's razor, haven't you? Here we are with a woman quite readily saying "it's my dog", but you wish to propose that there is more evidence for it being a creature wholly unknown to science. I mean really!:rolleyes:

lol..

No answer to this have you mainstreamers?


lol..

That is our answer.

lol..Here's evidence that the giant hyrax exists on the American continent as well The Honey Island Swamp Monster (http://jmichaelms.tripod.com/HIS/). The prints are of 4 front toes and 3 back toes of a giant hyrax imo! :)

Here's evidence that the giant hyrax exists on the American continent as well The Honey Island Swamp Monster (http://jmichaelms.tripod.com/HIS/). The prints are of 4 front toes and 3 back toes of a giant hyrax imo! :)

The article doesn't even mention Hyrax. You just really really want these things to exist, don't you?

What's wrong with finding the truth to a monster mystery? Better for everyone surely? They would become protected and a vast area of habitat will become protected as well hopefully. A giant species of the ice age, intelligent enough to remain undetected under our noses? What a story!

Compare these two photographs and make up your own mind: 1. Hyrax basking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Hyrax) 2. Dartmoor Beast (http://www.forteantimes.com/strangedays/cryptozoology/546/dartmoor_mystery_beast.html)

Looks like a dog.

Looks like a dog.It leaves tracks with three toes and four toes though. Hunters are familiar with dog tracks, and the Louisiana officials would easily be able to identify them if that was the case.

dog!

Y-a-w-n

It leaves tracks with three toes and four toes though. Hunters are familiar with dog tracks, and the Louisiana officials would easily be able to identify them if that was the case.

Louisiana? I thought this was about the DARTMOOR 'beast'?

It leaves tracks with three toes and four toes though. Hunters are familiar with dog tracks, and the Louisiana officials would easily be able to identify them if that was the case.

Where does it say that?

Louisiana? I thought this was about the DARTMOOR 'beast'?
It is the Dartmoor Beast. It just happens to be in Louisiana at the moment. Earlier CSS said this:

there's no limit to their range,

It is the Dartmoor Beast. It just happens to be in Louisiana at the moment. Earlier CSS said this:

Oh great.. lol

Louisiana? I thought this was about the DARTMOOR 'beast'?

They have a magic carpet, piloted by Leprichauns.

The hyrax hypothesis makes sense for both the European/African continent as it does for the North/South American continent. The evidence fits perfectly. It doesn't tie in with the rate of continental drift though but I have an additional hypothesis which would more than double the rate so that Pangea dissipated much later than currently thought.

btw 'An American Werewolf In London' classic horror movie depited the beast just as described; muscular haunches with a hairy mane, attacks to the throat, short/no tail etc. It's all there to the initiated.

but I have an additional hypothesis .I'm sure you do.

The evidence fits perfectly.No, you mean there isn't any evidence at all so its not falsified. But then you can't prove a negative. If you claim there's such an animal and I claim there isn't it isn't contingent on me searching the entire British isles, looking in every cave, under every rock and in every tree. It is contingent on you to provide evidence for your claim. If such animals exist then why are no tracks, no droppings, no bones, no bodies, no evidence of any kind other than long distance blurred photography found?! If these animals aren't clever enough to avoid humans with a camera why are they clever enough to leave absolutely ZERO physical evidence they exist?

Ask any animal tracker how they track animals and you'll get answers like "Their tracks, their droppings, remnants of their meals and their nests/homes/dens". Animals don't clear up their food and their shit when they are done, they just walk off. So why isn't there a single bit of 'Giant Hyrax crap' ever seen in the UK? If there's a carnivorous animal in the UK why don't we find half eaten sheep, goats, cows and people. Does it photoshop itself out of newspaper photos too?

The evidence, as seen by examining the behaviour of every large land animal on the planet, is they shit where they like and they leave plenty of evidence of their existence (even if they are hard to catch). Yet you have a magical animal who cleans up their poo, their food, their dead and their tracks. Wow, talk about a tidy animal!

Ask any animal tracker how they track animals and you'll get answers like "Their tracks, their droppings, remnants of their meals and their nests/homes/dens". Animals don't clear up their food and their shit when they are done, they just walk off. So why isn't there a single bit of 'Giant Hyrax crap' ever seen in the UK? If there's a carnivorous animal in the UK why don't we find half eaten sheep, goats, cows and people. Does it photoshop itself out of newspaper photos too?Read THIS report of hunters who have found evidence; prints which show both three and four toed tracks! Harlan Ford The Hunter's Story (http://jmichaelms.tripod.com/HIS/)

That only goes to illustrate my point. An animals which is huge and if it can kill 3 boars in the space of 3 days it would require an enormous area to range over to support even a small population doesn't leave any droppings or bones or evidence for its existence other than 2 eye witnesses over 40 years?

There's a minimum size a population, of any kind, can survive it for long periods of time due to issues like inbreeding. You can't have a healthy population survive if its only got a single male and female as its 'parents', within 4 or 5 generations it would be too ill to last. With selective breeding (ie keeping track of whose related to who) you still need more than about 30 people to be anywhere close to safe for lengthy periods of time. So if this 7 foot creature exists it'll need to be in a population of probably a few hundred, if its survived for thousands of years, and to feed such a population you'd need an enormous area of swamp. In Africa a single pack of lions can range over thousands of acres and they eat less frequently than your supposed creature kills. So a population of say 500 of these things would need more than just the swamps, they'd need most of the Bible belt!

So while man has been in North America its been hiding within the swamps of Louisiana such that it leaves no bodies, no marks on trees or animals which can be traced back to it and far enough from human settlements (which get ever deeper into the swamps) to not been seen by anything more than 3 or 4 people in decades. Further more it has managed to remove its entire evolutionary mark from the fossil record of the continent. Wow, for millions of years its been destroying its dead such that no skeletons exist anywhere. Why? For what possible end could such a behaviour arise?

You are required to assume they are sufficiently intelligent to deliberately avoid all humans not just now but in the past and to avoid leaving any trace for any human to find ever! There's "its a bit ellusive" to "the entire species has been covering all record of their existence for the past few million years". If they are that clever they'd be running the planet, not us.

Read THIS report of hunters who have found evidence; prints which show both three and four toed tracks! Harlan Ford The Hunter's Story (http://jmichaelms.tripod.com/HIS/)

You only see what you want to see. I guess you missed this part:


Special Notice: M.K. Davis and I, while working on a documentary in the Honey Island Swamp discovered evidence that suggests the Honey Island Swamp Monster is likely a hoax

You only see what you want to see. I guess you missed this part:

And the evidence that it is likely a hoax can be found by following the link in that textbox.
http://jmichaelms.tripod.com/HIS/suspect.htm

70,000 acres is a BIG enough area! Very remote indeed with treacherous swamps and a big river.


It was 1963 and Harlan Ford with his buddy Billy Mills were in the deep woods of the swamp looking for an old abandoned camp they had spotted for the air. Harlan was an Air Traffic Controller in New Orleans and he often flew over the 70,000 acres of swampy wilderness in southern Louisiana.
Today the two skilled hunters were on foot and making their way back deep toward where Harlan thought he had seen the camp. When they broke out into a clearing they stopped in awe, in front of them was a massive creature on all fours..

btw 'An American Werewolf In London' classic horror movie depited the beast just as described; muscular haunches with a hairy mane, attacks to the throat, short/no tail etc. It's all there to the initiated.

Ah, you get all your ideas from works of fiction. Enough said.

The original author must have had personal experience or at least detailed knowledge from investigation imo

The original author must have had personal experience or at least detailed knowledge from investigation imo

Post 127. Click on the link.

I don't believe this kind old man of the woods could make something like this up. Anyone could have hoaxed the show and potato foot imo!

I don't believe this kind old man of the woods could make something like this up. Anyone could have hoaxed the show and potato foot imo!

You don't want to believe it, because it would mean your giant hyrax doesn't exist...and you SOOOOO want that to be true.

I don't believe this kind old man of the woods could make something like this up. Anyone could have hoaxed the show and potato foot imo!

LOL
So that's hoaxed and not the beast?
Man..! :bugeye:

70,000 acres is a BIG enough area! Very remote indeed with treacherous swamps and a big river.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion

300 lions in a nature reserve (which are always too small) live in 560 square miles. 70,000 acres is 110 square miles. So 70,000 acres, on the scale of carnivores which are smaller than the creature you claim to exist, is enough for only about 60 lions. 60 lions. And there's a hell of a lot of large meaty animals living in Africa, unlike in the swamps of the Deep South.

Rather than doing 'research' into make believe animals try looking at the behaviour of REAL animals.

CommonSense Seeker, it is people like you who give the criminally insane a bad name. For once will you not bow to logic and the common sense you so desperately seek and admit that your beliefs concerning a giant hyrax are mere delusions?

CommonSense Seeker, it is people like you who give the criminally insane a bad name. For once will you not bow to logic and the common sense you so desperately seek and admit that your beliefs concerning a giant hyrax are mere delusions?

You'd have a better chance getting me to admit I hate beer. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion

300 lions in a nature reserve (which are always too small) live in 560 square miles. 70,000 acres is 110 square miles. So 70,000 acres, on the scale of carnivores which are smaller than the creature you claim to exist, is enough for only about 60 lions. 60 lions. And there's a hell of a lot of large meaty animals living in Africa, unlike in the swamps of the Deep South.

Rather than doing 'research' into make believe animals try looking at the behaviour of REAL animals.AN, try to keep up, hyraxes are herbivorous and I'm saying that they DON'T eat meat, despite killing trespassers with a viscious bite to the neck!

AN, try to keep up, hyraxes are herbivorous and I'm saying that they DON'T eat meat, despite killing trespassers with a viscious bite to the neck!

What? I thought their throats were ripped out..

What? I thought their throats were ripped out..Doesn't make them carnivorous though. No evidence of them eating the kills..

Doesn't make them carnivorous though. No evidence of them eating the kills..
There isn't even any evidence that it's Hyraxes that are doing it!

Number 2 looks like a wolf with Mange but that is just me.

Number 2 looks like a wolf with Mange but that is just me.

Dude, just flush it! We don't wanna know what it looks like! :eek:

There isn't even any evidence that it's Hyraxes that are doing it!Whatever is doing it doesn't appear to be carnivorous - FACT.

Whatever is doing it doesn't appear to be carnivorous - FACT.

What is that 'fact' based on?
Not that it has much relevance..

Louisiana? I thought this was about the DARTMOOR 'beast'?

CSS did say it had a large territory.

CSS did say it had a large territory.You've heard of jaguars in South America, right? and you've heard of leopards in Africa, right? Are these two creatures not very much the same??

Well, they's both Puggy Cats I spose.

The theme continues in another thread here Is The Werewolf/Hyrax Hypothesis Credible? (http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=176496). There's also a book on the subject Hunting the American Werewolf: Beast Men in Wisconsin and Beyond By Linda S. Godfrey (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=D0oLhatcGxAC&printsec=references&dq=big+thicket+monster&vq=%22In+the+big+thicket%22&source=gbs_citations_module_r&cad=5)

The theme continues..Why so many rodents? (see post#126) ( http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=176496&st=120)

Why so many rodents? (see post#126) ( http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=176496&st=120)

You have to be a member to view images. Why do you keep linking that thread on another forum?

You have to be a member to view images. Why do you keep linking that thread on another forum?It was from an article in the latest New Scientist Accidental origins: Where species come from 10 March 2010 by Bob Holmes (http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20527511.400-accidental-origins-where-species-come-from.html?page=3)

New PHOTO of Giant Hyrax! Photograph Of Dartmoor Beast (http://www.legendarydartmoor.co.uk/Images2/Beast.gif)


I have recieved an email from Duncan Rogers who kindly enclosed a photograph he took at 9.30pm on Saturday the 14th of June 2008. He walked up to Longaford Tor (OS grid reference SX 61558 77946) and took a photograph of what he presumed was the sun setting on Dartmoor. However, when he got home and downloaded the picture he noticed that not only had he captured the sunset but also what appeared to be a puma on the nearby southern outcrop of the tor. As can be seen below, at first the mystery figure is not obvious but the more the picture is enlarged the more the puma-like figure becomes clear, so my thanks to Duncan for allowing me to put the 'Beast of Longaford' on this page.

Check this out Baboon vs Hyrax (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2NVu6F-eV4)

New PHOTO of Giant Hyrax! Photograph Of Dartmoor Beast (http://www.legendarydartmoor.co.uk/Images2/Beast.gif)

That's a Lynx (or some similar big cat, but most likely a Lynx). Are you blind?

That's a Lynx (or some similar big cat). Are you blind?Pumas could exist the same local as herbivorous hyrax. It would be a symbiotic relationship for both to remain undetected and shrouded in mystery.

pumas could exist the same local as herbivorous hyrax. It would be a symbiotic relationship for both to remain undetected and shrouded in mystery.

It's a Lynx or a Puma (good call :rolleyes:)

Here two pictures of a Puma to compare with your 'Hyrax':

http://wildlifemysteries.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/cougar.jpg

http://www.wildlifemanagementpro.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/mountain-lion-reports.jpg

http://www.legendarydartmoor.co.uk/Images2/Beast.gif

Why has the face in the photo pointed then? Also pumas don't squat on their hind legs and sit upright in a sentry position like a meercat! The ears are small and rounded whilst the puma's are pointed!! Are you blind!

Why has the face in the photo pointed then?
It is not pointed. It looks exactly like the Puma faces in the pictures I provided!


Also pumas don't squat on their hind legs and sit upright in a sentry position like a meercat!
So? It isn't doing that in the picture! It's sneaking up to something.


The ears are small and rounded whilst the puma's are pointed!!
Oh really? They look pretty much exactly the same as the ears on this Puma.
Puma ears are NOT pointy.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3471/3724666893_dc17afde08.jpg


Are you blind!
No. You are. Or else you are either trolling or utterly stupid.

It's sitting on it's haunches and has a pointy face with a small black nose!

It's sitting on it's haunches and has a pointy face with a small black nose!

See an eye doctor! :rolleyes:

See an eye doctor! :rolleyes:He saw an eye doctor once, but when he entered his office he noticed the doctor was sitting on his haunches and had a pointy face with a small black nose! This so unnerved him he left before he could be examined.

He saw an eye doctor once, but when he entered his office he noticed the doctor was sitting on his haunches and had a pointy face with a small black nose! This so unnerved him he left before he could be examined.

lol :p

You don't have an answer for the black nose, do you? That's now TWO PHOTOS which closely resemble a giant hyrax!

"I say, I say, I say, I say. My wife has a black nose."
"How does she smell?"
"Terrible."

You don't have an answer for the black nose, do you? That's now TWO PHOTOS which closely resemble a giant hyrax!I was right then.

I was right then.

No, you weren't. You only see what you want to see. It looks nothing like a hyrax.

You don't have an answer for the black nose, do you?
The photo looks exactly like the second picture Enmos posted here (http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2527775&postcount=157). The cat has a darker region along its nasal ridge and the fact your photo is taken from far away and has to be enlarged accounts for any additional darkness as the image compression tends to exaggerate dark regions.

You'd have to be blind not to see the enormous similarity between your picture and those in Enmos's post (http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2527775&postcount=157). And rather than accept the obvious rational explanation which is the simplest and most supported by evidence (its a puma someone released) you go the opposite direction and claim there's two large animal species out there which are symbyotic and which have not been seen, either of them.

When you struggle to justify the existence of one thing its moronic to them make even more unsupported and convoluted claims.

CSS, are you religious? Its just you are so completely gullible, willing to accept anything without evidence and sometimes even in spite of the evidence you're an ideal person to be suckered into a religion, particularly the crazier ones (they are all crazy but some of them particularly so). Have you been got at by the Jehovah's Witnesses who do their rounds on Sunday mornings in many places in the UK? Or does Joseph Smith and the planet Kolob really sound like the truth to you?

Black nose? This is a better photo-fit than a puma Dartmoor Beast? (http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.paws-photo.com/images/Small-Animals/SA-SQ-0001.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.paws-photo.com/small-animals.htm&h=450&w=300&sz=23&tbnid=hp9XiyhAPmbGMM:&tbnh=127&tbnw=85&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsquirrel%2Bsitting%2Bpic&hl=en&usg=__cLNpGguUZ3DuvQX1SEysvabJzUA=&ei=H4rRS52QEpLw0gTRl5zjDQ&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&ved=0CB4Q9QEwAA). This is scary Hyrax with fangs 'talking' at the zoo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv5hFjxU7Hs&feature=related) and here's more Hyrax Songs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTY22k1s6Ns&feature=related) and whilst we're at it, here's yet more Rock hyrax rock jumping (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOdRMR3uzck&feature=related)

Black nose? This is a better photo-fit than a puma Dartmoor Beast? (http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.paws-photo.com/images/Small-Animals/SA-SQ-0001.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.paws-photo.com/small-animals.htm&h=450&w=300&sz=23&tbnid=hp9XiyhAPmbGMM:&tbnh=127&tbnw=85&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsquirrel%2Bsitting%2Bpic&hl=en&usg=__cLNpGguUZ3DuvQX1SEysvabJzUA=&ei=H4rRS52QEpLw0gTRl5zjDQ&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&ved=0CB4Q9QEwAA). This is scary Hyrax with fangs 'talking' at the zoo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv5hFjxU7Hs&feature=related) and here's more Hyrax Songs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTY22k1s6Ns&feature=related) and whilst we're at it, here's yet more Rock hyrax rock jumping (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOdRMR3uzck&feature=related)

:roflmao::crazy:

News Bulletin: Fortean Times article by Dr Karl Shuker confirms hyrax-like beast sighting at close range on the evening of 13 March 2010. "Shaun Histed-Todd was driving his bus along a Dartmoor road when he saw a most unusual creature run down the edge of the moor and stand at the roadside, where the bus's headlights afforded him an excellent view of it for roughly half a minute before it ran back up onto the moors. .It resembled a young fox and had a bushy white-tipped tail, but it's coat was dark silver-grey; it had noticeably large ears, white paws, and a black raccoon-like facial mask. Shaun has since learned of other sightings of this animal, with one made only two miles (3.2km) away from the site of his own observation." :)

And how is that a description of something "hyrax-like"?
"Young fox"? I.e. slim, not rotund like a hyrax.
"Bushy white-tipped tail"? But a hyrax has a notably short tail.
"Dark silver-grey"? Er, hyraces tend to be dun.
"Large ears"? Not really.
"White paws and black raccoon-like facial mask"? Right.
I completely see the description is hyrax-like. :rolleyes:

I've just poked him on facebook.

Here's his very nice reply to my message;


Subject: Hi
Hi Alan thanks for the post and comments. I had my own suspicions if this sighting could have been the same creature, but hadn't got round to digging the story out again to make comparisons. So thanks for the link.

Looking at the images again, i'm not convinced it shows a Fox. The colouring is very close to what i saw, but what I saw was smaller to your Average fox with what appeared to be stunted legs. ALso markings where a black mask over it's face with a white banded nose, white tipped toes and tail. It reminded me of an Artic Fox with Raccoon markings.

This creature was apparently quite large.

I know off Martin Whitley he goes hunting with our butcher. Now our butcher is very skeptical of exotic animals roaming the moors but has to admit that Martin insists it was not a dog!! and that was good enough for him to believe him, he respect Martin as a very precise observer. Also the suggestion that the pictures show a Newfoundland he apparently scoffs at, stating that martin has two off his own and would have clearly identified it had it been.

I look at the photos and I would say dog going by pic 2 and 6 ..But my butcher has convinced me otherwise, and the other images i can't make up my mind.

Again thanks for the post

All the best
ShaunI think maybe he saw a 'young one' which is why it was about the size of a fox, whilst the adults are large-dog sized. I'll ask him.

Here's his very nice reply to my message;

I think maybe he saw a 'young one' which is why it was about the size of a fox, whilst the adults are large-dog sized. I'll ask him.

:bugeye:

I suggest you reply to this post:

And how is that a description of something "hyrax-like"?
"Young fox"? I.e. slim, not rotund like a hyrax.
"Bushy white-tipped tail"? But a hyrax has a notably short tail.
"Dark silver-grey"? Er, hyraces tend to be dun.
"Large ears"? Not really.
"White paws and black raccoon-like facial mask"? Right.
I completely see the description is hyrax-like. :rolleyes:

It's the stunted legs comment which is a big clue. I'm betting that it's just the front legs which looked shorter, a characteristic of the Louisiana Swamp Monster trail cam photo Trail Cam Photo Of Louisiana Swamp Monster (Hyrax IMO) (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=99641)

Originally Posted by Dywyddyr
And how is that a description of something "hyrax-like"?
"Young fox"? I.e. slim, not rotund like a hyrax.
"Bushy white-tipped tail"? But a hyrax has a notably short tail.
"Dark silver-grey"? Er, hyraces tend to be dun.
"Large ears"? Not really.
"White paws and black raccoon-like facial mask"? Right.
I completely see the description is hyrax-like.

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/mammal/mesaxonia/hyrax.jpg

Looks like a young fox....nope

Has a bushy white tipped tail...nope

Dark silver grey coloring...nope.

Large ears....nope

White paws and black raccoon-like facial mask....nope.

CSS, why do you ignore these facts that repute hyrax, and dwell on the stunted leg comment?

You have to imagine changes to the body shape due to the process of evolution. Is this something you believe in and think you can understand?

You have to imagine changes to the body shape due to the process of evolution. Is this something you believe in and think you can understand?

LOL! :facepalm:

LOL! :truce:

You have to imagine changes to the body shape due to the process of evolution. Is this something you believe in and think you can understand?

Well..you seem to be good at imagining things alright.

You have to imagine changes to the body shape due to the process of evolution.
Understood.
So giant hyraces have evolved into something that looks like a fox, but are actually still hyraces.

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and swims like a duck it's an evolved elephant.
Makes perfect sense...

You know.. I think I saw a Giant Hyrax once!
Of course, you will have to imagine changes to the body shape due to the process of evolution..

http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/staticfiles/NGS/Shared/StaticFiles/animals/images/primary/african-elephant2.jpg

:roflmao:

it's an evolved elephant.

What are the odds? :eek:

Understood.
So giant hyraces have evolved into something that looks like a fox, but are actually still hyraces....There is a genuine elephant connection, yes. Yeah, you got it. The long tail of the Dartmoor Beast is the tricky bit I suppose, but it would make evolutionary sense for the adaptation to occur. Humans would be less likely to take fright if they only saw a wolf or a large dog, than compared to something similar but tailless. Therefore the elusive dog-looking hyrax would be less threatening to behold and result in the legend of ambivalence and folklore.

What are the odds? :eek:

Convergent comedy!

Convergent comedy!

:D
Apparently! lol

There is a genuine elephant connection, yes.
Because ducks pack their trunks to go on holiday?


The long tail of the Dartmoor Beast is the tricky bit I suppose
And the rest of the discrepancies?


but it would make evolutionary sense for the adaptation to occur. Humans would be less likely to take fright if they only saw a wolf or a large dogBrilliant!
No one ever realised that a factor in evolution is do your best to look less scary to humans.

No one ever realised that a factor in evolution is do your best to look less scary to humans.Makes sense to me.

Makes sense to me.

Wow....just wow..


Humans would be less likely to take fright if they only saw a wolf or a large dog, than compared to something similar but tailless.

What makes a tailless creature so scary?

Because your brain can't say "oh, that must have been a Newfoundland dog" because it wouldn't fit with your mental image of a large dog, would it, if it didn't have a long bushy tail?!

Adult Dartmoor Beast Filmed In Loping Run? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y87IJ4-Rw-c&feature=related)

Adult Dartmoor Beast Filmed In Loping Run? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y87IJ4-Rw-c&feature=related)

Wow a moving dark blob!

The rock hyrax is squat and heavily built, adults reaching a length of 50cm and weighing around 4kg, with a slight sexual dimorphism; males being approximately 10% heavier than females. Their fur is thick and grey-brown color, although this varies strongly between different environments; from dark brown in wetter habitats, to light gray in desert living individuals.[5] Hyrax size (as measured by skull length and humerus diameter) is correlated to precipitation, probably because of the effect on preferred hyrax forageSee rock hyrax sunbathing PHOTO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Hyrax) on Wikipedia.

Looks like there's an American hyrax too werewolves at Skinwalker ranch (http://site.heroparanormal.com/News.html)

Here's a photo of a maned male werewolf on it's hindlegs imo. Attached is a photo I took in rural Clackamas County, Oregon in 1997.
It is of something that was walking along the top of the hill. When it noticed me, it turned and headed in the opposite direction (http://www.bigfootencounters.com/sbs/rickwood.htm). The sasquatch researcher who took the 1997 photo dismissed this explanation and went for the mystery woman in a knee-length coat out taking a walk!

Compare the photo with this amazing video Dog Walks Upstairs on Hind Legs - Video (http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.maniacworld.com/dog-walks-upstairs-on-hind-legs.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.maniacworld.com/dog-walks-upstairs-on-hind-legs.html&h=225&w=337&sz=20&tbnid=BYYCGVOckDzFPM:&tbnh=79&tbnw=119&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddog%2Bwalking%2Bon%2Bhind%2Blegs%2Bpi c&zoom=1&q=dog+walking+on+hind+legs+pic&hl=en&usg=__8Y9P58fznMPCylUzHKKKVFExqfM=&sa=X&ei=oA3ITNmKKOWH4gb2vNnlBg&ved=0CCIQ9QEwAw)

It isn't just me. Look here at this intriguing story just posted and notice the similarities in the sounds of chattering experineced in both:


My dad once told me about an experience he had while logging in Bly Oregon. If anyone here has not heard of Bly it is a weird place to start with it is known where I am from as the Oregon Bly-angle. It is the sight of the only casualty in the lower 48 during WW2 as a result of a balloon Bomb courtesy of the Japanese. A terrorist training camp was busted there after the start of the Afghan war. It is also the site of many Sasquatch sightings.

According to my dad him and his crew were working in the woods between Bly and Beatty during the winter. He and the other two on the crew were falling timber for several weeks up there. All three of them hated the job terribly because in their own words the are was very spooky and they always felt as though they were being watched. After a couple of weeks on job they said that on one or two occasions when they would stop for lunch they would sit on fresh cut stumps (rather then the snow) and eat lunch as it was too far to walk to the trucks. Anyway they said that they thought they were hearing voices in the woods but were not sure. THey were very faint and was not any recognizable language. THey dismissed it as being the result of hearing the chainsaws all day, being very cold and being tired. However over the next week the voices got louder and more frequent. To the point where they could hear them over the chainsaws. All of them could now hear it. They figured there could be know one else up there as they were far in the mountains. It was snowing every night and there were never any tracks on the road up to the job (which they had to build because there was not one to start with. Also the job was far to far up in the woods to walk cross country from the nearest road not to mention that the snow was generally over knee deep. In the end all three of them got so nerve racked that they ended up quitting the job and have not worked in the area since. THey all agree that the voices were not menacing, it just sounded like conversation but it was still to spooked for them to handle, all of them being very grounded and open minded.Years latter I am 17 and I am working for the Forest Circus and my boss is an older Native American lady who is still very traditional in the ways of her people and happens to be from the area. I remembered the story and one day I ask her about it. She knew instantly what I was talking about and proceeded to tell me a legend of her people (The Klamath Tribe) about a race of very small people that inhabit the woods in the area. They are like guardians of the woods and are not menacing. Know one ever sees them but they can be heard speaking in tongues. They were around long before people were there. She told me what they were called but after so many years I can not remember.

Does anyone here know anything about them and what they are called.

Here's Tommy's account from Australia:


This is my first topic and i did not know where to post it, so i thought I'd just post it in the Urban Legends section.

Just maybe half an hour ago, me and my friend (username 'biorez') were walking along the outskirts of Parramatta Park in Sydney (the park is a minute's walk from my house). It was sprinkling, though now it is pouring rain and storming pretty bad. Anyways, we were walking alongside a deserted creek, when we started hearing noises. Some sounded like a train, although there was no train track near that area, and some sounded like children's voices, even though I am positive that it was just me and my friend in that creek.We pulled out of the area, and frantically started trying to assess the situation. We were trying to think rationally, but we couldn't help but believe that it was something way out of the ordinary. We came back to the creek, and started hearing more noises. They were much the same, and we weren't really panicking that much, when I look straight ahead and could have SWORN that I saw a dark figure, standing on it's hind legs, walk past the treeline about 5 metres ahead of us. I almost hyperventilated, an we started sprinting back to a nearby gazebo. We discussed whether we should go back to my friend's place (about 300 metres from the park, and facing it as well), or if we should run back to the creek, and investigate once more.

And so we did, and we started seeing more shadows and hearing more unnatural, un-suburbian noises. At this point, it started raining heavily, and we saw a gargantuan storm cloud approaching. we decided to bolt back to my friend's place. We started running in the opposite direction of the creek. I turned my head for a split second, and that was all I needed...

...and then I saw him. A Green man. He looked to be wearing something green, covering his hair (if he had any), but it almost looked like it was attached to his skull. He did not have a shirt on, and he had dark green skin. A darker texture than whatever was on his head. He looked like he had some sort of dead furred animal over his shoulder, and in the opposite hand, he was carrying what looked like some sort of long, melee weapon. Possibly a staff or a stick. He was looking out from under the creek, therefore I did not see his lower half. He had big bulgy black eyes STICKING, LITERALLY STICKING out of his head. Like a GRASSHOPPER! he had a mouth where his chin was supposed to be. And he had a normal looking nose, although I did not see any nostrils, but that's most likely due to the fact that I was at a distance. He then raised what must've been his eyebrows, and gave me a sort of 'where are you going' look. He then appeared to have shrugged, then turned and walked away. He did not have ears. Where his ears were supposed to be, it was just blank.

I stood there in shock, hyperventilating. I lost all bodily functions for about half a minute, while biorez was yelling 'we have to go! come on we have to go!' I then started running like there was no tomorrow. Now I sit here at my friend's computer, still sort of in shock, but sane enough to post this report.

Can someone PLEASE tell me WHAT THE HELL DID I SEE?

This has just been posted:

At the risk of sounding completely insane or retarded I'm seeing things and experiencing feelings I haven't experienced since i was a kid. Seeing strange silhouttes that dissappear so strangely out of the corner of my eye, and full on looking at them, and having a feeling that something is watching and I'm in a constant state of defense mode. Shrugged it off im incredibly busy right now with a set schedule of 40 hours at work, own personal buisness things I'm working on (have about 4 majorly different projects I'm working on...very ambitious and non-complacent), and I'm training in martial arts again cause I miss competeing and felt that I did not take it seriously enough as a kid and could've accomplished so much (I'm 20). So basically its get up 5 in the morning eat, stretch, train, then cardio (either a few miles of running or total of 5 miles biking with about 180-190 flights of stairs in 30 mins). Work on my varying buisnesses, then weightlift, then work get off at 10 and go to sleep as soon as I get home. So I just shrugged off what I was experiencing as stress. I wouldnt say exhaustion cause not really ever drained. Felt the same as a kid, but I was hugely depressed as a kid (wasnt a loser or didnt have any friends just family **** piled up so much and really has never let up but as a kid its harder to handle and I was always different as a kid) so I just figured different causes same symptoms. Then I got home the other night from a rare occasion of hanging out with a family that kind of took me in and was what I consider my "substitute" family. Got out of my car getting everything in my pockets turn around to lock my car, and...I see this figure. Looked like a man wearing an oversized fedora (think thats what they're called) in a trenchcoat...a silhoutte once again, and this silhoutte is making a b-line power walk towards me. It seemed like it was about 20 feet away when I first saw it then when it was about 10 feet away...it dissappeared in such a wierd way. I wasn't scared but felt nervous and like I was going to have to defend myself. Can someone tell me anything...do I need to go to a doctor, a therapist, do I need to slow down. I just want something...noway can I tell any of my friends and family friends would just laugh at me, and family would just think im nuts.

Now compare it to this which has just been posted also:

Hey, everyone, first time poster here. I joined a couple of years ago and am a constant reader, I'm just a bit quiet. For months now I've been trying to decide if I should post this or not but since summer will be here soon and I expect to be spending more and more time outside I'm going for it.

Let me first explain a little about my location. My house is literally surrounded by woods on all sides with a gravel road that cuts through in the front and leads to my driveway. Behind my house the woods go on for miles and miles and at some point goes into national forest land. Several yards down the road my cousin raises cattle and they graze in a small field. I'm way out in the country.

Back in November (2009) my fiance and I were laying out in the middle of our yard around 1 A.M. waiting for the Leonid meteor shower to start. It was a cold, clear, and very quiet night. We had been out for probably forty-five minutes or so and I was getting annoyed because I had only seen maybe one meteor and I was cold despite all the blankets I had. Suddenly--I know it's a cliche, but it really did happen all of a sudden--the quiet night was anything but.

Something starts crashing through the woods behind us. Anyone who's been in the woods at night knows what that sounds like especially in the fall when there are dry leaves on the ground. Whatever it was comes to the edge of the woods to the edge of the yard and and stops and starts making this God-awful "snorting" sound. Living where I do, I'm used to animal noises and I pretty much know what makes what but this sound chilled my blood. I've never heard anything like it. Then a minute later it stops the snorting sound and it starts walking back through the woods. I turn to my fiance and say "What the %*$# was that??" It's not so much what my fiance said but how he said it. His voice almost had a tremor in it. He sounded scared and just said "I don't know know." Aside from the fact that he's a pretty tough guy and I've never known him to be scared of anything in his life, he's the kind of guy who knows a lot, or at least thinks he does. So for him to be so baffled was unsettling.

We can hear the crashing again but this time it's coming from our left. It continues until it's in front of us, then a few seconds later it's to the right. I can't help but say "It's circling us." And it was fast too. I'm terrified at this point and insist we go inside. Fiance says no, I carried all these blankets and pillows out to watch this meteor shower and we're going to watch it. He also tells me to shush so he can listen. It's still crashing around and is behind us again. And I am struck with a thought that makes little tears well up in my eyes. Then my fiance opens his mouth and confirms my thought: "It sounds like it's walking on two legs."
I insist on going inside again but the crashing sound fades away and my fiance says it must be gone. It goes quiet again. The rest of the time we were outside was uneventful. The sky eventually became overcast and we couldn't see anything anymore so we gathered up all our stuff and went inside.

The next day we immediately went over all the things it could have been. A deer? No, that was in no way at all the sound a deer makes when it "snorts." An escaped bull from the field down the road? I guess it's not out of the realm of possibilites, it's just that those cows are extremely used to people and one time when one did get past the fence it had no problem walking right up to me (I helped, or tried anyway, getting it back). And I'm certain no cows got out that night because we almost always get a phone call asking if any has come up to the house (none ever has). It just didn't sound like a bull snort either. A wild boar? We don't have those in Virginia. I asked my brother who works for the US Forest Service and knows more about wildlife than anyone I know and he not only confirmed that we don't have wild boars but was also puzzled as to what it could have been. A bear? We had an extremely cold winter which started earlier than usual and again my bro said it was highly unlikely to be a bear.

So . . . I don't know. What I do know is that I don't scare easily. I love taking walks in the woods at night and I am very familiar with the usual animal (foxes, raccoons, owls, squirrels, even bobcats) sounds and not only was this sound new, it made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. There was just something about the very presence that scared the heck out of me.

Sorry this was so long and any thoughts are welcome!

This is me


like totally not caring

This is me


like totally not caring

As well you should...CSS is autistic and only see's what he's deletions show him. It only means something to him.

As well you should...CSS is autistic and only see's what he's deletions show him. It only means something to him.

has anyone asked the hyraxes if CSS means something to them?

has anyone asked the hyraxes if CSS means something to them?
The Hyraxes don't care that a mental ill human see them as more than they are.

The Hyraxes don't care that a mental ill human see them as more than they are.

nature can be cruel sometimes I guess

Yeah....that's a freakin' dog. Lol No getting around it.

As well you should...CSS is autistic and only see's what he's deletions show him. It only means something to him.Funny thing is I look like you! I got so many photos of me stoned with those half shut eyes and cheek to cheek grin. You better get down the white-coat shop a.s.a.p imo! lol

It's a motherfucking dog ffs.

It's seriously not a laughing matter, they are evolving at an incredible rate........


http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/57500/Hyrax-Smile--57618.jpg


For many years they have thought themselves to be above humans.............


http://scoutsrecords.org/scoutsuploads/Hyrax.jpg

Here's the latest sighting and experience which has just been posted to me


oh i feel a little odd mentioning this. please dont mock this.
a few years ago i used to walk my two dogs in a field near my house, ( i live in a very rural area) and used to let them off the lead. it was later october and my dogs, who were pretty big and rather protective, came runing at me, tail between their legs and cowarldy. this wasnt like them but i put their leads back on and started to walk home. i had a torch with me btw. one of my dogs suddenly got really close to me and wouldnt walk, the other started growling. i seen some movement in some bushes and the torch caught the creatures massive eyes and then it gone in the bushes. i was shaken up but i never seen it again for a few months. the next time i did see it, i seen it quite clearly, again in the feild, large, over6 feet anyway, massive golden brown eyes, hind legs just like a dogs, massivly broad shoulders, arms sinewy but long, snout like a dogs, and pointed tufty ears. it seemed scared of me though, and kind of stalked around, it got really close once though as i didnt know it was there, but i seen it about 4 foot away and jumped out of my skin. i must have spooked it as it ran away.on two legs. after that i stopped giving the dogs their last walk at night. the wierd thing is my family members have seen it too, but it never harmed any of us and never showed any sign of wanting to. i havent seen it for a while and kind of glad. im not saying the creature i seen was a werewolf at all. i just know that i seen some creature, that my family seen the same thing. i dont have any idea what it is, but it may be some sort of wierd evolution of a dog or a wolf. so if there are such things as werewolves i just bumped into the nicest possible one, or the vegatarian

Here's evidence the giant hyrax has entered the Australian continent, most likely in the recent past imo. Just posted in another forum:


Well my eldest is home from UNI and although she is a perfect AUS size 8 wants to lose more weight even though she's 5ft9. Her and her father have taken to walking in my old stomping ground where I have had many encounters with Yowies and taken pictures of ABC prints. For anyone who doesn't live in Sydney the Government here has admitted that there are ABC. As I no longer own dogs I don't ever walk down there anymore and haven't for a few years.

I haven't been openly active on here for close to 4yrs so most of my threads would need to be dug up from back then. I had a thread going with cat tracks I found measuring 14x14cm, I'll repost these up. Today we went up after my daughters walk for her to show me what they found. There was a lot of wallaby tracks when the wallaby tracks start to skid along as though a lot of speed was being put into them (I didn't take pictures of these as there was no point for an untrained eye wouldn't know what they were looking at)

A little further on the cat must have existed the bush and unfortunately the ground isn't good so the picture isn't the best and I don't know how to draw highlights around things to point out what I mean, but you can make out a cat print with the wallaby prints being up to 35cm in front but scraped all the way back to the cats print. There was no sign of blood but when I had my staffy I saw her get a possum one night and it was one bite around the neck, no blood just a broken neck. The cat probably then took the wallaby in deeper bush somewhere as I was quite shocked at how close to the start of the walking track and houses this attacked occurred. We also found a smaller 3 toed print not in relation to the attack but obviously it means they're breeding around here.

And for all you yowie lovers we did try some wood knocking without any success but my daughter swore she heard something and we listened for a while without hearing anything beyond the normal sounds echoing from far away but she decided to throw a rock in the bush anyway. Well we turned and had taken half a dozen steps when a huge stick came flying from behind us overhead and landed about 2metres in front. It was funny actually, you get to tell the threatening ones from the playful ones. And no I didn't have a video camera to catch the stick in action so I can't prove anything though all the trees around us were not gum and this was from a gum tree. I've lived around here for at least 12 years so I do know a bit about what's normal or not in the bush around me.

These pictures are the original ones from at least 4yrs ago.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a318/aussietia/DSCN0429.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a318/aussietia/DSCN0431.jpg

This is a picture that shows a 4th toe off on an angle to the back

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a318/aussietia/DSCN0483.jpg

Nice photos of some good prints. The three toed tracks with the smaller angled toe at the back reminded me of Harlan Ford's Louisiana Swamp Monster Tracks, almost perfect match imo Honey Island Swamp Monster (http://jmichaelms.tripod.com/HIS/)

http://www.skeptiseum.org/images/exh/honey-isl-swamp-monster-track.jpg

Notice the similarity with HYRAX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Hyrax) type feet

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/Hyraxfootcloseup.jpg

Here's one just posted from Michigan:


I went up north to visit my uncle, my whole family lives in Michigan.Well we went up north in Michigan, it was a family reunion.My cousins dared me to go out into the forest all by myself, it was midnight.I agreed, because I'm not afraid of anything.Well I took my camera with me and went out into the forest, well I heard something in a tree, thinking it was just a bird or something I kept walking.Well I heard a low, deep growl coming from a tree, I whipped my head to the tree and I saw a huge shadow that looked like a wolf.But it was much larger then a wolf.My eyes widend and I wanted to run, but my curiousity stood me still.I somehow was able to find myself and took off running, i dont know why but i tried to run backwards to get a picture of it with my camera.(i never said I was smart.XD) well i dropped my camera right after I got a snapshot then I was so shocked I just kept running.I ran so fast that night I was back to my uncles house and hyperventalating...

Dogman only comes out at night so the next day i went out with my cousin to find my camera, I tell her everything so i told her about dogman.Well we found my camera, but it was crashed into a million peices, and around it was huge pawprints.I'll never forget that day.I want to proove dogman is real..This is my song for as long as Dogman is in my heart...

I'm just about to ask her to compare a photo of the three toed print with what she remembers..

Here's evidence the giant hyrax has entered the Australian continent, most likely in the recent past imo. Just posted in another forum:

I don't see how that could not be a dog footprint.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a318/aussietia/DSCN0483.jpghttp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3254/3136908506_74c492a15e.jpg

I don't see how that could not be a dog footprint.
It's a fair point you make but you have to read the text which accompanies the photo. She says that she's a tracker of alien big cats (ABC's) and that a dead wallaby with the signs of an attack was found. The smaller three toed print was nearby. Big cat and dog prints can look very similar. You have to give people some credit for experience and a knowledge of what they're doing. I know this woman from another forum and I have a lot of confidence in her abilities as a bush walker.

It's a fair point you make but you have to read the text which accompanies the photo. She says that she's a tracker of alien big cats (ABC's) and that a dead wallaby with the signs of an attack was found. The smaller three toed print was nearby. Big cat and dog prints can look very similar. You have to give people some credit for experience and a knowledge of what they're doing. I know this woman from another forum and I have a lot of confidence in her abilities as a bush walker.Thinking about it some more, the three toed track is more likely to be that of the wallaby whilst being brought down by the ABC, hence the reason the claws are out on the big cat print. I've had this problem before come to think of it. The two rear feet of the wallaby are planted so close together that they look like a single foot print with three parge toes. Just goes to show that not all three toed prints are that of a bunyip..

There's a strange link between these footprints and Wallaby populations in out of norm places (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_kangaroo).


Tennessee, 1934: During mid-January 1934, an atypical kangaroo was reported to have killed and partially devoured several animals, including German shepherd dogs. One witness, Reverend W. J. Hancock, described the animal as looking like a large kangaroo, running and leaping across a field. Another witness, Frank Cobb, soon found more evidence of the kangaroo’s activities: a dismembered alsatian. A search party followed the kangaroo's prints to a cave, where the trail ran out. The kangaroo was never found.

There have been recent attempts to label the story as a hoax by the late Horace N. Minnis, of the Chattanooga Times. However, Minnis was not a newspaper correspondent for the area at that time.


Anyway, here's the wallaby footprint in sand which can be imagined to be close enough to form a single looking three toed track:

Here's another example. Funnily enough, someone I know in North Carolina who also found strange three toed tracks which after harvesting which disappeared at the end of the field. They also used to grew tobacco.


I lived in Kentucky when I was young, you spent your time outdoors, fishing and hunting and just staying in the woods was a way of life, on the back of our farm, on top of a hill in a flat area, my father raised tobacco and had a garden on the left side of the hilltop, the field had been plowed and smoothed and was ready for the next seasons planting, everyday I would walk back into the fields and woods and spend my days there,
One morning I walked back to the field on top the hill and was walking threw it, as I got to the middle of the field, I noticed to my right there was some kind of disturbance in the ground, I walked over to it to examine it closely, as I looked down I realized what I was seeing, it was a footprint, a single footprint, and a very odd footprint, I would guess it was maybe 12-14 inches long, with only 3 toes, it is hard to remember exactly the way the foot curved, but I do remember how I saw it and made a mental note of it, it seems that it curved to the right making it a left footprint..

I looked over the entire area around me for another print, there was none, the dirt in the field was perfect to take a track as it was freshly plowed and a disc had been run threw it, then smoothed, it was semi moist and would have taken track from anything that had some weight to it as it had done my tracks leading up to the print..

Moving forward to approx the year 2000 or 2001, I was reading online and searching for topics of interest, I came across a website of a UFO and paranormal investigator, as I was reading his site I came across a section discussing a strange single footprint that was found in Pennsylvania, it was almost identical to the print I saw, I emailed him and he told me he had been told of several instances of this kind of track being seen..

By clicking the link below you can see an image of the exact track I saw, the image is a picture of the cast from the track..

The image is from stangordon.com

This cast of a three toed footprint was made from the actual track, in August of 1973, in a rural area near Greensburg, PA. The track is 13 inches long and 8 inches wide. I found the impression while investigating a Bigfoot sighting which had been recently reported in the area. In the weeks to follow, numerous such creature sightings would originate from several counties in the state.

Within the last year I was listening to a roundtable discussion on the coasttocoastam radio show concerning bigfoot, one of the people in the discussion was a man named Smokey Crabtree, during the discussion he mentioned a single 3 toed track, I emailed Mr Crabtree and he and I exchanged several emails and he said he had heard others tell of seeing this type single track..

Mystery of the three-toed prints, Australia (http://www.cfzaustralia.com/2007/06/3-toes-prints.html)

Here's the latest account which matches all the others to perfection The Lurking Dogman (May10 2011) (http://from-the-shadows.blogspot.com/2011/05/lurking-dogman.html)

So giant Hyraxes can talk now? Cool campfire story bro.

Don't be silly!
Everybody knows the talking ones are actually giant flying rays in disguise.

The idea of something else talking does go against mankind's claim to superiority but research has shown that dolphins 'talk' to one another by using individual names just like humans do. It's a stretch of the imagination even for myself that a dogman could actually talk english learnt from humans, but they would have the vocal capacity to do so in theory. Take a look at the evidence here Talking Rock Hyrax (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv5hFjxU7Hs)

Don't be silly!
Everybody knows the talking ones are actually giant flying rays in disguise.Here's the flying thing seen in Pennsylvania New Sighting of the Conewago Phantom (May10 2011) (http://naturalplane.blogspot.com/2011/05/new-sighting-of-conewago-phantom.html)

"This three-toed footprint was found between Chama and Dulce in New Mexico on October 26, 2010 (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/photo/view/three_toed_print/50458). We also saw a bright glowing light moving strangely in the sky to the West, most evenings, but we regrettably did not get any pictures."

P.S Take a close look to the right hand side of the print. It looks as though there is another smaller three-toed print inside the larger one. I suggest a young one is walking in the footfalls of it's parents to conceal it's identity.

Here's three-toed prints on You-Tube:

(i) three toed print (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-FlfeW9ePE)

(ii) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmoCeSxsnaQ&NR=1]More Footprints With 3 (Three) Toes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmoCeSxsnaQ&NR=1)
Once again, two days after we noticed the first 3-toed track, we looked out the window and saw an entire set of 3-toed tracks. The first print was at the base of a tree, with no other tracks around. These start at the deck and lead to the base of a nearby tree, where they end. Any insight is appreci

(iii) Footprint With 3 (Three) Toes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqhLAeAnGxY)
Video of a footprint with 3 toes. Besides a sloth, various birds like a Heron (and the Chupacabra : ) I do not know of any animals with three toes. If anyone has any idea what this is from, please drop me a line or post a video response. If you see my other posts, you'll realize this is no hoax.

(iV) unidentified animal tracks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb9iyXuUmm4&feature=watch_response_rev)
Filmed these tracks while in mammoth moutains in 2004. I deleted part of the camcorder footage by mistake which clearly showed how far apart the tracks were. I couldnt jump from one to the other!

(v) Alien Footprints In the Snow? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f-lPWJqc6k&feature=related)
This video was taken January 27, 2009 - Dixon, Missouri - 8:30 pm. The shape of these footprints are 3 toed with a high arch and a crooked heel. They measure 4-1/2 to 5 feet apart in stride.

Here's one which identical to the Australian track shown earlier:


This was seen in North East Texas this past weekend. It was huge, about the size of my hand. I'm 6'0, 180 lbs. It was pretty deep too. Any thoughts as to what this is. I'm baffled as it appears to only have 3 toes and I don't know what could fall into that category, unless one or more didn't imprint. I would suggest that maybe it was more than one animal but don't think so as the back pad appears to be intact and completley from only one animal. Thanks for your help. Photo of three-toed print (http://www.nature.net/forums/load/name/msg0218460430820.html?7)

Vietnam as well, May7 2011 (http://english.vietnamnet.vn/en/society/8146/mystery-beast-causing-panic-in-quang-ngai-province.html):


Mystery beast causing panic in Quang Ngai province

VietNamNet Bridge - Hundreds of households in Binh Dong Commune of Binh Son District in Quang Ngai are living in panic after mysterious footprints were seen on the sand and loud roaring sounds heard in the area.

According to Cao Tan Son, police chief of the Binh Dong Commune, these mysterious incidents have been occurring since May 7 at the foot of Dinh Mountain in Son Tra Commune.

However, no one has seen the strange creature that could have caused such large footprints measuring almost 12-15cm. Over 20 dogs have also been killed in the area and now around 280 households of the commune are living in panic.

Nguyen Thi Bich Ngoc, a 70-year-old woman was the first to find her dead pet dog on the night of May 7. She said that her dog was found without its head and some body organs.

On the same night, four dogs were also found dead in the same manner, approximately 15-20 kilometres from Ngoc’s neighborhood.

Many households living near the Dinh Mountain said they had heard very loud roaring sounds.

In related news, in the border districts of Si Ma Cai and Muong Khuong in the northwestern province of Lao Cai, people have repeatedly seen strange species of dog like animals.

The strange creatures have bitten about 15 people in Ban Me, Thao Chu Phin, Quang Than San and Si Ma Cai communes in the two districts.

According to local residents, the strange doglike creatures have slender, long bodies, slanting red eyes and their fur coat is marked with white spots, black and white spots or yellow stripes.

They are seen wandering in the villages trying to prey on housedogs or attacking other domestic bred animals like chickens, pigs, goats and horses. They attack any person who tries to drive them away.

According to local residents, the strange doglike creatures........

also known as "dogs"

also known as "dogs"Are you saying that local rural people are idiots when it comes to identifying wildlife or is it something against the Vietnamise in particular??

Are you saying that local rural people are idiots when it comes to identifying wildlife or is it something against the Vietnamise in particular??


nope - but neither am I starting with an a-priori assumption that they must familiar with every canine phenotype and all local wildlife and using that to jump to the conculsion that it must be a cryptid.

until something other than anecdotal evidence is put forward, occams razor suggests that if it looks like a dog its probably a dog

Dogs of Darkness (http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northeast/guides/weird/mythsandlegends/pages/dogs_darkness.shtml)


A lane in the parish of Marchwiel south of Wrexham, NE Wales, called Lon Bwbach Ddu (Lane of the Black Spectre) probably recalls such a haunting. An encounter near Ruthin with one of these hell hounds was recorded by T Gwynn Jones in his 'Welsh Folklore and Folk Custom' (1930). He says:

"My grandmother declared that as she and my grandfather were riding on horseback from Ruthin one evening, in passing a roadside house, the nag suddenly shied and pressed to the hedge. At the moment a very tall mastiff was passing on the other side. My grandfather who rode behind saw nothing and his horse had not been startled. They had just come to live in the district and only got to know afterwards that the house had the reputation of being haunted."

A more alarming adventure was had by a Mr Edward Jones when he was returning home late one night from a fair at Cynwyd, near Corwen. "The Black hound of destiny", as he called it, chased him across the moor, literally dogging his footsteps, keeping just behind as he hurried along. He said it was "a beast of fearsome visage and blood-shot eye".

At any moment he expected to feel its jaws clamp upon him and he suffered terrible anxiety "as in the horrible, cold sweat of a nightmare". The dreaded climax never came, however, and when, nervous and exhausted, he eventually reached his farm gate, he found the beast had vanished.

http://www.ghosttheory.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/gargoyle.jpg

North Carolina again (9/7/2009)


strange animal with red eyes in back yard
Question
Just curious. Last night I let my dogs out before we went to bed. My dogs had jumped on the fence barking at something in the yard. I turned on the light to the back yard went outside and saw a medium. size animal with the light shinning on the eyes it had big red round eyes. I first thought that it was a stray dog I called for the dog thinking it was, it was too exotic and different by the way it was standing and moving. Any ideas of what it may be. If it helps we live in NC. Thank You

THE LEGEND OF THE LEYLAND CAT CREATURE AND THE BEAST OF BUCKSHAW VILLAGE (http://abcoffreedom.weebly.com/article-5-the-legend-of-the-leyland-cat-creature.html). The thing is, It couldn't have been a big cat. It would have to walk on it's hind legs whilst carrying the stone block. The "large eyes" are also a give away as well as the all black colouring. It fits the black dog phenomenon, which is reported to move with a feline grace a.k.a giant hyrax imo


Published on Wednesday 20 January 2010 14:34

This is the savage beast blamed for mauling animals in and around Buckshaw Village.
Dubbed the Buckshaw Beast, it has been described as a mix between a wild boar and a ferocious wolf.
The Guardian has been sent photographs of a deer the creature savaged, but the images were too gruesome to publish.
Tony Kenvig, who lives on Bamber Avenue, says he caught sight of the beast as it rifled through his bins late one night.
He said: "All the rubbish was strewn over my garden. This happened on a few occasions and one night I heard snuffles and looked out of my window and saw some kind of hyena stood rigid on its back legs."
He said incidents involving the wolf-like creature first began in early October last year.
Since then, residents of Buckshaw Village on social networking sites have been busy trying to establish what the animal is.
Shelley Levene, who lives on Oxford Mews, said: "I've seen it too. It's not a dog.
"I have two Alsations, both ex-police dogs. I saw it going through my bins.
"I couldn't understand why they weren't barking, so I went down to investigate and they were shaking and cowering in their kennel.
"Just the scent of this thing must have been enough to spook them.
"I no longer walk the streets of Buckshaw alone at night anymore and would advise all other residents to start to be vigilant.
"This beast in dangerous."
John Russell, who photographed the beast on Dawson Lane, said: "This is crazy. I can't work out what it is.
"This was no boar. I saw it move and it had a feline movement. They say it's to blame for the recent deer slayings."
Chris Bailey, from Chipping Wild Boar Park, said it was possible a wild boar could display such behaviour – but it was very unlikely.
He said: "If they are really hungry they could eat a deer.
"There is lots of countryside around there that they could go into so it is possible. But I'm surprised. I have heard of cases like this before – but only when they are very hungry and looking for food."
After examining the picture, Mr Bailey said the animal's features did not appear to match those of a wild boar.
He said: "Unfortunately, the picture isn't too clear, but from what we can see the nose seems shorter and the back legs are different. They look similar to that of a dog."

http://www.leylandguardian.co.uk/news/local/beast_of_buckshaw_caught_on_film_1_2012565

THE LEGEND OF THE LEYLAND CAT CREATURE AND THE BEAST OF BUCKSHAW VILLAGE. The thing is, It couldn't have been a big cat. It would have to walk on it's hind legs whilst carrying the stone block. The "large eyes" are also a give away as well as the all black colouring. It fits the black dog phenomenon, which is reported to move with a feline grace a.k.a giant hyrax imo

As I am sure you know the rock hyrax is rather closely related to elephants. So for that reason I think the LLC and the BBV are probably very small, agile elephans that have lost there trunks. My guess is that they have also developed opposible thumbs and are tree duelling - which would explain why they are not regularly seen or found. In all probability they also hibernate which again indicates why they are not seen in the winter much. They have been around for a while which means they have a breeding population. They are probably egg layers. The female will leave her on the bark of hawthorn trees around 20 ft up and the male will fertilize them at his leisure. The pupa probably burrow into the tree and after several years metamorphose into adults. That accounts for the high number of hollow trees in the area.

It all fits so perfectly.

The Deerman sightings have led to this similarity in the "red eye" description
Galva chiropractor Dr. C. L. Cunningham told how years ago he and fellow Boy Scout leader Jim Stringer took the troop camping at Giant Goose Conservation Area and one night told them the legend of Deerman who, he claims, had a red eye that people spotted in the dark. As the tale grew scarier, Stringer slipped away into the nearby woods with a red flashlight and started “blinking” it at the Scouts who became even more terrified. Cunningham said his son, Jon, one of the boys in the group, is now a Scout leader himself in Batavia, and shares the Deerman story with wide-eyed boys around the campfire. “Doc” sent a copy of last week’s Deerman column to Jon who is sharing the origin of Deerman with another generation of Scouts.

Vermont: Mystery Three-Toed Track (Feb 2011) (http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/vt-3toes/). Good photos of strange three toed prints in link.

New Michigan Dogman Sighting, Youtube April 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7voVXIjhpM). Video footage features voiced account of 7ft dogman at window and shows scatch marks and prints in snow in the morning. Here's the original complete with screams Michigan Dogman Sighting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSpFP3_6O_8)

Man-bear-pig sighted in South Park

Eureka! The Giant Hyrax hypothesis can also explain the mermaid myths of legend! (http://drfong.blogspot.com/2008/01/legendary-river-mermaid-spotted.html)


People on the banks of the Buffelsjags River at Suurbraak, a village close to Swellendam in the Western Cape, have reported spotting a legendary mermaid-like creature, known locally as the Kaaiman.

At a nearby low water bridge, a man said he saw a figure, “like that of a white woman with long hair thrashing about in the water”.

Thinking to save her, he waded toward her, but said he stopped in his tracks when he noticed a reddish shine in her eyes. The sight sent “shivers” down his spine, yet he was pulled forward as if hypnotised.

He said the figure made “the strangest sound”, like a woman crying. His mother, Dina, said the figure sounded so sorrowful “my heart could take it no more”.

The Kaaiman is described as a half human, half fish creature which lives in deep pools. It is white and has long hair and red eyes.

So giant hyraxes look like half human, half fish? You're so funny CSS...you see GH everywhere.

So giant hyraxes look like half human, half fish? You're so funny CSS...you see GH everywhere.lol, yep

There's a connection between hyraxes, Israel and mermaid sightings. Apologies for the Daryl Hannah photo but take a look at these:

(i) Mermaid Fever Makes A Splash In Israel, Aug 2009 (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Israel-Mermaid-Fever-Makes-A-Splash-Mythical-Creature-Spotted-Near-Haifa/Article/200908215358515)

(ii) The Bible has explicitly declared hyraxes (sometimes translated to rabbits or rock badgers) not to be kosher because they don't have split hooves (or even hooves at all). Hence the Israeli hyrax has been running around with free abandon for donkey's years. No wonder they're playing in the surf and catching fish whilst waving at the silly humans on the shore.

There's also the bigfoot type which could easily be mistaken for the giant hyrax or dogman type cryptid. Could these prints be three-toed do you think?

Bigfoot Investigators Hope DNA Test Will Confirm Existence Of Two Man-Beasts, June 2011 (http://weirdnews.aol.com/2011/06/16/bigfoot-dna-evidence-face-impression-body-hair_n_877718.html#s271012)

Could this smudge prove Bigfoot DOES exist? Explorers desperate to test DNA in marks left on abandoned car window, June 2011 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2007762/Could-smudge-prove-Bigfoot-DOES-exist-Explorers-desperate-test-DNA-marks-left-abandoned-car-window.html?ito=feeds-newsxml)

http://www.sciforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4304&d=1309166901

Observation.
Hyraxes have hands very much like a human hand.

Yes, I think we can assume that the pink hand-like object in the photo is a human hand (!). (ho ho)

OK
Explain the shadow of the baby elephant.
(bottom left)

OK
Explain the shadow of the baby elephant.
(bottom left)He's the one holding the camera of course :)

Red Eyed "Lizard Man" returns to haunt South Carolina, July 2011 (http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979583618)


Then reports of a lizard-like creature in the area started coming in. Only this terrifying animal was 7-feet tall, with red eyes and three claw-like fingers on each hand. With an appetite for chrome... just like the old days.

Giant Hyrax Of China (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=z9gMsCUtCZUC&pg=PA197&lpg=PA197&dq=giant+hyrax&source=bl&ots=JTRmhsnj3T&sig=yutdLlhQA-3ypzyYOpxm455aFZA&hl=en&ei=2O0aTsLUIcGFhQeQ49TMBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCIQ6AEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=giant%20hyrax&f=false)

Lake monster known as the dobhar-chú (‘water hound’) or master otter (http://karlshuker.blogspot.com/2011/02/irish-master-otter-in-scotland.html?spref=tw)

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"This tombstone portays the dobhar-chú as being decidedly canine in overall form (thus explaining its Gaelic name’s derivation), with long limbs, muscular haunches, deep chest, and a long tufted tail, but combined with these features are others that are undeniably otter-like, such as its tiny ears, very large paws, short head, and fairly long heavy neck – hence ‘master otter’. Collectively, they yield an animal unlike anything known to contemporary zoology. Intriguingly, however, cryptozoology can offer a very comparable, recent version.

On 1 May 1968, John Cooney and Michael McNulty witnessed an extremely strange creature run across the road just in front of their vehicle and vanish into some undergrowth, as they were driving home past Sraheens Lough – a lake on Achill Island, off the western coast of County Mayo, which is in the same region of Ireland as Counties Leitrim and Sligo. They later described this animal as having four well-developed legs on which it rocked from side to side as it ran, a long sturdy tail, small head, and lengthy neck. Shiny dark-brown in colour, it measured 2.4-3.0 m in total length. During the next few weeks, several similar reports were made in this vicinity by others too. Could this cryptid have been a dobhar-chú?

"There have been many claims of lake monsters inhabiting various of Ireland’s loughs, but as many of these bodies of water are very small, sceptics have dismissed such a possibility by claiming that the loughs could not sustain such creatures. If, however, they have the ability to move from one lough to another, rather than residing permanently in any single body of water, lough size would not be a problem – and perhaps that is what the Sraheens Lough creature was doing when sighted. The nature of its zoological identity, meanwhile, and that of Glenade Lake’s morphologically-reminiscent dobhar-chú too remain a complete mystery."

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...on the summer solstice of the year 1510 some kind of beast the size of a mastiff emerged at dawn from one of those lochs, named Gairloch, having feet like a goose, that without any difficulty knocked down great oak trees with the lashings of its tail. It quickly ran up to the huntsmen and laid low three of them with three blows, the remainder making their escape among the trees. Then, without any hesitation, it immediately returned into the loch. Men think that when this monster appears it portends great evil for the realm, for otherwise it is rarely seen."