Say something about reality, how you perceive it.

Now compare that to the reality that meets you when you look outside.

Try to describe something that you have experianced.

How far do you come to the real thing?


Aren't we clouded? Aren't we fumbling in darkness?

Yes.

More interestingly however, is the question as to whether or not there is anything but the darkness.
:-)

Oh no, not that question again :D

I do not perceive reality, I define reality.

What I experience is life, if it is real or not is of no imediate concern to me.

Darkness within darkness, the gateway to all understanding.

What is different between the reality when you look outside, and the reality you percieve? If there is a reality that exists outside of your perception of it (I.e. plato is wrong), do you think we posess the ability to percieve that reality as well as the one we percieve as Our reality?

The reality that we see exists only now. The reality of the past is a memory. We fumble in darkness as we question the world before us. The world’s answers simply leave us asking more questions. We are all blind men wondering in the desert, looking for an oasis. And for our entire existence we’ll find nothing but sand, but our hope is never shattered. We are fueled by our inquisition for answers. Darkness is what we find.


My apologies with the brutal metafors

Say something about reality, how you perceive it.

Now compare that to the reality that meets you when you look outside.

Try to describe something that you have experianced.

How far do you come to the real thing?


Aren't we clouded? Aren't we fumbling in darkness?


No. We are acting on the principle of *feasibility* -- which living organisms must do, if they want to survive. (And they just have this inherent desire to survive.)

I'm away for the weekend guys (don't know why I'm telling u all this in THIS here thread....but anyway.....). I'm going to a wedding 2moro so i have the day off!!!!

This is my last post of the week.

BYEEEEE!

Yes.

More interestingly however, is the question as to whether or not there is anything but the darkness.
:-)Ooooh....don't go there! :)

The reality that we see exists only now. The reality of the past is a memory. We fumble in darkness as we question the world before us. The world’s answers simply leave us asking more questions. We are all blind men wondering in the desert, looking for an oasis. And for our entire existence we’ll find nothing but sand, but our hope is never shattered. We are fueled by our inquisition for answers. Darkness is what we find.


My apologies with the brutal metaforsWell, we don't only find darkness, I must disagree with that. Sometimes we do find a oasis.

Though when finding a oasis (or a light) we often only manage to describe darkness :), so maybe the darkness is in our own description?

Even a photograph can't give a satisfying description of what we see, cause it can't carry the feeling of what we see - or it is utterly bad at it.

No. We are acting on the principle of *feasibility* -- which living organisms must do, if they want to survive. (And they just have this inherent desire to survive.)Ok, we gotta do what we gotta do. To survive, but when we don't see a clear image of what to do, then we must find the pieces that we do see and understand and make the most out of it.

But this is still fumbling in darkness and grasping for straws.

I'm not even sure how to approach this topic. It is clear that our description of reality is usually inaccurate to a degree. It is true that there is a darkness in our mind, but that darkness, it is clear, it not utter.

To ask the question, is there anything but darkness is silly, for how could we know of darkness without first perceiving light? If there were no light, then we could have no conception of it, since there is nothing in darkness that would even bring us close to the conception of light.

We cannot define reality. We can understand reality as far as we are able given our ability to know it. Reality is simply what is, and because we did not make what is, there is no way we can define it. This is evident since there is much that we perceive, yet do not understand. If reality were defined by us, then there would be nothing left not understood by us, since anything that could not be understood, we would simply give definition to.

It might be true that we cannot know anything with absolute certainty while we yet live. However, this is irrelivant, since all we can do is gather evidence and act accordingly. If our evidence indicates a certain reality, then it would be irrational to deny that reality. We will most certainly be incorrect about many of our beliefs about reality, but until those beliefs are corrected, we must live by them, else we must not live at all.

I'm not even sure how to approach this topic. It is clear that our description of reality is usually inaccurate to a degree. It is true that there is a darkness in our mind, but that darkness, it is clear, it not utter.Well, the darkness comes with our inability to fully describe and "live" the situations. The darkness is best seen in our memories, cause they reflect how much we actually absorbed of the situation, I have memories that are bright as a day even though they were experianced years ago, but yesterday may often be cloudy and dark...We should appreciate life more! We can live much more!

To ask the question, is there anything but darkness is silly, for how could we know of darkness without first perceiving light? If there were no light, then we could have no conception of it, since there is nothing in darkness that would even bring us close to the conception of light.I agree, and the light shines through the darkness, weren't it for the light nothing would be known.

We cannot define reality. We can understand reality as far as we are able given our ability to know it. Reality is simply what is, and because we did not make what is, there is no way we can define it. This is evident since there is much that we perceive, yet do not understand. If reality were defined by us, then there would be nothing left not understood by us, since anything that could not be understood, we would simply give definition to.Thanks, I agree completly.

It might be true that we cannot know anything with absolute certainty while we yet live. However, this is irrelivant, since all we can do is gather evidence and act accordingly. If our evidence indicates a certain reality, then it would be irrational to deny that reality. We will most certainly be incorrect about many of our beliefs about reality, but until those beliefs are corrected, we must live by them, else we must not live at all.The trouble is when the 'public' evidence shadows your personal. There are evidences not seen in the world, but seen by us, it is a story of corruption of ourselves. When you see the truth, be the one who brings it to the one near you.

What is this "darkness" of which you speak? The absence of light?

This guy should NOT walk this earth if you ask me. This is the real side of the darkness, check out the video.


http://www.totallyshocking.com/media428.htm

Prince,.. yes... darkness is the absence of light. But you have to undertand that just like there's physical "light" there's also mental light which can show our way out from our mental darkness.

Qorl... indeed... but... isn't that what they do when they make hamburgers? i guess they don't kill them in such a cruel way. Also... I'm wondering, why can a pig show signs of life when its head has been cut off but a human can't?

c7ityi_

I didn't see any humans in this video.

What is this "darkness" of which you speak? The absence of light?Like c7ityi_ it is mental darkness that I speak of, darkness is the lack of anything, if you talk to someone in the phone and it becomes silent you experiance darkness, the same way we experiance darkness in our minds when something is not clearly remembered or there is missing information also we experiance darkness in our minds because of the inability to take in the experiances fully.