Dad 'repeatedly walked past dead twins'

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Asguard, Jun 18, 2008.

  1. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    I dont even know how to acuratly assess this case its so discusting. Not only did they neglect there children, they did nothing when they died and they let there 11year old walk in and find the bodies.

    I felt physically ill when i saw this
     
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  3. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    oh and the nabors who ocasionally feed them because they were always hungry, how much effort does it take to pick up a phone and call DOCS?
     
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  5. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    How long does post-partum depression last?
     
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  7. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    i dont honestly know when it stops being post partum and slips into just depression

    Still i find the actions of the people around this couple the most desterbing of all and they DONT have that excuse
     
  8. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    WHAT!? Its the responsibily of the people who don't even live in the house? The people who are in no way related?! Their actions you find most disturbing? Not the Mom's, not the Dad's?
    amazing
     
  9. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    orelander tell me what you would do if your nabor's child came over all the time hungry asking for food

    Would you ignore it?
     
  10. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    More disturbing than the parents who starved them to death?
    And considering social services had been called on them before and nothing was done...I think they did considerably more than the parents.
     
  11. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    Yea i didnt put that into my post because im not sure if its acurate. Acording to ABC news (on the radio) the family wasnt known to DOCS. However if this story is the acurate acount and they HAD previously had children removed for neglect then i hope those social workers get charged.

    And no im not exusing the neglect at all, the police have charged them with "failing to provide the nessasities of life" (in other words death by neglect) but could upgrade it to manslaughter or murder after the autopsy (from ABC news radio interview). I hope for the sake of that girl who walked into find her brothers rotting corpus that they make it murder

    This whole case sickens me
     
  12. Bells Staff Member

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    This case is bizarre in the extreme.

    The neighbours commented to the media last night that they knew something weird was going on in that house, that the children were always coming to their houses asking for food and water. Let me put it to you this way, if your neighbour's child keeps coming to your door begging for food, wouldn't you question why? But then when you think about it, some kids are always hungry, no matter how much they eat. They aren't to blame. How could they have known that the youngest children were being starved to death? The neighbours didn't even know the twins existed.

    Not even the older children knew she was starving them.

    You also have to wonder about other family members and friends who said and did nothing during all this time. It could very well be that the parents kept the mistreatment that well hidden. But there had been reports made about the family to the Department of Child Safety, which also found nothing conclusive in 2006, before the twins were born. Sadly, they failed to do any follow up checks after the twins were born.

    As for the parents themselves. Their lack of care for their children is evident. Their 18 month old twins were the size of newborn babies due to the fact that they were so malnourished. They were, literally, starved to death. They never left their rooms, and were virtually kept in their bedrooms, so that even their siblings rarely ever saw them. The father, supposedly estranged from his partner, never saw them for 6 months (again, supposedly). How can a parent not see his children, while they live in the same house? How is that even possible?

    As I said. Bizarre and absolutely tragic.
     
  13. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    sickerning bells, not tragic
     
  14. lucifers angel same shit, differant day!! Registered Senior Member

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    you can have depression from child birth onto when the kids are older! post natal depression is so difficutl to shift
     
  15. lucifers angel same shit, differant day!! Registered Senior Member

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    no i would not, and i have on occassion called social services on a perent that i knew, he would leave his two kids alone for hours somtimes days at an end, while he would drink himself stupid, and his daughter who was just 8yrs old would walk outside in the winter with no shoes on, and little clothing on
     
  16. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    UPDATE:


    I belive (bells may correct me on this) that this is the highest crime they can be charged with, not only murder but torcher as well.
     
  17. everneo Re-searcher Registered Senior Member

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    ..when are you going to stop this torcher.
     
  18. Bells Staff Member

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    It's not surprising that the charges have been upgraded to include murder and torture. The prosecution in this case will be going for the maximum due to the severity of the case and frankly, the public outrage in this case will also weigh into it somewhat. Other evidence has come to light in the media, about the mother's virtual pleas for help on an internet parenting site.

    Here is a photo of the twins, which she posted on the parenting site when she first started posting there months ago:

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    The article also states that she had begun to post this at around the same time that her relationship with her partner was breaking down.

    There was a mention in the media last night that starvation may not have been the cause of the children's death. There are other issues in this case which are bizarre in the extreme. I suspect it will come to light soon enough.
     
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  19. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    i saw the story on the internet web board but never herd anything about the cause of death being anything other than stavation. Do you have a link to that?

    Im a little concerned that the mother will get off by saying it was PND and all the blame will fall on the father (because depression of fathers isnt well accepted in the wider comunity yet). I did agree with the psycologist that its a sad state of affairs when there isnt anyone a parent can turn to for help if they are overwhelmed.

    I guess we will know in a couple of years
     
  20. everneo Re-searcher Registered Senior Member

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    in a couple of years ?
     
  21. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    when the court case is compleated
     
  22. Bells Staff Member

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    It was briefly mentioned in the Brisbane news last night. I have yet to see it verified in print in any online news service.

    Could it be PND? Who knows. I guess they'll have to delve into the treatment of the other children before the twins were born. It was before the twin's birth that the Child Safety Department were called in to investigate possible abuse when one of the other children came to school with a suspicious injury. But they found the claim to be unsubstantiated.

    And you're wrong Asguard. There are places for parents who are in trouble to turn to for help. Especially in instances where there is PND and where a parent fears they could harm their child. She could have gone to her doctors with her concerns or just walked into a hospital emergency ward.

    Even with PND, there is no excuse for those children to have been starved and left in the state they had been. As for the father's role.. you're telling me he was that disinterested that he never once even looked in on his children in over 6 months? That he walked past their door without once looking at them for over 6 months? What of other family members? No one noticed?

    As I said, there are issues in this case that go beyond being bizarre. She may have suffered PND (I understand she is also on suicide watch at the present time because they fear she will try to take her own life). It still does not excuse her behaviour, nor does it excuse the father as well. Those children had never been fed solid food. They were 18 months old. She only fed them milk or formula every once in a while.

    Again, the prosecution will be going for the maximum and quite rightly so. They both refused psych consults prior to their first court hearings. At the end of the day, those two children died horrible deaths while in the care of their parents.
     
  23. lepustimidus Banned Banned

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    What's the bet that the parents were well fed?
     

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