:D
that's right, people. i'm talking about the focus of man's identity: his penis. does size really matter in intercourse? i read an article stating that most of the nerve endings in a woman's vagina are clustered around the opening itself and there is little to no sensation in the canal (discounting the g-spot of course). if that is true then it would seem that anything can get the job done... as the guy tries hard enough. :p
men, be honest. women, be honest. :D

I really do not think it matters... as you say, most of the nerves ever needed are within 4 inches. The average is about 5.7 inches. It's got clearance. I read that a lot of woman don't like a penis that is much bigger than average because it hurts.

A girl I know said she only had 3 orgasms in her life... and her first one was with a guy that had a 4 inch penis (errect).

I wish I had some jokes on this matter.. but I don't.

I wish I had some jokes on this matter.. but I don't.

Howabout:

"I'm still a virgin, and wishful that women will actually enjoy my small, white, inexperienced cock."

Howabout:

"I'm still a virgin, and wishful that women will actually enjoy my small, white, inexperienced cock."

Lol

It matters only so much as it needs to fit, too thin and too short is like having a finger inserted, and if that was good enough then lesbians wouldn't need strap ons.

Oh and to even up the score for men, a big baggy pussy is no joy for a guy if his penis doesn't touch the sides!

Howabout:

"I'm still a virgin, and wishful that women will actually enjoy my small, white, inexperienced cock."

I think you are not being entirely honest. I demand evidence.

Oh and to even up the score for men, a big baggy pussy is no joy for a guy if his penis doesn't touch the sides!

No tread on the tire :eek:

:D
..... i read an article stating that most of the nerve endings in a woman's vagina are clustered around the opening itself and there is little to no sensation in the canal (discounting the g-spot of course). if that is true then it would seem that anything can get the job done... as the guy tries hard enough. :p
men, be honest. women, be honest. :D

This has to be said: That is is not the only place to put the thing, and not the only way to achieve the required effect.

--- Ron.

Wooot!
Another does-size-matter-thread posted by breastfed homos. BOOOOOGA BOOGIE BOO, lick my ass, I'm bored and all you people are posting about is love and does my dick shrivel up at the speed of light and the theory of relativity is soooo kewl and does God exist contradicotry paradigms hey look ma I'm using big words now.


The only one that remotely gives the teeniest semblance of a shit about the size of a man's penis is that man.


Precicely.

It has to be small enough to simulate masturbating, and this is not humor.
Penetration is what the name implies, an intrusive pain meant to be castrated.

wooooooooot

another 'I am a failed woman so I wanna be a man, but my clit isn't nearly as big as a cock but I'm working on it' post from Gendwankern, nothing useful to say clearly. You came of the meds then?

Yes, to a certain point size does matter to me. With that said though, i wouldn't brake up with a guy just coz he didn't measure up. There's lots you can do in bed if you use your imagination....(so i'm told)

Yes, to a certain point size does matter to me. With that said though, i wouldn't brake up with a guy just coz he didn't measure up. There's lots you can do in bed if you use your imagination....(so i'm told)

Indeed there is but you can't beat a good old fashioned 'bang'


bang........bang........bang..........bang........ ...eh :)

Great, now i'm thinking about sex.....:$
*takes shirt off***

Great, now i'm thinking about sex.....:$
*takes shirt off***


hehe, I am rarely not thinking about it, I think it's an age thing.....yep, I'm at THAT age.

Even your Avatar is making me think about it.... i must leave this thread before it's too late....
**takes shoes and socks off**

I don’t know why people keep asking this question. Of course it matters. But it is not the only thing that matters. A man with a small penis can satisfy a woman just as much as a man with a large penis, if he is willing to use his tongue, a vibrator, and anything else that he can think of to make her happy. And women prefer different sizes. Some like them big and some like them small. But most like them in between. Statistically I think the best size for most women is a thick seven inches.

Statistically I think the best size for most women is a thick seven inches.

LOL.. you know that is above average, right? Maybe 1 in 5 can do that?

well the Uk must be populated with above average men then............makes me proud to be British :)

LOL.. you know that is above average, right? Maybe 1 in 5 can do that?

I got the 7-inch answer from various sex polls that I read over the years. According to a scientific study that I read recently, the average size for all men is about 6 inches. The average size for Oriental men is about 5 inches. The average size for Caucasian men in just under 6 inches. The average size for black men is about 7 inches. I don't remember the exact number of men that were over 8 inches. But I think it was about 10 percent of the population.

I got the 7-inch answer from various sex polls that I read over the years. According to a scientific study that I read recently, the average size for all men is about 6 inches. The average size for Oriental men is about 5 inches. The average size for Caucasian men in just under 6 inches. The average size for black men is about 7 inches. I don't remember the exact number of men that were over 8 inches. But I think it was about 10 percent of the population.

Feel free to get off on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis_size

Even if 7 inches is most prefered by woman, the accepted "average length" (random sampling of humans) is 5.7 inches. It's said that 85% of woman are satisfied by their partner's size. Seeing as how a majority of men are in a sexual relationship, this would fit the bell curve quite well (15% of men have a penis that is too small or two large... or a handful of woman are picky.. being affected by both dislike and media exposure).

Also:

The media image of women's preference may have had an impact on some average sized men, and caused even more damage to below-average sized men who are likely already self conscious. In recent years, penis pumps, pills, and other dubious means of penis enlargement have had increased sales.

Surveys of women's actual preference have consistently shown that penis size is only a priority for a minority of women, and some women dislike large penises. The media have been criticized for making "penis envy" into a male body issue equivalent to Cosmopolitan magazine being criticized for their coverage of women's weight. Indeed, one episode of Sex and the City also shows a character expressing displeasure over her partner having too large a penis, though the penis is described in hyperbolic terms and implied to be something of impossibly gargantuan proportions.

Maybe we should have a poll for average penis size in guys on sciforums.

Maybe we should have a poll for average penis size in guys on sciforums.

it would be pointless unless they provided photographic evidence

And so....? ;)

i happen to like sam's idea. :D
i'd like to close this thread and open a new one with a poll.
it will be entitled: DO YOU SIZE UP?

i happen to like sam's idea. :D
i'd like to close this thread and open a new one with a poll.
it will be entitled: DO YOU SIZE UP?

make it public poll... then insist upon pictorial evidence, no bananas allowed

Hmm maybe a size range is better; guys are apt to overestimate, this may cut down on the variability

already done. i did forget to mention that substitues aren't allowed though...
alright, everyone. *ushers everyone to the door* time to check out the new poll. :D

From everything I've heard and read, I think it's more important to men as a matter of pride than it is to women as a matter of function.

Not that men anywhere ever stand around comparing erect penises. (Okay, straight men anyway.) If one guy brags I guess the others believe him and go home and feel bad. Or they see the well-endowed guys in porno films--who after all were hired for being larger than average--and it makes them feel inadequate.

From everything I've heard and read, I think it's more important to men as a matter of pride than it is to women as a matter of function.

Not that men anywhere ever stand around comparing erect penises. (Okay, straight men anyway.) If one guy brags I guess the others believe him and go home and feel bad. Or they see the well-endowed guys in porno films--who after all were hired for being larger than average--and it makes them feel inadequate.


the fact that size DOES matter was womens clsoest kept secret ...until now that is.

the fact that size DOES matter was womens clsoest kept secret ...until now that is.

Sad how size matters when most men will not measure up to the supposed "standards" of "most" women. :rolleyes:

who set the standards i wonder??? Who was the first woman to have been dissapointed with size??? and who was the man that dissapointed her?? Feel free to through some names around..

Eve: Is it in yet?
Adam: Erm... more clay please, God..

Well if you look at the data and consider a standard bell curve, it seems 85% of men cannot measure up.

LOL Redarmy - i think you hit the nail on the head!!!!!!
***still laughing**

Well it's fact that 50% of men are smaller than average...

Sad how size matters when most men will not measure up to the supposed "standards" of "most" women. :rolleyes:

relaxxxxxxx women are soft and soppy and so will relinquish sexual satisfaction for breakfast in bed :)

I'm not one of them. I did have to discontinue relations with a guy for being too small, and another for being too big.

My advice to ladies is thus: Try before you Buy :)

Well it's fact that 50% of men are smaller than average...

Maybe not. Maybe it's 48%.

Example (1 + 3 + 10 + 2)/4 = 4... 75% are less than average.

Anyway... it's probably that the average is 5.7 inces long. 85% of men are somewhere less than 6.3 inches (give or take some)...

Aaaaah….thank you sciforums for never disappointing me.

What if, like myself, you had a 1 inch member and nowhere to put it?

Give me the obvious answer below:

I would resort to a modified strap-on.

Here's a thought:

Maybe, if the size of your penis is so important to you or if it fills you with anxiety and concern, …. maybe, just maybe, that is but the tip – excuse the pun - of some bigger, submerged inadequacy iceberg.

Here’s a little secret about women that might be true…or not:

Women are inspired into orgasm.
If you manage to mimic or if you somehow, through no effort on your part, manage to represent some ideal they value and have been brought up to admire (physical or otherwise), no matter how pathetic, stupid, cruel or small you might be, you’ll be everything to them.

A man fertilizes and so must prove himself.
His mind is adaptive and strategic.

A woman filters and so must intuitively see through fakery and seek out the ideal she’s been indoctrinated into, and then she wants to impregnate, gestate and reproduce it.
She wants to be a vehicle for the birth of something better.

She’ll gush Niagara Falls if you can convince her that you are the closest thing to the ideal, she thinks of as superior.
Your penis will merely be the physical projection of your spirit and she will milk it and worship it just as long as it promises to give her the opportunity to be the instrument of your continuance.

Satyr,
It sounds to me like a particularly insecure individual is trying to rationalize for the inadequacy in their nether regions...

Satyr,
It sounds to me like a particularly insecure individual is trying to rationalize for the inadequacy in their nether regions...

How does his inadequacy (in theory anyway... we don't know) render his argument incorrect?

I think he has a good view. I never actually thought about it that way.

Acorrding to a teen health site:
"Soft adult penises are usually between 3-1/4 and 4-1/4 inches long. Some may be shorter, longer, thinner, or thicker. Five to seven inches is the average length of a hard penis."
teenwire (http://www.teenwire.com/ask/2000/as-20001003p092.php)
Acording to Cosmo, average girth is 5 inches.

5-7 inches.. what an amazing range. If you look at the stats (provided on the wiki link I gave) that seems to account for most.

I wonder why no one has posted their own stats. It seems the next thing to do in threads like this. Let's get Muslim in on this.

She’ll gush Niagara Falls if you can convince her that you are the closest thing to the ideal, she thinks of as superior.
Your penis will merely be the physical projection of your spirit and she will milk it and worship it just as long as it promises to give her the opportunity to be the instrument of your continuance.

Interesting notion.
However. How do you account for the fact that women are more likely to conceive when cheating on their mate?
It seems that mate and father are not identical to a woman's biology.

When women cheat, they gush more than Niagra Falls.
Ever hear about the Inundation of the Black Sea that is thought by some to be the origin of the flood stories?

Satyr,
It sounds to me like a particularly insecure individual is trying to rationalize for the inadequacy in their nether regions...Figured me out so soon, huh?
Damn!!!

I was hoping to pass off as one of you healthy ones for a little while longer.

Must I be the ostracized one indefinitely?!!!
Woe is me.

By the way….
Are you trying to rationalize away my rationalization to explain away an inadequacy in your fore regions?

Haven’t you heard?
I’m an impotent charlatan vying for undeserved attention with verbose pseudo-intellectual meanderings.

Are you trying to rationalize away my rationalization to explain away an inadequacy in your fore regions?

I've always had to rationalize away the guilt of my over-adequacy...

I've always had to rationalize away the guilt of my over-adequacy...Guilt is a concept I am growing less and less familiar with.

You should be ready for your first kill soon then?

Do you have a particular type in mind? Or will you just pick up some random person?
I presume it'll be a female.

Went to go look it up.
Again according to Cosmo, average length flacid is 3.5 inches, average length erect is 5.1 inches.
This one's more specific, I guess because they're not worrying about hurting anyone's feelings since guys don't read Cosmo.

Went to go look it up.
Again according to Cosmo, average length flacid is 3.5 inches, average length erect is 5.1 inches.
This one's more specific, I guess because they're not worrying about hurting anyone's feelings since guys don't read Cosmo.

Don't read that garbage. First off, the reading level is likely under the "10th grade level." Second, their stats look awfully wrong.

You should be ready for your first kill soon then?

Do you have a particular type in mind? Or will you just pick up some random person?
I presume it'll be a female.Such a roundabout way to attempt an uppercut…. :rolleyes:
*tisk* *tisk* *tisk*
Oive.

A kill? :confused:

In which book did you read that guiltless and witless are synonyms?

The ‘you hate women and that’s why you believe what you do’ angle is unoriginal.

Try assuming that the other has no ulterior motives before you project your own intellectual methodologies upon them.

I think chimpanzees are dumb….is that because I hate them?
I think you are a pussy-whipped, desperate weakling……is that because I hate you, also?
Oops…you may have a point.
You are female-like and this could be why you remind me of an itch.

If I tell someone, who happens to be black, that I dislike him, is it because he’s black or because he’s an asshole?
He’ll, of course, try to save himself the indignity by thinking that it’s my prejudices that make me think so little of him when its him all along.
A shared insult in better than a solitary one.

But to answer your question more directly:

I was hoping for a less random victim.
Where do you live anyways?

I don't read it, nor any of those other magazines that really only teen girls read, because I know they're a waste of time, or as you put it, garbage. But on this occasion I remembered reading that and went to find the one issue. As for stats, I can't say nothin. I don't have one, and listening to what guys say about theirs is pointless. It generally goes "har har I'm like a foot long".

Satyr,

My. If I didn't know that you were so touchy, I'd think that I touched you.

I was joking, Satyr.
No "uppercut".

I thought it was kinda funny the way you responded with your losing touch with guilt. And my first thought was a serial killer. (Especially on my mind as two women were killed in the woods here yesterday. And. No. Not by me. I know what you're thinking...)

I know exactly what you mean about guilt.
However. Think it might be wishful thinking? A little?

By the way. Did you miss my first post?


You are female-like and this could be why you remind me of an itch.

You definitely do seem to have some pent-up agression towards women though.

invert_nexus
My. If I didn't know that you were so touchy, I'd think that I touched you.I am touchy….and a little bit feely.

I know exactly what you mean about guilt.
However. Think it might be wishful thinking? A little?Here’s another instance of wishful thinking:

Expecting the “less and less” to not be interpreted as an absolute.

By the way. Did you miss my first post?I don’t know why but you remind me of Odysseus’s dog waiting there for years and years for its master to return.
Only its not Odysseus but some Amazon princess he hopes will slap him around and make him feel wanted… once again.

You definitely do seem to have some pent-up agression towards women though. I know.
Keep that candle burning, my man.

Shit this is like old times….
Good times…..Good times.

Wow, catfight.
Why am I not surprised that invert_nexus is involved?

Stop me if you've heard this one before.

I was at a party, and my friend tells this chick I have a 12 inch dick. "This is Roman, he has a 12 inch dick," sort of thing. So she stumbles up to me, all drunk slut, "so you're Roman."

"Uh, yeah," and I brush her off. I get the "so you're Roman," thing a lot, because I'm wildly popular. Then I ignore her because she's stupid. But chicks love it when you ignore them and then are mean to them. Drives them wild. Hope you're taking notes, Absane.

Driven wild by astounding abilities to ignore her, she presses further. "So you have a 12 inch penis." My two friends are cracking up, and the queer she rolled to the part with is all intrested in my young, tight sphincter and, possibly, colossal member. We call the fag Creepy David because he's a 90-lb fag who humps 15 year old 90-lb fags, and gets all up on your balls like he's a fratboy on a drunk chick. Ew.

This was going weird, fast, so I do like I do in any social situation. I start drinking. Well, drinking more, which ended up being my mistake.

"No," I tell her, "it's considerably shorter. 5 inches shorter." She counts on her fingers, then looks at me, impressed. "Eight's still really big."

"Yes, yes it is," and you're a dumb slut.
"So, Roman, why won't you sleep with me?"
"I'm..." don'tsaygaydon'tsaygaydon'tsaygay "don't like girls."
"Oh, you're gay?"

And the fags on me like, well, a fag on firm, fresh ass.
"Nononono, don't get me wrong, I hate fags."

Then it went boring from there. In the hindsight of sobriety, I think my best course of action would have been to tell her I was a virgin, then 'accidently' poked her in her Italian pooper. Oh well :(

Why pick on me?

And I think the whole "being mean to them drives them wild" only works if you are popular with the guys. If someone has no friends, goes to a bar, and does the "act mean" act, I highly doubt it will work. However, if you have a group of guys with you that act as your "backup," then it will work.

At least that has been my experience... girls flirting with me when I keep ignoring them (at parties with friends). When I am alone, it doesn't work.. they just go elsewhere.

But chicks love it when you ignore them and then are mean to them. Drives them wild.

Such "chicks" also transfer their attentions pretty fast.

As long as they have the attention span to give a blow job, I really couldn't care less.

Wow, catfight.
Why am I not surprised that invert_nexus is involved?

Does the answer have something to do with your miniscule wang?

(You used to respect me. Has it come to this? My damn enormous penis gets in the way again...)

while i am confidant that my size.... is addiquate... i am conforted by the knowledge that size doesnt really matter... since a womans vagina is limited too the first 3 or 4 inches or so.... in which case... my confidence... continues strongly..

6 AND 1/2 inches should be enough... and i should'nt have to try and enlarge it.

-MT

6 AND 1/2 inches should be enough... and i should'nt have to try and enlarge it.

Did you use a pump before measuring?

I wonder if brain-size matters.

:rolleyes:

I wonder if brain-size matters.

:rolleyes:

In the case of humans it is not the brain size that matters. It is the density of neurons and dendrites that matters.

In the case of humans it is not the brain size that matters. It is the density of neurons and dendrites that matters.

It's the connections they make that matters.

Don't forget glial cells...

If I tell someone, who happens to be black, that I dislike him, is it because he’s black or because he’s an asshole?
He’ll, of course, try to save himself the indignity by thinking that it’s my prejudices that make me think so little of him when its him all along.
A shared insult in better than a solitary one.

you know, that is so true. :p

Did you use a pump before measuring?

my exhusband had a pump. this is a true story! believe it or don't. won't change the fact that it happened.
alright. when he started he was 6.5, 7". about 6 to 12 months, using it almost every night, he gained size to about 9". we theorized that what happened is he continually stretched the flesh making more room for bloodflow. eventually, the stretched skin stayed stretched out making his erection bigger. i believe this because in his flaccid state he was bigger, too.

i also believe regular use helps. my current husband (just 2, guys :p ) has increased in size since we've been...active. i think arousing the male to a fever degree and making him sustain it awhile before release helps in the same way: stretching the skin. that means no minute-man stunts guys. :D

does size really matter in intercourse?
Yes.

Yes.

Why?

i recall reading somewhere that there are phases of erection. My take on that info is: flaccid>>semi-mojo>>hard, but with give at the base>>rock solid, locked-in-place, full-mojo ;)

Seldom do men reach that elusive last stage due to the trascendental nature of it (most men are too busy feasting on the visuals). It's the grail of hard-ons and only the most tantalising fore-play and activity flow suffices.

mmm, that worked for me :D

So does increasing penis size by artificial means (eg pumps) lead to an increase in the perception of sexual satisfaction by women?

So does increasing penis size by artificial means (eg pumps) lead to an increase in the perception of sexual satisfaction by women?

in most cases, myself having been a victim of it :D , bigger makes women think of a more manly man. with experience under my garter i know that that is a crock of sh*poopy*t. most men with larger penises are too busy showing it off to learn how to use it properly or have some sort caveman complex...but i'm going to google it. :D

touchwood: i know exactly what you mean by full-mojo. it can take a man from moderate to choking. ;)

all the results followed pretty much the same thread: size matters only to the one using it. in other words, women don't really care aside from the visual and psychological aspects. it doesn't make much difference in feeling. here is an excerpt (http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=71019&sid=64eb859a3cabf5181a2afc70b989da59) :

I think penis size is indirectly related to the user's ability to please woman. If he feels his penis is too small - or even too big for that matter - and feels they can't satisfy someone for reasons outside their ability to remedy short of surgery, they won't perform well solely for that reason: their lack of confidence to please. Girls like confidence in and out of bed most of the time and lacking such will adversely effect a male's performance.

As for physical evidence regarding penis size and woman's pleasure, a woman's vagina is the most sensitive a few inches inside. However, it really can vary based on individual physiology and individual preference. Some woman are very tall while some are short as well as some are into that deep penetration from a larger size while some are hurt or uncomfortable by such a deep penetration. Not being a woman, I can't really form an opinion based on personal discovery or understand the idea of having something penetrate a cervix I don't have. All I can really say with any authority is that most healthy-minded woman don't need a foot long or even a half of that to be happy sexually. The average I think ranges somewhere from 4.5-5.5 inches. Don't quote me on that though. I also remember the sensitive nerve ending inside the vagina are roughly 3-4 inches in, so anybody on average can reach this without any problems.

What a lot of others don't seem to realize is that penis size, length and girth, is greatly enhanced compared to the owners perception of it. I've heard girls very level-headed and adjusted speculate how guys with normal sizes don't seem to realize how much bigger it seems to them. Guys carry it around all the time and get desensitized while girls who only see it at certain times are surprised at an appendage like that sticking so far out of a body. Basically, they know it's *supposed* to be there, but never imagined it to be something so "large" considering it seems so innocuous while flaccid or concealed as a small lump inside your pants.

There's also some research I did recreationally one day that speculates to the woman's pleasure in relation to her G-Spot. Some attest this spot doesn't exist, but my personal opinion is that it does (Not that it matters). Said research entailed a study where a woman's G is better stimulated with a shorter, thicker penis rather than a long one. Even if it was long and thick it wouldn't work as well on average. The deeper penetration holds little physical pleasure apparently - it's all about the visual and psychological aspects.

Thanks nubian

you are most welcome. :D

I agree that the psychological effect of having a large penis is the only real effect that it can have (that is, as long as the erect penis is at least 3 or 4 inches long.) Those extra couple inches past a woman's G spot fill the psychological role of not only giving a man confidence in his masculinity, i.e. sexual dominance, but in proving that dominance to the woman as well. Its simple-minded to judge according to the appearance of something, but hey, in caveman days a large penis probably looked more promising to a woman who wanted to conceive.

But wait a minute. I have enough experience to know that it truly is "the motion of the ocean" that matters. I have only been gratified with one sex partner and I know it has nothing to do with his size. My guess is that it has to do with the fact that he actually cared enough to put the effort into his "motion" to please me.

That said, I don't think we've yet come to fully understand the fickleness of a woman's sexual pleasure or orgasm. Plenty of women these days are not so shallow in their judgement. Any woman in her right mind will not just judge a man by his arm muscles or his penis.

Has anyone begun discussion about why the size of breasts matters so much? Isn't this a much bigger issue, and not just a figment of imagination?

Just feel lucky, guys, that women don't care so much about physical form as ya'll do. Its much deeper than that.

nubian: how about starting a "Does Breast Size Matter"?

might just do that... :D

Has anyone begun discussion about why the size of breasts matters so much? Isn't this a much bigger issue, and not just a figment of imagination?

Just feel lucky, guys, that women don't care so much about physical form as ya'll do. Its much deeper than that.

I do not care about boob size much. Even on a pure physical level a woman can be very sexy with small boobs. On a relationship level it is basically not a point.

In my experience, women are more shallow than men. IMO men have more just hot sex encounters, but when it comes to girlfriend physical is less important.

With the groups I hang out, the women usually have a hot guy. However I often see male friends with girls much less attractive than they are. I rarely see a hot girl with an ugly dude.

Although I am probably wrong. Girls seem to have 0 interest in me, which would definatly add in some bias.

According to the Indian ancient Kama Sutra - size does matter
(part 2 chapter 1):

http://www.bibliomania.com/2/1/76/123/frameset.html

:p

My penis is only average, but check out my balls! Here is a picture of our family reunion:

http://img439.imageshack.us/img439/1674/familyreunionha3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I'm a guy with a big enough penis to need magnum condoms. though I don't use them with my girlfriend cause shes on Birth control and we're clean. On any good day, I can give my girlfriend between 2-5 orgasms in one session. I am fit, and know what I am doing. Not to brag :). My girlfriend says things like "I wouldn't mind you getting even bigger", and "I can swear you have gotten bigger." I think I am getting bigger to tell you the truth because of the sex I have. I always try to make it last because it feels so damn good, and that just means I'm in that end erectile state, (full mojo lol). Anyhow not to go on, but making it last seems to make it bigger. Practice makes perfect. I believe size matters for women, and hey, it gives the man even more confidence.

Bleh..

So very old thread and so very old having yet another guy brag.:rolleyes: