Ganymede
06-01-07, 09:32 PM
The phrase "Verschärfte Vernehmung" is German for "enhanced interrogation". Other translations include "intensified interrogation" or "sharpened interrogation". It's a phrase that appears to have been concocted in 1937, to describe a form of torture that would leave no marks, and hence save the embarrassment pre-war Nazi officials were experiencing as their wounded torture victims ended up in court. The methods, as you can see above, are indistinguishable from those described as "enhanced interrogation techniques" by the president. As you can see from the Gestapo memo, moreover, the Nazis were adamant that their "enhanced interrogation techniques" would be carefully restricted and controlled, monitored by an elite professional staff, of the kind recommended by Charles Krauthammer, and strictly reserved for certain categories of prisoner. At least, that was the original plan.
Before you say it's liberal propaganda, this was realeased by a well known Republican Blogger Andrew Sullivan
View the original documents here. I think I'm going to be sick:(
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/05/verschfte_verne.html
well...if US used Nazi for NASA...why not use Nazi interrogation techniques
Ganymede
06-01-07, 09:54 PM
well...if US used Nazi for NASA...why not use Nazi interrogation techniques
Oh snap!
terryoh
06-02-07, 01:19 AM
well...if US used Nazi for NASA...why not use Nazi interrogation techniques
Yeah, and why not use the Nazi Enabling Act of 1933 as a basis for the Patriot Acts too.
;) :)
Yeah, and why not use the Nazi Enabling Act of 1933 as a basis for the Patriot Acts too.
;) :)
I am not a Nazi. I am explaining actions of a nation.
terryoh
06-02-07, 01:23 AM
I am not a Nazi. I am explaining actions of a nation.
I know you're not a Nazi. I agreed with your initial post actually.
Hitler played a hand in the creation of the Beetle. I love the Beetle. :shrug:
Pandaemoni
06-02-07, 12:06 PM
Before you say it's liberal propaganda, this was realeased by a well known Republican Blogger Andrew Sullivan
View the original documents here. I think I'm going to be sick:(
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/05/verschfte_verne.html
I don't think this is very probative of much of anything. It's just the reverse of an appeal to authority, and therefore a bit of a logical fallacy to assert "A ha! You're doing the same thing as Nazis" and to presume that therefore demonstrates the flaws of enhanced interrogation techniques. Nazis loved their dogs, read their children bedtime stories and used oxygen to survive, that doesn't make pet ownership, engaged parenting and respiration "Nazi techniques."
If you want to argue that enhanced interrogation techniques are bad either as policy or on a moral level, that is perfectly fine, but "it's bad because the Nazis did it" isn't a very strong position without more analysis.
I don't think this is very probative of much of anything. It's just the reverse of an appeal to authority, and therefore a bit of a logical fallacy to assert "A ha! You're doing the same thing as Nazis" and to presume that therefore demonstrates the flaws of enhanced interrogation techniques. Nazis loved their dogs, read their children bedtime stories and used oxygen to survive, that doesn't make pet ownership, engaged parenting and respiration "Nazi techniques."
If you want to argue that enhanced interrogation techniques are bad either as policy or on a moral level, that is perfectly fine, but "it's bad because the Nazis did it" isn't a very strong position without more analysis.
I don't think hugging your dogs used to be a war crime or that any Nazis went to prison for it.
Hitler played a hand in the creation of the Beetle. I love the Beetle. :shrug:
Only in that he commissioned a "peoples' car" from Porsche.
Only in that he commissioned a "peoples' car" from Porsche.
Still played a hand. :)