<img src=http://www.paygency.com/cc_bradburycastle71791.jpg>
In case the above fails to produce an image the following link will take you to a single web page with the image on it.
http://www.paygency.com/cropcircleB.htm

If we assume just for a moment that this crop circle is valid and we get over the nature of it's origins......what it the image tryng to convey?

Is it some sort of symbolism attempting to teach us something about the universe?

To me this particular crop circle formation could symbolise the nature of gravity........
edit: maybe some one can tell me how to insert an image into the thread......(sheesh!!)

What crop circle?
I see a graphic.

:m:

it is a graphic of the crop circle

where is the photo of the actual crop circle?

it is a graphic of the crop circle

You would mean of course a graphic used by those stomping down the crops while claiming aliens caused it. :D

FOCL,, good one MacM

am trying to find the original photo on the web.......I got this one off the web about 3 years ago.....will post it as soon as I find it.......

ok QQ, thanks.

Did you know there is no mention of crop circles in the Encyclopaedia Britannica?


Do I smell a government coverup???

maybe they are left from alien tribal stomping dances and rituals

Maybe they are just some very creative people with a GPS navagation device and a lawn roller.....wanting to stir every one up.....and succeed in doing so......

Althugh I did read somewhere that what puzzles the most aboutr these thimgs is that the stalks of wheat or corn are not broken but are bent with out fracturing...... they say this is how they can tell the difference between the genuine and the fake.......just a thought while I continue to look for the original photograph of the badbury CC shown atthe start of this thread.....

Maybe they are just some very creative people with a GPS navagation device and a lawn roller.....wanting to stir every one up.....and succeed in doing so......

I saw a special on crop circles once where they had a couple of people who confessed to being behind a lot of the crop circles in England in the early 80's or somewhen. They didn't need a gps to do what they did. What they did was place a wire on the brim of a hat with an eyehole on it. Then, they used some piece of scenery in the distance as a guide through the eyehole and with that they were able to make quite complex shapes. They demonstrated their technique for the camera's and it was quite effective.

I don't recall the method for making circles and such, but they were able to do them quite well whatever their techniqe was.

As to pics. You just have to enclose it in [ img][ /img] tags. (No spaces.)

Or use a < img src="web address"> (without the space before img) This technique only works in forums with html turned on. You can use this trick to show attachments rather than linking to them. Like so.

<img src="http://www.sciforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3112&stc=1">

I like to enclose pics in the [ center][ /center] tags just to make it look nice. (Once again, no spaces inside of the brackets.)

I think they are just what they are: pretty shapes.
If aliens wanted to tell something, they could just send data to our sattelite network, or land a ship in NY.

The thing about crop circles that stands out, is that they always have tractor tracks running through them (as for example, the image above) and this is where the creators enter the area they are going to trample down and make the circle, and how they exit.

If I saw one in a large field of natural grass, without some obvious sign on entry or exit, maybe I'd think something more complex than a few guys with some rope and planks created it.

Until then, and having read the same confession by those English guys, I'm convinced it's all a big prank.

I'll give it a go
<img src=http://www.biggles.uk.com/first/cropcircles/Resources/tetraimage1.jpeg>

ahh there we go.....I was looking for Bradbury when in fact it was Barbury 16/6/1991

a little back gound story if you're interested
http://www.thecropcirclewebsite.50megs.com/page18.htm

a little back gound story if you're interested
http://www.thecropcirclewebsite.50megs.com/page18.htm

Just like I said, tractor tracks running clean through it for easy entry.

And surprise surprise, they have a book for sale.

Interestingly crop circles started of with rather simple designs (a circle) and became more complex over time.

A skeptical man would say that people got more experienced in making crop circles.

A believer might say that Aliens are increasingly becoming more chatty. Unfortunately they didn't catch on yet, that we didn't get the meaning of the very first crop circle, a circle.

How to make a complex crop circle:
http://www.amtsgym-sdbg.dk/as/crop/ufofake.HTM
Another link
http://www.strw.leidenuniv.nl/~vdmeulen/deeper/Articles/UFOfake.html#CropCircles

And finally the guide to making crop circles
http://www.circlemakers.org/guide.html

Look at this one:

http://www.circlemakers.org/Img/silbury_hill_04.jpg

Are you so sure the first crop circle was just a circle?

You may want to do some research way back prior to the 1800's. :D

:m:

the first pic seems to convery either 3 planets around a center SUN (our sol) or perhaps one of the outside circles IS the SUN, one is our Earth, and the third (the bottom right one, the squiggly one) represents Planet X. in the latter case, the middle represents all of the gravitational, repulsion, and electromagnetic forces that exist between all three objects.

or perhaps it is just a pretty ornament? //sheesh
noone still has explained what logic they think exist behind those shapes.
and why don't (if they are aliens) they use some other more convenient, faster and reliable method of transfering a message.
or maybe they are just ritual holy alien stomping grounds?
or tracks left behind a fairy fest
or spiritual activity?
anything else?

but no no no, they have to be left by beings of superior intelligence and have some O great message encoded :rolleyes:

I'm sure I've mentioned this previously, I suggested it was possible to use Radiology to create a "Gene-Therapy" method of causing the cause to distort at it's gene level, this causes less risidual electromagnetic background noise and gives the desired effect of the corn bending.

The same sort of equipment/technique I suggest was used with the "Hutchison Effect" and how that distorts/melts metals. (although no authoritive papers have been released on Hutchison's work and skeptics don't necessarily believe his "Poltergeist Laboratory" was capable of such interaction with objects to make the float/distort)

As for hidden messages, Well you could suggest that during the Second World War when people were attempting to crack the "Enigma" code, there was a mass drive for people who could potentially aid in cracking the code. One of the particular tests was a Crossword puzzle from "The Daily Telegraph".
http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/htmlContent.jhtml?html=/archive/1998/12/14/nspy14.html

The reason I mention this is it's likely the Lexicons themselves created in the corn are firstly a mystery to be solved and secondly created to be difficult to decipher potentially for some form of Intelligence drive.

(Okay so I don't know the answer to the "Puzzle" but I do know of a reason why the puzzle would exist. Count for anything?)

ah, as a test to ones intelligence? could be

"Characteristic of the recent hoaxes, all of which have appeared in Witshire county in the UK is their preference for straight, rather than curved, lines, and inclusion of mazes. No legitimate diagrams to date have included a maze, anathema to the intent of the circle makers which seek to educate, not confuse, mankind, yet hoaxes almost prefer them as a maze has straight lines. Hoaxes also tend to be small in size, or in locations distant from public view. Hoaxes lack the characteristics of legitimate circles which are crop bend at the growth nodes, not broken, and crop laid in different directions overlaying each other, and precision in line and curve. What is to be learned from the hoax circles? They take the symbolism of legitimate circles and distort them, not unlike the disinformation distortion given our words. Legitimate circles do not include faces, as in a prior year hoax of the face of a Zeta or Art Bell, not mazes interpreted to be binary or other code. Hoaxes hope to grab public attention by such gimmicks, and when revealed as hoaxes, cast aspersions on all circles. Legitimate circles have a resonance with other legitimate circles, like the cadences of a symphony, all building upon one another. "

spurious that pic u posted is a fake one. i could tell the second i saw it.

"why don't (if they are aliens) they use some other more convenient, faster and reliable method of transfering a message."

you might not believe it but it is the a very fast and reliable way of transmitting a message to us, on the SUBCONSCIOUS LEVEL. the sacred geometry has deep meanings that even the oblivious register in the back of their minds.

"In addition to laying down original hoaxes, the hoaxers employed in Wiltshire county in the UK have been assigned the task of ruining legitimate designs. Where Golden Hill was taken to be manmade, because the hoax team was seen emerging from its location, this is a legitimate circle. The team left because it did not lend itself well to sabotage. Note the Similarity to circles following in Beacon Hill and Westbury. A key indicator of sabotage is change after the creation date. Legitimate circle makers have no reason to delay, and their trademark is to create intricate circle over a broad area almost within seconds. Their design is in the computer, and it takes but the release of a switch to start the sequence, whereas hoaxes take time. An example of a sabotage is Silbury, where the hoaxers hoped to enhance their reputation by claiming this large circle. Here the sabotage resorts to lines and mazes. Contrast this with the belated change to Tan Hill, where the original makers returned after aerial photos had been taken of their intended message to create a contrast to the hoaxers. See the difference?"



yes, in a way it tests intelligence. i would rather say, it inquiresintelligence.

spurious that pic u posted is a fake one. i could tell the second i saw it.


These are all fake you mean?

http://www.circlemakers.org/totc2004.html

amazing.....

The outer circles indicate the nature of the inner circle


The outer three circles on the triangle to me indicate.:

1) Lower left side.........centre of time and mass....absolute nothing
2) top........................Movement especially rotation.
3) lower right side........Gravitational harmonics.

as an abstract it suggests the structure of matter. and the most interesting thing is it's suggestion of harmonics.....( if we take the diagram seriously that is)

Yep thats one of my favourate crop circles this one. Such a beautiful design. It's such a pity so many hoaxers got into the act as it's certainly muddied the waters when it comes to research on this subject. Crop circles have been around for 100's of years though so good ole Doug and Dave weren't responsible for those ones... There have also been a number of crop circles on the sides of snowy mountains plus - all sorts of strange places. I sponsored a few flights in 1994 in the UK so got all the photos for that particular year - unfortunatey it wasn't a great year.. bummer :).

Karen
UFO's The Beginning of New World (http://www.karenlyster.com)

Crop circles have been around for 100's of years

Got any links, pictures, sketches, or supporting evidence for that?

“ Originally Posted by antisipatience

spurious that pic u posted is a fake one. i could tell the second i saw it.
”


These are all fake you mean?

no, not all crop circles are fake. but from that website all of them are. i didnt scope them all out.

read my above post, it explains how u can tell if its genuine, fake, or tampered.

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i think you all should notice WHY aliens decide to make crop circles. observe what has happened to any/all Alien Encounters. when on the personal level, the individual may become terrified, because he is not consciously ready. on a larger scale, the government swallows the entire scenario and spits out a completely twisted version, which contradicts itself so much so as to confuse the populace about the entire thing.

with all this disinformation and lies and cover-ups going on, the aliens resorted to other methods, namely the Crop Circle messages. by utilizing this technique, they convery their message to thousands of people, because the phenomena is 'popular' and photos are taken and shown on TV, newspaper, internet, and more. therefore, it reaches alot of people. its like huge advertising. except most of the message arrives at the subconscious level.

crop circles

stupid things puropsefully made by America/Freemasons in order to scare people and install questions, doubts, fears etc. in their minds, in other words BULLSHIT :p

If any would actually do some thinking on the idea there are many things that can be discerned from what is known about them.
1. Obviously it is a form of communication.
2. Obviously they are for observation from above.
3. Obviously they are being faked by some for some reason.
4. Obviously they are intended to be cryptic

Thank you QQ, I doubt it is cryptogryphicly encoded as I think it is much more simpler than that. Maybe more like a Corporate or Family logo?

and 4) Obviously they are intended to be cryptic

What if crop circles are created because little alien kids were forced to eat their vegetables, so whenever they can they like to go to other planets and stomp the hell out of corn fields and wheat fields. The designs are just a by product of repressed alien rage. I mean I never saw a crop circle in a cotton field, have you? ;)

crop circles are not messages for us. they are meant as reference points for certain ships.

crop circles are not messages for us. they are meant as reference points for certain ships.

Really? The hoaxsters who created the crop circles made no such claim.

actually, the hoaxtsters aren't capable of creating even a fraction of the circles they laid claim to.

Stryderunknown, how do you explain the absence of footprints and general signs of humans creating them? (other than the hoaxes) Also researchers claim that most crop circles are created in seconds. There was one crop circle that was created in the middle of the friggin' day around the area of Stonehenge. In fact, from where it happened, it was clearly visible. One minute, nothing was there, and the next, there was a crop circle right there for everyone to see. Tell me how the hell that happens.

The problem is nobody can. The press and the public in the UK area kept demanding answers from the government and they just couldn't come up with an answer that didn't sound like complete bullshit. So one night when they knew that researchers were camped out in hopes to find one in the making, they hoaxed one and left rope at the site to get the press off their asses.

actually, the hoaxtsters aren't capable of creating even a fraction of the circles they laid claim to.

Why not?

As I mentioned previous "Radiology". The use of radio frequency can alter the electromagnetic field of atoms/molecules, this causes a weird effect which has been notibly coined "The Hutchison Effect" by a freelance physicist that was interested in generating cheap power through radio frequency, however his experiments had "weird side effects".

As you should note, Radiology means the usage of Radio transmittion equipment from either or both ground arrays and satellites. The "Matricing" of the wavelengths must of course be computed which I gather would mean computing with systems located at each node in a network, which would allow something like a computer CAD package (The sort for drawing Mechanical designs) to control how the "Matricing" would effect a corn field.

This is where I mentioned "Gene-Therapy", which uses radiology to manipulate the very gene structures of DNA. It's been attempted by the medical profession within hospitals on guineapig patients and the results have been far from good.

[I did wonder if the plan was to create a mass clandestine Gene-therapy system the country over to try and defeat Cancers from smoking, obesity perhaps even germ warfare but all without the public knowledge, which could potentially place the public at risk since it means there is no publicised VETING of staff that run the equipment (They could have Murder, Rapist or Paedophile tendancies) and any deaths would be treated because of the secrecy as "Natural causes"].

If you had the capacity to Matrice radiology and your intension was to interact with genetic code at potentially string level (small than atomics), then Corn would be the first starting point since it's not a live test subject that could scream from pain or die from being operated on wrongly. This is why I suggest it's also proof that mind control equipment exists in how the corn genes are interacted at this microscopic level since to interface with the human brain at a communication level it would require the same capabilities.

Crop circles are made by humans as pranks.

There are even instructions on how to do it and not get caught.

There are even documentaries on it. A bunch of MIT students were on the Discovery channel, making crop circles.

Oh well. At least this isn't in the Astronomy subforum. :rolleyes:

Stryder,
As a matter of interests, about 4 years ago I participated in a research project as a control paticipant called TMR, which was to do with trans - "brain" ( can't remember the exact terms) magnetic resonance research. You may have heard of it?

it involved the use of specific magnetic radiations directed at the brain with the view to treating mental conditions such as schizophrenia and depressions.

Your post prompted me to call the research facility to confirm that it still is ongoing. being Sunday here no one was there except to say that it was called TMR and that they are currently using this method as an alternative treatment for depression (alternative to ECT and other radical or severe treatments)

They have found that certain efects occur with the use of certain magnetic fields.
In my experience they were able to trigger and generate hand reflexes and the like. But this was 4 years ago and their research has progressed markedly since then.

So the sci fiction of body and mind control by use of EM is not that far away from becoming a reality.

it may be that in the future if the Government wants to subdue a population in general it only needs to play the right EM and control of the population is possible.......

As we already know the internet is all about hyper text information transfer using coded electricity.
how long before the ability to transmit Hyper text intructions directly to the targets brain becomes a reality using coded EM?

This is starting to annoy me. Naomi, and other people who believe that all crop circles are hoaxes. Pick up a book about crop circles!

If you seriously spent 10-15 minutes researching them you'd find yourselves with different opinions. It's annoying when people who barely know anything about the topic come in and act like there's nothing to to.

Stryderunknown: I did read about how you suggested using radiology to created the anomolous cellular signatures found in the plants of true crop circles. But it still doesn't explain the heat. The stalks of the plants split due to water vapor escaping.

But first, let me make sure I understand you. You think they're created by radiowaves transmitted by ground arrays and satellites? Considering how thick and hard to knock over (especially in Canada) some of these stalks are, I'm guessing it would take a shitload of energy to do this, assuming this technology exists, which frankly seems a bit improbable.

it's more probable than aliens having nothing better to do and making pretty shapes in crop fields

The one thing that was shown in the documentation of the "Hutchison effect" was that "Metals appeared to have melted and distorted, while suffering relatively little heat discharge".

Radiowaves as I mention interact with the Electromagnetic field of the atomic or molecular structure, this means any reshaping of the of the electromangetic field, results in the alteraction of molecular shape. (Namely it can cause compression) As you should be aware it can cause thermal dynamic reactions from friction of applied surfaces or compressed structures.

As for the amount of energy you suggest, simply put if you are using 20 or 30 antenna arrays, each system would used relatively little energy, it's only when you multiply them all together do you get the full amount of energy used.
(Although I don't think Hutchison used that much, since it wasn't like he had his own nuclear powerplant to supply his apparatus)

[ http://www.americanantigravity.com/hutchison.html contains link to Hutchison's actual site ]

Maybe Avatar, you should start a thread about the art factor of crop circles in the Art forum where I am sure your post would have much more meaning and possibly some added value?

So far we have these knowns.
1. Obviously it is a form of communication.
2. Obviously they are for observation from above.
3. Obviously they are being faked by some for some reason.
4. Obviously they are intended to be cryptic

What else do we know for sure about them?

if we assume their validity just for a moment, to me it would appear that a rather adept use of gravity has been enployed. Possibly using the Earths own gravity to pull the stalks down aligned as they are. Possibly in conjunction with the use of some em to facilitate flexibility, and design.

If they are of alien origin then they would have mastered gravity and space time rather well I would suspect.(just by their mere presence here) And manipulating the space that the crop takes up would be quite simple.

If they are man-made then it would be reasonable to suggest that it is not of technology that we commonly know of.

If they were man made by hoaxes then I think this would be blatantly obvious to all and sundry. But doubt still exists as there are some questions about some crop circles that are not able to be answered simply by claiming hoax.

Obviously they are being faked by some for some reason.

Yes, but not obvious to you.

So what was the first crop circle?

Gogoel seems to prefer one in 1966 made by a ufo. A landing site. Circular.

But apparently now they are communications signals suddenly

"Radiowaves as I mention interact with the Electromagnetic field of the atomic or molecular structure, this means any reshaping of the of the electromangetic field, results in the alteraction of molecular shape. (Namely it can cause compression) As you should be aware it can cause thermal dynamic reactions from friction of applied surfaces or compressed structures."

I seem to recall that much metal has been melted over the past 40 years in furnaces that work by passing high power Em through the metal to be melted. Of course, this take lots of energy, and since the inverse square law applies, can only be done at close range.

Guthrie,
It is true that in the Inverse Square Law aplplies, however you should note that depending on the length of the wavelength defines how much distance an array can be from the matriced objective. Also the Law doesn't mean that wavelengths disappear from the universe, if the signals were generated using an array then it would be possible to increase the distance at which the Inverse Square Law is applied (I think this is the reason why some of the SETI antenna's were placed a distant apart from one another to increase their field of view/listening).

As for the Energy intake, as I mentioned previously multiple small systems can get away with outputting energy that is "Within the safety limit", and combining their output at an object can create a measurably high amount of energy.

This is starting to annoy me. Naomi, and other people who believe that all crop circles are hoaxes. Pick up a book about crop circles!

If you seriously spent 10-15 minutes researching them you'd find yourselves with different opinions. It's annoying when people who barely know anything about the topic come in and act like there's nothing to to.

This is starting to annoy me. apendrapew, and otherpeople who believe that this shit exists. Go brush up on your science!

If you seriously spent 10-15 minutes studying, you'd find yourselves with different opinions. It's annoying when people who barely know anything about science come in and barge in with their fake ideas that they attempt to disguise as "science". Creationists, "intelligent design" advocates ... :rolleyes:

Oh wait, whoops. I'm wasting my breath. There are still people who believe the Earth is flat, that we really didn't get to the moon, that the moon is hollow and filled with aliens waiting to take over the world ...

I guess some people are just too far gone to be rescued? :D

i don't know but if a civilazation is so advanced as to fly to earth... i don't think they are making any crop circles to navagate... unless there some magic element... or it's the aliens relgon =_

I guess some people are just too far gone to be rescued? :D

Well, yeah, but we can try to rescue people nonetheless. It's worth trying. Most folks who believe this stuff are academic underachievers, and perhaps it gives them a sense of worth if they are well versed in a subject, even if the subject is absolute nonsense. There's only one way they're going to realise what crap they believe, and that's through science.

What about the Samaipata, Bolivia lines as one of the first crop circles created? If these giant carvings are the first crop circles then it would have taken alot more ingenuity to work with rock then working with wheat. Could it be that these et's here are not as technological suave as they once were?
:D

Samaipata, Bolivia lines:
http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Samaipata.html
:D

What about the Samaipata, Bolivia lines as one of the first crop circles created?

So lines are akin to circles in your head are they? Please explain!

Phloger, don't you know circles has lines
http://www.biggles.uk.com/first/cropcircles/Resources/tetraimage1.jpeg
:D

why do you think that it is some kind of encrypted message?
maybe they're (whoever they are) just having the annual interstellar modern art show on this planet.

Phloger, don't you know circles has lines


Riiiight, .... so what have those lines cut into rock, to do with a 'crop circle' that happens to have a few straight lines in it?

holy shit! there are lines on my palms.. tmust be teh alienz

maybe as suggested in another thread those palms of yours are genetically modified by said aliens....you hybrid you!!!!

maybe as suggested in another thread those palms of yours are genetically modified by said aliens
hahaa! now I'll make shitloads of money by selling my gene material to research labs/muhahahaa, suckers! :D

Now now kiddies. :rolleyes:

I like this one too :D Been following its advice for a long time
http://www.arrfab.net/wallpapers/Cropcircle-Tux_1600x1200.jpg

ha ...the carpet looks good

I like this one too :D Been following its advice for a long time
http://www.arrfab.net/wallpapers/Cropcircle-Tux_1600x1200.jpg

The lines are a bit skew though on that circle, not all that well done at all, looks very human ; )

I'd like to see somebody produce a crop circle with many circles in between many of those tram lines, a lot more than a jump away, as if the thing that created it had to be flying in order to not bend accessway crop.

also not use shaving cream.........

Actually a revamped thought of what a Crop Circle depicts is "AN INK BLOT".

Can I have some of what Quantum Quack is on...

yeah sure...you wasquerly wabbit......

Stryder, are you oddly suggesting that the creator of crop circles is attempting a psychological projective test to examine the psyche or subconscious mind…LOL
:D

You've nailed it FieryIce, got to the head of the class. However I will not suggest its an alien "Ink blot" however when you see something alien how do you react?

Afterall everyone draws their own conclusion as to "The Truth" but without facts to go on, its all speculation. However some generate whole elaborate theories to a point that Pyschiatrists would love to use a form of "homopathy" to implace the event that triggers there thought and then watch how peoples thoughts progress from there.

(Bit Eugenic if you ask me)

Stryder, I think you have a valid point regards stimuli vs reaction obsevation.

The thing is we can't quantify these CC's fully, except to say that they exist and that we call them what we call them.

Regardless of all the speculation and unknown factors we can not lay claim to a knowledge that is founded.

It is possibly a hoax, this being most probable.
It is possible that it be ET constructed but this is improbable.

It is as Stryder suggest possible that it may be a way of preparing people for a possible alien encounter....but not probable.

It is impossible for it to be constructed by natural means.

Even if you found evidence that suggested a lawn mower that would not exclude the possibility that an alien with a lawn mower did the job.

However I would say this to be improbable, but certainly I can not say it to be impossible for this would be a flaw in reasoning.

If we think that something is probable then we have to justify that probability some how.