Hello.

I've made 14-15 posts and have been called a dreamer, naive, stupid, fucking clueless and isolated....as such, I'm doing this post, I'm not really looking for debate on it as it seems fairly self-explanatory, but I will direct those who either abuse me or defy logical fallacies to this thread for consideration.


Critical thinking is what all truthseekers undertake, and its process is simple enough if not time consuming: "A scientific or rationally valid statement is one where the power of reason has been applied to all available data without any of them being suppressed or falsified for the sake of a desired result...E Fromm"

The notion of absolute is actually a theistic premiss, and specifically a premiss supporting Authoritarian Ethics/doctrines, whereby critical examination is ruled out in the premiss as it's declared Absolute.

So as far as scientific or rational thinking goes, whilst there may not be any absolute statements, there are objectively valid laws and principles.
And inherent in its definition, optimal truths are prone to ongoing improvements and rejections if found to be lacking,.... a trial and error process is an option as far as rational/scientific truths are concerned, but this is forbidden once we adopt absolutist mentalities including those that are of an Authoritarian type.

For example, if I were to start a topic on Iraq2 and offered data and commentry from an Arabic source, it would be inappropriate to rule out the info because of it's source, but entirely reasonable to dismiss it based on a critical evaluation of the data and logic derived from it.
So asserting it's just Arabic propaganda is the sign of a failure to think critically.


Online Logical Fallacies (http://www.abc.net/cgi-bin/dir/frames.cgi?url=http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/welcome.htm)

Rational debate.

As I mentioned to a fool elsewhere, this is a science forum, and it would be appreciated if people understood that hurling ad hominen's or being illogical are not worthy of this type of forum.
Presenting your argument in a precise way in a civil manner is.

When you reply to a bunch of people (some of whom have dedicated years of their lives to studying martial arts) by saying:
Originally posted by David Mayes
I think most people in this thread are talking shit.
and
Originally posted by David Mayes
UFC, undisputed PROOF that most martial arts are for pansies.

and follow it up by all but saying that the only authority you base this on is watching fighting tournaments (more specifically, tournaments that are considered, by many serious martial artists to be nothing more than a bunch of thugs beating each other's heads in) on TV (and you accuse others of being illogical).
And saying:
Originally posted by David Mayes
Btw, I've developed by own basic streetfighting sytle modelled on what I learnt from UFC.
As if it is some accomplishment that makes you worthy of these lofty statements...

What do you expect to get in return?

You fire off ad hominems and expect respect in return?
1.) You are a hypocrite.
2.) You talk a lot of shit about something you seem to know very little about and don't back it up.
3.) You come off as a cocky pompous punk.
4.) Fuck off.

The thread I am referencing (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=495086#post494633)

When you reply to a bunch of people (some of whom have dedicated years of their lives to studying martial arts)

Irelevant, as I'll now explain to you.


and follow it up by all but saying that the only authority you base this on is watching fighting tournaments (more specifically, tournaments that are considered, by many serious martial artists to be nothing more than a bunch of thugs beating each other's heads in) on TV.

And as I explained in the other thread, the people who were invited where often WORLD CHAMPIONS, these WC were defeated by superior UFC styles{specifically grappling/wrestling+some boxing skills}

So it doesn't matter how much time and energy you've invested, the FACT is that WORLD CHAMPIONS were defeated by those who "typically" utilized a certain style...I'll dub this UFC style.

So YOUR opinion or the opinion of unqualified martial artists with emotional or financial investments is exposed for all to see in UFC, as those who fought in the UFC were often WORLD CHAMPIONS...do you get it, YOUR representatives{the WC}, had there chance to prove that their style was best...but what emerged was that a hybrid style{UFC style} was superior overall, that's undisputed and is ON TAPE for everyones examination.

In fact you don't even have to know the first thing about martial arts to realize that UFC proved that the UFC style was the most effective.

Now I've done my share of training, but you're way too immature to bother sharing with, I share with those who are rational/civil and capable of critical thought.....you've proved that you'll defy evidence to support your prejudices.

I'm tired of dealing with your ignorance. Go fuck yourself. (hopefully that will shut you up once and for all you fucking dumbshit).

I'm not going to stoop to unnecessary ad hominems but I have to say it again Mr. David Mayes: you are fucking clueless.

I hope your not as stupid as you sound. Do you think Martial Arts are designed for tournaments with refs and rules?

All I can say is your fucking clueless.

oz

Ozmonsters Ghetto talk (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=495126#post495126)

Here's an example of how someone can spew out profanities and expect to be taken seriously...I give you Ozmonsters resume of civility...LOL.

And here is the almighty David Mayes's resume of civility:

But I think most people in this thread are talking shit.

Idiot.

well my juvenile friend

proven low-life

Oh is that a fact Idiot

Now be a good little boy

You wouldn't have to do much more to convince me you're a sociopath.

Hmmm, another irate pansy?

I'm convinced you're an idiot.

Ozbunny


good show. I like the way you lead by example.

oz

Not much in the way of profanity or ghetto talk is there, not compared to your "outbursts.
It's commonly accepted that ghetto talk is not part of civil debate and is hardly inspiring in a science forum is it!

Not much profanity but just as insulting none-the-less. It, just as profanity, does nothing to encourage rationale debate, does it?

oz

One MAJOR difference is that I didn't directly attack people, and also didn't use Ghetto talk.
As far as I'm concerned "our" business is completed.

Critical thinking is what all truthseekers undertake, and its process is simple enough if not time consuming: "A scientific or rationally valid statement is one where the power of reason has been applied to all available data without any of them being suppressed or falsified for the sake of a desired result...E Fromm"

The one thing that so often gets left out when talking about rationality as is the case in this threads starting post is the need to minimise if not all together remove emotional based statements that denigrate or dimminish the other parties or observers of the discussion.

Rational debate or discussion can only be held if emotional, self esteem issues are removed.

Any and I mean any reference to the stature of other parties will ensure that the discussion will become in the end meaningless towards the pursuit that it is directed at.

Words such as Fool, stupid, idiot etc will only diminish the quality of the discussion or debate and in most cases as so often see at any forum the discussion ultimately fails.

Any hint of ridicule will inspire a response and close the door on rationality.

It's a bit like asking who threw the first punch and well the rest is history.

It is a sad inditement on human relations that this activity is so prevalent. Verbal ridicule leads to verbal violence and well....what can I say.......:)

Words such as Fool, stupid, idiot etc will only diminish the quality of the discussion or debate and in most cases as so often see at any forum the discussion ultimately fails.

I agree that the debate will fail, ie, it's unlikely to progress in a productive manner.

Any hint of ridicule will inspire a response and close the door on rationality.

When someone uses ghetto talk, or is consistently rude, THEY prove that they're irrational, especially if their target has been reasonable, as the psychological motivation for the language must have been their own prejudices challenged, and by definition, a prejudice is a set of deeply embedded irrational beliefs.

It also seems fitting that if someone has a set of irrational beliefs that they will respond in a irrational manner, as the alternative would have been the response of a mature individual.

Btw, I never assume people can't improve themselves, although wittnessing it on net would probably be rare{unsure}

PS, these latest comments shouldn't necessarily be seen as an addition to the Martial Arts thread.

well said,

If one want to retain rationality then the temptation to respond to irrationality in kind needs to be rejected.

So often irrationality will breed irrationality. It is only when one takes a deap breath and rejects the temptation to repond with kind can the person retain his rationality.

In martial arts is this not one aspect of the discipline, to maintain focus in the face of abject distraction and parry.

The weak oponent will always try to tempt his superior oponent into irrational action. The bastion of irrationality being his last resort to achieve success.

The same applies in so many ways to irrational statements on forums such as these and out there in the real world.

Saddam Hussien for example used this technique and the USA responded as rationally as it could but as to the degree of rationality it used could be debated.

Rationality does not come easy, it takes effort and to maintain rationality is even harder if one is tempted to lower one self to fight a battle that simply isn't worth fighting.

Why?
Because it can never be won.

Rationality does not come easy, it takes effort and to maintain rationality is even harder if one is tempted to lower one self to fight a battle that simply isn't worth fighting.

Yes, you're unlikley to win a profanity contest without using the biggest and baddest words, LOL.

What I try and draw people's attention to is this, if you assume someone has made a mistake or is flaming, it's no skin off your nose to politely request clarification over a couple of posts, if he refuses or acts blatantly, then you could justifiably give them a ear full for your own satisfaction, but exposing the errors{logical or factual} can work just as well and you have behaved in a civil manner.

After reading your posts i have seen that you are simply misunderstanding something. You want respect yet your unwilling to give any. Each time someone criticizes you, you shoot right off rather than answering things in a calm, coherent manner. Don't begin cursing or telling other that they are stupid, or "talking shit" and people won't give you that same responce. Also your sarcastic responces and statements do not help the matter as well.

P.S Please stop asking other to act in a civil manner if you cannot do so yourself, and yes you haven't been acting in a civil manner, whether you think it's needed or not.

P.S Please stop asking other to act in a civil manner if you cannot do so yourself, and yes you haven't been acting in a civil manner, whether you think it's needed or not.

Are you the same guy who is going to continue with upper body weight training despite having a shoulder injury?

Btw, I never mentioned anyone directly+ I actually had facts and logic at my disposal.

My record here is that of a resaonable person who doesn't tolerate nonsense.

Originally posted by David Mayes
Are you the same guy who is going to continue with upper body weight training despite having a shoulder injury?


There we go again. I don't understand how you can expect respect from other with remarks such as this.

Btw, I never mentioned anyone directly+ I actually had facts and logic at my disposal.

while you may be right, you still cannot expect people to take you seriously if you going to using profanity and sarcasm in your response. You don't seem to like to be critized so why do you do this to others?

My record here is that of a resaonable person who doesn't tolerate nonsense.

Unfortunetly your not going to get anywhere with this policy. these forums of full of nonsense and unless you tolerate them and give calm responces your going no where.

while you may be right, you still cannot expect people to take you seriously if you going to using profanity and sarcasm in your response. You don't seem to like to be critized so why do you do this to others?

Can you show me an example where I used either profanity or sarcasm without provocation?

Just one instance will do, should help with your own credibility to.

Goodluck!!

quote:
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Originally posted by David Mayes
I think most people in this thread are talking shit.
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Done.

Whether or not they were talking shit there was no need to use that language. no one persuaded you into saying that even if their ignorance made you "angry".

But I didn't directly attack any specific person+ I had powerful logic at my disposal...he he, you're obviously one of UFC's critics, badluck, the truth is on tape champ, time to dump your mediocre style and get modern.

Originally posted by David Mayes
But I didn't directly attack any specific person+ I had powerful logic at my disposal...

You may not have done it to a specific person but you did it to the topic in general effecting every person who was involved in the topic. While you didn't specify who it was you were talking about every person took it as an offense.


P.S - I don't watch world champion fighting. After finding out wrestling was bull, I realized watching people fight is just stupid. Sports, like football, are a hell of alot better.

In other words, i can care less about the UFC style, or any other fighting style.

Can't understand the nature of your complaint, get back to me when you've understood it yourself!

Well if you don't understand it then too bad. Reread it, think about it then, if you have a shed of intelligence in you, you would figure it out. An 8 year old can figure out what i said, why can't you?

Originally posted by Votorx
Well if you don't understand it then too bad. Reread it, think about it then, if you have a shed of intelligence in you, you would figure it out. An 8 year old can figure out what i said, why can't you?

Vortex you muscled up thug, go hug a teddy bear.

I c, ok I'll leave you to your thoughts.

Originally posted by Votorx
I c, ok I'll leave you to your thoughts.

Would you mind deleting your posts?

Originally posted by David Mayes
Hello.

I've made 14-15 posts and have been called a dreamer, naive, stupid, fucking clueless and isolated....
Hmm. I wonder what Sherlock Holmes would make of that.

Critical thinking is what all truthseekers undertake, and its process is simple enough if not time consuming: "A scientific or rationally valid statement is one where the power of reason has been applied to all available data without any of them being suppressed or falsified for the sake of a desired result...E Fromm"
That isn't true. There are plenty of rational statements that are not scientific statements.

The notion of absolute is actually a theistic premiss, and specifically a premiss supporting Authoritarian Ethics/doctrines, whereby critical examination is ruled out in the premiss as it's declared Absolute.
Nonsense. The notion of an absolute is not even necessarily theistic.

So as far as scientific or rational thinking goes, whilst there may not be any absolute statements, there are objectively valid laws and principles.
You mean there are contingent truths, given a set of assumptions.

And inherent in its definition, optimal truths are prone to ongoing improvements and rejections if found to be lacking,.
Optimal truths are optimal. If they can be inproved or rejected they are not optimal truths.

... a trial and error process is an option as far as rational/scientific truths are concerned, but this is forbidden once we adopt absolutist mentalities including those that are of an Authoritarian type.
Nonsense.

For example, if I were to start a topic on Iraq2 and offered data and commentry from an Arabic source, it would be inappropriate to rule out the info because of it's source, but entirely reasonable to dismiss it based on a critical evaluation of the data and logic derived from it.
Very true.

So asserting it's just Arabic propaganda is the sign of a failure to think critically.
Either that or evidence of an ability to spot propaganda.

As I mentioned to a fool elsewhere, this is a science forum, and it would be appreciated if people understood that hurling ad hominen's or being illogical are not worthy of this type of forum.
Presenting your argument in a precise way in a civil manner is. [/B]
Nice of you to mention it again for the rest of us fools.

That isn't true. There are plenty of rational statements that are not scientific statements.

"A scientific or rationally valid statement"

So which part of this did you fail to comprehend?

Nonsense. The notion of an absolute is not even necessarily theistic.

Really, well it is within the context of my post...but you were more interested in trying to sound powerful and authorative, well, unfortunately you've failed.


You mean there are contingent truths, given a set of assumptions.

This is the comment of an immature person.
I suspect I've upset you somewhere dear, please forgive me...LOL


Optimal truths are optimal. If they can be inproved or rejected they are not optimal truths.

Optimal means best, and because scientific knowledge is paradigm specific, we consider those theories that best explain and predict as optimal, but we shouldn't consider them as absolute because they may be overturned or expanded by a new paradigm.

Now are you really going to tell me you didn't know that....how embarrassing darling, LOL.



Nonsense

Your post has been full of nonsense sweetie.

So, what prompted your pathetic post?

Hmm. The problem is greater than I thought.

Originally posted by Canute
Hmm. The problem is greater than I thought.

Why don't you go back and delete your hysterical post!

Originally posted by Canute
Hmm. The problem is greater than I thought.

Canute let him be he's just another ranting hysterical idiotic hypocrite who believes the whole world is against him.

Originally posted by Votorx
Canute let him be he's just another ranting hysterical idiotic hypocrite who believes the whole world is against him.

LOL, vortex you sound both deeply offended and retarded.

Hi, David! I see people has been rough on you in this thread too. Why do you think everybody is wrong and against you? Did you know that's called PARANOIA? For what I have seen in other various threads, you are fighting against the entire World.

I have seldom see anyone agreeing with you on anything. So, why do you keep posting at sciforums? Are you looking for fame and recognition; people to admire your bright and accurate reasonings? Or your is just a quest for putting down everyone that crosses your path and therefore make you feel superior?

My father told me many years ago: <b>"Tell me what are you bragging about, and I will tell you what you are lacking".</B>

See you at the foolish global warming thread. I miss your utter absurdities.

The reason I'm against everything{generally} is that the entire PARADIGM is flawed, so it follows that I'll be constantly disagreeing.

Now for your eyes and your eyes only Edufer....

I'm the greatest mind in the HISTORY OF TRUTH, I'm here to tell YOU and others exactly what to think, I'm not here to be reasonable with a bunch of people with the mental age of 7.

"Give my a child till he is 7 and I'll give you a man"......LOL, this is what we've got here, bucket loads of 7 yr olds masquerading as informed adults.

Now Edufer because your so ancient, I'll credit you as being 14 mentally, unfortunately that's still immature....GROW UP AND OBEY MY TRUTHS.

Anyone who doubts me is virtually doubting the WORD OF GOD!

Hmm..delusions of grandeur, too.

David Mayes:

Where can I start?

First of all many of your remarks are immature, you can't state that everyone is immature and then be so yourself. You won't be taken seriously, and even if you are correct (which you aren't in the above post) they will think you are wrong just because of the sound of it.

Of course the entire PARADIGM is flawed, if it wasn't then there would be no discussions, cause everyone would agree on the same thing. The world isn't perfect, one person can be above the average of the entire world.

But needless to say (after overlooking this thread) you have a long way to go, but don't worry, I and everyone else have a long way to go too, you just have to solve your particular problem. If you want to do that, then you must learn to accept that you may be wrong, and understand that others may have a point. Don't believe that people don't have their reasons. Every little decision comes with a reason, we aren't robots, we think things through, we try to find the truth, we reason within ourselves and with others to find what the truth may be etc. Don't think that you are the only one (though you are the only one in your world, but hey, we are that in our world too...).

You don't say that you are smart, you become smart. Others will see it if you truly are.

Don't take things too seriously when something is against you and take things more seriously when something is supporting what seems to be the truth - "the truth" - not your opinion.

Stop judging others as fools and you won't be judged as a fool yourself.

What else can I say, well I don't watch wrestling, I hardly watch sports in any way, if it's not Sweden (my homecountry) against another country.

If I got you wrong then I apologize, but from what I saw in this thread I doubt that I can do anything to make it worse.

Cyperium, I have been reading the last few posts with only a little interest I find it I suppose a little amusing to read some one doing this "I am God routine". It's only a way for some one who is bored to find a little joy in the suffering of others who dare to take him seriously.
I know he is not what he claims, I know he is a faud, I also know that his fun is almost over, for in a few miserable years his Godhood will be proved as false for he will die just like every one else.........except for me of course,......because I am God and not he........ :D

Now Edufer because your so ancient, I'll credit you as being 14 mentally, unfortunately that's still immature....GROW UP AND OBEY MY TRUTHS.

Anyone who doubts me is virtually doubting the WORD OF GOD!That explaines everything about your life. You should start all your posts with the warning: "I am GOD, so behave and don't argue with me".

I used to think that your problem (childishness) would get cured with time. Now I see it has no cure.

Tell us, Davey: how do you manage to escape the men in white? You are long due to be committed to the nuthouse.

Now, seriously: you were joking, don't you? Naughty, naughty boy.

David sez:

The reason I'm against everything{generally} is that the entire PARADIGM is flawed, so it follows that I'll be constantly disagreeing.

Anyone who doubts me is virtually doubting the WORD OF GOD!

You are your own flawed paradigm.

David, by now you'd think there was a serious flaw in your attitude and views about things. Maybe you should stop looking at other people's "stupidity" and start looking at your own.

Nutjobs, my knowledge is GODLIKE, I've proven to myself that I'm one of the greatest minds in the HISTORY OF TRUTH.

Now, I'd appreciate it if you'd all go back and delete the turds you've dropped in this thread.

I'm a servant of TRUTH, and its empowering, there's no master slave relationship with the TRUTH.

Nutjobs, my knowledge is GODLIKE, I've proven to myself that I'm one of the greatest minds in the HISTORY OF TRUTH.

convince me and consider your work done here on earth. you have been liberated and must take your rightful place in the cosmos. are you up to to this final task?

I've proven to myself that I'm one of the greatest minds in the HISTORY OF TRUTH.

Yes, you certainly are a legend in your own mind.

David, just a quick point: Logic and Truth (from your link)

Logic has nothing to do with the truth.

Wraith

We can use Logic to attain truth, just as you used language{constructed using logical rules} to make your assertion.

I don't like to spoil your illusion , but the world is not that simple.

Nutjobs, my knowledge is GODLIKE, I've proven to myself that I'm one of the greatest minds in the HISTORY OF TRUTH.
I'm a servant of TRUTH, and its empowering, there's no master slave relationship with the TRUTH.Your knowledge does not seem to be much. You even don’t know how to make <b>bold</b> and put <b><font color=red>colored <font color=blue>fonts</font></font></b> to your posts and must resort to capital letters for emphasizing your meanings. So tell <b>GOD</b> to give you some more knowledge.

I know your are pulling our leg here, or at least, you are trying to do it. But as usual, you are not good at it, as you are not good at anything. Remember your assertion (in the global warming thread) that you had an <b><font color=red>UNDISPUTED</font></b> (your capital letters, my coloring) called <b>GHG</b> that says the world is warming catastrophically?

Please tell that to people in Northeast USA and Canada, and people in Europe; tell that to those more than 4000 that froze to death in England, or those 72 poor people dead in Mexico, in an <b>almost tropical country!</b>

Your knowledge is nil. <b>You have given enough proof of that.</b>

David, just a quick point: Logic and Truth (from your link)

Logic has nothing to do with the truth.
Maybe in your head but in my world logic is a set of rules that determines truth.

What is truth?

What is truth?
It's what I say it is.
Man creator of 'truth' and as so a creator of his own destiny.
Levels of truth.
Lower and higher.
lower leads to enslavment and nihilism.
higher leads to freedom and construction.

Wanderer:
That's what Pilate thought too. His question to Jesus:
“Quid est veritas?” - (What is truth?)
The answer, in the form of an anagram:
“Est vir qui adest” - (It is the man who is here)
Was a common Roman anagram, the person in control defined the truth.

If you, or me, or Pilate, defines truth, then isn't the notion of 'truth' rather useless? You see nihilism negatively, but your definition the ultimate in nihilism?

I always pictured Pilate laughing as he said that, with his hand over his face. Poor guy.

Anyway, watch out for David Mayes beeyatchez, or he'll trash you out with his GODGIVEN SHOOTWRESTLIN' STYLINZ cuz UFC RULZ!!!

"Inasmuch as the truth is anything, it is not some kind of frickin' submission hold."
- Me

P.S. If anyone originally thought that this thread was really about rational debate, you have probably been disabused of that notion by this point.

Edufer

See how smart I am, I increased the size of your name and coloured it, just like a 4 yr old would.

Ladies and Gentleman, Edufer is the most outstanding crank this board has ever seen{although some of you are too ignorant to know either way, eg JamesR}

GHG theory is UNDISPUTED, similarly, EDUFERS crank status is also UNDISPUTED :D :p ;)

"I don't like to spoil your illusion , but the world is not that simple."

CANUTE....A GAY SOUNDING NAME

Reality is reality, it has no contradictions, it's only our interpretations that can be lacking or in error, such as your judgement that making love to men is normal, LOL

BTW, quasi-intellectuals and first rate NUTJOBS, truth is about Reality, and we use logic to acquire knowledge about it, the more effectively we describe/understand reality, the more truth we have.

Now each individual can ascribe to whatever TRUTHS they want, but ideally, whatever is announced for public consumption should have objective qualities and conform to reason.

Hey, this is warming up. There's nothing a nutcase to keep a conversation going, they're like a lightbulb to a bunch of moths. In Yorkshire we say 'there's nowt stranger than folk'.

David, dear boy, any chance of your phone number? I think we could make beautiful music together. Shall I send a pic?

If you think logic can tell you anything much about reality you really need to do some mathematics rather urgently.

Gaynute, you can't have my phone no, nor do I want any gay photos of you and Edufer in compromising positions :o

Reality=the external world nutjob, I use logic to ascertain truth about reality, and as long as I conform to reason, I have knowledge.

It's kind of funny you know. Why I sit here reading this dribble and attempt to enter into a communication just for the heck of it. The above posts by one godlike truth seeking meglomaniac David Mayes and the bait being taken by all including myself.....but again I wonder, what is the truth coming to when it is soiled by logic and reasoning that belongs to an intitution that was once called Bedlam. But who am I to say that this is the truth or the coming of truth. You know the truth is that during the second world war when I was talking to Adolf I was wondering the same question, What is the truth beyond those white painted doors with little windows in them. The man outside said he was the truth But I still wonder. Maybe David Mayes can enlighten me and others who love to sit and dribble on to their shirts as they wait for their midday meals that arrive on wheeled trolleys in hushed tones. With little tablets of multi coloured textures that offer the truth of peace as we slowly drift into a catatonic ..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Descartes also had to appeal to the complicity of God to be able to prove that anything existed. It's been a century or two Dave... can you prove the existence of the world without God's help?

Open your eyes BBH

Don't be a fool.

Chump...we know existence via our perceptions of it....and also that consciousness is contingent upon existence.

The truth is not something you can put in your pocket. Go back to school.

Typical....you communicate using logic, logic being the intergration of perceptual data into concepts, concepts being formualted by the faculty of consciousness which is dependent on reality, and yet you don't know that the world is real.....HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHA, what a deadbeat....LOL

That's your trick? You prove that you exist in a context? Maybe you should learn to roll over or something.

You're obviously clueless...you remind me alot of Edufer, the GW crank.

Was that a meaningful response?

You remind me of an idiot waving a ten-cent theory as if it were worth a million dollars.

Typical....you communicate using logic, logic being the intergration of perceptual data into concepts, concepts being formualted by the faculty of consciousness which is dependent on reality, and yet you don't know that the world is real.....HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHA, what a deadbeat....LOL

no wonder you get so many hate PMs.

by the faculty of consciousness which is dependent on reality
no no no NO!
stop spewing out bullshit.
It is NOT dependent on reality, but on the variables and parameters which you are aware of to construct any given logical argument.

you haven't even mastered semantics and rationalisation of concepts, let alone cohesive, incisive thought.

Baffoon.

Wraith

We can use Logic to attain truth, just as you used language{constructed using logical rules} to make your assertion.

again with the nonsense!!!

see my above post.

little clue:

semantics, different to logics different to the truth

the first two can be termed "concepts" in the classical sense, whereas the third cannot (IMO).

It is NOT dependent on reality, but on the variables and parameters which you are aware of to construct any given logical argument.

Consciousness develops in response to interacting with reality...existence has primacy, you have a 14cent theory :D

oh great, sigmund friggin fraud is now equating consciousness and reality with logics :rolleyes:

reality, or perceived reality, or immeadiate reality will play a part in defining logics, but logics cannot define all reality.

Wraith, you're aged between 14-16, and without the aide of any of your mentors, you're responses are utterly moronic.

You really are embarrassing yourself, most of your time here as been that of becoming embarrassed and trying to deflect your obvious embarrassment.
I'm actually embarrassed for you :o , I also pity you.

But don't worry, mommy will get you a PS2 or Xbox shortly, and you become a real man :p

David, grow up.

Look everyone JAMES has uttered his 3672 nd one liner, lets all give J a round of applause for this outstanding effort.

Mayes:

did you use logic to arrive at a point of elucidation of the truth regarding me?
If so you just shot yourself in the foot you aussie twat.

only an arrogant baffoon would try to guess the age of someone he has never met.

But don't worry, mommy will get you a PS2 or Xbox shortly, and you become a real man

oh so we go from the world's greatest thinker to ad hom insults in two seconds.
mate, I've forgotten more about being a real man than you will ever know.

Wraith my teenage friend...I've developed my own logic, I've dubbed it "Triptronic Logic"...I developed it whilst studying German Philosophy at Oxford.
You see, it was there that I came to realise what a CHAMPION OF TRUTH I had become.

So, I'm able to know things about you in seconds, and my logic is NEVER WRONG{ask Edufer}.

Now one more thing, you seem to have taken exception at me "knowing" your real age, but why?...I can advise you on how to think and how to live.

Here's the GREATEST advice I could ever give to teenagers...."Don't forget to wipe your bummy"

http://www2.sjsu.edu/depts/itl/graphics/main.html

***yawn***

The moron said:
I've dubbed it "Triptronic Logic"...

I'll bite. What's "Triptronic logic", and how does it permit you to know things that cannot be logically deduced?

It's sequential knowledge, similar to that of a german gearbox, IOW, I look at my cock and make various assessments and measurements, this way I've quantified the problem and have the necessary scientific data for the ongoing pursuit of full TRUTH and to allow for experimental duplication.

Wraith my teenage friend...I've developed my own logic, I've dubbed it "Triptronic Logic"...I developed it whilst studying German Philosophy at Oxford.
You see, it was there that I came to realise what a CHAMPION OF TRUTH I had become.

So, I'm able to know things about you in seconds, and my logic is NEVER WRONG{ask Edufer}.

Now one more thing, you seem to have taken exception at me "knowing" your real age, but why?...I can advise you on how to think and how to live.

Here's the GREATEST advice I could ever give to teenagers...."Don't forget to wipe your bummy"

mayes, I'm 31.
So much for your craptronic logic, back to the drawing board on that one methinks.

I don't give a monkey's shit what you studied, and where. It's of little consequence if you can't think

Now I've had enough of making shitloads of money today, I want amusement.
So mayes use your craptonic logic and tell me somemore truths about my life.

I fancy a good laugh.

mmmm...triptronic ....sounds like something that Sony or Panasonic have produced.

Maybe it would make a good Trade mark or somthin'
I look at my cock and think "Ambidirectus" and well that gives me enough truth for now I think....... :D

It's sequential knowledge, similar to that of a german gearbox, IOW, I look at my cock and make various assessments and measurements, this way I've quantified the problem and have the necessary scientific data for the ongoing pursuit of full TRUTH and to allow for experimental duplication.

I'm going to avoid the obvious question of what the problem is with your cock that you are quantifying.

So basically you're an idiot, and now you've advertised it for all to see... well, that's good.

I was thinking you may have been the idiot....oh well, at least I've got a MASSIVE FOOTLONG COCK

Dave, you suck.

BBH...just as Wanderer discloses everything, so do I, and the TRUTH is that originally I had a 9 inch, but after trying many penis enlargement treatments, I found one that gave m ethe extra 3 inches...those inches have literally saved me from despair, I was depressed over having such an inadequate organ.
But now I'm donning a FOOTLONG

mmmm...triptronic ....sounds like something that Sony or Panasonic have produced.

Maybe it would make a good Trade mark or somthin'
I look at my cock and think "Ambidirectus" and well that gives me enough truth for now I think....... :D

QQ, triptronic does exsist, it's the clutchless "paddle shift" transmission that Audi use in their cars.

Dipshit Mayes can't even come up with an original name for his bullshit logic.
From hence forth it will be known only as:

craptronic logic

Mayes, you're an idiot.

mayes, I'm 31.

But you're mind is DISEASED.


I want amusement.

If you want to amuse others...drop your pants in a crowed place :p

how is my mind diseased?

Daaaave... you still suuuuuuuuuck.

Amusing as this is, let's keep the one-liners to free thoughts please. Either address his ideas or....just shut up.

I don't understand how someone can be so stubborn that tey can't realize their own ignorance. Your stupidity and driving people to your thread which is actually quite surprising. Haha maybe ignorance is bliss :D

I'm still waiting for his ideas. So far he has addressed his penis size and his relationship with God.

Then don't address him or his foot-long or his relationship with God. This is turning into a chat thread. I don't feel the need to always reveal that I refer to my clitoris as "Ninnghizhidda: scourge of God" and I don't see why y'all need to chatter.

how is my mind diseased?

mayes, answer my question.
You're trying my patience.

I'd close the thread, Xev. There's no useful discussion happening here.

There's no need to close it....just let it die its own natural death.

JamesR is upset that I've decided he is to be ignored on all serious matters...he seems to think that it's macho to talk tough behind a keyboard, even if he's a matchstick in real life.

Btw WRAITH....I don't know anything about you, but if you're offended by the happiness that my cosmetic surgery has given me...well boo hoo for you :eek:

PM me if you want the truth....THE FULL TRUTH :p

no, keep it "on forum" you miserable wretch.
James is NOT upset vasal. Ever seen the look on someones face when they see a paraplegic sitting in his own shit, with puke dribbling down his pasty face? A combination of pitty and an uncomfortable urge to somehow point at the freak....that my friend is how James feels about you right now.

You bring nothing but hot air, I haven't read one iotta of your shit yet have managed to call your bluff.

take your craptronic logic and piss off.

cosmetic surgery? some of us are blessed naturally.

....and thats the trooth Rooth.

So, I'm able to know things about you in seconds, and my logic is NEVER WRONG{ask Edufer}.Yeah, ask me! In a long and totally idiotic thread about global warming as an environmental concern, nitwit David had just one argument to support his hypothesis: he has an <b>UNDISPUTED</b> theory called GHG (GreenHouse Gases) that was not able to explain. So much for his theory when it showed not good enough to prevent the freezing to death of the Northeast USA and Canada.

As we have seen, David Mayes falls into the category of the <b><font size=4 color=red>Invincible Ignorante</font></b>, Champion of Circular Reasoning.

Regarding amazing David's penis size, I will repeat what I have said in this same thread: My father gave me an advice when I was a boy: <b>"Son, tell me what are you bragging about - and I will tell you what you are devoid of".</b>

Now Dave, tell us the <b>real size of your mini winnie</b>. No need to feel bad for having an inch size penis. After all, you can still play with it. (Yeah, I know, you'll say I know that because personal experience.)

Gentlemen in this thread: I cannot believe you are taking David Mayes seriously.

Edufer of course these Gentlemen take me seriously, they are compelled by my TRUTHS and awe inspiring WISDOM.

It took great courage to change my life, but it changed in an instant...the FOOTLONG gave me confidence that plain ole logic and philosophy just never could.

Why do you resent my happiness.

Btw, E, one of the things your father may have told you as a child was "don't forget to wipe your bummy".

David "Full Truth" Mayes.

It took great courage to change my life, but it changed in an instant...the FOOTLONG gave me confidence that plain ole logic and philosophy just never could.

Of course, you must realize that you will never “measure up” and be accepted by those of us who do not require treatments. :D

Of course, you must realize that you will never “measure up” and be accepted by those of us who do not require treatments.

If you have a small cock, and are comfortable with it...then yes, I'm your psychological prisoner...I'm in debt to your cock philosophy.

How old is David, do you think? I'd estimate 14 or 15, perhaps.

Perhaps he will mature in time.

If you have a small cock, and are comfortable with it...then yes, I'm your psychological prisoner...I'm in debt to your cock philosophy.

I would have expected more than a lame pedestrian and predictable answer from one who boasts to have a so-called superior intellect. Try again.

I'm not here for your benefit laughing boy....get a life and grow up.

JamesR...I'm 35....and I'm a genuine "know it all"...as I have FULL TRUTH.

Hahahaha, what do you have, FA.

GRow up as well, you're embarrassing yourself amongst your peers{LOL at the peers}

I'm not here for your benefit laughing boy....get a life and grow up.

As I suspected, you couldn’t come up with anything better.

I'm 35....and I'm a genuine "know it all"...as I have FULL TRUTH.

So was Cliff Claven. Are you a postal worker too?

No, I think you're much more likely to be around 14 or 15 years old, David.

Hahahaha, what do you (JamesR) have, FA.

Something you don't have, dignity and our respect.