View Full Version : Creating A New Identity


s0meguy
09-07-07, 08:31 AM
I wonder how someone goes about creating a new valid recognized identity that's not associated with your original identity in for example the US or Europe. I imagine that it would be easier to do in some of the newer, poorer countries of Europe where there is still a lot of corruption. But would it be possible to do it legally? And if not, how would one go about doing it illegally in say, the US?

Or in other first world countries for that matter, such as Canada or Australia.

And I'm talking about a legit identity, not just some fake papers like passports.

shorty_37
09-07-07, 09:08 AM
I have an idea.....


BEFORE:
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5352/scifi343du5.jpg


AFTER:
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9536/guesswhoyj1.jpg

s0meguy
09-07-07, 09:23 AM
I almost smiled

try not to derail the thread plz... invoking others to post similar crap

Enmos
09-07-07, 11:16 AM
If it's a legitimate identity you want, you will have to get it through the government I guess. That means the government would know about it. If it's possible at all that is.
I figure you mean something like the witness protection program ?

s0meguy
09-07-07, 11:44 AM
If it's a legitimate identity you want, you will have to get it through the government I guess. That means the government would know about it. If it's possible at all that is.
I figure you mean something like the witness protection program ?

No, an entirely new identity not associated with the old one in any way.

And it's not that I want it, but I'm interested in understanding how the system works. The 'holes' in the system that people use to do this...

s0meguy
09-07-07, 01:08 PM
What if you were stateless (or pretended to be, carrying no means of identification with you whatsoever)? Isn't there some treaty that just about every country signed that says that you can't deport someone who is stateless? Do they get a new identity?

What if a person had lived a few years without registering, how would that person go about registrating him/herself, thus creating an official identity?

Teetotaler
09-07-07, 01:14 PM
What if you were stateless (or pretended to be, carrying no means of identification with you whatsoever)? Isn't there some treaty that just about every country signed that says that you can't deport someone who is stateless? Do they get a new identity?

What if a person had lived a few years without registering, how would that person go about registrating him/herself, thus creating an official identity?

If you killed somebody someguy, you're screwed. Because the FBI is going to get your computer and trace this message.

Then they're going to use it in the court of law against you and you are going to go to jail and be a black man's bitch.

So forget about creating a new identity and work on creating buns of steel.

HEEEHAAWWHEEEHAWWWHEEEHEEEHAWWWHAWWHAWWHHAWWWER.

s0meguy
09-07-07, 03:27 PM
If you killed somebody someguy, you're screwed. Because the FBI is going to get your computer and trace this message.

Then they're going to use it in the court of law against you and you are going to go to jail and be a black man's bitch.

So forget about creating a new identity and work on creating buns of steel.

HEEEHAAWWHEEEHAWWWHEEEHEEEHAWWWHAWWHAWWHHAWWWER.

right...

Teetotaler
09-07-07, 03:37 PM
right...

I'm just kidding someguy.

Do what all the other killers do. Buy the book on "Creating a New Identity" and keep it on you until you get arrested.

HEEHAWWHEEEHAWWHEEEHAWWER! :bawl:

s0meguy
09-08-07, 01:49 PM
So... noone's got anything interesting to say on this subject?

SnakeLord
09-08-07, 01:52 PM
Well, you can change your name, (and thus your credit cards/passport etc), by using deed poll, but you're still fully traceable.

s0meguy
09-08-07, 02:37 PM
Well, you can change your name, (and thus your credit cards/passport etc), by using deed poll, but you're still fully traceable.

That's not what I'm looking for...

When a child is born, how is it registered and thus get a new identity? What are the prerequisites, do there have to be witnesses of the newborn child?

How would you register your identity if you're say 30 years old but haven't registered? (however unlikely that is, is irrelevant here)

s0meguy
09-08-07, 02:50 PM
How does someone obtain a birth certificate? How can you obtain a birth certificate for 30 years ago? If not what happens to someone thats 30 years old and hasn't registered?

s0meguy
09-08-07, 03:13 PM
What happens if you lost your birth certificate? You wouldn't be able to use it to get a passport.

tablariddim
09-08-07, 03:36 PM
How would you register your identity if you're say 30 years old but haven't registered? (however unlikely that is, is irrelevant here)

Unless you never went to school it would be impossible that you were never registered.

Unless you never had a bona fide job, it would be impossible that you never had a NI number and it would be highly unlikely that you got that number without some sort of pre-registering at some previous point in your life.

Unless you changed your name by deed poll a number of times in a number of States, preferably by using forged documents to 'prove who you were originally', I think it's highly unlikely that you could change your identity in any meaningful way.

One way to do it would be by 'borrowing' somebody's identity after they died. That is, acquiring their birth certificate, passport and NI number and opening bank accounts etc in the deceased's name preferably in a different State or country, before, the death certificate was issued .

SnakeLord
09-08-07, 03:47 PM
When a child is born, how is it registered and thus get a new identity?

Well, the hospital is aware of the childs birth to which you are then given a certain time period, (say a month), to go and register your childs birth at the local registry office, (UK at least). Once registered that child has a legal identity and will get a National insurance card automatically when he/she reaches 16.


What are the prerequisites, do there have to be witnesses of the newborn child?

The hospital are technically the witnesses.


How would you register your identity if you're say 30 years old but haven't registered? (however unlikely that is, is irrelevant here)

Hmm... That's a tricky one :D

s0meguy
09-08-07, 04:15 PM
The hospital are technically the witnesses.


What if your child was born at home with no witnesses?

s0meguy
09-08-07, 04:19 PM
Unless you never went to school it would be impossible that you were never registered.

Unless you never had a bona fide job, it would be impossible that you never had a NI number and it would be highly unlikely that you got that number without some sort of pre-registering at some previous point in your life.

Unless you changed your name by deed poll a number of times in a number of States, preferably by using forged documents to 'prove who you were originally', I think it's highly unlikely that you could change your identity in any meaningful way.
Didn't I say this? "(however unlikely that is, is irrelevant here)"


One way to do it would be by 'borrowing' somebody's identity after they died. That is, acquiring their birth certificate, passport and NI number and opening bank accounts etc in the deceased's name preferably in a different State or country, before, the death certificate was issued .
Nope, a fully functioning identity is what this thread is about, the primary reason that I would want a thing like this is having unrestricted rights to travel in that country. (not being limited by visa time length etc and having all rights of normal citizens)

tablariddim
09-08-07, 04:39 PM
And if not, how would one go about doing it illegally in say, the US?

Or in other first world countries for that matter, such as Canada or Australia.

And I'm talking about a legit identity, not just some fake papers like passports.

So, my last paragraph answers this quite clearly. The identity would be legit and so would your papers and it shouldn't restrict travel, it's just that ultimately it would be illegal.

s0meguy
09-08-07, 04:44 PM
So, my last paragraph answers this quite clearly. The identity would be legit and so would your papers and it shouldn't restrict travel, it's just that ultimately it would be illegal.

Probably not since the identification papers would pretty much become useless, for example you can't use them when entering the country, since the person is registered as dead you'd think that they'd see that when scanning your passport. (computerized)

And I'm talking about a fully legit identity.

SnakeLord
09-08-07, 04:51 PM
What if your child was born at home with no witnesses?

The problem with this is that it is rarely known to happen, (I don't mean being born at home, I mean not registering that birth). If you do not get the birth registered the child will have nothing but problems later in life: no bank accounts, passports, jobs [other than pay in hand], no access to social security, healthcare, can't even buy smokes or alcohol if asked for ID, problems if arrested, no legal ability to drive a car or get married etc etc and so on.

The only reason I can personally think of someone not wanting to register their childs birth is under the notion that their child is 'born free', which is funny considering not registering tends to constrict more than those who are.

In saying, it's very hard to answer. I suppose the best bet would be to talk to a legal adviser concerning the issue, (not being registered wouldn't ultimately be their fault but the fault of the parents).

s0meguy
09-09-07, 09:47 AM
The reasons not to register a child are irrelevant here...

SnakeLord
09-09-07, 02:03 PM
Perhaps, but I mentioned it to point out the problem with your question, (it isn't something largely experienced).

infected
04-20-08, 12:04 AM
i think you could buy some info on the net for a person who lives out of country but would be ligal over there. make on that detiles a new identification such as passport N.I. etc..

Steve100
04-20-08, 09:22 AM
I suppose in the UK you could change your name with a deed poll, then try and start over.

Varda
04-20-08, 09:32 AM
trying to be someone other than your self registered at birth is a crime
at least in brazil
it's called falsidade ideologica

Varda
04-20-08, 09:34 AM
If you killed somebody someguy, you're screwed. Because the FBI is going to get your computer and trace this message.

Then they're going to use it in the court of law against you and you are going to go to jail and be a black man's bitch.

So forget about creating a new identity and work on creating buns of steel.

HEEEHAAWWHEEEHAWWWHEEEHEEEHAWWWHAWWHAWWHHAWWWER.

I lol'd

Varda
04-20-08, 09:41 AM
but yeah, in other words, there is no way to do it legally, as the act itself is a crime.

I think that the onl situation in which you can legaly pretend to be someone else is under witness protection program, which was already mentioned here.

But if you have no problem being a criminal, you can hire someone to do everything for you. They'll use a deceased person's identity i think... they'll clear the death registry and tweak with all his documents so they're adjusted to you.

milkweed
04-20-08, 10:08 AM
You become a FBI informant and they put you in the witness protection program and create a new ID.

If this method is not acceptable because its the government you (or the person you are asking for) are trying to hide from (aside from not wanting to be a snitch), I think they have patched up the most common method of new ID. My way out was patched up around 10 years ago, so if I had used it, the government would have become aware of my new existance.

*I didnt notice your in amsterdam when I posted. Varda's suggestion might work depending on how many hoops need to be jumped through. In the USA, because kids need SSI numbers now, its almost impossible to get the DECEASED changed once its entered into the database.

PieAreSquared
06-26-09, 02:04 AM
Having a ton of money is a good starting point

SinfulMale
04-20-11, 12:22 PM
think he means like if you find a guy/gal suffering from amnesia, who hasnt been reported, missing doesnt have a any sort of crinimal or military record and has not registered for a driving licence or passport.

that way in a lot of countrys there would be no way to trace their identity and so the which ever government this happened in would have to create a new identity for this individual

The Esotericist
04-20-11, 12:55 PM
but yeah, in other words, there is no way to do it legally, as the act itself is a crime.

I think that the onl situation in which you can legaly pretend to be someone else is under witness protection program, which was already mentioned here.

But if you have no problem being a criminal, you can hire someone to do everything for you. They'll use a deceased person's identity i think... they'll clear the death registry and tweak with all his documents so they're adjusted to you.
Good point. Here's the reason you are not allowed. You are PROPERTY. Owned. So switching the title deed with out the owners consent is not allowed.
The Story of Your Enslavement (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A)

420Joey
04-21-11, 11:35 AM
Go to some official establishments in random parts of europe get in good with a crazy bribe and the right guy and your all set. I'm sure you can create identititys to get by airplanets, etc. Im not sure to live the restof your lifeon...

S.A.M.
04-21-11, 01:24 PM
I wrote down the whole stuff on how to get a new ID. Then I realised this could be constituted as criminal. Pah!