Why didnt you start with Korea? Or start a war with Russia? There are many Dectators on earth. What's so special about Iraq? Oil? Why did sadam SUDDENLY become a dectator?
what about fedel Castro? He is not yet a dect.? Snake US, Sadam is an angel compared to you. In GULF war II, the US used Uranium which fed the people in Iraq and the whole GULF with cancer, I know many people in our area, nieghbours, friends who died because of Cancer , its terribly becoming too common, young people are diying from cancer all over the gulf countries, the difference between sadam and the US is that the world knows who sadam is but the wolrd does not know the US yet, Oh, the trick of sending food. It makes me so happy. What irritates me is the ediot americans who are supposed to be smartest on earth while they believe in their snake GOV. I hope Russia interferes with the war and get the shit out of your hearts, then the US will appeal to stop the war. You know something? your power is not in the sophisticated weapon or in any tech, its because you have money, and money comes and goes,
Cowars US, it appears they need hundreds of thousands of troops more than whats there, how many millions do you need for Korea? No, it nees a neuclear bomb like the one thrawn on Japan.
of those infinite number , why didnt you send only 500 soldiers to stand between Israeli Soldiers and the palestinian homes which get demolished everyday?
Coward US,

First of all if you are going to try and communicate with people who speak English then you must first learn how to spell our words.

Second of all, we haven't needed thousands of more troops than what is there, to defeat the Iraqis, we need them to occupy the country, because 1000 people cannot control an ENTIRE country, but then again, Iraq is the size of 1 of 50 our States in the United States, but thats besides the point.

And yes it is the the money that is our power. We use are abundance in money to fund the research and puchase of high tech weapons.

For someone who is in their 30's, likes poetry, and is a chemist you sure have a GREAT flow of rhetoric.....

Robert Fisk: 'It was an outrage, an obscenity'
27 March 2003


It was an outrage, an obscenity. The severed hand on the metal door, the swamp of blood and mud across the road, the human brains inside a garage, the incinerated, skeletal remains of an Iraqi mother and her three small children in their still-smouldering car.

Two missiles from an American jet killed them all – by my estimate, more than 20 Iraqi civilians, torn to pieces before they could be 'liberated' by the nation that destroyed their lives. Who dares, I ask myself, to call this 'collateral damage'? Abu Taleb Street was packed with pedestrians and motorists when the American pilot approached through the dense sandstorm that covered northern Baghdad in a cloak of red and yellow dust and rain yesterday morning.

It's a dirt-poor neighbourhood, of mostly Shia Muslims, the same people whom Messrs Bush and Blair still fondly hope will rise up against President Saddam Hussein, a place of oil-sodden car-repair shops, overcrowded apartments and cheap cafés. Everyone I spoke to heard the plane. One man, so shocked by the headless corpses he had just seen, could say only two words. "Roar, flash," he kept saying and then closed his eyes so tight that the muscles rippled between them.

How should one record so terrible an event? Perhaps a medical report would be more appropriate. But the final death toll is expected to be near to 30 and Iraqis are now witnessing these awful things each day; so there is no reason why the truth, all the truth, of what they see should not be told.

For another question occurred to me as I walked through this place of massacre yesterday. If this is what we are seeing in Baghdad, what is happening in Basra and Nasiriyah and Kerbala? How many civilians are dying there too, anonymously, indeed unrecorded, because there are no reporters to be witness to their suffering?

Abu Hassan and Malek Hammoud were preparing lunch for customers at the Nasser restaurant on the north side of Abu Taleb Street. The missile that killed them landed next to the westbound carriageway, its blast tearing away the front of the café and cutting the two men – the first 48, the second only 18 – to pieces. A fellow worker led me through the rubble. "This is all that is left of them now," he said, holding out before me an oven pan dripping with blood.

At least 15 cars burst into flames, burning many of their occupants to death. Several men tore desperately at the doors of another flame-shrouded car in the centre of the street that had been flipped upside down by the same missile. They were forced to watch helplessly as the woman and her three children inside were cremated alive in front of them. The second missile hit neatly on the eastbound carriageway, sending shards of metal into three men standing outside a concrete apartment block with the words, "This is God's possession" written in marble on the outside wall.

The building's manager, Hishem Danoon, ran to the doorway as soon as he heard the massive explosion. "I found Ta'ar in pieces over there," he told me. His head was blown off. "That's his hand." A group of young men and a woman took me into the street and there, a scene from any horror film, was Ta'ar's hand, cut off at the wrist, his four fingers and thumb grasping a piece of iron roofing. His young colleague, Sermed, died the same instant. His brains lay piled a few feet away, a pale red and grey mess behind a burnt car. Both men worked for Danoon. So did a doorman who was also killed.

As each survivor talked, the dead regained their identities. There was the electrical shop-owner killed behind his counter by the same missile that cut down Ta'ar and Sermed and the doorman, and the young girl standing on the central reservation, trying to cross the road, and the truck driver who was only feet from the point of impact and the beggar who regularly called to see Mr Danoon for bread and who was just leaving when the missiles came screaming through the sandstorm to destroy him.

In Qatar, the Anglo-American forces – let's forget this nonsense about "coalition" – announced an inquiry. The Iraqi government, who are the only ones to benefit from the propaganda value of such a bloodbath, naturally denounced the slaughter, which they initially put at 14 dead. So what was the real target? Some Iraqis said there was a military encampment less than a mile from the street, though I couldn't find it. Others talked about a local fire brigade headquarters, but the fire brigade can hardly be described as a military target.

Certainly, there had been an attack less than an hour earlier on a military camp further north. I was driving past the base when two rockets exploded and I saw Iraqi soldiers running for their lives out of the gates and along the side of the highway. Then I heard two more explosions; these were the missiles that hit Abu Taleb Street.

Of course, the pilot who killed the innocent yesterday could not see his victims. Pilots fire through computer-aligned co-ordinates, and the sandstorm would have hidden the street from his vision. But when one of Malek Hammoud's friends asked me how the Americans could so blithely kill those they claimed to want to liberate, he didn't want to learn about the science of avionics or weapons delivery systems.

And why should he? For this is happening almost every day in Baghdad. Three days ago, an entire family of nine was wiped out in their home near the centre of the city. A busload of civilian passengers were reportedly killed on a road south of Baghdad two days ago. Only yesterday were Iraqis learning the identity of five civilian passengers slaughtered on a Syrian bus that was attacked by American aircraft close to the Iraqi border at the weekend.

The truth is that nowhere is safe in Baghdad, and as the Americans and British close their siege in the next few days or hours, that simple message will become ever more real and ever more bloody.

We may put on the hairshirt of morality in explaining why these people should die. They died because of 11 September, we may say, because of President Saddam's "weapons of mass destruction", because of human rights abuses, because of our desperate desire to "liberate" them all. Let us not confuse the issue with oil. Either way, I'll bet we are told President Saddam is ultimately responsible for their deaths. We shan't mention the pilot, of course.

http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=391165

First of all if you are going to try and communicate with people who speak English then you must first learn how to spell our words. Not true. Take a look around this site. Some of the worst are actually native to the language.

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Tiassa :cool:

tiassa

thanks :)


CHRISCUNNINGHAM

I dont like my english or spelling to be perfect. I dont like english that much. I would if those who speak english were not biased in their way of treating the poor countries. Believe me I like americans more than their thinking, and much more than their gov.

I know many americans who work in my area and are very honest and are against this war, I like those more than the brain washed people like you.

Coward: One who shows great fear and timidity. (paraphrased dict. defn.)

And your thesis is that because america is attacking a country it knows it can beat, instead of one that is larger and more powerful, it is a coward. Well fear of failure is a fear, but not exactly the pissing yourself kind. Fear of casualties (thus the intensive use of airstrikes to 'prepare the battlefield') may be grouds to call american cowards however, or it may just be a desire for pallatability. If anything can be proof of america's cowardise it was how they royally freaked out after 9/11. But then again I don't think calling an entire nation a coward is valid, and that term is really more applicable to smaller less diverse groups, or individuals. Sure some are cowards, but some are brave aswell. Does america have more or less bravado then others? Depends on who you compare them to.

American foreign policy IS decidedly callous and selfish though, but what do you expect from a nation? The whole idea of nations is self-interest, and some will inevitably disregard thier morals when dealing with those not of thier group. IMHO nations are bad for humanity, and should be phased out in the future, but then again I'm unusually selfless aparently, and most people prefer the benefits of a strong greedy nation, to care for other people. Hopefully this greedy selfish segment can be removed from the gene pool, or rendered impotent by social pressure. Most nations commit, or have committed horible attroicities in the name of greed, and nations that are nicer have little power, and keep a low profile.

Originally posted by riverline
tiassa

thanks :)


CHRISCUNNINGHAM

I dont like my english or spelling to be perfect. I dont like english that much. I would if those who speak english were not biased in their way of treating the poor countries. Believe me I like americans more than their thinking, and much more than their gov.

I know many americans who work in my area and are very honest and are against this war, I like those more than the brain washed people like you.

Dont bother youself with these american sheeps, they are busy watching the CNN and the FOX NEWS ,eating pizza and burgers
and waving the flag of the united snakes of crimes and terrorism.

You are wasting your time with those self-illusioned americans, they are LOST.

The whole world HATES them and yet they keep denying that, they live in fake bubble which will soon go bust.

Salam.

Helen you keep talking about these "sheep", look at all of those religous fundamentalists Helen!!

Come on, get to fricken reality here!!!!

I know many americans who work in my area and are very honest and are against this war, I like those more than the brain washed people like you.

You know, I was a bit in the middle on this war. I really was, and then I saw all of these arrogant, disgusting, anti-americans who really think that we are SOOOOO wrong with this war.

Maybe we went in too early.

Maybe we went in without consensus, but honestly, we could destroy that ENTIRE country if we wanted. We could bomb everything in site, and leave it for the Iraqis to clean up. But we haven't, so seriously, let the war play out, see where Iraq ends up in the aftermath, and stop your pouting, because it is going to do ABOLSUTELY NOTHING!!!

The people of the united states have NO MORE say over our government's quick decision actions, than the Nation of Islam has over these disgusting, sorry, pathetic, and immoral wastes of life that think they are doing the right thing and will be blessed by Allah by hijacking airplanes flying them into buildings and killing thousands of innocent people!!

of corse

wait and see shall we

what about the family in the car?
should there family be gratful to you?

will they be evil if you find the womans husband in a taxi bomb cause he has nothing left?

One of the unfortunate realities of asserting the illusion of civility is that we must, on occasion, live up to it. Whereas common prejudices among Americans regard other cultures as primitive, wrong, or otherwise in need of advancement, it is our principles and not our actions which describe that advancement.

According to prejudice, of course the Muslims are sheep. According to reality, there is some merit to this argument, as well. But also according to reality, We the People of the United States owe the world better than to take the easy way out and be sheep just because it's easier.

There are lots of sheep around the world. Some just have better excuses than others.

A religious-based society seeking homogony is sort of a self-fulfilling idea. A free society seeking homogony is a contradiction in terms.

While a third-party moral perspective can hold both accountable for their errors, Americans more often choose to be sheep whereas children of a religious society are generally raised to be sheep.

Too many defenses of American culture and behavior rely on accusing the paucity of other cultures. Is it enough to merely be like those we consider in need of correction, or ought our ambitions guide us toward better behavior?

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Tiassa :cool:

NO one EVER chooses to be a sheep.

And as for your statment about we look down upon other countries, or see that they need to advance based on OUR standards.

Yes, we do. The majority of our counrty has food, shelter, running water, law, education, freedom of speech, morality, etc.

If a country is lacking ANY ONE of these then they are not giving the people of their country what they desreve.

SIMPLE AS THAT.

Maybe we went in without consensus, but honestly, we could destroy that ENTIRE country if we wanted. We could bomb everything in site, and leave it for the Iraqis to clean up

CHRISCUNNINGHAM

You dont lack the power neither do you lack the bad intentions to do it but what makes you not do it is:

1. The fact that you want to look good and civilized.

2. Plus you want the oil, so you plan not to make Iraqi people hate americans when they stay for long on the iraqi.

3. Besides, the world is not like before, its not as easy as you think it would be, wake up,you are not the greatest power on earth, sooo many countries have the neclear capability , and any foulish bad action by the US in iraq may lead to a bigger war than a traditional ( oily ) war.

Originally posted by CHRISCUNNINGHAM
NO one EVER chooses to be a sheep.

And as for your statment about we look down upon other countries, or see that they need to advance based on OUR standards.

Yes, we do. The majority of our counrty has food, shelter, running water, law, education, freedom of speech, morality, etc.

If a country is lacking ANY ONE of these then they are not giving the people of their country what they desreve.

SIMPLE AS THAT.

Unless your a genetics engineer!

Point: Most of these "downtrodden" countries get aid; which goes either into the leaders bank accounts (don't say it does not) or on arms.

america is the bigest PARASITE country in the world which needs thirld world countries resorces to survive..

you guys should just admit that, and stop bullshitting about moral issues. thats really stupid.

today, in Bagdad another market place is bombed (the first one is bombed at march 26) and more then 50 civilian died and more then 50 wounded.. i think there will be no civilan left to save when the war is over..

and about talking perfect english..if you can not handle to hear grammer mistakes in English, do you prefer to communicate in other languages? or since you can not speak any other language- like most americans- you prefer not to communicate with nonamericans at all and by this way you continue to live in your dream world and believe how GREAT YOU AMERICANS ARE?

NO one EVER chooses to be a sheep.Okay. If you say so.If a country is lacking ANY ONE of these then they are not giving the people of their country what they desreve.Does money grow on trees? How can poor nations afford it?SIMPLE AS THAT. Yes, and in the Beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth; simple as that. :bugeye:

Why pretend things are as simple as your own breadth of vision?

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Tiassa :cool:

Originally posted by Stoney.Hobbittess
Very well stated. I like your opinion, CHRIS!

al3emlaq, do you actually have an opinion or are you just going to be quoting articles all day. Gees! Recent articles have stated it's SADDAM's soilders who are trying to kill these innoscent people who are trying to escape the cities. What do you have to say about that? Do you have an opinon on it?

america is the bigest PARASITE country in the world which needs thirld world countries resorces to survive..

you guys should just admit that, and stop bullshitting about moral issues. thats really stupid.
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If America & the west stop buying the oil what will they have...Just sand!

You guys should admit it, with out Amrica you will be eating sand!

<i>"Yes, we do. The majority of our counrty has food, shelter, running water, law, education, freedom of speech, morality, etc..."</i>

That's correct, and I think it's worth noting that many here drink from that tit, yet they also bite the nipple.

CHRISCUNNINGHAM,

if you have that HIGH standards of living and you have HIGH moral quality, WHY you have soo many homeless people in your streets? why your government is stealing poorer countries last breads from their mouths?

in my country, although people are starving- try to feed their families with 200$ montly income- WE HAVE NO HOMELESS.. because people shares their bread with their neighbours, with their poor friends instead of keeping their money for themselves to buy new cars or homes..

are you really talking about morality? i can not sleep fine thinking how you guys are sleeping fine with being that immoral and selfish..

Originally posted by tiassa
God created the heavens and the Earth

As a B.A.A. I would disput that ;)

B.A.A. Born Again Atheist

Originally posted by pillowtalk
in my country, although people are starving...WE HAVE NO HOMELESS.. And that country would be...

:m: Peace.

if you have that HIGH standards of living and you have HIGH moral quality, WHY you have soo many homeless people in your streets? why your government is stealing poorer countries last breads from their mouths?

The homeless are homeless because they choose to. They are lazy and dont want to work and thats why their homeless. I dont understand the second question so I wont even attempt to answer.

in my country, although people are starving- try to feed their families with 200$ montly income- WE HAVE NO HOMELESS.. because people shares their bread with their neighbours, with their poor friends instead of keeping their money for themselves to buy new cars or homes..

Well good for your country, but I happen to think your full of shit. I will share my hardearned money with someone if they really need it, but not if their just too lazy to work.

are you really talking about morality? i can not sleep fine thinking how you guys are sleeping fine with being that immoral and selfish..

I think you should take some Prozac and mellow out.

You are so above us Americans. I mean, your like taking a whole country of people and labeling them with what YOU feel is appropriate ~ real mature.

But all in all ~ Welcome to Sciforums ~ I'm sure you and I will get along just fine:)

''The homeless are homeless because they choose to. They are lazy and dont want to work and thats why their homeless.''

i was thinking when Reagan was in charge, he closed three main state mental illness hospitals and that resulted in a big system change and today, the 4,000 capacity of the hospitals are not enough for the mentally ill people and thats why the poor ones HAVE TO live on the streets..

i did not know thats their preference.. i am sorry if i made you angry..

and my second question was, since i spent 30 years in a third world country and experienced american emperyalism deeply, i was wondering how you guys let your government ..you know what, forget it.. these are some stuff you will never get..

and to be honest, i started to take some pills.. i had a very happy life and never consider taking any kind of support before, but you know what? i really started not eating and sleeping well, the day Iraqi people started to die for OIL.. i could not..

i am happy for you if you are continuing your life as if nothing happening..

...still did not catch the name of that country you live in.

:m: Peace.

Turkey..

its a thirld world country, people are really poor, there is no middle class like many poor countries.. and there is NO homeless.. believe it or not..
if there is a poor people in the appartment for example everybody helps.. i know many families who take care of totally strangers at their homes since they lost their family or so.. i know it sounds crazy to an american.. you guys are really soo concerned only about yourselves and your families that, you can not imagine a lifesytle that i am mentioning..

i am living in US for 3 years and although i attempted many times to communicate with my neighbours, i failed.. ''Hi, how are you/ fine'' looks like the limit in relationships..

or you can just ignore the poor people sitting on the streets..thats normal..the bad thing, i am getting used to, too.. thats like losing my humanity..

anyway, you guys saw although Turkish economy sooooo needed the money that america offered, they rejected killing people for oil.. thats an example of the mentality i am talking about..

p.s. i do NOT wanna make generalization.. and i am NOT accusing americans being heartless or immoral.. (i am accusing them to believe everything their media-government says- thats a different issue).. i just can not handle ''SAVING IRAQI PEOPLE ' kinda stupid conversations when these people are suffering..and my speech about homeless people was directed to CHRISCUNNIGHAM not to you guys..

p.s.2.i just watched Bush speech about supporting american troops, as if he did not send them to kill other people, as if somebody attacked US and they are protecting the country.. this guy needs to be nominated for an OSCAR..

Originally posted by pillowtalk
Turkey..

its a thirld world country, people are really poor, there is no middle class like many poor countries.. and there is NO homeless.. believe it or not...Not.

At the very least, I would consider the 2 million or so
Kurds that fled government repression as homeless.

:m: Peace.

dear goofyfish,

kurdish issue is a long story that we need to discuss at a different topic detaily.. but i can tell you that,kurdish problem is a project which created by the emperyalist countries France and Germany (who can not gain any land from Turkish land which considered as a great strategic location) and took over by todays biggest emperyalist power america, after Ottoman Empire..

jew-turks, sunni-turks, christian-turks had never problems with kurdish-turks in their history.. as a jew, i never had a problem with muslims, i am turkish and why should i make a discrimination saying that i am greek- jew (or believe i deserve better since my race).. a kurdish is a turkish first of all, at their ID, it says TURKISH..they do not look like different then other turkish people, soo why they should talk about being Kurdish- turkish? and in front of the law, everybody is equal.. so, who do you thing torturing to kurdish-turkish people? jew- turks? muslim-turks can not be, because kurds are muslims, too.. soo,who?

yes the education system is turkish and people speaks turkish..i am not trying to speak hibru or greek either.. its really hard to put kurdish educational system, and a thirld world country can not afford that.. do you think these are enough reasons to be in need to have your own republic?

nope, my friend.. kurdish problem is something totally different then what you believe..america wants to create another Israel kinda little america in that area.. which he will control middle east easily- you saw, they could not control turkey much..

and another point..why do you thing although kurdish terrorist killed MORE THAN 30,000 PEOPLE by terrorist actions, you can NEVER read a news about it on american media?.. other countries terrorists are not important? then why couple bombing in Israel is always a front page news?

do you really believe US gives shit to Iraqi people?
or Kurdish people?
or anybody if their natural resources are bananas only?-i liked this.

Actually, it is rather presumptuous of you to assume what I do or do not
know about the situation regarding the Kurds. I am merely refuting your
statement that there are no homeless people in Turkey. Quite obviously
there are, for whatever reason.

:m: Peace.

if you are talking about the PKK (the terrorist group who lives in the mountains of Eastern Turkey and northern Iraq) being homeless ( thats was their choice to leave their homes and spending their times planning which bus or school or busy store will be their next target) yes.. we can call them as homeless..

what i am trying to say is, we had no kurdish problem in our history.. and it started by emperyalist powers, they made them believe to have their own country in order to divide-turkey, and they started to kill innocent people, and today yes.. there is a kurdish problem..

my question why in america your media always give you the kurdish side of the story?

Originally posted by pillowtalk
what i am trying to say is, we had no kurdish problem in our history.. and it started by emperyalist powers, they made them believe to have their own country in order to divide-turkey, and they started to kill innocent people, and today yes.. there is a kurdish problem..A rather simplistic point of view.my question why in america your media always give you the kurdish side of the story?Who knows? My question to you is, having lived here for only three years, how do you know what the media has been reporting prior to that - that we only get the "kurdish side" of the story? My question is, why do you apparently judge every member of this country based on the actions of a few. My question is, why do you attempt to hold yourself and your native country up as morally superior to the United States, make a sweeping statement that is false to support your position, and then ramble off on a tangent whe someone calls this to your attention?

Is the United States perfect? Hardly. But you should perhaps look to your own house before attempting to criticize how others tend to theirs.

:m: Peace.

Originally posted by tiassa
Not true. Take a look around this site. Some of the worst are actually native to the language.

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Tiassa :cool:

People who use non-standard English are usually uneducated. Pity them.

Originally posted by pillowtalk
my question why in america your media always give you the kurdish side of the story?

Maybe if the Turkish government stopped changing their minds, and stories, so often, maybe someone would listen to them!!!

Is the United States perfect? Hardly. But you should perhaps look to your own house before attempting to criticize how others tend to theirs.

Fair play the U.S is only doing what we British did a hundred years ago, only thing is we did it better ;)

Originally posted by Benji
Fair play the U.S is only doing what we British did a hundred years ago, only thing is we did it better ;)

Be nice ;)

i never said turkish government is better than US government.. if it was, i would not choose to live in this country, right?..

and i never wanted to mean Kurds are bad people, when i was in turkey, i really spent time reading and discussing this issue at my universities history classes (its an american university) and with my parents who worked as teachers at Kurdish-turkish cities for years.. i totally understand them too.. the same way, i understand the palestanians..i just talked about the starting point of these problems. and the feeling of your terrorist who put bombs to your kids school busses (30,000 people i am talking about) may be some other countries heroes. do you imagine there is a XX country which is more powerfull than US and giving citizienship to the Osama and your other terorists?

and if i am sounding as if i am making generalizations, sorry.. i have troubles expressing myself because of my poor english..

my problem is not governments.. the people..i was not into politics when i was in Turkey, because over there everybody knows it's too late to save the government.. everybody knows how the politicians are selling the country and do immoral things for their benefits.. but here, in america i noticed majority of the population are NOT aware of many things, and they are soo brainwashed by their media-goverment that, they really believe, americans are always helping other countries, whatever they did in their history they did it for others.. and thats making me sick..

in the most free country i found a media which is questioning nothing the government says..and giving nothing but biased news..

goofyfish says;
''A rather simplistic point of view.''

most of the things in the world have really common and simple starting points..what can i say?

Originally posted by CHRISCUNNINGHAM
NO one EVER chooses to be a sheep.

And as for your statment about we look down upon other countries, or see that they need to advance based on OUR standards.

Yes, we do. The majority of our counrty has food, shelter, running water, law, education, freedom of speech, morality, etc.

If a country is lacking ANY ONE of these then they are not giving the people of their country what they desreve.

SIMPLE AS THAT.

AS ALWAYS, AMERICANS LIVING IN STATE OF DENIAL:

HUNGER IN BARBARIC AMERICA:

http://www.hungerinamerica.org

CHILDHOOD HUNGER IN BARBARIC AMERICA:

http://www.secondharvest.org/childhunger/childhunger.html

The United snakes of shite and terrorism is the most DEBTED country in the world:

U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK
The Outstanding Public Debt as of 29 Mar 2003 at 09:28:31 AM GMT is:

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/debtc.gif

The estimated population of the United States is 290,599,149
so each citizen's share of this debt is $22,240.42.

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$1.31 billion per day since September 30, 2002!

So, dear self-illusioned lost americans, GO FEED YOURSELF FIRST, and FEED THE AFRICAN-STYLE HUNGER in your states before you wage illegal immoral barbaric wars on other nations.

stay inside your big prisons, the world, the whole world HATES YOU.

http://www.theodora.com/flags/us-bx.gif

Helen and the other like minded (Boy is that an overstatement),

Who gives a shit if you hate us or like us. You threaten us we are going to kick your ass. That goes for N Korea, Iran and Iraq.

What a bunch of piss ants. Go around letting your big mouths overload your punny ass's.

We can and have shown every concievable effort to spare innocents. But we damn sure won't roll over and cry mommy and suck our thumb while a bunch of dumb bastards teach, preach and act out "Ahalla told me to as they kill thousands of us".

Grow up and join humanity, civilization and a thinking world. Get your heads out from where the sun don't shine.

If we were cowards why would we fight at all? Anyway nobody has answered this question as far as I know: how much oil can you buy for 90 billion dollars? (the projected cost of the war)

Oh yes us agressive but cowardly americans, attacking visciously while we retreat. We use our puny military of tremendous numbers to wreak havoc on our enemy wich are completely uneffected.

Feh...

As a B.A.A. I would disput that I must admit--that's pretty much the point.

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Tiassa :cool:

If we were cowards why would we fight at all? Anyway nobody has answered this question as far as I know: how much oil can you buy for 90 billion dollars? (the projected cost of the war)

Nobody has answered this question? I will now. When the greatest country on earth fights a third world country, then it must be coward. Why didnt you answer my unanswered question above? why didnt you start with North Korea? its more dangerous to the US than Iraq. Why didnt u mess up with Russia? its the souce of Saddams chemical and biological weapon. so your B-52 monters should have targeted those factories there.

Regarding the 90 billion dollars, the US is going to exchange them with Iraq oil, well they have started pumping oil from the wells in the southern Part of Iraq, and that ucovers the real objective behind the war.
Did you get it Mr. brainwashed clockwood ?

First off its not the United States fault that people cannont feed themselves accross the glob blam that on European nations such as France, Russia and Britan. There colonizing forced people to stop growing thier food and grow cash crops.

If we fight North Korea there will be more losses on our side making the United States public opinion go from being involved to isolationist. So Saddam would remain in power.

If we fight North Korea there will be more losses on our side making the United States public opinion go from being involved to isolationist. So Saddam would remain in power.

Yes, saddam would remain in power, and the oil would remain untheft.

Originally posted by MacM
Helen and the other like minded (Boy is that an overstatement),

What a bunch of piss ants. Go around letting your big mouths overload your punny ass's.
Grow up and join humanity, civilization and a thinking world. Get your heads out from where the sun don't shine.

Typical American buger-eating, fat, flag-waving MORON.

Wake up stupid ignorant Americans, wake up, you are now the most hated nation on earth.

http://www.americanstateterrorism.com/graphics1/AmericaNaziFlag.gif

clockwood,

firstly, as i mentioned before at another topic, your senators are talking about to get the cost of the war from iraqi people..

and secondly, forget about the the capacity of oil fields in iraq if british and american jets stop to bomb them and if they start to produce with full capacity ( for the last 13 years they can only use their %15) , do you think, after the war Iraq will CONTINUE TO SELL HIS OIL IN EURO?

Riverline,

I beg to differ. Russia did not sell Saddam Hussein the means to establish the chemical and biological weapons of Iraq. It was a combined effort by the USA, Germany and Great Britain and France, but USA provided all the seed stock.

And gave Saddam Hussein, all the planning and technical wherewithall to efficiently use the kindly supplied materials in the Iran/Iraq war.

Here are some documents which may assist you to start evaluating this issue:


http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/08/18/1029114048796.htm That the US supported Iraq in its war against Iran, in the hope of thwarting any spread of the Iranian Islamic revolution to the oil-rich Persian Gulf, is not news. But the detailed allegation that chemical weapons were integrated into battle plans that were prepared by the US is new, and it could not have come at a worse time for the Bush campaign to march on Baghdad. A spokesman for Mr Powell denied the allegation, but would give no detail. (The details have now been confirmed)


List of the US businesses that sold them to Iraq:

http://www.lizmichael.com/weapons.htm U.S. corporations involved:

A - nuclear
K - chemical
B - biological
R - rockets (missiles)

1) Honeywell (R,K)
2) Spektra Physics (K)
3) Semetex (R)
4) TI Coating (A,K)
5) UNISYS (A,K)
6) Sperry Corp. (R,K)
7) Tektronix (R,A)
8) Rockwell (K)
9) Leybold Vacuum Systems (A)
10) Finnigan-MAT-US (A)
11) Hewlett Packard (A.R,K)
12) Dupont (A)
13) Eastman Kodak (R)
14) American Type Culture Collection (B)
15) Alcolac International (C)
16) Consarc (A)
17) Carl Zeis -U.Ss (K)
18) Cerberus (LTD) (A)
19) Electronic Assiciates (R)
20) International Computer Systems
21) Bechtel (K)
22) EZ Logic Data Systems,Inc. (R)
23) Canberra Industries Inc. (A)
24) Axel Electronics Inc. (A)

Additionally to these 24 companies based in the US, are nearly 50 subsidiaries of foreign enterprises whose arms co-operation with Iraq seems to have been operated from the US. In addition, the US deparments of defense, energy, trade, and agriculture, as well as the U.S. nuclear weapons laboratories at Lawrence Livermore. Los Alamos, and Sandia, are designated as suppliers for the Iraqi arms programs for A, B, and K-weapons as well as for rockets.

Iraq's 11,000-page report to the UN Security Council lists 150 foreign companies, including some from America, Britain, Germany and France, that supported Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction programme, a German newspaper said.

http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/03/119547.php
During the Iran-Iraq war, Iraq received the lion's share of American support because at the time Iran was regarded as the greater threat to U.S. interests. According to a 1994 Senate report, private American suppliers, licensed by the U.S. Department of Commerce, exported a witch's brew of biological and chemical materials to Iraq from 1985 through 1989. Among the biological materials, which often produce slow, agonizing death, were:

* Bacillus Anthracis, cause of anthrax.

* Clostridium Botulinum, a source of botulinum toxin.

* Histoplasma Capsulatam, cause of a disease attacking lungs, brain, spinal cord, and heart.

* Brucella Melitensis, a bacteria that can damage major organs.

* Clostridium Perfringens, a highly toxic bacteria causing systemic illness.

* Clostridium tetani, a highly toxigenic substance.


Also on the list: Escherichia coli (E. coli), genetic materials, human and bacterial DNA, and dozens of other pathogenic biological agents. "These biological materials were not attenuated or weakened and were capable of reproduction," the Senate report stated. "It was later learned that these microorganisms exported by the United States were identical to those the United Nations inspectors found and removed from the Iraqi biological warfare program."

The report noted further that U.S. exports to Iraq included the precursors to chemical-warfare agents, plans for chemical and biological warfare production facilities, and chemical-warhead filling equipment.

The exports continued to at least November 28, 1989, despite evidence that Iraq was engaging in chemical and biological warfare against Iranians and Kurds since as early as 1984.

The American company that provided the most biological materials to Iraq in the 1980s was American Type Culture Collection of Maryland and Virginia, which made seventy shipments of the anthrax-causing germ and other pathogenic agents, according to a 1996 Newsday story.

Other American companies also provided Iraq with the chemical or biological compounds, or the facilities and equipment used to create the compounds for chemical and biological warfare. Among these suppliers were the following:

* Alcolac International, a Baltimore chemical manufacturer already linked to the illegal shipment of chemicals to Iran, shipped large quantities of thiodiglycol (used to make mustard gas) as well as other chemical and biological ingredients, according to a 1989 story in The New York Times.

* Nu Kraft Mercantile Corp. of Brooklyn (affiliated with the United Steel and Strip Corporation) also supplied Iraq with huge amounts of thiodiglycol, the Times reported.

* Celery Corp., Charlotte, NC

* Matrix-Churchill Corp., Cleveland, OH (regarded as a front for the Iraqi government, according to Representative Henry Gonzalez, Democrat of Texas, who quoted U.S. intelligence documents to this effect in a 1992 speech on the House floor).


The following companies were also named as chemical and biological materials suppliers in the 1992 Senate hearings on "United States export policy toward Iraq prior to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait":

* Mouse Master, Lilburn, GA

* Sullaire Corp., Charlotte, NC

* Pure Aire, Charlotte, NC

* Posi Seal, Inc., N. Stonington, CT

* Union Carbide, Danbury, CT

* Evapco, Taneytown, MD

* Gorman-Rupp, Mansfield, OH


Additionally, several other companies were sued in connection with their activities providing Iraq with chemical or biological supplies: subsidiaries or branches of Fisher Controls International, Inc., St. Louis; Rhone-Poulenc, Inc., Princeton, NJ; Bechtel Group, Inc., San Francisco; and Lummus Crest, Inc., Bloomfield, NJ, which built one chemical plant in Iraq and, before the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in August 1990, was building an ethylene facility. Ethylene is a necessary ingredient for thiodiglycol

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1218-06.htm

Leaked Report Says German and US Firms Supplied Arms to Saddam
Baghdad's uncensored report to UN names Western companies alleged to have developed its weapons of mass destruction

by Tony Paterson in Berlin British officials said the list of companies appeared to be accurate. Eighty German firms and 24 US companies are reported to have supplied Iraq with equipment and know-how for its weapons programs from 1975 onwards and in some cases support for Baghdad's conventional arms program had continued until last year.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2002-09-30-iraq-ushelp_x.htm — Iraq's bioweapons program that President Bush wants to eradicate got its start with help from Uncle Sam two decades ago, according to government records getting new scrutiny in light of the discussion of war against Iraq.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sent samples directly to several Iraqi sites that U.N. weapons inspectors determined were part of Saddam Hussein's biological weapons program, CDC and congressional records from the early 1990s show. Iraq had ordered the samples, claiming it needed them for legitimate medical research. (Related story: http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2002-09-30-iraq-ushelp-list_x.htm gives more info..) ...The transfers came in the 1980s, when the United States supported Iraq in its war against Iran. They were detailed in a 1994 Senate Banking Committee report and a 1995 follow-up letter from the CDC to the Senate.

http://cns.miis.edu/research/wmdme/flow/iraq/seed.htm

Iraq's Biological Weapons Program

Foreign Suppliers to Iraq's Biological Weapons Program

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A52241-2002Dec29&notFound=true

washingtonpost.com
U.S. Had Key Role in Iraq Buildup
Trade in Chemical Arms Allowed Despite Their Use on Iranians, Kurds

http://www.photius.com/rogue_nations/biological_us_supplied.html

U.S. supplied the kinds of germs Iraq later used for biological weapons, documents show
Mon Sep 30, 6:46 PM ET

{ This may seem unrelated, but it will help in other analyses of other aspects of WMD http://www.traprockpeace.org/firstresponse.html}

is a man a coward for using a mousetrap to catch mice?

and remember: most people's mistakes are rooted in "it seemed like a good idea at the time" the US is no exception but we have to do what we feel is right.

To All those Expousing such crap.

It matters not what the US has or has not done historically or may do in the future. The US has not and WILL NOT steal Iraqi oil. It will be used to feed the people and give them a chance of a real life instead of building palaces for the rulers and for building one the (what used to be) one of the largest armies in the world (In a 3rd world country??????).

Regardless of any motive or history, the bastard supported terrosim and we just wiped out the factory in N Iraq that was producing "Ricin" that has already been found in LOndon and Paris.

He has to go, along with Iran and N Korea, Syria, etc - Assuming they don't get the message "Don't screw with the USA.

Originally posted by riverline
Believe me I like americans more than their thinking, and much more than their gov.

I know many americans who work in my area and are very honest and are against this war, I like those more than the brain washed people like you.

So many people, arabs, europeans, ect...say the same thing, we like Americans, but not their government. Afterall, so many poeple in the world have family in the US that they love, get money from, ect. Then they start the insults, the flag burning, the fake boycott, ect. I really don't understand this double standard of others with the Americans.

It is this kind of behavior that alienates Americans from the world and make them support their government blindly in all foreign affairs. Afterall, what do you expect the average american to think when they see protestors burning their beloved flag and wishing and symbolizing death to all it's citizens.

Typical American buger-eating, fat, flag-waving MORON.

Wake up stupid ignorant Americans, wake up, you are now the most hated nation on earth.

Someone needs to get laid... bigtime!

is a man a coward for using a mousetrap to catch mice?

No, You would not be coward if you catch a mouse provided that the mouse lives in your house!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by heflores
So many people, arabs, europeans, ect...say the same thing, we like Americans, but not their government. Afterall, so many poeple in the world have family in the US that they love, get money from, ect. Then they start the insults, the flag burning, the fake boycott, ect. I really don't understand this double standard of others with the Americans.

It is this kind of behavior that alienates Americans from the world and make them support their government blindly in all foreign affairs. Afterall, what do you expect the average american to think when they see protestors burning their beloved flag and wishing and symbolizing death to all it's citizens.

you said so many, how many is so many? besides you said arabs, europeans, ect ,,, do you mean US have problem with the whole world? and how do you know the people who say we like americans are the same people who burn the holly flag?

Besides, you are being so sympathatic towards the pain of the ultraperfect flag when it gets burned while you forget how many civilians have been killed so far during few days in Iraq.

regards to your double standards

Originally posted by riverline
you said so many, how many is so many? besides you said arabs, europeans, ect ,,, do you mean US have problem with the whole world? and how do you know the people who say we like americans are the same people who burn the holly flag?

Besides, you are being so sympathatic towards the pain of the ultraperfect flag when it gets burned while you forget how many civilians have been killed so far during few days in Iraq.

regards to your double standards

In answer to your post above:

Every single person on Jazeera, the many arabs seeing conducting protests againest the US, ect. US does not have problem with whole world, some corrupt leaders in the world seems to have a problem with the US.

How the hell can you measure or unmeasure sympathy toward people killed in Iraq? Again, you're making assumptions regarding a US citizen that merely questioned how can people that says they don't hate the American people, prostests in such a violent matter, burn US flags, dance when US citizen die in terrorism attacks....ect.

So Yes, I stand by my first believe that Arabs have double standards.....double faced.

Keep sharing your bread and drowning in envious self rightious propoganda pillowtalk. From the depiction of your own country I would hazard that even the so-called "homeless" in America have a better future than your people. Why is that?

Originally posted by Tadpole_Terror
Keep sharing your bread and drowning in envious self rightious propoganda pillowtalk. From the depiction of your own country I would hazard that even the so-called "homeless" in America have a better future than your people. Why is that?

And what smelly gutter have you emerged from honey...???? I'd love to know the backgrounds of sick minded bastards that insult me without solicitation.

Originally posted by Tadpole_Terror
"homeless" in America have a better future than your people. Why is that?

Shoot, you must not have been talking to me, cause I'm an American. Sorry for the taste of heflores wrath.

Ya know, I got kinda pissed off at some of youse people last week. We for some reason have gotten into this school yard name calling that does nothing to help fuel the topic at hand. People are going to have different points of view. Helen is going have a different point of view than say heflores but thats the idea of this board if, I'm not mistaken. We are more than capable of voicing our thoughts without resorting to the name calling.

In the immortal words of Rodney the King of the Highway Beatdown, "Can't We All Get Along?"

What do ya say, people - Group Hug! Show some love! Everybody join hands and sing, "We are the World, We are the People...."

So are you talking to me now dkb218, or are you still pissed?

Originally posted by heflores
So are you talking to me now dkb218, or are you still pissed?

Lady, youse know I loves youse! I was on the "rag" last week. I'm over it now!

dkb218,
I say peas and carrots again until we disagree.....and it's emminent....feel free to yell at me when I seem to the naked eye like I'm forgetting my roots. As far as yelling at each other, there is no way around it. People just go too far to undermine other's believes and way of life......It's like we personally sent the troops to Iraq or had anything to do with it.

*stRgrL*, I'm with you... LOL!

Alright, Helen...blah, blah, blah. We get your point. You can rant but you seem to have no views of your own. All you do is spew out irrelevant data from a web page and say how much you hate Americans. What does the National Debt and the homeless have anything to do with why Americans are cowards? Seriously, you just need to shut the f**k up instead of copying nonsense. You're like some elementary-aged student plagerizing text from a book with 'big words' that you don't understand. Ask your mommy help you before you start typing next time. *Pats Helen on the Head* Now, off you go.

Geez heflores.. I specifically mentioned that I was addressing "Pillowtalk" in my post.. lol Maybe you should do more reading and less typing? No need to apologize, your wrath and contemptuous talk doesn't bother me.. it's the silly behavior that I've come to expect from those less intelligent on this forum.

I just read your post Stoney... You expressed almost perfectly the complete lack of free thought so many peeps around here possess! Ludicrous nonsense, unsupported "facts" and memorized blurbs from class dominate the discussion. Honestly, it's frightingly dismal to read the lack of logic applied in some of these posts.

Good lord, I may not be correct in every belief but please, if you disagree with me, use a little common sense with your sources..

I couldn't agree more... and thanks for the props, Tadpole_Terror. Respect.

What does the National Debt and the homeless have anything to do with why Americans are cowards?The sad thing is that outside of the US, not many people who view that issue have to ask.

It's hard to fix the debt. It's hard to handle the homeless. It's hard to deal with a country like North Korea that has a big army and missiles that can hurt us. So our politicos sold us on the idea of a war with a pissant backwater that the American people were told should be an easy war.

We're cowards because we never tackle the real problems. We're afraid to.

Hell, I'm an American and I know that. I didn't think the connection was that hard to make.Seriously, you just need to shut the f**k up instead of copying nonsenseThat's the American Way!

Look ... Helen is very annoying. But so is Biblthmp, but nobody's telling him to shut the fuck up for his CBN and WorldNet-sponsored propaganda outbursts. In the meantime, people are admitting that they don't want to deal with the indignity of war, and that's what pisses them off about Helen. It's not what she's doing, apparently, but what side of the line she's on. And I've even seen people demonizing her for what she's not, assuming otherwise compared to what she's already told us about herself. Yeah, Helen is annoying, but when this kind of bratty, cowardly response is the best people can come up with, she's also winning her argument. It would be a lot easier for me to pay little or no attention to Helen if y'all didn't waste so much time bitching about her.

Believe me ... I'd rather she went about it differently, but I'm not nearly as disturbed by the pictures of death and destruction as the war party. I don't get it: I didn't want any of this ridiculous war, and yet the people who do are afraid to look at the true horror of what they've spawned.

Get over it. The child without a cranium; the little girl with the mangled face--this is what people wanted. They just thought they could ignore this point.

While I admit that Helen's methods are rather silly, I'm happy she's offering up the ugly pictures so that I don't. If nobody else is, believe me, I will. The war party does not get to hide from its doings!

And what part about "you need to shut the fuck up" reflects any of the freedoms we allege to uphold in this country? "Everyone should have free speech unless they offend me"? Come on ... what's the problem?

There are people, I know, who didn't want this war and who don't want to look at it. You are free, as with your television, radio, or patronage at the local pub, free to turn it off or choose to not enter. I don't like the thought of anyone afraid to come to Sciforums, but there's no reason you need to view any particular topic. If you choose to click on the link, be prepared for what you see. And if you don't like it ... well, there's the problem, eh? Then don't look.

To paraphrase Ozzy Osbourne (because I'll never find the old article in which I read it some fifteen or so years ago): "One of the great things about America is that you have the right to get offended at what you see."

It's a little like the Attorney General covering statues for decency's sake. In other words, You're kidding me, right?

:m:,
Tiassa :cool:

Helen,

Since you don't know me and you missed every point you tried to lable me with, what should we think about the accuracy of your account of the world status?

Don't accept brain washed except as vice-versa but better brain washed than brain dead.

Try thinking for yourself instead of being a parrot for misinformed wackos.

Yeah, Helen is annoying, but when this kind of bratty, cowardly response is the best people can come up with, she's also winning her argument. It would be a lot easier for me to pay little or no attention to Helen if y'all didn't waste so much time bitching about her.

Pay attention in what way????

Respond to her childish antics maturely???

TRIED THAT!!

Twice.

But she says the same thing, over and over, never saying anything conducive to civilized conversation at any point in time whatsoever , "everyone hates you America, you are barbaric, everyone hates you America, you are barbaric, na na-na na-bu boo,"

OK......great. We know people don't like us, we know we invavded Iraq, we know that our media played it off a bit more lightly at first than they should have, we know that we have a debt, so what the hell is her point??

Now I don't expect you to answer, but before you lecture us on what people say to her her, think about what she has done to provoke it.

All of these idiots that are posting these anti-American threads, are really, REALLY quite irksome. All of this whining and crying about this unjust war IS NOT going to do three pennies worth of shit. We're in, and there is no way we are going to look and say, "Wow some people are mad at us, we better pack up, and pull on out now...."

THEN people go on to generalize ALL of America, when I know PLENTY of people who don't agree with the Bush Administration's ways, that is why over 2500 people were arrested for protesting in one city alone.

Honestly all of this animosity towards america does come off as jealousy, because America has made a name for itself, IS well known all around the world, and is "looked up to" as a country, a big brother, or the head quaterback of the football team. All of these assholes who say otherwise are just trying to go out of their way to fabricate fact for the sake of insult.

I am NOT saying that America is the only country with a Name Plate on its desk, however we are one of the largest, and most modernized, so people don't just ignore our existence, and actions. Meaning that when we do something, that YES may be wrong, but ALSO takes a lot of firepower, and balls to do so, people get a little upset about it. Because I really want to know what all of these idiots that want the U.S. to lose the war are going to get out of it??? Quite obviously some type of sadistic arousal.

And if you are really that pissed off about the war, go and join the Iraqi Forces, and stick your little ass out on the battlefield, becuase thats the farthest these inane antics are going to get you.

Sincerly,
Chris Cunningham

P.S.: I don't generally use foul language, but the amount of B.S. I have been seeing on this forum is being manifested through my rhetoric.

"We're in, and there is no way we are going to look and say, "Wow some people are mad at us, we better pack up, and pull on out now...."

We will do exactly that. The only difference is, now that we are "in", it will take much more disaster before we face facts. Those who reject the neoconservative fantasy now have simply recognized folly a bit sooner. For slower students of history/human nature, for xenophobes, for American supremacists, and for the generally self-absorbed and apathetic sheeple, the realization will take longer. But we will ultimately pack up and pull out- It will be another inglorious departure, and America will continue to be rejected as self-deputized World Cops wherever we try it.

Pay attention in what way????

Respond to her childish antics maturely???Who says she needs a response at all? (See Goofyfish's topic (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?goto=lastpost&threadid=19839).)

And what I mean by pay attention is that it would be easier for me to ignore all issues pertaining to Helen if people would stop making such a fuss about her.

The day I bother to think of a useful response to Helen, I'll give it. Until then, I more frequently encounter Helen-related banter than I do Helen herself, so what am I supposed to think?

Let it go. I posted a topic about Zimbabwe and one about peace in Iraq. People didn't want to deal with the issues so the discussion faded away. Every once in a while I drag them back up to the top of the list but people just ignore them.

Strangely, people will pass up a discussion about the value of human rights in justifying military action, and will pass up an opportunity to innovate a peace plan in order to complain about Helen.

People should just treat Helen the way they treat the Zimbabwe topic and the "Long road to peace" topic. I promise, you'll find it a lot easier to deal with Helen in the long run if you don't fulfill her purpose.

:m:,
Tiassa :cool:

What do you mean "the real problems?" Can you be more specific? And let me clarify my prior post because you are completely misunderstanding what I was stating. I am opened to listen to any view that's supported with actual facts but it's ridiculous to spam threads with nonsense web pages and the words "I hate the US...bleh...bleh bleh." That's not an argument no matter how much you would like to call it so.

Please reference who has said "I hate the US".
They will be dealt with along with Usama, Saddam, and Goldstein.;)

Originally posted by riverline

Snake US, Sadam is an angel compared to you.
you are obviously total moron,or dont read the news;
Sadam tortures and/or kills anyone who disagrees with him,including women and children.
if you had seen what atrocities he/his soldiers commit you would probably puke your guts out,
such as having people run thru a plastic shredder feet first,what a sweethart,
more like a psycho sadist,imo,Saddam deserves to die,and sooner the better,so Iraqi people can finaly live free.
war is unfortunately the only way to go now.

CHRISCUNNINGHAM, good argument. And I definitely agree with you you, Q25, too. You can't argue for peace now. It's too late. We're already in the midst of the war. War is ugly and people die. Psst... gotta secret for ya... ready?

It's WAR!

Those who enlisted in the military did so out of their own free will. Being called to war is usually slim but there's always some chance that people are going to be called on to serve their country. And yeah, I, too, think it's justified in order to bring down the man that idolizes Stalin and who tortures his people.

Let's just hope, now, that it will get over soon and that we can bring our soliders home as quickly as possible.

We will do exactly that. The only difference is, now that we are "in", it will take much more disaster before we face facts. Those who reject the neoconservative fantasy now have simply recognized folly a bit sooner. For slower students of history/human nature, for xenophobes, for American supremacists, and for the generally self-absorbed and apathetic sheeple, the realization will take longer. But we will ultimately pack up and pull out- It will be another inglorious departure, and America will continue to be rejected as self-deputized World Cops wherever we try it.

If so, America will become and Isolationist state as it was before World War II, and then when all of these countires such as N. Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, maybe China, etc. come out of the woodworks. Wonderful, WONDERFUL, celebrities like similar to Adolf Hitler will have their arcade, to put their Power Quarters in. Eurpope may be one of the first bosses of the levels.


And then, as the Eurpoeans start to pull their hands out of their rears, and look around for someone to give them some toliet paper, America, will just look at them, shake her head, and laugh....

I mean really, how many wars have there been in the past century that were not won until aided by America......ha I wouldn't mind to see what everyone will do if America does fall dramtically in power. The bigotry I have seen in so many is unmatched by Pro War feelings. People REALLY think that the World would be unfaltered if America wasn't as powerful as it is.

I am almost urning to see America fail too, and lose all its power, so I can watch the rest of the world squirm.

...but then again...I'm better than that.

Chris C.,

[quote]
And if you are really that pissed off about the war, go and join the Iraqi Forces, and stick your little ass out on the battlefield, becuase thats the farthest these inane antics are going to get you. [unquote]

IF you don't see the great leader OBL, and Saddam strapping on TNT, what makes you think these pink Puss____s will.


And changing the subject: HOW ABOUT THOSE POOR IRAQI's THAT TODAY HAVE STARTED TO COME OUT OF THEIR SHELLS AND ARE CELEBRATING AND WELCOMING THE GOOD OLE USA?

Care to take a crack at that before the entire country starts to celebrate the death of these piss ant bastards?

Not much time to celebrate with a civil war, insurgents from all sides, and American piss ant bastards shooting into your house (again).

Originally posted by pillowtalk
america is the bigest PARASITE country in the world which needs thirld world countries resorces to survive..

FYI those third world countries make BILLIONS of $$$ from selling US
their resourses=OIL,so wake the F up already,
and how do they repay us,
by sending bunch of terorists to blow up the WTC,Pentagon etc.
Saddam could have sat on his ass and live like a king,instead of attacking Kuvait and everyone would be happy,
but no,he has to behave like Hitler,so hes gonna end up like him too.

No, the destitute followers of the multiplying al-Qaedesque groups watched American puppets make billions of $$$$, and watched American troops come to Saudi in a bogus avoidable war and never leave. Then in rage they started the attacks that will be accelerated as American interventions continue. This process will transition the mideast from the a$$holes we installed to the rise of murderous leaders who will be at our throats from the start.

hypewaders,

[quote]
Not much time to celebrate with a civil war, insurgents from all sides, and American piss ant bastards shooting into your house (again).[unquote]


Guess you don't watch much news or do you just watch Arab stations. What a lot of lying bastards. Shssss.

Your above statement should actually be rewritten. Since you clearly don't know how let me give you a hand:

"Celebrating even while a dictator is sending in thugs to kill you if you celebrate, is even more impressive, just wait till the job is finished, which will be a matter of days, not weeks" .[unquote]


I did notice your rehetoric failed to address the truth of my first statement. They are starting to openly celebrate.

What are you poor confused bastards going to do now?

What do you mean "the real problems?" What? It doesn't bother you in the least that we're "willing" to claim to do for the world what we cannot even do for ourselves?

Many people presume the "unfortunate necessity" of war. For all the objectivity and science people are capable of, they never do tackle objectively the problems such as poverty and greed which plague societies and breed inequity and violence.

We've rigged our economy and interdependencies in such a manner that we're almost obliged to blow something up every time our economy goes south. You want a "real problem"? How about inventing me an economic system that doesn't depend on a massive poverty class to support a thin upper crust? How about the massive social problems--fractured families, drug abuse, neurosis--that come from participating in such an economy as we've cultivated? Do you realize that it is your patriotic duty to be in debt? The sooner you speak for your future labors, the better, according to this economy. How the hell do you think Clinton managed to keep the economy afloat? People thought it was a party, so they spent like bipolars on upswings. We've got a serious problem with our electoral system, a possibly felonious president-select, commercial and industrial sectors in fraudulent turmoil, a bleeding economy, tumultuous educational standards, and why is the answer to invade someone and cut taxes for the rich? Our health industry is about to come apart from its own economic pressures, we have way too many lawyers screwing everything up, a dangerous and meddling foreign policy seemingly based around Sport-Utility Vehicles, and the answer is to cut taxes for the rich and invade someone?

We have real problems that this country needs to address. One of the reasons that the American people seem so flockish and sheep-like to the international community right now is because our educational standards and news-media standards are so damned awful. Doonesbury, last week, revisited the statistic that some polls suggest that as many as 50% of Americans believe Saddam Hussein is responsible for 9/11. I've never believed the number because it seems so unbelievable, but it keeps coming up in the strangest places. Le Carre's article in The Guardian? Okay, not the most reliable assertion. Doonesbury? Hey, that tells me that somebody published that stat. Whether it's right or not is actually immaterial because I would be frightened to ever find out it's a true stat. But that's part of the point. Ten years ago I was writing bang-up papers for classes I wasn't even taking; don't ask, it's part of why I dropped out of college. But what frightened me at the time was that the difficulty people were having--honors students from public schools, even--was that they had no critical reading skills. I see it here at Sciforums every now and then when somebody is pissed at me for something I had no idea would piss someone off. But I end up wondering how it is people manage to get through an editorial sometimes. They must get pissed off at Dickens for the first sentence of Tale of Two Cities. It boggles the mind. And, as A. Whitney Brown once noted, these folks do vote.

Think of a broom for a moment, and that might help explain why this is important.

So you look at a standard dust broom, and at one end are all the straws. At the other end, they are gathered and collared. Do you know what I'm talking about?

Now, the war argument, when you look at it from one end, certainly looks like a broom. I can see the myriad points like the ends of broom-straws.

But when I move off the prescribed perspective, I find that they're just neatly-stacked broom-straws, and not gathered and collared. Each of the straws of the war argument is just that, a straw. It's not part of a connected, coherent, and functional whole. And people keep saying it's a broom because they're afraid to look at it any other way.

It's like the people who pick on the liberal bias of this or that news source. Excuse me, but some of us are well-versed in reading through that. Typically, I pity the person who picks on the WSWS just because it's the socialists. Crap, the socialists aren't that clever. I can read through them just as easily as I can read through FOX News. But many people honestly do not seem to understand the information that they have in front of them. They do not seem to understand the idea of context, much less the context of what they're seeing. And that's a huge problem that is very real right now.

Think of it, just for a second:

The United States is

- a nation with Weapons of Mass Destruction
- a nation that has used Weapons of Mass Destruction
- a nation that has produced Weapons of Mass Destruction in violation of its agreements
- a nation that has given material support to terrorists and tyrants, including Saddam Hussein
- a nation that is presently staging an invasion of Iraq in abrogation of its international commitments
- a nation that has declared its willingness to use its military to achieve social and commercial objectives in the world
- a nation that has shown its willingness to transgress its borders
- a nation that censors the information its people receive about its wars; this censorship is for propaganda value, not merely to protect combat security
- a nation that is addicted to dualisms (good/evil, with us/against us, friend/terrorist, God/Satan, Heaven/Hell, right/wrong, self/not-self, profit/loss, ad infinitum/ad nauseam)

And it's not that you do or don't see anything wrong with this; you may well have good reasons if you disagree. But we look around and we say that X% (what is it today) of Americans support the war, yet how many of them have remotely a true picture of what their government is doing? Doesn't it seem to invalidate the point that X% of Americans support the war? The conditions by which they are making their judgment are not accurate.

And the real problem is that so few people have a problem with this.

The real problem is simply that the way things are guarantees that the US will continue to behave in this way, with no regard for the international laws that were to be the foundation of Poppy Bush's "New World Order", which even some liberal news sources are now looking back upon affectionately; to think we distrusted American imperialism then! We hadn't seen anything yet.

(If I were a conspiracy nut, I'd say that suddenly the Clinton administration makes sense. Poppy blew it, and the GOP wanted to freeze Clinton as much as possible so he couldn't screw up the long-term plan. Sinister, I know, but like I said ... If I were a conspiracy nut ....)

But there is nothing honest about this war. One of the reasons I'm a general pacifist is that I have yet to come across a war that is honest. I mean, WWII is fine and dandy as such, but come on ... how much incestuous upper-crust shite-politik went into the sequence of events that became two world wars? If there's an honest war to be had, I'll support it. But the real problem becomes the American incapacity to be honest enough. There's too much at stake to enter anything with good faith, anymore. And that's a f:eek:cking tragedy. And we need to do something about it.

The New American Century is violent, and will rely on an almost religious patriotism. We are slowly becoming everything we claim to fear,and it seems to be okay with most people.

Ask around the world: that's a real problem.I am opened to listen to any view that's supported with actual facts but it's ridiculous to spam threads with nonsense web pages and the words "I hate the US...bleh...bleh bleh." That's not an argument no matter how much you would like to call it so. Actually, I consider it about as useless as the most part of the pro-war argument. While it's true that the pro-war argument does use facts, there is no evidence that it uses facts well, appropriately, functionally, or even decently.

When there's a fire-and-brimstone preacher shouting at the Devil down on the streetcorner, telling you that you're going to hell for (insert reason here), is it worth your time to stand there and yell back at him? Or do you walk on by? (I should account for the possibility that you would seek fellowship and salvation through his advice; I cannot rule out the possibility, but the example just doesn't work well for either of our purposes right now if it plays out that way.)

There's lots of stuff going on here that doesn't constitute an argument, but a Christian Arab with an anti-American bent is the most obvious one to pick on.

But when people devote this much attention to someone like Helen, they're doing exactly what she wants. Unless people are truly evil, some of these pictures of destruction will qualify as ugly; unless people are truly stupid, some of Helen's ill-expressed issues will register in the people she's pissing off. And in the end, she's making people think about it at all. Sometimes that's all that's necessary.

Look at the Palestinians: it isn't that their suicide-bombings opened people's hearts, but that after how long people finally realized they couldn't deny that, well, the Palestinians had a point. How long did the IRA keep it up before the media age made it impossible to excuse the British? But I still remember seeing the looks on British soldiers' faces; intervening in Northern Ireland with orders to suppress the people who were allegedly on their side. It was a little strange the first couple of times, but soon enough the world started figuring it out.

People don't want to think about these issues at all. That Helen's reminding them of such issues gets them angry enough to behave that way merely indicates that she's striking a nerve.

:m:,
Tiassa :cool:

tiassa,

I have the same reaction to stupidity that I have to drunks. Can't stand em unless I'm drunk too.

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Please explain in 30 words or less what this or anythingelse in chapter 1 above has to do with the fact that a bunch of stupid Allha praising assholes came over here and killed 3,000 Americans just because they have been promised 70 virgins or whatever. They ought to try viagra and forget all this BS.

Any person, government, country or continent that comes over here and kills is going to get their puny asses kicked - end of story.

Learn to like it. That is the way it is and I'm damn glad about that.

Guess you like the 19/3,000 odds better. Well you anin't ever getting them again. Try 100,000/50 our favor. See how long it is before the world is peaceful once more. See if Allahahahahaha
gives a shit.

You might also make note of the following:

1 - France made a statement today. "We are in favor of the liberation of Iraq and the Americans are not the enemy".

Seems like they may be starting to realize we are winning because these pussies always want to be on the winning side.

2 - We just wiped out 220 terroist in N Iraq in a factory that was making "Ricin" one of the worlds deadliest poisons; which just has happened to show up in London and Paris.

Lets address these issues and put forth your solution before you start blabing BS about the US and these poor countries that we are picking on. Grow up.

What are you poor confused bastards going to do now?
We are going to continue to insist that reason is preferable to brutality.

MacM: Addressing these issues, putting forth a solution, is all about these poor countries that we are picking on. Indeed, we must grow up.

Please explain in 30 words or less what this or anythingelse in chapter 1 above has to do with the fact that a bunch of stupid Allha praising assholes came over here and killed 3,000 Americans just because they have been promised 70 virgins or whatever.-Israeli atrocities against Palestinians
- US support of Israelis
- Mossadegh
- Pahlavi
- Rumsfeld and Hussein
- US military in Arab countries

Is that less than 30? Looks like 18 to me.Any person, government, country or continent that comes over here and kills is going to get their puny asses kicked - end of story.That explains why we're invading Iraq ...? :bugeye: Learn to like it. That is the way it is and I'm damn glad about that. I would prefer that we nail Osama bin Laden. See how long it is before the world is peaceful once moreYes, we will.See if Allahahahahaha gives a shit. Can you war pigs ever do anything without hatred?Seems like they may be starting to realize we are winning because these pussies always want to be on the winning side.Can you war pigs do anything without hatred?Lets address these issues and put forth your solution before you start blabing BS about the US and these poor countries that we are picking on. Grow upIt's an old complaint by the war party, which refuses to consider ideas put before it which have the possibility of leading to peace. You're a little late on that one, MacM.

I've put a rough outline before our forums, and invited people to contribute. They do not seem to wish to do so. It's a shame, though, that they seem to require of peace what they refuse to require of war. Namely, a guarantee that it will work. I keep wondering about that slight of integrity, but the war pigs do nothing to combat it, and seem to enjoy it.

:m:,
Tiassa :cool:

hypewaders
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What are you poor confused bastards going to do now?
We are going to continue to insist that reason is preferable to brutality.

Ans: I noticed that you failed to address the "Celebrations" now starting up in Iraq. Wonder why. Seems they would have every reason to not celebrate if your view held any water at all - which it doesn't.


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hypewaders
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MacM: Addressing these issues, putting forth a solution, is all about these poor countries that we are picking on. Indeed, we must grow up.


Ans: I haven't seen one solution posted by these anti-war sheep. Lets see we can roll over and play dead or become their servants since they are Gods (Allaha's Chosen people), and we must dismantle Isreal, and we can feed them, setup a US wellfare program, whatelse might they find adequate. Oh we could all go commit suicide so they wouldn't have to blow themselves up killing all the infidels.......

Show me one solution that is realated to terrosim today and how to stop it without giving up our soverenty and freedom.



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tiassa
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MacM

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-Israeli atrocities against Palestinians

Ans: And suicide bombings aren't atrocities? Don't get me wrong, I don't believe Isreal or any religious nation should ever be formed and putting Isreal where they did and how they did in my opinion was the height of ignorance. But that has nothing to do with today. I didn't do it, you didn't do it and neither one of us is going to change that. This is not unlike the indians being pissed off at us because we came over here and took everything from them, and they are right but again it wasn't me and I'll be damned if I am going to hand it all back. It is a new world learn to live with it. Or change it in ways other than attacks on others. Attacks begats attacks. And you have attacked the wrong country.

- US support of Israelis

Ans: I would be tougher on the Isrealies but I would wipe out all the radicals that didn't stop their religious BS too.



- Mossadegh
- Pahlavi
- Rumsfeld and Hussein

Ans:? No Idea what that is about.

- US military in Arab countries

Ans: So? We are invited guests (except for Iraq at this point. We are not colonial.)

Is that less than 30? Looks like 18 to me.


Ans: Looks like more irrelevant BS to me. Where is your proposal to deal with the issues at hand. "Ricin" in London and Paris. the WTC's?


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That explains why we're invading Iraq ...?


Ans: Can you provide a better "Valid" reason? He supports terroist and he has attempted at one point to assinate the President of the US and he invades his neighbors, kills his own people and threatens us. Anybody that vile and stupid enough to believe his Gods will make him victorious over the US is a menace to the world and has to go. End of story.



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I would prefer that we nail Osama bin Laden.

Ans:We are. Some of his boys just got their ass shot off in Iraq. What the hell were they doing there. And if some other countries in the region don't wake up I am afraid they too will learn a difficult lesson. If they do leqrn their lesson OBL will be marched to the border and handed over. If not we will march in and get him.


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Yes, we will.


Ans: If by this you are suggesting some sort of vengance, it will give me even greater pleasure to share our solution with the next asshole that steps out of line. When are you going to realize you ain't got what it takes bubba.


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Can you war pigs ever do anything without hatred?


Ans: I didn't kill 3,000 Americans, I am only saying those responsible and those that celebrated the event. that encourage and support such things will be irradicated from the planet earth. Then the "Civilized" world can live in peace.


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Can you war pigs do anything without hatred?

Ans: If the truth hurts so be it. That isn't hatred.


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It's an old complaint by the war party, which refuses to consider ideas put before it which have the possibility of leading to peace. You're a little late on that one, MacM.


Ans: Gee, I still don't see a suggestion, at least one that makes any sense in the real world. The only one that works is the one we are using. It is unfortunate but more than necessary, it is way over due. Afganistan had the opportunity to hand over OBL and his twits. It was their choice to not do that where are those smart guys now?



I've put a rough outline before our forums, and invited people to contribute. They do not seem to wish to do so. It's a shame, though, that they seem to require of peace what they refuse to require of war. Namely, a guarantee that it will work. I keep wondering about that slight of integrity, but the war pigs do nothing to combat it, and seem to enjoy it.


Ans: You bet your ass I enjoy it. I think we should be ever bit as cold, cruel and inhumane as these stupid bastards. Lets take them and one by one lower them into a running plastic shredder.

That is what your buddy does to people he doesn't like. He is getting what he deserves and has asked for, stop your piss ass crying.

Originally posted by Tadpole_Terror
Keep sharing your bread and drowning in envious self rightious propoganda pillowtalk. From the depiction of your own country I would hazard that even the so-called "homeless" in America have a better future than your people. Why is that?

Typical Barabic Americans:

HUNGER IN BARBARIC AMERICA:

www.hungerinamerica.org

THE U.S. is the most debted country on earth:

The Outstanding Public Debt as of 01 Apr 2003 at 07:01:07 AM GMT is:

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/debtc.gif

The estimated population of the United States is 290,622,876
so each citizen's share of this debt is $22,251.63.

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$1.31 billion per day since September 30, 2002!

So, self-illusioned burger-eating, flag-waving ignorant American, go feed your AFRICAN-STYLE hunger first before you open your mouth.

How many murderes took place today in your ' civilized free' country ?????

Originally posted by MacM
Helen,

Since you don't know me and you missed every point you tried to lable me with, what should we think about the accuracy of your account of the world status?

Don't accept brain washed except as vice-versa but better brain washed than brain dead.

Try thinking for yourself instead of being a parrot for misinformed wackos.

Ok, I am thinking of myself now, and I came up with this:

http://www.theodora.com/flags/us-bx.gif

I love burning this shitty terrorist flag.

Helen,

I told you you didn't know me. I don't rally around a piece of cloth. I'll rally around all those grave sites of stupid idiots that think they can beat us because god is on their side. Shssssh

Originally posted by CHRISCUNNINGHAM
Pay attention in what way????


Honestly all of this animosity towards america does come off as jealousy, because America has made a name for itself, IS well known all around the world, and is "looked up to" as a country, a big brother, or the head quaterback of the football team. All of these assholes who say otherwise are just trying to go out of their way to fabricate fact for the sake of insult.



Jealousy ??? stupid barbaric Americans,it is not about Jealousy, otherwise, we will hate JAPAN, or Germany, they too are very rich and very advanced.....it is about YOU, YOU BARBARIC AMERICAS AND THE WAY YOU LOOK AT OUR WORLD.

do you dare to go out from your cave after dark ?? do you know that you have more guns in your barbaric America than your population ?

WHY ??? Why do you need to have guns ??? I know why ? because you are all pathetic animals living in big scary jungel where lawless American creatures criminaly roam your streets.

-How many women were absurd today in your 'free civilized' country ????

Wonder if it's occurred to anyone that by the time the checkbook is balanced on this expensive war against the Iraq regime, after the cost of the humanitarian aid is tallied in, along with the cost of rebuilding, and ofcourse don't forget the life insurance to fallen soldiers families, (this list goes on and on) that no way will the US be making much of a profit. OIL you say? What is up with that? I mean, well I'm sure the next government in Iraq will be friendlier with the US than Sodamninsane...eerr...I mean Saddam...and yeah, probably get some cheaper oil prices. But who knows what faction will take Iraq over from there and when. Even if some cheaper oil prices come the US's way, for how long? Long enough to not only pay all the above expenses but profit? Who goes to all that expense for something that surely is not a sure thing? C'mon, this oil thing is getting old, I feel that those who hate the US can come up with something better than that. I just know it.

Originally posted by MacM
Helen,

I told you you didn't know me. I don't rally around a piece of cloth. I'll rally around all those grave sites of stupid idiots that think they can beat us because god is on their side. Shssssh

You are so much misinformed about the arab and the muslim world, no wonder, such burger-eating, flag waving Americans are getting their CRAP from the CNN and FOX JEWS.

did you try to get alternative news sources ? did you try to ask an arab or muslim about their feelings ?? did you try to log in on the internet and search for arab news ?

Did you try to hear the ' OTHER' side of the story ???

Did you read this for example ?

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200109/16/eng20010916_80307.html

Or did you read even this ?

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_against_Arabs

You are brain-washed American, who look at the world from the eyes of jewish-controled American media which frames the arabs/muslims as beast ruthless terrorists....wake up, wake up and open your eyes to see the ' REAL' world.

- Mossadegh
- Pahlavi
- Rumsfeld and Hussein

Ans:? No Idea what that is about. It is actually important to the current situation. To work backwards:

- How did Hussein get WMD? He got them from the US.
- Why did the US support Hussein? He was the lesser of two evils; if Iraq lost its war with Iran, the Iranian revolution would become a serious threat to financial and security interests.
- Why was Hussein at war with Iran? He feared the charismatic Shi'ite Ayatollah Khomeni, who overthrew Shah Reza Pahlavi, and the Iranian revolution.
- Why was the Iranian revolution dangerous? Because it was Shi'ite, empowered, and had just overthrown Shah Reza Pahlavi.
- Why was the Shah overthrown? With US and UK help, the Shah built the world's third most powerful army. Both sides of the Cold War had an interest in Iranian petroleum. The Shah began to westernize Iran and operated a hideous secret police organization, Savak, to help secure his power.
- Why did the US support the Shah? For good petrol prices.
- So who the heck is Mossadegh? Mossadegh is the popularly-elected Prime Minister of Iran overthrown with the United States, leading to the Shah's reign of terror. Ironically, General H. Norman Schwarzkopf took part in the coup.

Link: Overthrow of the Iranian Government (ColdWar Museum) (http://www.coldwar.org/articles/50s/iranian_overthrow.php3) Ans: Looks like more irrelevant BS to me. I'm sure it would to someone who had no idea what half of it meant.Where is your proposal to deal with the issues at hand. "Ricin" in London and Paris. the WTC's?Hey, I'm not the one putting up WTC as an excuse to invade Iraq ... are you seeking my peace proposal?Can you provide a better "Valid" reason?When did he "come over here"? Could you please explain how Any person, government, country or continent that comes over here and kills is going to get their puny asses kicked - end of story covers Iraq?We are We haven't yet. Period. Invading Iraq won't bring us bin Laden.If by this you are suggesting some sort of vengance, it will give me even greater pleasure to share our solution with the next asshole that steps out of line. When are you going to realize you ain't got what it takes bubba.Is that some sort of threat?

What the hell is it with you war pigs?

Certainly, we will see how long it is before the world stops fighting. It might not come during your lifetime, you know. It might not come during my daughter's. And it sure ain't going to come while a bunch of American hawks are rabidly plotting to take over the damned world.I didn't kill 3,000 Americans, I am only saying those responsible and those that celebrated the event. that encourage and support such things will be irradicated from the planet earth. Then the "Civilized" world can live in peace.So say it a little less hatefully, and show that hatred isn't your motive.If the truth hurts so be it. That isn't hatred. Right. Calling people who disagree with you "pussies" isn't hatred.

You're right. It's childish.Gee, I still don't see a suggestion, at least one that makes any sense in the real world. You should try looking.The only one that works is the one we are using. Yes. It really, really works. That's why all the wars in the world have brought us to peace and harmony. :rolleyes: It is unfortunate but more than necessary, it is way over due. Necessary like South Park cannibalism. And no, I wouldn't expect you to know what that means, either.Afganistan had the opportunity to hand over OBL and his twits. It was their choice to not do that where are those smart guys now?What, just because we wouldn't offer evidence supporting our extradition request? Furthermore, do you pretend the Taleban could have delivered bin Laden to US custody? That's what cracks me up about the war pigs: any excuse for the wallow.You bet your ass I enjoy it. I think we should be ever bit as cold, cruel and inhumane as these stupid bastards. Lets take them and one by one lower them into a running plastic shredder.Hey, whatever gets you off.That is what your buddy does to people he doesn't like. I'm sorry, who's that?

And if you're relying on that tired old, "Agree with me or you must support Saddam" line, perhaps you should reconsider your second-rate disrespect and the fact that you're only making yourself out to be an utterly stupid prig who obviously doesn't care about the issues as much as he does arguing with the poster. What is it about you war pigs that you can't actually argue the issues, but have to invent issues to pretend to argue against?He is getting what he deserves and has asked for, stop your piss ass crying.Yep. And we got what we deserved on 9/11, so stop your petty whining.

Hell, son, you're the one who doesn't know the history of the situation you're cheerleading. Just a reminder: Mossadegh
- Pahlavi
- Rumsfeld and Hussein

Ans:? No Idea what that is about. Maybe you should make an effort to learn about what goes into this war before rushing to support it. You'd look much less foolish in the long run.

You are the new poster boy for Ignorance. You know that, don't you?

:m:,
Tiassa :cool:

Originally posted by tiassa
Hell, son, you're the one who doesn't know the history of the situation you're cheerleading.

Aaah...tiassa, after that "son" comment, you'd better be prepared for a long intro from MacM about how he's a senior who was once a millionare, listed as one of the personalities of the south, bla..bla..bla..

Those in the Physics & Math know him so well...:)

If that's the worst of it, I'll consider myself entertained, at least. Oh, well.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

1119,

Not with this obsessed ingnoramous. The only thing that counts here is that you agree with her "Lets all say how sorry we are for how the world would be so much better off if we let such ignoramouses run it.


PS:[quote]Aaah...tiassa, after that "son" comment, you'd better be prepared for a long intro from MacM about how he's a senior who was once a millionare, listed as one of the personalities of the south, bla..bla..bla.. [unquote]

That seems to stick in your craw for some reason but don't see you showing anything to the contrary either. Wonder why.

Further none of that has anything to do with the subject at hand.

And finally that information was only provided to contrast ch's bullshit regarding false lables just like Helen thinks is effective. It isn't. She is merely labeling herself. To dumb to recognize that fact.

Helen is an old broken record that plays the same shit over and over again. Aren't there a rule on this site for excessive repeating of same pictures and words.

as long as macm and his ilk spread thier "eye for an eye" fanaticism and hatred on this board, i think helen should be allowed to counter in kind.

Originally posted by MacM
Ans: You bet your ass I enjoy it. I think we should be ever bit as cold, cruel and inhumane as these stupid bastards. Lets take them and one by one lower them into a running plastic shredder.

you try to hide your murderous impulses behind flimsy excuses? ie: "they are doing it, why shouldnt we".

;)

posted by MacM: Any person, government, country or continent that comes over here and kills is going to get their puny asses kicked - end of story.

I wish the rest of the world felt the same way about this as you do. Maybe then some of you brainwashed people would wake up and see the world for what it is.

People who for some reason are under the impression that the USA had no reason to be attacked on 9/11 or any other day for that matter. I worry, with all the evil that this gov. has done that when that same evil returns to us, there's gonna be nothing left of the USA.

posted by MacM: Guess you don't watch much news or do you just watch Arab stations. What a lot of lying bastards.

Damn your Brainwashed!

I've chosen to give the same type of answers that these pro-war-baby-killing-devil-loving-idiots give.

Originally posted by dkb218
People who for some reason are under the impression that the USA had no reason to be attacked on 9/11 or any other day for that matter. I worry, with all the evil that this gov. has done that when that same evil returns to us, there's gonna be nothing left of the USA.

Damn your Brainwashed!

I've chosen to give the same type of answers that these pro-war-baby-killing-devil-loving-idiots give.

I really have a problem with an African Amerian who lives in New York and handles 911 so lightly. Are you saying that 911 attack was for a valid reason and all those people that dies deserved to die. What kind of nut are you? I want to know the name of mosque you go to and the name of the guy that gives the Friday prayer speech, are you sure, you're not being brain washed yourself every Friday noon.

Originally posted by hypewaders
"We're in, and there is no way we are going to look and say, "Wow some people are mad at us, we better pack up, and pull on out now...."

We will do exactly that. The only difference is, now that we are "in", it will take much more disaster before we face facts. Those who reject the neoconservative fantasy now have simply recognized folly a bit sooner. For slower students of history/human nature, for xenophobes, for American supremacists, and for the generally self-absorbed and apathetic sheeple, the realization will take longer. But we will ultimately pack up and pull out- It will be another inglorious departure, and America will continue to be rejected as self-deputized World Cops wherever we try it.

No. We won't. We won't pull out until Saddam's regime is pulled down. I don't know if the US will get the western-style democracy it aims for, but it will get rid of Saddam. At this point, to pull out short of removing the present regime would ultimately do more damage to the US than staying in and finishing the job. And while I'm not happy about being World Cops, apparently the UN or the Europeans don't have the stomach for it.

Originally posted by Helen
Jealousy ??? stupid barbaric Americans,it is not about Jealousy, otherwise, we will hate JAPAN, or Germany, they too are very rich and very advanced.....it is about YOU, YOU BARBARIC AMERICAS AND THE WAY YOU LOOK AT OUR WORLD.


Helen relax,
US is coming soon to Seria and Lebanon to free you from your own corrupt thoughts. Just hold on...Don't be too jealous off the Iraqi p