I've heard here that the USA has bombed over 50 countries since WWII.
Is there a link out there to a comprehensive list covering this issue?(please no Alex jones or radical Islamic sites)

Some of you may have a list archived. That would be helpful, as well.

Thanks

Hey, why not bomb them? It's fun.

Hey, why not bomb them? It's fun.

yes cause there is nothing brown people love better than flee from falling explosives

I've read the commentary. I just want a list,guys.
So far I'm only comming up with around 30.

have you heard the news? Iran is aching to be bombed as well.

have you heard the news? Iran is aching to be bombed as well.

They're already on the list from 1987 and 2003. Tripps to win, I guess.

China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Belgian Congo 1964
Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1981-92
Nicaragua 1981-90
Libya 1986
Iran 1987-88
Libya 1989
Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991-2002
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1992-94
Croatia 1994 (of Serbs at Krajina)
Bosnia 1995
Iran 1998 (airliner)
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia 1999
Afghanistan 2001-02
Iraq 2003
Pakistan (tribal areas) 2008

I wonder...if Russia bombs USA under the same excuse USA bombed Japan with nukes...would that be forgotten in the same way Japanese have?

Guys and Girls...lets all live 10 km underneath Earth ground...that way we will be safe for sure.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2006/060409-nuclear-strikes-iran_telegraph.jpg

I wonder...if Russia bombs USA under the same excuse USA bombed Japan with nukes...would that be forgotten in the same way Japanese have?


Americans can't even forget about 9/11, how could they possibly forget a nuclear attack. The rest of the World would have to put up with their crying, whinging and bitching for a good 50+ years. Actually make that 100 years.

It's interesting that a couple of these countries got huge handouts at the end of the war: total reconstruction. And yet, no matter what we do, East Korea has never been bombed. Oh, sure: they've thought about it, but it's hardly our fault we have no strategic advantages or natural resources worth pillaging.

Bombs are so much more valuable than dictators. How could U.S be so stupid?

OK, we're still around the number 30. Maybe we can add the countries that have been bombed with US weaponry. Will that get us up around 50?
This info,though, could get harder to find.

OK, we're still around the number 30. Maybe we can add the countries that have been bombed with US weaponry. Will that get us up around 50?
This info,though, could get harder to find.


Where did you get the 50 from? Is 30 means ok?
More importantly, you need to see the frequency and period of the bombing in each country.

I was reading an old thread (i think it was here) where the USA was being painted as a global oppressor. That stat bothered me and I'm trying to find out if it's true (or could even be viewed as accurate including second hand military action.)

Also, I like to know where "blowback" can be expected, be it domestic or abroad.

Hey, why not bomb them? It's fun.

So you would not care if the US bombed your nation? Believe me, they can't be trusted.

Our division allows the US to take advantage of us. We must be UNITED as a Semitic force in order to take control of THEM!

I was reading an old thread (i think it was here) where the USA was being painted as a global oppressor. That stat bothered me and I'm trying to find out if it's true (or could even be viewed as accurate including second hand military action.)

Also, I like to know where "blowback" can be expected, be it domestic or abroad.

Those who have power use it. It's not an American thing, it's a human thing. Every single Empire that had the means to militarily force their will on another continent has done so. The Egyptians, Romans, Persians, Mongols,Japanese, Germans, Britts, Americans etc. It's within our D.N.A..

I wonder...if Russia bombs USA under the same excuse USA bombed Japan with nukes...would that be forgotten in the same way Japanese have?

First of all no one's forgotten it. Second of all, there is no comparable situation in which Russia may have a justified opportunity to nuke America.

It's interesting that a couple of these countries got huge handouts at the end of the war: total reconstruction. And yet, no matter what we do, East Korea has never been bombed. Oh, sure: they've thought about it, but it's hardly our fault we have no strategic advantages or natural resources worth pillaging.

Yeah, how about that! :rolleyes:

First of all no one's forgotten it. Second of all, there is no comparable situation in which Russia may have a justified opportunity to nuke America.

like I said...USA is doing now what Japan did earlier...assaulting everyone and bombing every country it sees unfit. Well Japan got stopped over their evil actions? right? Nuked them Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Lets nuke USA for their evil actions too...Washington D.C, New York, and Los Angeles.

This thread is like a meeting of sociopaths and blood thirsty dictators. except for maybe three people.

This thread is like a meeting of sociopaths and blood thirsty dictators. except for maybe three people.

including yourself?

including yourself?

four people.

yeah,Ghost gave me a list that was pretty much in line with my research.
I don't care if it's locked, cesspooled or deleted. It's a touchy subject, I understand that.

How many countries have been attacked by Moslem suicide bomb attacks?

Afghanistan, Algeria, Argentina, Bangladesh, China, Colombia, Croatia, Egypt, India, Indonesia, Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Kenya, Kuwait, Lebanon, Morocco, Pakistan, the Palestinian territories, Panama, the Philippines, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sri Lanka, Tanzania, Tunisia, Turkey, United Kingdom, Uzbekistan, Yemen, and the United States).

t's a touchy subject, I understand that.

oh yeah, its touchy:crazy: Best thing the U.S can do is just sit back and watch, watch everyone crying for help and nothing happen.

How many countries have been attacked by Moslem suicide bombers?

how many countries have been attacked by Christians?

ah, its not my problem so i should stay out of it and mind my business. Too depressing to even post it.

How many countries have been attacked by Moslem suicide bomb attacks?

Afghanistan, Algeria, Argentina, Bangladesh, China, Colombia, Croatia, Egypt, India, Indonesia, Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Kenya, Kuwait, Lebanon, Morocco, Pakistan, the Palestinian territories, Panama, the Philippines, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sri Lanka, Tanzania, Tunisia, Turkey, United Kingdom, Uzbekistan, Yemen, and the United States).


You forgot Poland.

What the hell has your post got to do with anything?!?

You regard this thread as being an attack on the US so you draw up a list of countries attacked by 'Moslem suicide bomb attacks'. Like that makes any sense. But then again, you are an evangelical... :rolleyes:

You forgot Poland.

What the hell has your post got to do with anything?!?

You regard this thread as being an attack on the US so you draw up a list of countries attacked by 'Moslem suicide bomb attacks'. Like that makes any sense. But then again, you are an evangelical... :rolleyes:

when was poland hit?

when was poland hit?

:shrug:

Gee, maybe it is only 30 or so.

That'd be a relief. If it was 50, you'd be able to make a case for something wrong with US behavior. But only 30 ? No problem.

How many countries have been attacked by Moslem suicide bomb attacks?

Afghanistan, Algeria, Argentina, Bangladesh, China, Colombia, Croatia, Egypt, India, Indonesia, Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Kenya, Kuwait, Lebanon, Morocco, Pakistan, the Palestinian territories, Panama, the Philippines, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sri Lanka, Tanzania, Tunisia, Turkey, United Kingdom, Uzbekistan, Yemen, and the United States).

Based on that information, what do you postulate the total bodycount is?

Funny how when the U.S. bombs the bad guys, lefties go nuts.
But when terrorists (or other bad guys) deliberately bomb innocent civilians, lefties have nothing to say, or find a way to blame the U.S.
I think their "concern" over U.S. bombings is motivated more by politics, and not morality.

WTF? we haven't bombed Canada or Mexico yet?

Gee, maybe it is only 30 or so.

That'd be a relief. If it was 50, you'd be able to make a case for something wrong with US behavior. But only 30 ? No problem.

I'm more of an isolationist type myself, but the exploitation of dangerous science makes me feel lucky we have the military that we have, as big as they may be.
However it makes you at risk of being pulled itno a lot of conflicts as well as creating a window for dishonest motives.
Look, i try to see both sides of the story, and I'm not trying to run away from the facts.

Look, i try to see both sides of the story, and I'm not trying to run away from the facts. You don't have to - unless you try hard, the facts are not going to come to you to be run from. You're under the US propaganda umbrella.

Try Noam Chomsky's side of the story. Lots of facts, there, to be not run from once you've stumbled across them.

You forgot Poland.

What the hell has your post got to do with anything?!?

You regard this thread as being an attack on the US so you draw up a list of countries attacked by 'Moslem suicide bomb attacks'. Like that makes any sense. But then again, you are an evangelical... :rolleyes:

And your a Islamic Fundamentalist who see nothing wrong as long as it is a Muslem doing the killing, in the name of Allah and Mohammad.

You don't have to - unless you try hard, the facts are not going to come to you to be run from. You're under the US propaganda umbrella.

Try Noam Chomsky's side of the story. Lots of facts, there, to be not run from once you've stumbled across them.

I don't buy that. I've been told that the fedGov is evil since I can remember. Everyone here thinks they're a revolutionary but they're too busy playing sonyPSwhatever to even vote. That's the thinking I'm trying to fight my way out of.
But hey,because you asked, I'll read a little more Chompsky even though it's never held my interest in the past.

But hey,because you asked, I'll read a little more Chompsky even though it's never held my interest in the past. He's deadly dull. But lots of facts.

The collections of interviews are easier reads.

I don't buy that. I've been told that the fedGov is evil since I can remember. Everyone here thinks they're a revolutionary but they're too busy playing sonyPSwhatever to even vote. That's the thinking I'm trying to fight my way out of.
But hey,because you asked, I'll read a little more Chompsky even though it's never held my interest in the past.

hey i play my ps3(which is awesome) and i vote(even awesomer)

Based on that information, what do you postulate the total bodycount is?

Jun 28 - Jul 04 Jihad Attacks: 42, Dead Bodies: 239, Critically Injured: 248

June 2008 Jihad Attacks: 176, Countries: 17, Religions: 5, Dead Bodies: 823,
Critically Injured: 1195

Since 9/11 there have been more than, 11,407, terrorist attacks around the world,

20th Century

Massacre of the Armenians continued in the early 20th century. In 1904 and in 1909 CE, about 30,000 Armenians were slaughtered in Adana. The most horrible mass murder of Armenians occurred in 1915, which can be rightly described as the first genocide of the 20th century. More than 1,000,000 (one million) Armenians were systematically massacred – thousands were shot to death, drowned (included Children), thrown over the cliffs and the survivors were deported or reduced to slavery

What is the death toll from Islam, 14 centuries of killing in the name of Allah?

200,000 in the Sudan..........89,000 in Iraq............The Invasion of India, How many Hindu's died.................every where Islam touches, the innocent die, even as we speak Moslems are killing people of other religions because they are not Moslems and refuse to bow to Islam, Allah and Mohammad.

People try to play the moral relitivism game and point away to other's, but it is still Islam, today, that kills people, soley based on their religion, and refusal to bow to Islam, Allah and Mohammad.

It is Islam that will tolorate no other religion but Islam, and is still killing to achieve that end.

Concept of "Islamic State"
"An Islamic state is essentially an ideological state, and is thus radically different from a national state." This statement made by Mawdudi lays the basic foundation for the political, economical, social, and religious system of all Islamic countries which impose the Islamic law. This ideological system intentionally discriminates between people according to their religious affiliations. Mawdudi, a prominent Pakistani Muslim scholar, summarizes the basic differences between Islamic and secular states as follows:

1)
An Islamic state is ideological. People who reside in it are divided into Muslims, who believe in its ideology and non-Muslims who do not believe.

2)
Responsibility for policy and administration of such a state "should rest primarily with those who believe in the Islamic ideology." Non-Muslims, therefore, cannot be asked to undertake or be entrusted with the responsibility of policymaking.

3)
An Islamic state is bound to distinguish (i.e. discriminates) between Muslims and non-Muslims. However the Islamic law "Shari`a" guarantees to non-Muslims "certain specifically stated rights beyond which they are not permitted to meddle in the affairs of the state because they do not subscribe to its ideology." Once they embrace the Islamic faith, they "become equal participants in all matters concerning the state and the government."

So it's either become a Moslem or die.

Dr. Salih Al-Sadlan, professor of Shari`a at the School of Islamic Law, Riyadh, cites the same verses and asserts that it is not permissible for a infidel (in this case is a Christian) to be in charge over Muslims whether in the private or public sector. Such an act:

"entails the humiliaton of the Muslim and the exaltation of the infidel (Christian). This infidel may exploit his position to humiliate and insult the Muslims who work under his administration. It is advisable to the company owner to fear God Almighty and to authorize only a Muslim over the Muslims. Also, the injunctions issued by the ruler, provides that an infidel should not be in charge when there is a Muslim available to assume the command. Our advice to the company owner is to remove this infidel and to replace him with a Muslim."

So yes how many have died?

when was poland hit?


I was just playing with our friend Buffs.

And your a Islamic Fundamentalist who see nothing wrong as long as it is a Muslem doing the killing, in the name of Allah and Mohammad.


That's right. Killing is okay if it is in self-defence or when you're defending your country. Note that no Iraqi or Afghani has planted bombs in the US, those Iraqi and Afghani patriots that fight, wound and kill US troops don't need to justify themselves to anyone. The US invaded their countries, they have every right to fight back.

Since 9/11 there have been more than, 11,407, terrorist attacks around the world,


And it's all because of Islam right? :rolleyes:

As I've said before countless times, you have a very simplistic, black and white, good vs. evil view of the World. You lump all Muslims together, that is 1 billion plus mateys under one umbrella. And you wonder why no one debates with you?!?!

(those cut and paste jobs are a real eyesore)

20th Century

Massacre of the Armenians continued in the early 20th century. In 1904 and in 1909 CE, about 30,000 Armenians were slaughtered in Adana. The most horrible mass murder of Armenians occurred in 1915, which can be rightly described as blah blah blah


And that was because of Islam? Allah and Mohammad?

Atrocities have been committed against innocent people for centuries, our history is full of such brutal episodes, but dragging such things out in order to malign a religion and its followers today is just illogical and silly.

So yes how many have died?


So how many have died? You said there have been 11,407 terrorist attacks committed around the World. I figure that believe is grossly exaggerated, then again you probably just pulled it off some right-wing hate site. So were these 158,9434943 terrorist attacks committed by one person that represents all Muslims, World-wide? were those 8232,30403i3i504358,348394839 terrorist attacks committed in the name of Islam and all Muslims? How many did those 4932149247892347892385290385932085294358 terrorist attacks kill? what percentage of them were Muslims?

Buffs, when its all said and done, we all know that terrorism is the war of the poor. If these guys, no matter what cause, had any other way of fighting I'm sure that most would be much more direct and target what they consider to be their real enemies.

:cool:

Back on topic:

History will testify to the fact the US was responsible for the most brutal attack in our history, that is the most brutal attack in the history of Mankind, the atomic bombing of Hiroshima. They killed 140,000 innocent people with one bomb.

The release at 08:15 (Hiroshima time) was uneventful, and the gravity bomb known as "Little Boy", a gun-type fission weapon with 60 kg (130 pounds) of uranium-235, took 57 seconds to fall from the aircraft to the predetermined detonation height about 600 meters (1,900 ft) above the city. Due to crosswind, it missed the aiming point, the Aioi Bridge, by almost 800 feet and detonated directly over Shima Surgical Clinic.[18] It created a blast equivalent to about 13 kilotons of TNT. (The U-235 weapon was considered very inefficient, with only 1.38% of its material fissioning.)[19] The radius of total destruction was about 1.6 km (1 mile), with resulting fires across 11.4 km² (4.4 square miles).[20] Infrastructure damage was estimated at 90 percent of Hiroshima's buildings being either damaged or completely destroyed.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Hiroshima_aftermath.jpg

Bastards.

Now list all of the countries that Germany and Japan have bombed and the number of casualties from same. Oh, but that was a long time ago, you say? So were all of the actions of WWll.

I was reading an old thread (i think it was here) where the USA was being painted as a global oppressor. That stat bothered me and I'm trying to find out if it's true (or could even be viewed as accurate including second hand military action.)

Also, I like to know where "blowback" can be expected, be it domestic or abroad.

Usually the global oppression refers to military interventions and CIA death squads.

For the interventions, here (http://members.aol.com/bblum6/American_holocaust.htm) is a list. For CIA death squads, you could start here (http://www.serendipity.li/cia.html). The death squads are currently operating in Afghanistan (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/may2008/afgh-m19.shtml) and probably Iraq (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/apr2003/cia-a08.shtml) and Iran.

Wow.. Oscars should be given out to forumites here for melodramatic awards.

Reading the crud here is amazing. Some of you are very good candidates for Robert Mugabes propaganda team. That way you can blame the West, white people.. and anyone who is better off than you for anything you want.

Ah, the "crud"

In the decades after Greene wrote "Our Man in Havana," Latin Americans coined an equally resonant word to describe the terror that had come to reign over most of the continent. Throughout the second half of the Cold War, Washington's anti-communist allies killed more than 300,000 civilians, many of whom were simply desaparecido -- "disappeared." The expression was already well known in Latin America when, on accepting his 1982 Nobel Prize for Literature in Sweden, Colombian novelist Gabriel García Márquez reported that the region's "disappeared number nearly one hundred and twenty thousand, which is as if suddenly no one could account for all the inhabitants of Uppsala."

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/12/14/unholy_trinity/

/me hands S.A.M an Oscar

/me hands S.A.M an Oscar

Come now, surely you can do better than that?

One of Caballero's victims, Inés Murillo, testified that her captors, including at least one CIA agent -- his involvement was confirmed in Senate testimony by the CIA's deputy director -- hung her from the ceiling naked, forced her to eat dead birds and rats raw, made her stand for hours without sleep and without being allowed to urinate, poured freezing water over her at regular intervals for extended periods, beat her bloody, and applied electric shocks to her body, including her genitals.

If you treat people inhumanely, why expect them to do otherwise? The American whining over 9/11 is so ludicrous. Its nowhere near what they have done to hundreds of thousands of people world wide.

Come now, surely you can do better than that?



Nope.. this is all about YOU! well done!

You should give that to the families of the people who have "disappeared". Thats a lot of people who will never know what happened to their father or mother or son or daughter or wife or husband. Probably lying in one of these:

Most scientists face nothing more serious in their working lives than a low salary, a major caffeine habit and the spectre of a rival making the grand breakthrough first.

Fredy Peccerelli has faced death threats to himself and his family, and been forced to leave his native Guatemala.

At this year's meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) [in Seattle], Mr Peccerelli and his colleagues at the Guatemalan Forensic Anthropology Foundation (FAFG) are being honoured for their commitment to using science to promote human rights.

Since 1992, the Foundation has been investigating human rights abuses committed during Guatemala's 36-year civil war, particularly the 18-month period in the early 1980s when General Efrain Rios Montt pursued what has been described as a "scorched earth policy". ...

Altogether, it is estimated about 200,000 people were killed or "disappeared", making the civil war one of Latin America's bloodiest.

Mr Peccerelli and his team investigate each massacre, each atrocity, through the principles of sound science. ...

From the remains, Mr Peccerelli's team tries to construct a picture of what happened at the time of death.

For example, was the victim shot or struck by a machete? Where did the bullet enter and exit the body? What was the victim's posture at the time, and what does that imply about what they were doing?

Evidence is given to the Prosecutor's Office where it can be used as evidence in legal cases. ...

"Unfortunately, we have only just begun this work," he says with a resigned shrug. "In the last 12 years, we have exhumed over 400 graves and recovered over 3,000 human skeletal remains.

"If we continue working at this rate, about 70 investigations per year, we will need another 25 or 30 years to finish the work."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3489743.stm

Personally.. I wish they would do something about that disgusting religion coming out of the middle east that are currently comiting crimes that make the US's look like child play. Or we can talk about how that religion destroyed more people, more lives and more cultures than anything the Americans could have done :P

Im not American, Im not in the "west", and unless I pay for it..(which I wont), I dont get CNN or BBC. What I saw on my local TV news was someones head getting sawed off with a knife... and this was not in the 80`s...

This was from the sickest culture the world has ever seen.... But I suppose its all a matter of perspective and what you identify with..

This religion is killing more people in Africa (right now.. Somalia, Sudan, Ertria.. etc etc) than famine.. but I suppose its business as usual for it.

Personally I prefer bomb dropping Yanks to fantatical religious racists.. any day.

Heh, spoken like a true colonialists, its always the niggers fault.

Heh, spoken like a true colonialists, its always the niggers fault.

Spoken EXACTLY like Mugabe!


HARARE, Zimbabwe (AP) - President Robert Mugabe devoted his first major speech since the unresolved election three weeks ago to denouncing whites and former colonial ruler Britain, an attempt to convince Zimbabweans their political and economic troubles stem from abroad.
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20080418/mugabe-blames-zimbabwes-troubles-on-britain-whites-foes.htm

President Robert Mugabe, who has presided over the destruction of his nation’s economy during the past two decades, waved the flag of colonialism to excuse away his own brutality and incompetence

etc

Wow, what a catch!



‘”By Jove! sir,” exclaims the Major, who has by this time got to the walnut stage of the
argument, to which he has arrived by gradations of sherry, port, ale, and Madeira, - “By
Jove,” he exclaims, thickly and fiercely, with every vein in his forehead swol’n like
whipcord, “these niggers are such a confounded sensual lazy set, cramming themselves
with ghee and sweetmeats, and smoking their cursed chillumjees all day and all night, that
you might as well think to train pigs. Ho, you! Punkah chordo, or I’ll knock - Suppose we
go up and have a cigar!”’

Source (http://past.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/citation/128/1/92)

now back to the countries bombed by the US after WWII and the hundreds of thousands of people who disappeared through death squads.

China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Belgian Congo 1964
Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1981-92
Nicaragua 1981-90
Libya 1986
Iran 1987-88
Libya 1989
Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991-2002
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1992-94
Croatia 1994 (of Serbs at Krajina)
Bosnia 1995
Iran 1998 (airliner)
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia 1999
Afghanistan 2001-02
Iraq 2003
Pakistan (tribal areas) 2008

The global policeman just doing his job, is what this is. If the above regimes had been civilized they wouldn't have had bombs dropped on them. Unfortunately, there is one country shamefully missing from the list: Rwanda.

So a civilized country is one that operates death squads, overthrows democratically elected governments and bombs civilians?

So a civilized country is one that operates death squads, overthrows democratically elected governments and bombs civilians?

A civilized country is one that provides medicine to its ill compulsive citizens the medicine they urgently need. You get my drift?

A civilized country is one that provides medicine to its ill compulsive citizens the medicine they urgently need. You get my drift?

Hmm, yes, while nuking other countries and occupying several others and training people in torture and the establishment of mass graves made up of people who are "disappeared". Like the mafia families, who look out for their own.

Hmm, yes, while nuking other countries and occupying several others and training people in torture and the establishment of mass graves made up of people who are "disappeared". Like the mafia families, who look out for their own.

You're like a headless chicken running in circles :p

Go away, headless chicken :) Go annoy someone else. It's not like anyone is taking your opinions seriously :)

I thought the Americans only nuked one country... Japan... not "countries.... Its a singular, not a plural.

The U.S bombed Grenada? I'll have to google that.

But it's true:p

So far, evidence and facts and whatnot more or less (sometimes excessively less) on topic in SAM's posts,

and personal insults and innuendo about SAM, nothing on topic, in the responders' posts.

Plus some genuinely whacked-out delusionary stuff like this: The global policeman just doing his job, is what this is. If the above regimes had been civilized they wouldn't have had bombs dropped on them.
People who want the honor of being referred to as the "global policemen" would be advised to act according to some visible principles or laws, and with restraint of common decency, as genuine policemen do.

Dropping bombs on people, running death squads in other people's countries, training and funding and arming torture regimes and installing vicious organized criminals to replace elected governments, and then claiming the victims deserved all this because they were not "civilized", is deranged.

Wow.. Oscars should be given out to forumites here for melodramatic awards.

Reading the crud here is amazing. Some of you are very good candidates for Robert Mugabes propaganda team. That way you can blame the West, white people.. and anyone who is better off than you for anything you want.

No one has blamed White people for anything. Stop having such a guilty conscience.

No one has blamed White people for anything. Stop having such a guilty conscience.

Erm.. might I suggest you read S.A.Ms posts over the last couple of years? Get perspective.

No one has blamed White people for anything.

Who are you and where's Ganymede?

Who are you and where's Ganymede?

Challenging the racism that periodically surfaces on this forum doesn't equate to racism. :)

You're like a headless chicken running in circles :p

Go away, headless chicken :) Go annoy someone else. It's not like anyone is taking your opinions seriously :)

headless chickens don't run around in circles

headless chickens don't run around in circles

Sorry, pjdude, but they do, I have had to kill chickens for freezing, and storage, in the fall, and every so often after you chop the head off a chicken it get's up and runs in circles until it bleeds out and the body finally dies.

Sorry, pjdude, but they do, I have had to kill chickens for freezing, and storage, in the fall, and every so often after you chop the head off a chicken it get's up and runs in circles until it bleeds out and the body finally dies.

Are you a farmer?

Are you a farmer?

Here's a clue, he refers to our adversaries as Molsems and racests!

Sorry, pjdude, but they do, I have had to kill chickens for freezing, and storage, in the fall, and every so often after you chop the head off a chicken it get's up and runs in circles until it bleeds out and the body finally dies.

i seen many headless chickens and i have yet to see one run around in circles. all they did was run in a random pattern.

i seen many headless chickens and i have yet to see one run around in circles. all they did was run in a random pattern.

So in fact I gave SpAM too much credit by suggesting she runs in a steady pattern of a circle instead of random direction.

So in fact I gave SpAM too much credit by suggesting she runs in a steady pattern of a circle instead of random direction.

basicly yeah

Massacre of the Armenians continued in the early 20th century. In 1904 and in 1909 CE, about 30,000 Armenians were slaughtered in Adana. The most horrible mass murder of Armenians occurred in 1915, which can be rightly described as the first genocide of the 20th century.

With all due respects, nationalist secular Turkish government was responsible, not "jihadists". However, no matter how bloodthirsty jihadists are, Christian (nominally, at least) countries are way, way ahead as far as body counts are concerned. Knowledge is power to kill.

BTW, Israelis killed 370 palestinians so far in 2008 using "collective punishment" tactics + American weapons & equipment. Yet, it's jihadists who are evil incarnates. Bloody jihadists just do what the most democratiest, the most freest, etc. countries (not speaking of beacons of freedom like Russia and China) always did - collective punishment. Whether it's carpet bombing of Germany & Japan, 1 million of starved German prisoners or 500,000 dead Iraqis as a result of Clinton's sanctions, jihadists and Western democracies share hell of a lot.

China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Belgian Congo 1964
Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1981-92
Nicaragua 1981-90
Libya 1986
Iran 1987-88
Libya 1989
Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991-2002
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1992-94
Croatia 1994 (of Serbs at Krajina)
Bosnia 1995
Iran 1998 (airliner)
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia 1999
Afghanistan 2001-08
Iraq 2003-08
Somalia 2007, 2008
Pakistan (tribal areas) 2008


Iraq and Afghanistan are still being bombed by the US.

Somalia was bombed in 2007 and 2008 by the US.

7 posts have been removed following a complain about racism.

No one has blamed White people for anything. Stop having such a guilty conscience.

You forgot this one. Suggesting white people must feel guilty isn't very nice.

Just kid'n, Gany.

Iraq and Afghanistan are still being bombed by the US.

Somalia was bombed in 2007 and 2008 by the US.

I love how leftists make it sound like we're "carpet bombing" whole countries and cities.

A homocide bomber deliberately blows up a crowd of innocent civilians, and leftists turn their heads or find a way to blame it on the U.S.
But when the U.S. uses strategic guided low-yield missles on a shelter with terrorists in it, then we're "bombing the whole country" ! :rolleyes:

With all due respects, nationalist secular Turkish government was responsible, not "jihadists". However, no matter how bloodthirsty jihadists are, Christian (nominally, at least) countries are way, way ahead as far as body counts are concerned. Knowledge is power to kill.

How are you counting that considering millions died in Muslim "conversions" when the religion slashed out against the rest of Asia?

I love how leftists make it sound like we're "carpet bombing" whole countries and cities.

A homocide bomber deliberately blows up a crowd of innocent civilians, and leftists turn their heads or find a way to blame it on the U.S.
But when the U.S. uses strategic guided low-yield missles on a shelter with terrorists in it, then we're "bombing the whole country" ! :rolleyes:

You shall acquaint yourself with history. Carpet bombing was nothing but war on "morale" of civilian population = a few millions of dead (how long suicide bombers need to blow up themselves to catch up?) . Israel, armed to the teeth by USA, widely practices collective punihments resulting in hundreds of dead each year. That precision BS is just that BS. Everybody and his dog knows that most of precision strikes kill regardless of terrorist affiliations.

BTW, who is a terrorist? Probably, somebody trying to achieve something by intimidation of certain groups of peple through application of force. It's just another definition of military.

Will Durant debates in his 1935 book 'The Story of Civilization: Our Oriental Heritage';

“The Mohammedan conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. The Islamic historians and scholars have recorded with great glee and pride the slaughters of Hindus, forced conversions, abduction of Hindu women and children to slave markets and the destruction of temples carried out by the warriors of Islam during 800 AD to 1700 AD. Millions of Hindus were converted to Islam by sword during this period.”

Or as Braudel put it;

"The massacres perpetuated by Muslims in India are unparalleled in history, bigger than the Holocaust of the Jews by the Nazis; or the massacre of the Armenians by the Turks; more extensive even than the slaughter of the South American native populations by the invading Spanish and Portuguese."

"The levies it had to pay were so crushing that one catastrophic harvest was enough to unleash famines and epidemics capable of killing a million people at a time. Appalling poverty was the constant counterpart of the conquerors' opulence"

Cause every culture`s farts smell better!

How are you counting that considering millions died in Muslim "conversions" when the religion slashed out against the rest of Asia?

That's bull. Turks conquered Byzantium without "millions" of the dead in conversions. Orthodox Greeks lived in Turkey way into 20th century unkilled and unconverted. Sure, you wouldn't have been a first class citizen without becoming a Muslim but you would've been alive.

Yes, Turks killed many of Christians (and vice versa) ONLY after nationalism spread throughout nonmuslim Turkish possessions. They did not kill to convert. They killed to preserve integrity of their country. Isn't that something that Lincoln, Sherman, etc. have done?

Besides, there is Russia who fought Turks to extend its possessions in 18-19 centuries. In the process, Russian wiped out dozens of small muslim ethic groups, to the last man, woman or child. Speaking about some kind inherent agressiveness of Muslim compared to Christians is absolutely ridiculous.

That's bull. Turks conquered Byzantium without "millions" of the dead in conversions. Orthodox Greeks lived in Turkey way into 20th century unkilled and unconverted. Sure, you wouldn't have been a first class citizen without becoming a Muslim but you would've been alive.

Yes, Turks killed many of Christians (and vice versa) ONLY after nationalism spread throughout nonmuslim Turkish possessions. They did not kill to convert. They killed to preserve integrity of their country. Isn't that something that Lincoln, Sherman, etc. have done?

Besides, there is Russia who fought Turks to extend its possessions in 18-19 centuries. In the process, Russian wiped out dozens of small muslim ethic groups, to the last man, woman or child. Speaking about some kind inherent agressiveness of Muslim compared to Christians is absolutely ridiculous.

lets not forget that lots of the janneseries in the turkish army were christian.

Cause every culture`s farts smell better!


It's rather questionable approach to assign all the dead in a war of conquest to the pathological Muslim desire to convert everything that moves. Both Koran and Bible demand conversion of nonbelievers, but religious books are famous for their flexibilities. Christianity was also brought at the point of sword. Christianity had NO chance to spread without Byzantium emperors embracing it and enforcing it upon pagans. There are very few places on Earth Christianity entered peacefully without piles of dead, very few.

Every human, every culture every group of people is capable of the greatest of evils. To think yours is any better than any other shows a complete lack of understanding on how humans work.

I would really suggest reading up on the Milgram experiment: http://www.new-life.net/milgram.htm

Even though you folks spend your lives running around touching your Gods naughty bits to appease its narcissism... humans.. across the board.. are capable and have done anything they want.

Its not a cultural thing.. its early genetics. Everyone is capable of the evil we have seen around the world. Muslims and Christians... Jews and Hindus.

Gods dont kill people.. people with Gods kill people... then use God as the excuse.

It's rather questionable approach to assign all the dead in a war of conquest to the pathological Muslim desire to convert everything that moves. Both Koran and Bible demand conversion of nonbelievers, but religious books are famous for their flexibilities. Christianity was also brought at the point of sword. Christianity had NO chance to spread without Byzantium emperors embracing it and enforcing it upon pagans. There are very few places on Earth Christianity entered peacefully without piles of dead, very few.

.. See my last post

China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Belgian Congo 1964
Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1981-92
Nicaragua 1981-90
Libya 1986
Iran 1987-88
Libya 1989
Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991-2002
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1992-94
Croatia 1994 (of Serbs at Krajina)
Bosnia 1995
Iran 1998 (airliner)
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia 1999
Afghanistan 2001-02
Iraq 2003
Pakistan (tribal areas) 2008

Germany isn't even in this list

That's bull. Turks conquered Byzantium without "millions" of the dead in conversions. Orthodox Greeks lived in Turkey way into 20th century unkilled and unconverted. Sure, you wouldn't have been a first class citizen without becoming a Muslim but you would've been alive.

Yes, Turks killed many of Christians (and vice versa) ONLY after nationalism spread throughout nonmuslim Turkish possessions. They did not kill to convert. They killed to preserve integrity of their country. Isn't that something that Lincoln, Sherman, etc. have done?

And Hitler too. Why, there are plenty of great role models to choose from. The only difference being that we apparently are not meant to decry the Turks, who have yet to acknowledge the Holocaust that fell at their hands.

And Hitler too. Why, there are plenty of great role models to choose from. The only difference being that we apparently are not meant to decry the Turks, who have yet to acknowledge the Holocaust that fell at their hands.

I would start with Jews (as oldest surviving) decrying their Holy Book's genocidal verses. Then Chinese. Then every nation s looking for the bones in its closets. After everybody will repent, oil just might be coming to the very expensive end = new circle of Wars of conquest and exterminations. In 2000 years survivors, if any, repent again. Hopefully their energy sources will last longer.

Everybody and his dog knows that most of precision strikes kill regardless of terrorist affiliations.

That's because most radical leftists consider radical muslim terrorists as an ally in their war against the "evil" U.S. So when a U.S. precision bomb blows up a house of terrorists, it's really killing "civilians" in the minds of radical left.
Terrorists do the dirty work for the radical left, that's why the radical left constantly apologize for them.

I would start with Jews (as oldest surviving) decrying their Holy Book's genocidal verses. Then Chinese. Then every nation s looking for the bones in its closets. After everybody will repent, oil just might be coming to the very expensive end = new circle of Wars of conquest and exterminations. In 2000 years survivors, if any, repent again. Hopefully their energy sources will last longer.

Wars are one thing, genocide another. Ten million people. Two million people. Quite a tally.

That's because most radical leftists consider radical muslim terrorists as an ally in their war against the "evil" U.S. So when a U.S. precision bomb blows up a house of terrorists, it's really killing "civilians" in the minds of radical left.
Terrorists do the dirty work for the radical left, that's why the radical left constantly apologize for them.


Listen, pal, USA wages (neo) Imperial Wars for 100+ years already. It has largest army, largest military expenditures, largest WMD stockpiles, 700 bases abroad. You try to represent USA as some kind of a do goodder who's being attacked by evil Muslim hordes for its love of "freedom". and Jesus. That's so hypocritical, not true and silly.

BTW, who's radical leftist? How do they differ from simply leftists? How do leftists differ from liberals? I commend you for listening lots of talk radio and picking up "professional" paranoid language, but I would advise you to think once or twice over "revalations" you hear.

"Precision" bombs, American or Israelis, killed plenty of people having nothing to do with "terrorists". I will not even mention another warrior on terrorism - Russia. If you think that most bombs USA drops are "precision", Santa will visit your home this Christmas. USA uses plenty of depleted uranium though. Thousands of disfigured, cancerous children is not too big price to pay for your right to be world's parasite.

Listen, pal, USA wages (neo) Imperial Wars for 100+ years already.

Oh yes, the U.S. actually has 78 states, not 50. Didn't you know ? :rolleyes:

What's a radical leftists ? no need to repeat what I've already said.

Wars are one thing, genocide another. Ten million people. Two million people. Quite a tally.

Where do you put death squads? Or are they only relevant when they knock on your door?

Dunno. They're a different kind of the same horror. You tell me: is it worse to kill millions of innocent people, or only a handful?

Or wait: did you mean, where do I put death squads? Well, that's an easier question. I respond: on the trail of my political opponents. Sorry about the confusion.

Dunno. They're a different kind of the same horror. You tell me: is it worse to kill millions of innocent people, or only a handful?

What if we don't do body counts as a policy? Does it count if we destroy entire countries?

http://www.serendipity.li/cia/death_squads1.htm

I've heard here that the USA has bombed over 50 countries since WWII.
Is there a link out there to a comprehensive list covering this issue?(please no Alex jones or radical Islamic sites)

Some of you may have a list archived. That would be helpful, as well.

Thanks

What can I say...America is the Bomb!!!...lol!!!

What if we don't do body counts as a policy?

:rolleyes: We've been over this. The quote doesn't mean what you want it to. Cut it out.

Does it count if we destroy entire countries?

http://www.serendipity.li/cia/death_squads1.htm

How does it destroy entire countries? Are there no living people left?

lets not forget that lots of the janneseries in the turkish army were christian.

Janneseries were converted to Islam.

:rolleyes: We've been over this. The quote doesn't mean what you want it to. Cut it out.

So they do body counts? From the air, while striking "insurgents" with neon signs that say "I am a terrorist"?



How does it destroy entire countries? Are there no living people left?

Maybe you should be bombed in your country for seven years before you are qualified to judge.:shrug:

Maybe you should be bombed in your country for seven years before you are qualified to judge.:shrug:

It was not a judgmental statement; in fact it was not a statement at all. All he was asking is, how can a country be wiped out by bombings? Which is what I'd like to know too.

It was not a judgmental statement; in fact it was not a statement at all. All he was asking is, how can a country be wiped out by bombings? Which is what I'd like to know too.

Its possible, just get bombed for a few years. Bet it will substantially change the country into one that is unrecognisable. Imagine, Kabul University was a hot spot on the Hippy Trail in the 1970s. Still pretty good in the 1990s

Recognise it?

http://www.mythinglinks.org/WomenUniversityStudents~KabulJune1995~ByCiriello~4 60219.jpg

So they do body counts?

Again, that refers to the political refutation of connotations with Vietnam.

From the air, while striking "insurgents" with neon signs that say "I am a terrorist"?

:shrug: It's certainly no worse than what terrorists do. "The purpose of terrorism is to inspire terror". The Americans are at least trying not to strike innocent people. One can disagree strongly with the motivations of the war - and I partially do - but one can hardly make the claim that it's not a more humane version than any other war in history, frankly. (I'm sure a couple candidates could be found, but not anywhere on the scale of Iraq. ;))

Maybe you should be bombed in your country for seven years before you are qualified to judge.:shrug:

Well, one could be bombed for seven years, or have everyone marched off to the gas chambers. And at the end of all that, we could discuss which was worse. Can you still voice an opinion if there's no one left to voice it?

One can disagree strongly with the motivations of the war - and I partially do - but one can hardly make the claim that it's not a more humane version than any other war in history, frankly. (I'm sure a couple candidates could be found, but not anywhere on the scale of Iraq. For the past five years this has been an occupation, not a war.

You might not have so much trouble finding more humane examples of occupations - even during wars - than this.
Well, one could be bombed for seven years, or have everyone marched off to the gas chambers. Better than Hitler ? That's a novel form of Godwin's Law violation - defending behaviors as better than the Nazi's.

The US has been behaving better than Pol Pot, as well, at least on some scales.

Better than Suharto.

Not as well as the US when it occupied Italy, or during its actual occupation of Japan. But that's maybe an unfair comparison, for some reason.

How about the North Vietnamese when they took Saigon - is the US behavior in Iraq better than that?

Its possible, just get bombed for a few years. Bet it will substantially change the country into one that is unrecognisable. Imagine, Kabul University was a hot spot on the Hippy Trail in the 1970s. Still pretty good in the 1990s

Recognise it?

http://www.mythinglinks.org/WomenUniversityStudents~KabulJune1995~ByCiriello~4 60219.jpg

The taliban changed this before the DAILY MASS INDISCRIMINATE U.S. B-52 CARPET BOMBINGS of Kabul ! omg, those wicked evil Americans. :rolleyes:

lets not forget that lots of the janneseries in the turkish army were christian.

Janissaries, not janneseries, were war captives and slaves forced to convert to Islam and ultimately fight.

Nice try, though.

Better than Hitler ? That's a novel form of Godwin's Law violation - defending behaviors as better than the Nazi's.

a) I don't care about Godwin's "Law", even if it were thus, and

b) We are talking about the comparison of the mass murder of millions to death squads. Which is worse? Can there be an arguably valid way to equate their horror?

b) We are talking about the comparison of the mass murder of millions to death squads. Which is worse? Can there be an arguably valid way to equate their horror?

Ask some of the far lefties on these forums; they think tens of millions murdered under Communist governments isn't worth making movies or talking about; yet they go ape shit when a few hide-outs of terrorists is blown up. OMG, the U.S. is raping and carpet bombing Iraq !!!! :rolleyes:

I'm a leftie, and I care about all of the above. Yet, I keep it in proportion. If it could be demonstrated that Iraq was far worse, then I would be far more disapproving of it.

You forgot Poland.

What the hell has your post got to do with anything?!?

You regard this thread as being an attack on the US so you draw up a list of countries attacked by 'Moslem suicide bomb attacks'. Like that makes any sense. But then again, you are an evangelical... :rolleyes:

Forgot India and Pakistan too.