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ZeRo X
05-28-03, 09:26 PM
Now this is a theory, so understand that I have no solid evidence in any of this. But it makes sense...

Maybe when the incident at AREA 51 happened, the government found out things about the earth. Maybe they found out Earth was created by another lifeform, proving religon false. This would be a rational reason, seeing millions and millions of people would find out that they have believing something untrue. This might cause complete chaos, people angry for believing the untrue.

I know this is far fetched, but hey, I can have my theories as well.

Its obvious the government is hiding something tremendously huge. so is this not a rational reason for a cover up?

Persol
05-28-03, 09:45 PM
Its obvious the government is hiding something tremendously huge
Sorry, it's not so obvious to the rest of us. While the government is hiding tons of fairly mundane things, it is not obvious that they are hiding 'something huge'. You are overestimating the amount of secrecy the US can keep. Foreign governements 'learn' about almost all the US's 'secrets'.

ZeRo X
05-28-03, 10:06 PM
I'm sure your right about them finding out most of our secret stuff, but I mean, do you really believe that the AREA 51 thing was a weather ballon, when prevously stated (immediatly after it happened) that is wasnt? They are hiding something, and I think that base holds all of that stuff.
We will know someday, someone will talk....

Persol
05-28-03, 10:09 PM
Well first, it wasn't at Area 51. Second, it is much more likely that it was a terrestrial craft that they didn't want to admit too.

As to knowing someday... the people who were involved are dying off. Second hand tributes are more likely due to wanting to be famous then passing on stories.

JoojooSpaceape
05-29-03, 07:39 PM
Well, he does have a point, once back in grade school a kid told me he would have brought a gun to school and killed everyone if he did not have his faith in god. god is more of a big brother kind of figure, he most certainly dictates more than 40% of the worlds decisions

SpyMoose
05-29-03, 11:43 PM
I think your idea that another lifeform having created the earth would make religious people think they were believing a lie. What faith means is beleiving something without evedence for it and in spite of evedence against it. There isnt anything in the realm of facts or evedence that can really change somone who has faith.

Mystech
05-29-03, 11:47 PM
They've already found plenty of things that contradict evolution, most noteably evolution, but fundies still go right along believing that the sun rotates around the earth and the world is only 10,000 years old.

edgar
05-30-03, 07:35 AM
may i make it clear, the bible never says how old the earth is. THe bible never mentions tha the sun orbits the earth.

Persol
05-30-03, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by edgar
may i make it clear, the bible never says how old the earth is.
It does say how old mankind is... and the number is insanely low.

THe bible never mentions tha the sun orbits the earth.
Don't they make christians read the bible anymore?
Ecclesiastes 1:4 and 5: One generation goeth, and another generation cometh; but the earth abideth for ever. The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to its place where it ariseth.
Psalms 92: "He has made the world firm, not to be moved."
Psalms 103: "You fixed the earth upon its foundation, not to be moved forever."
And how about in Joshua 10:12: "Then spake Joshua to Jehovah in the day when Jehovah delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel; and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon."

The bible claims the earth does not move, which is really 2 factual errors. Even if you ignore the rotation around the sun, it still rotates about itself.

river-wind
05-30-03, 11:01 AM
given the Silverbug tests going on at the time, I'm betting it was a prototype which crashed. Though I could be wrong...


Given the number of stars in the universe, it isvery likely that we are not the only ones alive. Given the amount of time available to create faster-than-light travel, it's possible that aliens could trvel to earth. Given the number of things the US government has been cuaght hding for the populace, it may be that they know about these aliens, and are hiding the truth form people.

Given the hugeness of the "truth", the number of people who would be involved, the difficulties of keeping such a secret, and the difficulties of keeping such a secret when you have international spies in high levels of government, I'd say it's doubtfull.


But If I was the Pres of the US, and I found out that the world won a prize for the Best Designed Planet, I might decide it's safer not to tell people. Lots of people would freak, that's for sure.

Persol
05-30-03, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by river-wind
Given the number of stars in the universe, it isvery likely that we are not the only ones alive.
Agreed

Given the amount of time available to create faster-than-light travel, it's possible that aliens could trvel to earth.
What the??? We don't even know if it's possible... how the hell are we supposed to know how long it would take to develop and use?

Given the number of things the US government has been cuaght hding for the populace, it may be that they know about these aliens, and are hiding the truth form people.
Most things they 'admitted' after time... and none were as large, or long going, as this.

Given the hugeness of the "truth", the number of people who would be involved, the difficulties of keeping such a secret, and the difficulties of keeping such a secret when you have international spies in high levels of government, I'd say it's doubtfull.
Agreed.

But If I was the Pres of the US, and I found out that the world won a prize for the Best Designed Planet, I might decide it's safer not to tell people. Lots of people would freak, that's for sure.
Lot's of people freak for other reasons... we might as well give them a reason that matters.

IRDÍN
05-30-03, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by river-wind ------------------------------------------------------------

Given the amount of time available to create faster-than-light travel, it's possible that aliens could trvel to earth.
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Yes,man is totally possible.
There are a lot of life in this planet that born and die fast-than light travel.


Originally posted by river-wind-------------------------------------------------------------

Given the number of things the US government has been cuaght hding for the populace, it may be that they know about these aliens, and are hiding the truth form people
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They still hide information what can refer to human beigns.If the humans know from where they came it is clear that it would not happen what happens.

qfrontier
05-30-03, 09:23 PM
Yes it is possible ZeRo X that the govt is hiding stuff, but somethings are better left alone. If it was meant to be that the world would find out about this, then it will happen...a big revolution in the religious community. But for those who have faith bigger than this entire world, it doesn't matter:)

Persol
05-30-03, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by IRDÍN
They still hide information what can refer to human beigns.If the humans know from where they came it is clear that it would not happen what happens. Ask you're parents where you came from... they'll have an odd little tale about birds and bees for you.

IRDÍN
05-31-03, 04:16 AM
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Persol,said.......
Ask you're parents where you came from... they'll have an odd little tale about birds and bees for you.
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Yes man,i´m sorry for you,my parents told me before the die so beautiful story about my origens,cos my blood is coming from Wichi indian and for sure you never heard about this nation.So sad for you that you find your origenes in the coca-cola and mac donalds.So pull down your ego because c.i.a. will close doors in a few years and you will loose your job.

Swiftbreath
05-31-03, 12:54 PM
Okay, lets not get personal here...I believe the original issue was whether or not the government was hiding 'something huge'.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ZeRo X
Maybe they found out Earth was created by another lifeform, proving religon false.

Just in reference to that, I can't agree, because almost all religions believe that Earth was created by another lifeform. Though you're right, (coming up with concrete evidence that aliens had visited earth would drastically shake religious foundation) fundamental believers in any religion would find a way to explain and make holy whatever alien encounter occurred. If you take a look back in the history of the Catholic religion, in particular, so many things are justified as venerable that are pretty blatanly not of God...the sale of indulgences, the acquiration of land by the Pope, wealthy aristocrats paying for their sons to become Bishops.

Persol
05-31-03, 01:19 PM
Originally posted by IRDÍN
Yes man,i´m sorry for you,my parents told me before the die so beautiful story about my origens,cos my blood is coming from Wichi indian and for sure you never heard about this nation.
Perhaps you don't realize that the wichi indians are in a good deal of books... mainly dealing with religious conversion.

So sad for you that you find your origenes in the coca-cola and mac donalds.
Actually I don't eat/drink either. I personally like to be in good shape.

So pull down your ego because c.i.a. will close doors in a few years and you will loose your job.
And I have what to do with the cia? Damn nutcase.

fractal_choice
05-31-03, 11:37 PM
Here's one:

The government creates the mood that there is indeed a cover-up and that aliens really do exist (I believe aliens exist but not in the context of anything being discussed above). Then when they need an outside threat (like boogey men osama and saddam) they can say "ooh look, the aliens are invading, give up all your rights and let us have a one world government with a cashless society where everyone has personal identification chips. If you don't take the microchip, you might be an alien / terrorist and we can't have that now, can we?

Swiftbreath
06-02-03, 08:21 PM
Hahaha, I like that. And the worst part is, thats the most reasonable theory on here.

ZeRo X
06-03-03, 08:53 PM
Mine, along with many others theories, would be a somewhat fesible explination for a coverup. Hell, if you found out something you believed in for years on end was false, what would you do?

Swiftbreath
06-03-03, 09:00 PM
I'd call it Catholicism.:) I kid, I kid...

Persol
06-03-03, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by ZeRo X
Hell, if you found out something you believed in for years on end was false, what would you do? Change my mind. Although it's that 0.5% that might riot which is the problem.

Blaah!
06-06-03, 06:43 AM
Here's another one...
What if the US government delibrately released made up stories of a UFO crash then made it look like they tried to cover it up. This way the enemies of the US would think that maybe it was possible the US did have access to alien technology. They would then think twice about attacking them for fear of retaliation with weapons built using that technology. It was all a big hoax in the interests of national security... :m:

river-wind
06-06-03, 09:00 AM
Originally posted by Blaah!
Here's another one...
What if the US government delibrately released made up stories of a UFO crash then made it look like they tried to cover it up. This way the enemies of the US would think that maybe it was possible the US did have access to alien technology. They would then think twice about attacking them for fear of retaliation with weapons built using that technology. It was all a big hoax in the interests of national security... :m:


hhhmmmmm, what a great idea. never occured to me before. I could seriously see this turning out to be the case. given the international tension of the time, and the fact that Russia was testing Nuclear weapons, etc. I bet you're right.

MrMynomics
06-06-03, 11:05 AM
The Government probably hides small amounts of infomation and edit the most important info,but thats about it,i dont think thier info aiming at us is as complex as you think,the dangers 5 steps ahead are much more dangerous than the dangers that are 10 steps ahead,look at it this way if ets are a great danger wouldnt they be smart enough to target Government bases,instead of us.The goverment hides info that has no relativety to you so dont get thinking about something you cant answer.Thier are tons of stupid info on hitler,that gives the impression he had a nazi ufo at the time,which was crap,they said that it was under the antarctic,so imagine the us government questioning ithat info.The Russian/us Government has always had unknown problems against each other,if either of them were scared of retailation,they wouldnt solve or find out anything.

Blaah!
06-06-03, 11:31 AM
Still think its possible tho... it was the 50s, they did heaps of corny shit like that back then to try and win the psycological war!

MrMynomics
06-06-03, 02:15 PM
I thought it was 1947.

Blaah!
06-07-03, 04:16 AM
Might have been...dunno. Anyone?

dinokg
07-01-03, 12:29 PM
It was in 1947 in Roswell, New Mexico.

The government did say it was a "flying disc" just look at the Roswell paper the day it happened.

The next day the government said it was a regular weather balloon.

Since then the government says it was actually a top secrect "Project Moogle" balloon that was used to check for nuclear explosions in Russia at the time.

I think there still might be alot more secret about this incident.

Sci-Phenomena
07-01-03, 02:53 PM
Well.. what I believe about Roswell was that the only thing there that happened was what I call a fake coverup. (the government setting up a situation in which they "purposely leak" information then they "cover up" things which never happened) It is my belief that the "cover up" was all setup to make the public believe that the U.S. had some sort of a connection to ETs(and it was quite an effective operation might I say).. when in reality the flying discs are all man-made and man-flown. Controlled by the powers that be.

dr. ski wampas
07-01-03, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by ZeRo X
Mine, along with many others theories, would be a somewhat fesible explination for a coverup. Hell, if you found out something you believed in for years on end was false, what would you do?

bah! i dont believe life any forms of any kind, can simply just create large astral objects. there is a lot more involved in the evolution of a planet then a flick of the wrist. where is the motivation anyway? out of the millions of planets already out there, why go through the trouble of creating another? (which is impossible, i say).

this is why religion and science shouldnt be thought of in the same room.... and i challenge the one who said that evolution is contradictory to show evidence of such. evolution happens, and that, i'm sorry, is quite possibly the stupidest thing i've heard all week!

religion is what holds us back from logical thinking, as this thread has so openly displayed.... grrrr. sorry, i meant no offense, i just get upset when people wont think outside the box.

nothing had to have created us, nothing had to have put us here, we just "are", so get used to it.

Sci-Phenomena
07-01-03, 03:22 PM
I am a somewhat religous man, and I believe that evolution is something that happens. Its called natural selection.. and I see nothing contradicting to religion in believing in evolution.

dr. ski wampas
07-01-03, 03:34 PM
well, i know ou to be a man of fact manmade, so lets look at this.

there is no PROOF of god, there is no PROOF he could create us, or anything else. there is PROOF that planets, people, everything, etc, etc could have evolved from nothing however.

Sci-Phenomena
07-01-03, 03:38 PM
Proof?.. Religion is about faith.. otherwise they would call it science.

And you can't get something from nothing.

dr. ski wampas
07-01-03, 03:42 PM
well science is about proof, so i'll go by that.

how would you define nothing though? i am asuming you mean the universe. but in all honesty, what is the universe? what is this "outer space" stuff people talk about.

it is stupid to assume that it is something, because it's not tangible and you cant grab some of it and hold it, yet we have stars and planets and moons, which i think constitute as "something's".

Sci-Phenomena
07-01-03, 03:49 PM
Well... gravity isn't tangible.. you can't grab it.. you can't hold it.

dr. ski wampas
07-01-03, 03:53 PM
and yet it holds you right?