I read an article in the Daily Telegraph recently about the lawsuit that has just been taken out against CERN, to prevent activation of the Large Hadron Collider. It suggested that the device could destroy the universe, though I've never seen any suggestions from other sources that this might be possible.

As far as I can see,the only way the LHC could do this is if it actually creates a NEW Big Bang, ie, creates a new universe from a singularity.

Is anyone suggesting that this is possible? Or have the British Press got into a lather over nothing?

Lol! The other aliens would be soooo mad at us.

Lol! The other aliens would be soooo mad at us.

Haha. Too true...if they ever had the chance to think about it....

Poor little aliens....

It's there own fault. The should have exterminated us when we first started evolving. It's obvious were a very high risk and destructive species.

I read an article in the Daily Telegraph recently about the lawsuit that has just been taken out against CERN, to prevent activation of the Large Hadron Collider. It suggested that the device could destroy the universe, though I've never seen any suggestions from other sources that this might be possible....Is anyone suggesting that this is possible? Or have the British Press got into a lather over nothing?Welcom to sciforums Alan. By far the largest and longest thread here has been concerned too:

See:

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=2607

The main contributor, Paul, is not very responsive to questions but Wager is and is knowledgable in the area. (He is one of the two bringing the lawsuit.) I have posted several times, several reasons why I am not concerned about Paul's supernova ideas, but Wagner's suggestion that man-made micro black hole may be serious (as it is traveling slow WRT the Earth) may be valid.

Certainly my cosmic ray and most other arguements are weak if applied to the small balck hole, "eating Earth" disaster. I would feel more at ease if there were more than theory supporting its rapid evaporation, instead of growth.

Many thanks for your welcome and reply, Billy T; much appreciated!

Two recent newspaper articles in the UK (Daily Express and Daily Telegraph related to the LHC lawsuit), mentioned that there is concern, albeit small, that the device could cause the annihilation of the universe. Paul Dixon mentions in his thread that a 50 light-year diameter supernova is possible; hardly universal annihilation.

So I am left wondering about the sources of information in those articles, and the scientific validity of the suggestions.

JESUS! THERE IS ALREADY A THREAD FOR THIS!!! (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=2607&page=66)

...So I am left wondering about the sources of information in those articles, and the scientific validity of the suggestions.You are aware now of both Paul’s thread and this one:
CERN and concern - What is your take ?
I suggest we let this "Could the ...." one die. I do not plan to post more here.

I direct your attention to my post 12 at CERN and concern - What is your take ? - specifically the second part of it. That is one possible real concern. There is another, that Walter and others have, but I do not know anything about "strangelets" so do not know how much I should worry about that concern of Water et. al.

Walter et. al. seem to be concerned mainly about the danger of an initially gravitationally bound micro black hole. (It is not certain it would radiate away before eating the Earth as it orbits around both inside the Earth and high above the Earth surface in a bound elliptical orbit - getting a little "fatter" with each pass thru the "solid Earth" and of course, losing some of the apogee, until the full orbit path is inside the Earth.) Surely that if real, is the end of the Earth, but not the universe of even the nearest to Earth planets. They would not have any change in even the slight perturbations Earth now makes to their orbit if Earth became an earth mass black hole.

What both concerns and reassures me it that even the initially unbound gravitational hole may be a big problem for Earth if the change to electric force argument I present in the second part of my reply mentioned above.

I am partially reassured as if this conversion to eclectic forces argument is valid, then my "we are still here, despite cosmic rays" argument in Paul's thread made years ago is strengthened. To a large extent then the only thing than may be wrong with that old argument that cosmic rays "prove" the LHC is safe to use is the fact that the cosmic ray produced BH which "eats" an electron may be traveling too fast they also eat the more massive "second course" of the meal - namely the ion.

This all gets very complex as it does not need to "eat" the same ion it made when it ate the electron, especially if either it is passing thru an ionic crystal (positive ions everywhere) OR if passing thru a material with mobile "electron holes" which can "fly after" the moving negatively charged BH until it eats the second part of the meal at some distant point form the first electron only "appetizer" part. This "flying after" is because electron holes are like positive charges.

I will copy and paste most of this at the thread
CERN and concern - What is your take ?

soon, I think, and later delete it here as I will not post here again.

Seriously, I don't have a take. I saw two newspaper articles on this subject and wondered what their source of information was. No deliberate offense intended, I assure you. I am not a physics expert and I'm trying to make sense of what is obviously a very complex subject.

If it helps, please delete the thread!