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URI
11-21-05, 02:22 AM
From two encounters with cold cosmic matter (asteroid, comet, moons), it is becoming apparent that all cold mater beyond a certain distance from a star will be coated with hydrogen peroxide, solid as ice of as a liquid.

The current theory asserts that instead of H2O2, this substance is water....

I will not argue that at present, for there is unfolding another test to determine this.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s1505854.htm

>> A mini-robot that was due to land on the surface of an asteroid circling the Sun has been lost, mission scientists say.

Minerva, just 10 centimetres long, was released by a Japanese space probe but was lost before it could land, the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) says.

Equipped with a camera and thermometers, Minerva was meant to hop around Itokawa and send data such as surface temperatures and images back to Earth via Hayabusa, the Kyodo news agency reports.

Itokawa, a 600 metre long asteroid that travels on an orbit that takes it between Earth and Mars, is named after Hideo Itokawa, the father of Japan's space exploration program.

It is currently around 290 million kilometres away from Earth.

Hayabusa, which was fired into space on 9 May 2003, has been hovering over Itokawa for almost two months. >>>


http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200511/s1510853.htm

>> The unmanned Hayabusa probe - the name means falcon in Japanese - had been due to land on the surface of the 548 metre long asteroid 25143 Itokawa for just one second after a voyage of two and a half years.

But it is unclear whether the probe has completed its delicate mission, a spokesman for the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) says.

"The probe launched a landing target marker from a height of 40 metres, then descended to a position 17 metres from the asteroid," said a spokesman for JAXA.

"We are not certain what happened after that."

He says scientists are in communication with the probe and analysing data to try to calculate its exact position, thought to be close to the asteroid, but it is unclear whether there has been a technical problem.

Hayabusa was to have landed on Itokawa for just long enough to allow it to fire a metal pellet into its surface and collect a sample of the material stirred up by the impact. >>>


<< In the most recent photograph, taken on Sunday and published on JAXA's website, the probes shadow can be made out on Itokawa's surface.

Last week it failed in an attempt to launch a miniature robot onto the asteroid's surface to collect data.

The robot, the Minerva, went missing after being released from the probe.

The 500 kilogram Hayabusa has also developed a problem with its positioning control system, while a solar flare has damaged its wing-like solar panels. >>


http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200511/s1510976.htm
>> The Hayabusa spacecraft had approached to within metres of the bean-shaped Itokawa asteroid, which lies about 290 million kilometres from Earth.

But it drifted off to somewhere within 100 kilometres.

Tatsuo Oshima, an official at the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency, says the spacecraft had released a 'target marker', a small metal ball, 40 metres away from the asteroid at 5:30am as planned.

He says it managed to move to within 17 metres of the surface.

But shortly afterward the Hayabusa suffered a glitch and was not able to confirm its altitude, temporarily losing contact with Earth.

Mr Oshima says the spacecraft resumed transmission at 9:30am (Japanese time) but had drifted away from the asteroid, which rotates between Earth and Mars.

"We believe the target marker landed on the surface because Hayabusa moved to the 17-metre point from Itokawa after the release," Mr Oshima said. >>>

>> The ball was to mark the point where the six-metre spacecraft would gather rock and sand from the 500-metre wide asteroid.>>


So another attempt is to be made to land.

This was a US$100 X 10^6, and still it seems the chemistry which is well documented eludes all space controllers.

If the next attempt fails, you can be sure that getting up close and personal with cosmic antimagnetic matter ( diamagnetic H2O2) which explodes (decomposed) upon contact with crude methods is not possible.

A Universe composed of magnetic matter coated with diamagnetic matter is rather an interesting place.

URI
11-21-05, 02:27 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/05/sci_nat_enl_1127992569/img/laun.jpg
Asteroid, showing a frosted hunk of matter

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200511/r64945_179458.jpg
Shadow of probe on asteroids surface.

Facial
11-21-05, 02:40 AM
How is it "apparent" that hydrogen peroxide is coating the surface?

It is a very unstable compound, and decays in sunlight.

URI
11-21-05, 02:54 AM
>> How is it "apparent" that hydrogen peroxide is coating the surface? >>

we shall see

>> It is a very unstable compound, and decays in sunlight.>>

not in moderately cold places, under a vacuum... it is very stable.

Its gas, the hydroxyl radical, is ultra stable in deep cold space.

Facial
11-21-05, 03:03 AM
The hydroxyl radical is not the gas of hydrogen peroxide, nor would it condense to form hydrogen peroxide spontaneously. I do not see any reason to find substantial amounts of hp. Water is most stable.

Light
11-21-05, 03:29 AM
>> How is it "apparent" that hydrogen peroxide is coating the surface? >>

we shall see

>> It is a very unstable compound, and decays in sunlight.>>

not in moderately cold places, under a vacuum... it is very stable.

Its gas, the hydroxyl radical, is ultra stable in deep cold space.

Ha! Besides it having nothing to do with the hydroxyl radical at all, I suppose you've never even heard of vapor pressure, right?

Once again (out of dozens!) you've just made up more foolishness.

Question: do you actually even know anything about basic chemistry? (It's pretty obvious you know very little about math.)

URI
11-21-05, 06:13 AM
Oooooh, well if you know, you won't learn.

Vapour pressure, what do you think that is ?? solid, liquid or gas......
LOL

In a space environment
H2O2 <----> 2 OH

On Earth 2H2O2 -----> H2O + O2

just slightly different conditions.

learn something.

Facial
11-22-05, 05:02 AM
learn something.

This applies to yourself more than any other SF member.

Light
11-22-05, 07:49 AM
Oooooh, well if you know, you won't learn.

Vapour pressure, what do you think that is ?? solid, liquid or gas......
LOL

In a space environment
H2O2 <----> 2 OH

On Earth 2H2O2 -----> H2O + O2

just slightly different conditions.

learn something.

Absurd!

As to vapor pressure, that applies to all three, dummy!

Related question: do you even know what sublimation is???

URI
11-22-05, 04:12 PM
sub-lim-ation

ooooh that is a big word.... but it will go up in smoke if you use it too much.

Oh BTW
what is absurd ??

H2O2 ice <-----> OH vapour/gas

In some places the H2O2 could be in liquid form, see phase diagrams for H2O2.

eburacum45
11-23-05, 02:29 AM
Well, when and if samples are ever returned, we will know the true composition of such objects; your peroxide theory will be confirmed or falsified.
Good luck with that; you will need it, as water ice is much more likely for many reasons.

But you may have a little longer to wait; recent Japanese craft have been notoriously unreliable, and I don't expect that this one will be much different.

Once we do eventually obtain samples from an asteroid, and they do show water as opposed to peroxide, what will you say then? I presume you will abandon your strange cosmology, or at least modify it radically.

Light
11-23-05, 02:39 AM
sub-lim-ation

ooooh that is a big word.... but it will go up in smoke if you use it too much.

Oh BTW
what is absurd ??

H2O2 ice <-----> OH vapour/gas

In some places the H2O2 could be in liquid form, see phase diagrams for H2O2.

Then if you understand sublimation and vapor pressure, would you care to explain just why your space rocks would have a frosty coating after all these millions of years?

URI
11-23-05, 03:05 AM
>> would you care to explain just why your space rocks would have a frosty coating

because the hydroxyl radical is manufactured near stars, and via vapour prssure push outwards to condense around cold, not so deep/ and deep space matter.

The hydrogen peroxide condensed from the hydroxyl ions only sublimes when heated IR or under intense UV.

In high concentrations (above 62%), hydrogen peroxide in solution with water will freeze before the water. Below 62%, the water will freeze first, until the liquid solution reaches 62%. Hydrogen peroxide tends to supercool, or cool below its freezing point without freezing. So the existing phases can be mixed.

URI
11-23-05, 04:28 PM
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200511/s1515488.htm

>> A Japanese probe on a mission to bring back the first rock samples from an asteroid landed briefly on its target on Sunday but did not drop the equipment for collecting surface material.

Scientists from the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) had said earlier the unmanned probe failed to touch down on Itokawa, nearly 300 million kilometres from earth.

After a voyage of two-and-a-half years, the space probe stayed on the surface of the 548-metre-long asteroid for 30 minutes, marking the first landing by a Japanese spacecraft on a celestial body.

The agency will decide on Thursday whether to have the probe attempt a second landing.

While the body of probe has not suffered any serious damage, some of its sensors need to be examined, the agency said. >>

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4463254.stm
>> The Hayabusa space probe landed successfully on its asteroid target despite the initial announcement of a failure, Japan's space agency says.

It apparently failed to drop equipment to collect material from the surface of asteroid Itokawa.

The Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (Jaxa) subsequently announced the landing attempt had failed.

But the data now show that the spacecraft touched down on the potato-shaped asteroid located 290 million km (180 million miles) from Earth for about half an hour.

"Apparently, Hayabusa bounced off something on the surface more than once and spent some 39 minutes resting on it, but the samplers didn't fire," science team member Andy Cheng of Johns Hopkins University told the BBC News website. >>>