http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=9...
cross-posted in LBN http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Hours after the release of an indictment that charged them with felony murder, two Atlanta police officers pleaded guilty to manslaughter and other charges in the death of a 92-year-old woman last November. A third officer indicted on lesser charges in the case did not plead guilty.

Typically, the officers would have a confidential informant go to the house and make a buy but they did not. Instead, Officer Smith went to a magistrate judge and, in order to get a no-knock warrant, lied by claiming that an informant had made a buy and that surveillance cameras were positioned outside the Johnston home.

When the officers went up to the house after dark, it took them about two minutes to pry the burglar bars off the front door. By the time they got inside, Johnston had a .38 revolver which she fired one time at the officers. The bullet did not strike any of the officers, as had been previously reported, and was found in the roof outside the house.

After the shooting, Smith and Junnier met and concocted the story that the informant bought cocaine at the house. They also told the informant to lie to investigators, but he later admitted that he never bought drugs at 933 Neal Street.

After that single shot was fired, the officers returned 39 rounds. Five or six of them hit Kathryn Johnston, who died from the bullet that struck her in the chest. Junnier, who was reported to have been shot by Johnston, was actually injured by shrapnel that resulted from a fellow officer's gunfire.

They got off to light, it is bastards like that who give the Honest Cops a bad name, and contribute to the problems between the community and the Police. Remember that 99% of the police on the streets are doing their best to do their duty to the public, it is trash like these bastards that cause the problems, for all, the good cop and the citizen.

i think we discussed this subject here:
http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=65908

They got off to light, it is bastards like that who give the Honest Cops a bad name, and contribute to the problems between the community and the Police. Remember that 99% of the police on the streets are doing their best to do their duty to the public, it is trash like these bastards that cause the problems, for all, the good cop and the citizen.

I agree to an extent. The only problem is, these accidental shootings almost allways occur in poor and urban communities. That's the sad thing about it.

**Spider** Can you merge this thread with the other one?

The only problem is, these accidental shootings almost allways occur in poor and urban communities. That's the sad thing about it.

No, the sad thing is that the residents of those communities don't care enough about their own community to keep the criminals out of it. The reason you don't see such happenings in nice, suburban areas is that the residents care, and watch out for their neighbors.

When people care enough about themselves to fight the criminal elements that threaten them is when we'll see a change in this kind of happening.

Baron Max

No, the sad thing is that the residents of those communities don't care enough about their own community to keep the criminals out of it. The reason you don't see such happenings in nice, suburban areas is that the residents care, and watch out for their neighbors.

When people care enough about themselves to fight the criminal elements that threaten them is when we'll see a change in this kind of happening.

Baron Max

How do you keep criminals out, Baron?
Buy a gun so you can shoot at those B&E thugs that creep in at night?
Oh wait, they were cops on an illegal warrant, and they now shoot you to death.

The reason why you don't see it happen in the suburbs is because there's enough money to keep it out.

No they don't only happen in poor urban neighborhoods, Ruby Ridge, and Waco, Branch Dividians, come to mind.

How do you keep criminals out, Baron?

See? I think that's one of the problems ....you/people don't know!

It's easy, dammit! If the residents started working with the cops, turning in vicious, nasty criminals who frequent their neighborhoods, calling the cops when someone is selling drugs or whores, calling the cops about any suspicious behavior or activities, etc. Pretty soon the criminals would not be able to function, they'd be hassled continually by both the cops and the residents ....they couldn't live and work there.

The reason why you don't see it happen in the suburbs is because there's enough money to keep it out.

No, it's not money ...it's caring for their neighborhoods, calling the cops when something happens or is suspicious. Money has nothing to do with it, it's the desire to live without criminals in their midst.

Baron Max

No, the sad thing is that the residents of those communities don't care enough about their own community to keep the criminals out of it. The reason you don't see such happenings in nice, suburban areas is that the residents care, and watch out for their neighbors.

When people care enough about themselves to fight the criminal elements that threaten them is when we'll see a change in this kind of happening.

Baron Max

Normally I agree with you but when scum moves into a nice white area calling the police is useless. They won't do anything and if you get them arrested for something you can expect retaliation. That's why most people simply move.

Normally I agree with you but when scum moves into a nice white area calling the police is useless. They won't do anything and if you get them arrested for something you can expect retaliation. That's why most people simply move.

Yeah, it's easy NOT to fight for your own homes and neighborhoods. It's easy NOT to fight for freedom. It's easy NOT to fight for ones own safety and security. It's easy NOT to fight for .....(fill in the blank).

Running away is so much easier, ain't it?

Baron Max

Yeah, it's easy NOT to fight for your own homes and neighborhoods. It's easy NOT to fight for freedom. It's easy NOT to fight for ones own safety and security. It's easy NOT to fight for .....(fill in the blank).

Running away is so much easier, ain't it?

Baron Max

It is much easier. Let's say 30 Mexicans move into the house across the street and loud music blasts out of it 24 hours a day and there's always a car partially blocking your driveway. The cops will do fuck all and your neighbors start moving and more scum moves in. What are you going to do?

They got off to light, it is bastards like that who give the Honest Cops a bad name, and contribute to the problems between the community and the Police. Remember that 99% of the police on the streets are doing their best to do their duty to the public, it is trash like these bastards that cause the problems, for all, the good cop and the citizen.

You really can't give honest cops a bad name. Things like this just make it hard to believe that any cops are honest.

I think these type of warrants are fine, if it is the wrong info they should have to pay for the door in some cases some other small comnpensation (tickets).

I don't understand people who think that it's acceptable to kick someone's door down and go in shooting over the drugs that people choose to use.

This is the problem. They go after dealers (distributors), not someone smoking weed in front of the TV. You cannot go up ring the bell and say "hello, can we come in? we are the police". If that is done the evidence gets flushed.

They dont go in shooting either.

Also, when someone breaks into your house you have to know what your shooting at.

See how that works?

It is not worth breaking into someone's home with guns drawn and it is not worth throwing incendiary devices through people's windows to prevent the destruction of some "evidence" even if they could destroy the evidence thoroughly enough to prevent a conviction. What they want is that surprise assault that enrages people and makes them feel as if they are living in a police state.

All the evidence would be destroyed and the dealers would move to another house to continue distributing cocaine, heroin and meth.

Killing their buyers and ensuring them a lifetime of poverty and misery...enslavement.

All the evidence would be destroyed and the dealers would move to another house to continue distributing cocaine, heroin and meth.

Killing their buyers and ensuring them a lifetime of poverty and misery...enslavement.

Yeah, and their buyers can still find work and work their way out of that if they so choose. I know more of them than you think.

You know, people who think that it's OK to destroy the village to save it eventually destroy themselves and that's vastly entertaining to me.

It's easy, dammit! If the residents started working with the cops, turning in vicious, nasty criminals who frequent their neighborhoods, calling the cops when someone is selling drugs or whores, calling the cops about any suspicious behavior or activities, etc. Pretty soon the criminals would not be able to function, they'd be hassled continually by both the cops and the residents ....they couldn't live and work there.

What happens when the criminals are your kids, who make as much money selling crack as they would at McDonalds, but with better opportunity for advancement?


No, it's not money ...it's caring for their neighborhoods, calling the cops when something happens or is suspicious. Money has nothing to do with it, it's the desire to live without criminals in their midst.

Yes, it does. Poor neighborhoods, universally, are more trashy than wealthy ones. I can tell you this is true in every country I've been to, and I've been to about a dozen, on four different continents. It's hard to care for your community when you have more important cares- food & shelter.

It's hard to care for your community when you have more important cares- food & shelter.

Then they deserve what they have and what they get. Fuck 'em.

Baron Max

What happens when the criminals are your kids, who make as much money selling crack as they would at McDonalds, but with better opportunity for advancement?

Very good point.




Yes, it does. Poor neighborhoods, universally, are more trashy than wealthy ones. I can tell you this is true in every country I've been to, and I've been to about a dozen, on four different continents. It's hard to care for your community when you have more important cares- food & shelter.

I would rather have to deal with a little trash and some broken bottles than with rich white trash that likes to pick their neighbors to pieces.

No they don't only happen in poor urban neighborhoods, Ruby Ridge, and Waco, Branch Dividians, come to mind.


Don't you dare compare this sweet old lady. To the sexually perverted Child rapist David Koresh. Who was accumalating a stock pile of weapons, raping children, and fired on federal officers when he was ordered to stand down. But comming from you this doesn't suprise me one bit.

Yeah, it's easy NOT to fight for your own homes and neighborhoods. It's easy NOT to fight for freedom. It's easy NOT to fight for ones own safety and security. It's easy NOT to fight for .....(fill in the blank).

Running away is so much easier, ain't it?

Baron Max

All you do is Talk Baron. You're the one who likes talking about the comming race war. Why don't you do something to start it, instead of sitting here doing the EASY thing and talking about it.

This is the problem. They go after dealers (distributors), not someone smoking weed in front of the TV. You cannot go up ring the bell and say "hello, can we come in? we are the police". If that is done the evidence gets flushed.

They dont go in shooting either.

Also, when someone breaks into your house you have to know what your shooting at.

See how that works?


That's the problem John99. If an alleged drug crimminal can flush down all the evidence before the Cops come in. Then there wasn't enough drugs there to warrant them being there in the first place. The problem is, all the resoruces are allocated into treating the symptoms and not the cause. If Law Enforcement really wanted to get rid Drugs they'd actually gaurd the borders and our nations ports. Instead of busting some metally ill bum who chooses to abuse heroin.

Don't you dare compare this sweet old lady. To the sexually perverted Child rapist David Koresh. Who was accumalating a stock pile of weapons, raping children, and fired on federal officers when he was ordered to stand down. But comming from you this doesn't suprise me one bit.

I saw the CNN film of David Koresh going to the door, opening it, and asking what was going on. They shot him right where he stood. He survived the shooting. A lot went on that told any sensible person that the feds were not acting in any reasonable manner. I don't think that anyone could even figure out, because the feds were acting crazy, how to surrender without dying. This isn't the kind of thing that you can figure out when they shoot you just for opening the door and looking out.