I have a heap of cutting edge patented information and documentation on the communication of infectious diseases by Western government and industry over the last five years but the forum will not allow the download size. It will give an accurate scientific explanation of communication of influenza and other saliva born diseases including SARS. Along with the bioterrorism risks the state is running. Including the potential genesis of avian influenza mutation into a saliva born disease. Be warned, its hot stuff. Post your interest and I will send it through to your email. The file is about 1mb. I am doing a routine notification of this documentation under International Health Regulation Article 7. This information should have been made public at the first opportunity the government had, instead politicians were found to be lacking the vital components of human civility and tried to hide. Shame really, many lives could be saved.

You are speaking of the PRC, North Korea and Burma's refusal to disclose information?

No, he's speaking of sending you innumerable spam and email virii.

Shame really, many lives could be saved.

The planet has too damned many people anyway!

Baron Max

The planet has too damned many people anyway!

Baron Max
i know. so when ya goin then?

Soon, Duendy, soon. I'm old, so it won't be much longer. How 'bout you?

Baron Max

Wow wow wow, get of the negative attitudes guys, if you go on like that, you only get what you expect. :)

If it comes to that, then I expect you to die very soon.

People!!! Government and industry are still refusing to serve the population food principally upon a plate to prevent poor hygiene and subsequent communication of disease. That is the first place treatment starts. Talk to them and ask!!!

People!!! Government and industry are still refusing to serve the population food principally upon a plate to prevent poor hygiene and subsequent communication of disease. That is the first place treatment starts. Talk to them and ask!!!

What?

Could you be just a little more clear about exactly what you mean? I don't undestand what you're trying to say by "food principally upon a plate."

Meaning when food is normally in civilised practice served to a person or consumer at any food outlet or workplace around the world. There are no rules saying that this food is to be placed upon a crockery plate or dish. There are also no authorities willing to promote this practice!! Its like encouraging people to eat off the floor. See my other post if you want detailed info.

If I remember correctly, your other post went along the lines of "give m3 ur email address so i can s4ve youw ith inf0 on infectios dieseases"

No thanks.

Meaning when food is normally in civilised practice served to a person or consumer at any food outlet or workplace around the world. There are no rules saying that this food is to be placed upon a crockery plate or dish. There are also no authorities willing to promote this practice!! Its like encouraging people to eat off the floor. See my other post if you want detailed info.

I know it is very different in other parts of the world, but I have no need to contact my government with any such demands. With only a very, very few rare exceptions, any prepared food we buy is either delivered to us personally on a plate or completely wrapped or covered. (True, there are some ethnic outlets that don't deliver it that way but I see that as a matter strictly between those vendors and their clients. They can change that themselves, if they so desire, without any government interference or intervention.)

I suspect any complaint you have is directed primarily at third-world countries and I have no input to the governments in any of those places.

You have misinterpreted. If any consumer does not receive a sterile dish to consume food from, regardless of packaging. There will be communication of saliva and those little droplets of such the state warns against. So if a consumer buys food in a box and consumes this food at the outlet or where ever there is no barrier between consumers. Currently customers of food outlets are sharing saliva because that is what consumption habits promote. One customer sits at a table to eat food without a plate/dish, eats a meal, moves on, and the next customer within the area sits down, unwraps meal, eats previously communicated saliva from the customer before, and so on. Imagine this repeated 10 billion times a day within the industrialised world. Through consumer populations. Get my drift?

You have misinterpreted. If any consumer does not receive a sterile dish to consume food from, regardless of packaging. There will be communication of saliva and those little droplets of such the state warns against. So if a consumer buys food in a box and consumes this food at the outlet or where ever there is no barrier between consumers. Currently customers of food outlets are sharing saliva because that is what consumption habits promote. One customer sits at a table to eat food without a plate/dish, eats a meal, moves on, and the next customer within the area sits down, unwraps meal, eats previously communicated saliva from the customer before, and so on. Imagine this repeated 10 billion times a day within the industrialised world. Through consumer populations. Get my drift?

There's really no "drift" there. Just the sound (noise) of a weak, faint wind blowing.

So if a consumer buys food in a box and consumes this food at the outlet or where ever there is no barrier between consumers.

How the hell is this any different to eating food on a fuckin' plate? In fact, I'd think that having food served in a box and/or paper wrapper would be one more step toward safety than having it served on a plate which has to be washed, then handled by employees, neither of which is guaranteed sterile.

Paranoia is an interesting human condition, ain't it?

Baron Max

You have misinterpreted. If any consumer does not receive a sterile dish to consume food from, regardless of packaging. There will be communication of saliva and those little droplets of such the state warns against. So if a consumer buys food in a box and consumes this food at the outlet or where ever there is no barrier between consumers. Currently customers of food outlets are sharing saliva because that is what consumption habits promote. One customer sits at a table to eat food without a plate/dish, eats a meal, moves on, and the next customer within the area sits down, unwraps meal, eats previously communicated saliva from the customer before, and so on. Imagine this repeated 10 billion times a day within the industrialised world. Through consumer populations. Get my drift?

Let me get this straight... when you go to fast food joint, you remove the food from the wrapper and place the food directly on the table? Why?

Not sure what you're trying to say here. How exactly are consumers sharing saliva? Does someone spit in the wrapper/comtainer?

Think! Havent your parents ever told you to use a plate to eat food from? It is the most basic principle you could imagine and yes it matters whether or not a wrapper or box is used. Any outlet that does not promote this principle will be exposing YOU to saliva born disease. Talk to a personal injury attorney if you must but do not consider yourselves above disease. Didnt They Put That On Your TV? It is a very basic principle something I falsely assumed can be civilly discussed. Come to think of it I have had a better response from the government! Says something for the collective intelligence of sciforum members! You think this is funny wait until you catch cold this winter! Seriously, I dont like stupid people. I have found people consider themselves far from poor hygiene that creates and spreads diseases. In reality the problem is right in front of them. Please do something about this problem if you hold even the slightest preconceptions of civility. It could well mean the difference between life and death for yourselves and your families this winter. Am I understood?

Think! Havent your parents ever told you to use a plate to eat food from? It is the most basic principle you could imagine and yes it matters whether or not a wrapper or box is used.

Uh, how the heck is a plate any more safer or worse than a wrapper or box?

When I go somewhere to eat fast food (since that's the only place that doesn't use plates), it comes on a plastic tray wrapped in a wrapper. I unwrap the wrapper like a plate, and keep it on the plastic tray and place my food on the wrapper just like a plate. Or I can decide to slightly unfold the wrapper and eat my food from the wrapper.

That's just like a plate. How much safer is a plate? Crap can still fly through the air and land on top of my food unless I use some kinda plastic tupperware to store my food in and seal it after each bite, lol.

I seriously don't understand what your argument is about.

- N

Re-read my posts and you will find your answer. 10 billion repetitions of anything is bound by science to be dangerous! 1 ml of human saliva per consumer/person in the industrialised world is 2000 m3 of biohazard per day floating around popular society. Little things add up if repeated enough.

Think! Havent your parents ever told you to use a plate to eat food from? It is the most basic principle you could imagine and yes it matters whether or not a wrapper or box is used. Any outlet that does not promote this principle will be exposing YOU to saliva born disease. Talk to a personal injury attorney if you must but do not consider yourselves above disease. Didnt They Put That On Your TV? It is a very basic principle something I falsely assumed can be civilly discussed. Come to think of it I have had a better response from the government! Says something for the collective intelligence of sciforum members! You think this is funny wait until you catch cold this winter! Seriously, I dont like stupid people. I have found people consider themselves far from poor hygiene that creates and spreads diseases. In reality the problem is right in front of them. Please do something about this problem if you hold even the slightest preconceptions of civility. It could well mean the difference between life and death for yourselves and your families this winter. Am I understood?

I'm beginning to think that perhaps your heart is in the right place but you seem unaware that you are straining at a gnat while swallowing a whole camel.

Are you not aware that people always have - and always will - exchange microbes to a certain degree? While I would absolutely NOT argue against good hygiene practices, you seem to be taking it to a very unreasonable level. As others have pointed out, dishes or plates can offer just as much source of " microbial pollution" as anything else. You seem to be saying that we would all be safer if places like MacDonald's served their burgers on apiece of glass or china (that gets reused among customers!) rather than being individually wrapped or placed in containers?

Exactly how have you reached that conclusion?

See IP Australia Site under Australian Patent 737840 for the worlds first cardboard food box which transforms into a plate thus preventing the intentional inception and communication of disease by food supply industry (which encompasses commodities markets under government). You can also find for yourselves the plight of the AMCOR Corp of Australia. Being the last group to debate the principle! Think people! Think! Before you insult someone... least of all yourselves.

See IP Australia Site under Australian Patent 737840 for the worlds first cardboard food box which transforms into a plate thus preventing the intentional inception and communication of disease by food supply industry (which encompasses commodities markets under government). You can also find for yourselves the plight of the AMCOR Corp of Australia. Being the last group to debate the principle! Think people! Think! Before you insult someone... least of all yourselves.

Answer this one question: why must it transform into a PLATE? A great deal of the food I mentioned earlier comes wrapped inside a box. So there's a box already. And the most common way of eating it to LEAVE it inside the wrapper and simply bite off the small part as it is exposed - not to lay it on the surface of the table. Only small children might do that. I've never once seen an adult completely unwrap food and place it directly on the bare surface of a table.

You seem to have a MAJOR hang-up with plates themselves. Why is that?? It seems almost like an obsession. And I'm not trying to be insulting in the least, just trying to understand your thinking here. Everything seems to be plates, plates, plates.

As long as it is more dangerous to kiss than eat - then I eat .....

In the restaurant where I eat , they heat the plates with boiling water before serving on them - frozen fast food get nuked in my micro .... what´s your problem ....

furthermore I like bacterias - I could not live without them ..... I am addicted ....

You have stated:
And the most common way of eating it to LEAVE it inside the wrapper and simply bite off the small part as it is exposed - not to lay it on the surface of the table. Only small children might do that. I've never once seen an adult completely unwrap food and place it directly on the bare surface of a table.

I have stated previously:
Currently customers of food outlets are sharing saliva because that is what consumption habits promote. One customer sits at a table to eat food without a plate/dish, eats a meal, moves on, and the next customer within the area sits down, unwraps meal, eats previously communicated saliva from the customer before, and so on. Imagine this repeated 10 billion times a day within the industrialised world. Through consumer populations. Get my drift?

Similar to sneezing, when eating food anywhere saliva and food crumbs will fall from your mouth onto the table (or surrounding area) to be picked up by the next person that uses the area (especially bad news in food outlets) because there is as stated previously no barriers (in the form of plates or dishes or standardised wrapping). Regardless of which Food Grade Cardboard/Paper must be used where ever food is to be consumed. Do you want to run the risk of infection just because the outlet in question couldnt be bothered applying standards?

Hold it right there and take a good look at this:

"You have stated:
And the most common way of eating it to LEAVE it inside the wrapper and simply bite off the small part as it is exposed - not to lay it on the surface of the table. Only small children might do that. I've never once seen an adult completely unwrap food and place it directly on the bare surface of a table.

I have stated previously:
Currently customers of food outlets are sharing saliva because that is what consumption habits promote. One customer sits at a table to eat food without a plate/dish, eats a meal, moves on, and the next customer within the area sits down, unwraps meal, eats previously communicated saliva from the customer before, and so on. Imagine this repeated 10 billion times a day within the industrialised world. Through consumer populations. Get my drift?"

How in the world do you claim that your statement means ANYTHING when compared to mine (the one at the top)????? What I described clearly indicates that there is NO sharing of saliva whatsoever!!!!

Are you having trouble with reading comprehension or what?????????????

Currently customers of food outlets are sharing saliva because that is what consumption habits promote. One customer sits at a table to eat food without a plate/dish, eats a meal, moves on, and the next customer within the area sits down, unwraps meal, eats previously communicated saliva from the customer before, and so on. Imagine this repeated 10 billion times a day within the industrialised world. Through consumer populations. Get my drift?

Similar to sneezing, when eating food anywhere saliva and food crumbs will fall from your mouth onto the table (or surrounding area) to be picked up by the next person that uses the area (especially bad news in food outlets) because there is as stated previously no barriers (in the form of plates or dishes or standardised wrapping). Regardless of which Food Grade Cardboard/Paper must be used where ever food is to be consumed. Do you want to run the risk of infection just because the outlet in question couldnt be bothered applying standards?

Um, food comes served on plastic trays. It's twice the size of a normal plate so it picks up any crumbs or other fallen food debris that may land on the table. Furthermore, after each table is used, busboys/girls come and wipe the table down with cleaning supplies. All places that serve food are graded by health inspectors in how they operate and if they do things in unhealthy manners, they're shut down. Where do you live and how do things operate there? I still fail to see how a simple plate is going to all of a sudden miraculously increase the odds of people not getting sick.

And my added emphasis in bold letters, um, again, we have all that. You seem to think all our fast food outlets happen in barns and we all eat sitting on the dirty earth eating with our hands. We're all confused, heh.

- N

Light- see how Neildo has the right idea with the trays collecting spit but the wrong attitude. Yes, food is served on a tray. It is already stated on this post crockery plates/dishes (or trays) are unclean due to their need to be cleaned regularly. Consumption of chemical cleaners is another factor of concern. Are you sure you know what the common outlet is feeding you? Please try harder to understand. You are wasting my time looking for an avenue that simply doesnt exist. If you and yours are so certain one does, please provide scientific, statistical or technical evidence to prove your point or at least a strong argument. This group is looking foolish.

Light- see how Neildo has the right idea with the trays collecting spit but the wrong attitude. Yes, food is served on a tray. It is already stated on this post crockery plates/dishes (or trays) are unclean due to their need to be cleaned regularly. Consumption of chemical cleaners is another factor of concern. Are you sure you know what the common outlet is feeding you? Please try harder to understand. You are wasting my time looking for an avenue that simply doesnt exist. If you and yours are so certain one does, please provide scientific, statistical or technical evidence to prove your point or at least a strong argument. This group is looking foolish.
Sorry, but no - it is you who are looking foolish here. I've been paitent and asked reasonable questions which you have carefully avoiding answering. Due to that, I've no interest in continuing to read what you have to say.

Ok, "Thanks"!!:)

Just kidding.