Seventh graders in a growing number of public schools, who are not permitted to wear a cross or speak the name of Jesus, are being required to attend an intensive three-week course on Islam - a course in which students are mandated to learn the tenets of Islam, study the important figures of the faith, wear a robe, adopt a Muslim name and stage their own Jihad.

Yeah, its compulsory, and in America.

http://www.crosswalk.com/news/religiontoday/1115944.html

http://www.blessedcause.org/BlessedCauseNews/BCNewsJuly6.htm

http://dailybeacon.utk.edu/article.php/4838

These appear to be all biased Christian publications. It would be nice to quote an independent article that might come closer to the truth of the issue.

In these times of perceived “Islamic terrorism” it would seem a good idea to teach young people some of the truths of Islam, and role playing is an excellent method of teaching.

Now of course if these Christian parents are so worried that their children are going to be completely indoctrinated in a 3 week course then that doesn’t say much for the strength of their own Christian teachings to their own children.

With religion playing a role in many aspects of life it would also seem a good idea that comparative religion is taught as a compulsory course in all schools. I would hope that the clear distinction can be made between teaching the facts of a religion and forced indoctrination. Religion has played a major role in human history and it seems absurd not to cover it in school.

Fortunately I was compulsory taught Christian beliefs throughout my entire school life in the UK and that certainly helped my transition to atheism, and it is interesting that the UK is now significantly non religious. In contrast the USA is one of the most religious (Christian) countries in the world and Christianity is not taught in schools. A curious correlation I think. I could infer from this that USA parents tend to indoctrinate their children into Christianity whereas if it were taught more formally and factually at school then children might have a better chance of seeing the reality of Christianity and would be less likely to remain as Christians.

In this light Christian parents should be pleased that Islam is being taught in school so that children can see how ridiculous it is. Of course to maintain a balance a 3 week intensive course in Christianity should also be included so that the same children can see the foolishness of Christianity as well.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/2125204.stm

Check that out.

By the way, all this is false or else you would see it all over news.

Originally posted by Cris
In this light Christian parents should be pleased that Islam is being taught in school so that children can see how ridiculous it is. Of course to maintain a balance a 3 week intensive course in Christianity should also be included so that the same children can see the foolishness of Christianity as well.
Thanks for a great reply!!

I agree with you in most everything you say here, before reading your reply I would do anything to protect my kids from the teachings of Islam, but perhaps you have a point in allowing them to find out how ridiculous it is.

If my kids wanted to chose a religion I would introduce them to Christianity myself, but I would never force feed them it, nor would I allow anyone else to do so.

This article amused me to the fact - Never in a million years would Christianity be a compulsory subject to be taught to musims in muslim schools in a muslim country...lol :D

Originally posted by Pakman
By the way, all this is false or else you would see it all over news.
Why would something not be true just because it isn't on the news eh?

Check this out Pakman:

Never in a million years would Christianity be a compulsory subject to be taught to musims in muslim schools in a muslim country...

Would it Pakman???

So where does tolerance exist in the Muslim world? The answer, of course, is that it doesn’t exist!

There are schools in a Muslim country which do teach about Christianity. But I'm sure you never know because you never been to one.

Originally posted by Pakman
There are schools in a Muslim country which do teach about Christianity. But I'm sure you never know because you never been to one.
oh...I see.

And is it compulsory to teach Christianity to these muslim kids at these muslim schools in that muslim country eh?

By the way, what exactly is it that you say I've never been to:

is it a school, a muslim country, or a place which teaches Christianity????

I only lived in Pakistan til I was 10. So I don't know much about the other classes. I lived in the city of Karachi. I forgot the school name, but I did learn stuff about tolerance and stuff about other religions when I was 9. Also, there are even cathedrals you can find in Islamabad, which are protected by guards to prevent any bombings.

Also, in the one school you listed above, that school also teaches about Christianity, Buddhism, and Hinduism. My school here in Florida also tells us about the main 4 religons and some of Judism. It was part of World History class.

Originally posted by Cris
In this light Christian parents should be pleased that Islam is being taught in school so that children can see how ridiculous it is. [/B]

Or maybe childern can see how absurd christianity is, and by mingling with ever growing Muslim communities in the world, those young childern will grow to understand Islam far much better.

Things in the UK are quite amazing, Islam is spreading so fast and many churches are being bought and converted into mosques.

if you are familiar with Manchester ( The city where i lived many long years ) ask about Didsbury Mosque, it was cute church, now, it is amazing mosque.

if christian priests are converting to Islam, how about normal brain-washed christians ??

http://www.todayislam.com/yusuf.htm

:cool:

Originally posted by Cris
In this light Christian parents should be pleased that Islam is being taught in school so that children can see how ridiculous it is.

And this guy is a mod?

Originally posted by Pakman


And this guy is a mod? [/B]
Yes, Cris is a mod and a very intelligent one.

Even a mod has views too.

Does that shock you.....LOL! :D

Originally posted by Vienna
Yes, Cris is a mod and a very intelligent one.

Even a mod has views too.

Does that shock you.....LOL! :D

Yes, he is intelligent indeed. Every person has his own views, but last time I checked, a mod was to post his views in a good manneredship. Those are the qualites of a mod and that is how someone becomes a mod.

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
Or maybe childern can see how absurd christianity is, and by mingling with ever growing Muslim communities in the world, those young childern will grow to understand Islam far much better.

Things in the UK are quite amazing, Islam is spreading so fast and many churches are being bought and converted into mosques.

if you are familiar with Manchester ( The city where i lived many long years ) ask about Didsbury Mosque, it was cute church, now, it is amazing mosque.

if christian priests are converting to Islam, how about normal brain-washed christians ??

http://www.todayislam.com/yusuf.htm

:cool:
You make it sound as though all the priests in England are converting to Islam, thats a joke !!!!
I am very familiar with Manchester, shame it has gone downhill in terms of faith, but not to worry there are far greater things wrong with this country besides the eradication of Christianity, and it is true Islam is becoming the mainstream religion of the UK. But this has nothing to do with converts, but more to do with the invasion of immigrants over the last fifty years and still counting.

England is becoming an ugly place to live. I am not proud of this country anymore, the English people has been sold out by the Government time after time. Did you know that England is not recognised politically as a country, and did you know that you cannot lawfully claim to be English - period! There are many things people don't realise about this country.

I can tell Vienna does not like what he is hearing. Well, reading.

Originally posted by Pakman
I can tell Vienna does not like what he is hearing. Well, reading.
Where did you learn to speak English pakman??

The more I hear comments like I have makes me hate Islam and muslims more and more each day, is this what your god wants you to do? make people hate you and your religion? If this is so then your god is the devil itself.

I learned English here in America. I learned it from picking it up from people talking and from classes I took.

Anyway, as I have said in another topic, please do avoid all Islamic threads and posts. You are posting stuff here which might confuse someone and I'm posting either to clarify it or answer someone's question.

And no, God does not want us to make you hate us. He wants you to know the truth. But for the sake of this topic, let us not get into that. Thanks.

Originally posted by Vienna
Cheeky twat, I will post where I want

I take notice of mods not jumped up lttle starts like you.

Very well. Then don't complain that Muslims are shoving down stuff down your throat. You are practically asking about it.

Originally posted by Pakman


And this guy is a mod? [/B]

Yes bro, imagine what kind of FAIR mod is he ??

:bugeye:

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
Yes bro, imagine what kind of FAIR mod is he ??

:bugeye:
Whats up little ali baba, are you getting uptight because a mod doesn't agree with you and your perverse religion...so what!

Cris doesn't agree with me, and thats fine as far as I'm concerned. I respect Cris as a mod and her opinions, I suggest you do the same.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Vienna
[B]You make it sound as though all the priests in England are converting to Islam, thats a joke !!!!
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P S:

It is not a joke vienna, it is a fact....many priests are converting to islam because Islam presents the logical rational view of Jesus ( the man and the prophet not the God )

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I am very familiar with Manchester, shame it has gone downhill in terms of faith, but not to worry there are far greater things wrong with this country besides the eradication of Christianity,
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P S:

Manchester is certainly very violent place, i was stabbed and robbed in Oxford Road at 8 in the evening !!! imagine !! 8 in the evening and a police car standing just 200 meters away !!

I believe Islam will liberate you and liberate England from the material oppression you are suffering from.

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and it is true Islam is becoming the mainstream religion of the UK. But this has nothing to do with converts, but more to do with the invasion of immigrants over the last fifty years and still counting.
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P S:

I agree, immigration has a lot to do with the grow of Islam, but conversion is important factor too.

nothing wrong with immigration, you NEED it: it is me and my MUSLIM childern who will pay for your pensions:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2248531.stm

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England is becoming an ugly place to live. I am not proud of this country anymore, the English people has been sold out by the Government time after time. Did you know that England is not recognised politically as a country, and did you know that you cannot lawfully claim to be English - period! There are many things people don't realise about this country.
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P S:

You have EVERY right to be English, and the english should be recognized as a people and england should be recognized as a country, but did you know that England saint :ST.GEORGE is a FORIEGNER HIMSELF !!!

;)

Pakman,

Every person has his own views, but last time I checked, a mod was to post his views in a good manneredship.Where did you check? There are no rules for mods. This rule appears to be your own unsupported perception. However, don’t feel that I am just picking on Islam, I find all religions ridiculous. But they do have an enormous impact on world affairs and that is why I have a special interest in them.

Your complaint seems more to do with my views not agreeing with yours, but that has nothing to do with my being a mod.

Those are the qualites of a mod and that is how someone becomes a mod.You might have a case if I was personally attacking you or other members, but I do not do that. However, the subject matter is fair game for any level of support or attack.

And I see unfairness being where I might close threads I didn’t like, or edit members posts because I didn’t like their point of view, or ban members who didn’t agree with me. I do none of these things. However, I do occasionally, especially when activity is low, generate confrontational issues and often put myself as a target. The result is usually a lively and often heated debate. But then that is one of the objectives of the forum and in that case I think I do a good job.

If I make your blood boil and make you want to respond then defend your views and explain why my perspectives are wrong if you can, make a case for your position. But please do not criticize me for having opposing views - that has nothing to do with being a mod.

Proud,

You have made some claims that Islam is spreading in the UK and that Christians are significantly converting to Islam. I cannot find any statistics to support your assertions, do you have any?

I did find this link that seems to support your claim somewhat –

http://debate.org.uk/topics/isamasih/may97/growth.htm

And this article however does show some stats on religious beliefs in the UK.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/uk_rel.htm

Some brief extracts –

“The Institute for Social Research at the University of Michigan periodically conducts the World Values Survey. It polls a statistically valid sample of adults from a total of 60 nations. In their their 1995-1997 survey, they found that only 16% of the British adult population consider religion to be very important in their lives. This compares with 53% in the U.S., 14% in France, and 13% in Germany.”

"Jedism" appears to be the fourth most popular religion in the UK, with 390,000 adults (0.66% of the population) identifying themselves as followers of this religion. This refers to the spirituality expressed by the characters in Star Wars. These are the "May the force be with you" folks.

“A New Scientist Poll in 2002-Autumn showed that "55% of British public do not believe in a higher being." [b]Note that Muslims are only 2.7% and not all those are strong believers.

Thank you for clarifying that Cris. I go to another forum like Sciforums and that was how the mods were. I also noticed in any other forums I went to.

I took it as a personal attack on Islam by your post, but now I see your status on all religions.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Vienna
Thank you PS for a great reply! Dare I say it makes a refreshing change from all the flaming.
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P S:

Yes, it is a lot better like that.

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As for immigrants, and asylum seekers I always think that they will do well in this country. For example you have to look no further than Prince Phillip
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P S:

:D This is hillarious....I like this 'Prince' specially when he crack his own jokes !

Here you have something funny about him:

2003 - The Prince approached a group of parents in the hall at Sheffield’s Fir Vale school and asked, “Were you here in the bad old days, then?” Two women nodded politely, and the Prince said, “That’s why you can’t read and write then!”

2003 - Patriotic George Barlow, 14, wrote to the Queen and Prince Philip inviting them to his school in Redden Court Romford, Essex. But as Philip was introduced to nervous George during the visit he rudely barked, “Ah you’re the one who wrote the letter. So you can write then? Ha, ha! Well done.”

2003 - The Prince told bemused onlookers, "It is surprising the way things have changed since I first became chancellor of the university 50 years ago." But the university was only celebrating its 40th anniversary and the real chancellor is the opera singer Dame Janet Baker.

2002 - At the Bangladesh Youth Club, in Marylebone, Central London, embarrassed a boy of 14 by telling onlookers, "He looks as if he's on drugs" only moments after turning to the youngster's friends, and smirking, "So who's on drugs here?"

2002 - "Of course the problem with London is the tourists. They cause the congestion. They block the streets. If we could just stop tourism we could stop the congestion."

2002 - During the Queen's Jubilee visit to a North London Murugan Temple in North London, he asks a Sri Lankan priest, "Are you the Tamil Tigers?" LOOOOOOOOOL

2002 - In Australia as part of the Golden Jubilee "World Tour" after taking in a performance by an Aboriginal dance troop, he wisely avoids racial stereotypes by deftly asking an Aboriginal leader, “Do you still throw spears at each other?”

2002 - During the Golden Jubilee tour of Britain, he jokes, “Do you know they have eating dogs for the anorexic now?” upon confronting a visually impaired, wheelchair bound lady and her guide dog.

2001 - During a visit to Salford University to inspect the NOVA spacecraft, he asked a 13 year old schoolboy about the spacecraft before saying, "Well, you'll never fly in it, you're too fat to be an astronaut."

1999 - Whilst being shown around a high-tech electronics factory in Edinburgh, he notices a fuse box that's less advanced than other equipment that's around. So naturally, the completely unbigoted and misunderstood Duke automatically says, “It looks as though it was put in by an Indian.”

1999 - On a visit to the new Welsh Assembly and eventually coming across a group from the British Deaf Association. Upon seeing some young people with hearing impairments standing near a band, the Duke remarks: “Deaf? If you're near there [the music], no wonder you're deaf.”

1997 - On an official visit to Jallianwala Bagh and the ‘Flame of Liberty’ (a memorial to unarmed men, women and children who were butchered by General Reginald Dyer's British forces in 1919), the Duke reportedly said the Jallianwala Bagh tragedy was “vastly exaggerated.”

1996 - He makes an entirely perspicacious, intelligent and sensitive comment during the gun debate that follows the Dunblane massacre: “There's no evidence that people who use weapons for sport are any more dangerous than people who use golf clubs or tennis rackets or cricket bats.”

1995 - Never one to rely on stereotypes, he asks a Scottish driving instructor: “How do you keep the natives off the booze long enough to pass the test?”

1994 - Everybody knows that questioning a person's parentage is never a polite thing to do, well, except the good ol' Duke. During a spell in the Cayman Islands he asks a local: “Aren't most of you descended from pirates?”

1993 - He tells a Brit in Hungary: “You can't have been here that long - you haven't got a pot belly.”

1993 - He visits Lockerbie, scene of the Pan Am air disaster, where eleven locals died (killed by wreckage) along with those on board. For some strange reason, the locals are offended when he says: “People usually say that after a fire it's water damage that's the worst. We're still trying to dry out Windsor Castle.”

1992 - As an animal lover he declines to even touch one of Australia's most loved species, the Koala bear saying, “Oh no, I might catch some ghastly disease.”

1986 - On a tour of China, he single-handedly tries to end Sino-British diplomatic relations. He describes Beijing as “ghastly” and told a group of British students: “If you stay here much longer you'll all be slitty-eyed.”

1986 - Whilst it's true to say that the people of Hong Kong and China choose their ingredients from a wider selection than us, he oversteps the mark during a World Wildlife Fund conference saying, “If it's got four legs and it's not a chair, if it's got two wings and it flies but is not an aeroplane, and if it swims and it's not a submarine, the Cantonese will eat it.”

1984 - Upon being presented with a gift from a very obviously female Kenyan the ever gracious and courteous Duke inquires: “You are a woman, aren't you?”

1981 - At the peak of the recession, he sensitively jokes that: “Everybody was saying we must have more leisure. Now they're complaining they're unemployed.”

:D

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian

P S:

:D This is hillarious....I like this 'Prince' specially when he crack his own jokes !


:D Great stuff, thanks for that.

Seventh graders in a growing number of public schools, who are not permitted to wear a cross or speak the name of Jesus, are being required to attend an intensive three-week course on Islam - a course in which students are mandated to learn the tenets of Islam, study the important figures of the faith, wear a robe, adopt a Muslim name and stage their own Jihad.

Yeah, its compulsory, and in America.

http://www.crosswalk.com/news/religiontoday/1115944.html

http://www.blessedcause.org/BlessedCauseNews/BCNewsJuly6.htm

http://dailybeacon.utk.edu/article.php/4838

God is that a joke. It is compulasary for schools to teach to a moderate level about other religions that are in a high populated minority but it is gainst the law to force people (as you said it is compulasry) to learn abiut religion in th s depth and making them wear religoius uniforms is CERTAINLY against human rights. you chat shit Vienna. and remeber, it probably wasn;t Muslims who chose this idea,

[QUOTE=munim_786]God is that a joke. It is compulasary for schools to teach to a moderate level about other religions that are in a high populated minority but it is gainst the law to force people (as you said it is compulasry) to learn abiut religion in th s depth and making them wear religoius uniforms is CERTAINLY against human rights. you chat shit Vienna. and remeber, it probably wasn;t Muslims who chose this idea,
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M*W: Since when do American schools require students to learn about other religions? The schools should not be teaching ANY FORM OF RELIGION!

I recall when I was in elementary school, we had a weekly presentation by some Christian person who used felt to teach us Christianity. Even then I wasn't a Christian, and I never could understand at the age of 7-8 why they would be teaching us such crap. I can't believe they're still doing it.

M*W: Since when do American schools require students to learn about other religions? The schools should not be teaching ANY FORM OF RELIGION!

I recall when I was in elementary school, we had a weekly presentation by some Christian person who used felt to teach us Christianity. Even then I wasn't a Christian, and I never could understand at the age of 7-8 why they would be teaching us such crap. I can't believe they're still doing it.

Wow M*W I agree with you entirely on this one.(That must be a first ;) )

My eldest lad is 8 years old and I cringe when they teach Religious Education to kids at his school. He loves all the stuff, and I can't bring myself round to tell him its a load of old bunkum.
I wish schools would leave religion alone - firstly they are not even qualified to teach this subject. My son came home with a questionnaire. One of the questions was "Who is Jesus's father?"", So I told him the answer "God". When he came home the next day after handing the paper in, he told me that my answer was wrong and the school said Joseph was the father of Jesus. Geeeez, I guess the schools are now teaching kids that Joseph is God. :rolleyes:

It's impossible to teach history without religion.

It's impossible to teach history without religion.

True, an element of religion is history, but only a very basic knowledge is required to understand the link between both.

The education authority here does not make it compulsory for a child to study religious education.

True, an element of religion is history, but only a very basic knowledge is required to understand the link between both.

The education authority here does not make it compulsory for a child to study religious education.

The sooner all religion is eradicated from a child's mind, the sooner the human race can carry on evolving.

We should pick a religion to try my theory on.

Any suggestions...?

The Flemster.

Why on earth has this been brought up again? This is months old.

To be fair, Flemster person, we would need to do it on both Judeo-Christianity and Islam.

-- Long live the Female Messiah!

Why on earth has this been brought up again? This is months old.


munim dragged it out of the files again - ask him....

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Flemster - I believe Islam would be a perfect choice to try your theory on :D

munim dragged it out of the files again - ask him....

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Flemster - I believe Islam would be a perfect choice to try your theory on :D


Right. Islam it is!

(Sorry if I dragged up an old point but I dont get online as much as I'd like.)

The Flemster (is a he).

Why on earth has this been brought up again? This is months old.

To be fair, Flemster person, we would need to do it on both Judeo-Christianity and Islam.

-- Long live the Female Messiah!

I was actually being sarcastic. I'm in favour of ALL forms of religion being phased out as soon as possible. I just think Islam is a dangerous religion and should be shut down immediately.
Let's be honest, all this "my God is better than your God" bollocks is a bit playground-like, dont you think?

The Flemster.