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Adam
10-14-02, 09:33 AM
Some comments I found on a website somewhere:


According to Admiral William D. Leahy, Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and President Truman's Chief of Staff: "The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons... In being the first to use it [the atomic bomb], we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages."

"Japan was at that very moment seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face'... It wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing." (General Dwight David Eisenhower Commander in Chief of Allied Forces in Europe).

"It would be a mistake to suppose that the fate of Japan was settled by the atomic bomb. Her defeat was certain before the first bomb fell." (UK Prime Minister Winston Churchill.)

"Certainly prior to 31 December 1945... Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated." (US Strategic Bombing Survey, 1946.)

"General Curtis LeMay: 'The war would have been over in two weeks without the Russians entering and without the atomic bomb.'

Field Marshal Montgomery ( Commander of all UK Forces in Europe) wrote in his History of Warfare: It was unnecessary to drop the two atom bombs on Japan in August 1945, and I cannot think it was right to do so .... the dropping of the bombs was a major political blunder and is a prime example of the declining standards of the conduct of modern war.

Truman's Chief of Staff, Admiral Leahy, wrote: It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons ... In being the first to use it, we adopted an ethical standard common to the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in this fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children.

"The dropping of the first atomic bomb was also an act of pure terrorism. It fulfilled no military purpose of any kind. Belatedly it has been disclosed that seven months before it was dropped, in January 1945, President Roosevelt received via General MacArthur's headquarters an offer by the Japanese Government to surrender on terms virtually identical to those accepted by the United States after the dropping of the bomb: in July 1945, as we now know, Roosevelt's successor, President Truman, discussed with Stalin at Bebelsberg the Japanese offer to surrender....The Japanese people were to be enlisted as human guinea-pigs for a scientific experiment."
- F.J.P Veale, Advance To Barbarism: The Development Of Total Warfare From Serajevo To Hiroshima (California: Institute for Historical Review, 1979), pp.352-53.

goofyfish
10-14-02, 10:23 AM
Although un-cited, it is still more information which supports the
position previously espoused by many of us here. Thanks, Adam.

Peace.

_____________
Youth is the first victim of war - the first fruit of peace.
It takes 20 years or more of peace to make a man;
it takes only 20 seconds of war to destroy him.-- King Boudewijn I, King of Belgium (1934-1993)

CounslerCoffee
10-14-02, 01:09 PM
I say its bullcrap. So dont listen to me.

Xev
10-14-02, 02:22 PM
Y'all do realize this happened over 50 years ago, right? I mean, I'm sure there are more creative ways to bash the US.

" 'Oh you stupid bitch' - You stupid bitch?? Mickey, that's what my father used to say. I thought you could be a bit more creative than that!"

Reid
10-14-02, 03:31 PM
Both Germany and Japan worked on their own atomic bomb programs. Japan didn't have sufficient with Plutonium to complete a test bomb, they asked Germany for help. Germany sent a submarine named U-234 with over 500kg of Uranium oxide, used to make plutonium that is used in atomic bombs. Before this sub reached Japan, Germany surrendered the war. The sub sent their coordinates to allied ships, fake ones to the Canadians as they rather be captured by a US ship. US also knew that this sub had Uranium on board and hurried to pick them up.
This Uranium was later used in the very same bomb that hit Hiroshima

Irony at it's best

Well, point here is that maybe the US did the best thing in the current situation, they knew Japan was well on their way with their own atomic bomb. And Japan knew that the atomic bomb was their last hope to win the war, if they would have completed a bomb they would have used it.

Then why USA choosed Hiroshima and not a more military target is a shame, and lets not forget that bomb #2

GB-GIL Trans-global
10-14-02, 03:57 PM
Truman told the nation in a radio address that it had struck a military and NOT a civilian target.

Not that anybody cared, people probably wanted a damn Jap city to get blown to bits because Japs are subhuman :rolleyes:

CounslerCoffee
10-14-02, 04:20 PM
Xev is right. Nobody here has even mentioned Dresden.

Xev
10-14-02, 04:22 PM
Or the firebombing of Tokyo.

GB-GIL Trans-global
10-14-02, 04:24 PM
The US murdered the elephants at the Ueno Park Zoo :mad:

Xev
10-14-02, 04:25 PM
The US stole my milk money and broke my glasses!

Reid
10-14-02, 04:31 PM
Truman told the nation in a radio address that it had struck a military and NOT a civilian target.
"Well yea it hit a military target, no civilians where killed" Not excatly a smart weapon where you can pinpoint what you want to kill :)

*stRgrL*
10-14-02, 04:40 PM
Y'all do realize this happened over 50 years ago, right? I mean, I'm sure there are more creative ways to bash the US.

:D

What people fail to mention, is that the mentality of the world was a hell of a lot different than it is today. Patriotism, no matter how downlooked it is now - was huge back then. You were thought of as a traitor if you spoke up against your country - AND THAT GOES TO EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY OUT THERE! At the time we dropped the bombs the war was almost what? 30 years old, with almost 300,000 US soldiers already periched. So if your asking if the American/Allie people were happy the bombs were dropped, then I would say back then, hell yeah they were happy. Not that it makes it right, but things were alot different than they are today people.

CounslerCoffee
10-14-02, 05:47 PM
The Dresden Fire bombings were actually worse then the nuke droppin that occured in Japan. There were no military targets in Dresden, just civilians... Read the book SlaughterHouse-5 guys.

Adam
10-14-02, 10:07 PM
Wasn't meant as US bashing, I just thought people might be interested.