It's a poll, I'm known for them of course :C~ but this ones unique, it asks the question whether or not you believe killing data off in the series STNG was a good thing or bad. Honestly I can't believe they did it, after-all he'd already gained emotions, was pretty much set, then they came up with a stupid storyline that was so outlandish it's ridiculious. Nemesis was a terrible, horrible movie, it had no real class or even style. I remember seeing data die and thinking "and none of the cast objected to this?" Hell they'd been working together for eons and they didn't have a sense of Star Trekian History? You would think they'd have been more loyal to the damn series instead of letting some insane fuck kill data off....

Also some say Brent Spiner wanted data to die, that he was desperate for it, so have you heard anything similar? Even so how can an entire cast of STNG that's worked upteen seasons with the guy / storyline decide "yea let's kill data off, it's a fantastic idea seeing as he just got everything he wanted." For that matter isn't data always worrying about whether he had emotions or not an emotion in itself? Isn't worrying + concern = emotion? Why would an android that was completely logical even care about emotions, unless of course it WAS emotional??? It makes no sense...

logically data would conclude emotions are human feelings and he's an android, thus he doesn't need them. But here we find him pining over them like a cat over yarn, he is always desperate for them, but this isn't logical and no machine would behave this way :D

Nuff said about that... so the entire cast is a bunch of dumb shits with no real understanding of something they've acted for upteen seasons, that sux huh?

Here's a little script of my own I've put together:

Picard "Beverly, oh my... you're so sexy and fine, let's goto my quarters where I'll mount you like a goat mounts a mule."

Beverly "Yes Jean Luc, I luV u, make me your women."

Data "Please explain your emotions to me, why do you luV him?"

Picard "She luVs me because I'm the captain."

Beverly "No I don't, I luV him because he's got suck a big c**k."

Picard & Beverly "hahaha"

Data "Umm interesting, so the presence of a big mating organ immediately creates this luV?"

Beverly "Well no data, it's more than that, he's a handsome charming and elegent man."

Picard "That's not what you say when we're in bed."

Data "Ah, I see... good day"

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Yea.... lmao

So umm in what reality does an entire CAST of people who know the storyline and are fully versed in it ever, ever, ever choose to kill off data? Not this one I assure you, they must'a been doped up when this was decided...

And you wonder why you have no girlfriend.

Actually the Data death scene was levels of stupid as of yet un imagined. Why didn't anybody remember th both the shuttles and the captians yacht had independant transporters?

It's a... blah, blah...nonsense, nonsense... yadda, jabber, blabber... watsed oxygen...
When's this mystical, magickal date you're leaving for good, again ?

When's this mystical, magickal date you're leaving for good, again ?

You big gerk! I saw you voted all things, you're so mean :p

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hee hee hee...

I couldn't decide, because -
Data's death added more to the story even though Data's death was a terrible idea...
I wouldn't have allowed The crazy cast to let them kill Data off If I'd been on the cast, only Brent Spiner wanted Data to die - that's the only reason he did.

See what I mean ?

Data was getting old...the actor was getting OLDer.

I thought you said yesterday you aren't making anymore polls?

Brent Spiner wanted to go of and do differant things, but i will miss Data very much

Data was just a bunch of circuits and stuff, i never liked (it) i never knew
they killed it, is there just a remote chance it will be reincarnated or replaced by another of Dr junks creations?

Can a machine really die? Oh no, Data is dead! Call the repairman! Does anyone know where we put his warranty card?!!?

If they were to make another Next Gen movie, I would expect that Data would be back, somehow downloaded into Lore's body or that other Data copy. Or, this being Star Trek, they could invoke the time travel deus ex machina for the 1,232,792nd time, using that as an explanation for how he was saved.

The only thing sad about Data's "death" for me was that it was so poorly done...but the whole movie as so generally bad, that that was hardly surprising. Without Data's death, the movie would have been even worse. Personally, I think they should have killed off Picard, letting him sacrifice himself for his crew. That would have been even more poignant.

please boycott public polls.

Actually the Data death scene was levels of stupid as of yet un imagined. Why didn't anybody remember th both the shuttles and the captians yacht had independant transporters?

TW - very correct, or better yet, Data could have set his phaser to overload in the time he took to stare at the Thalaron generator, and used said independant transporters to escape. Or even the Scimitar's transporter itself, I don't recall any indication that their's was damaged.

However, Brent Spiner is getting old, and his age was showing even through the makeup...Data had forehead lines and extra fat around his cheeks and neck (impossible for an android right?)...Brent Spiner's Data had to be destroyed for the android to be reborn in future movies somehow. Perhaps as a CGI add on to a starship like the EMH or something.

It seems though that with the next Trek movie, everyone is going to be refreshed so it didn't matter.

As I understand it, there was some talk of Data being designed in such a way that he could mimic the aging process. That demonstrates how many times I watched Next Gen as a kid...I recall that pretty clearly.

(So confirmeth the star trek wiki which says "the seventh-season episode "Inheritance" established that Data has an aging program that ages his appearance." Link (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Data))

Data's death was necessary as they had to end TNG Somehow and they did it by splitting up the crew of the enterprise. Data was so human, ...

If they were to make another Next Gen movie, I would expect that Data would be back, somehow downloaded into Lore's body or that other Data copy.

It was "B4" and there was going to be a three year hiatus and then a "search for spock" type movie that was supposed to be the last for the TNG cast, in which B4 (also played by Spiner) would have undergone some sort of neuro restructuring to bring out is Data given memory engrams... thus bringing Data back.

Poorly done indeed.

However, Brent Spiner is getting old, and his age was showing even through the makeup...

Thus the issue of having robots, holograms and androids in movies.

Supposedly Data had incorporated an "aging" matrix into his physical being to allow him to age (on the outside) like human beings so that he would better experience the aging process.

~String

Here's a question for you ST nuts. I don't watch the show, but used to share a house with a fan, so picked up a bit. According to one show I saw, they said that the teleporters screened for infections by comparing the returning crew member to themselves when they beamed out, ... so, .... the ship has a complete copy of every crew member, so why can't they 'beam up' Data's equivalent bodyweight of stuff, and use the saved image of him on the computer to re-assemble it into a new 'Data'?

I know people therefore would never die tragically, and that might detract from the scripts somewhat, but have they ever explained why they can't do this?

Here's a question for you ST nuts. I don't watch the show, but used to share a house with a fan, so picked up a bit. According to one show I saw, they said that the teleporters screened for infections by comparing the returning crew member to themselves when they beamed out, ... so, .... the ship has a complete copy of every crew member, so why can't they 'beam up' Data's equivalent bodyweight of stuff, and use the saved image of him on the computer to re-assemble it into a new 'Data'?

I know people therefore would never die tragically, and that might detract from the scripts somewhat, but have they ever explained why they can't do this?

This is simple physics...after being exploded Data's molecules have converted to silicon and other various metallic ash, his positronic matrix energy dissipated etc. The transporter beam will only move the atoms that are there, not convert them to any other state.

With the removal of viruses, it is simply comparing to the image and leaving out the atoms that aren't supposed to be there. :)

Thus the issue of having robots, holograms and androids in movies.

Unless one uses CGI...they'd just need a model for movement and a voice.


Supposedly Data had incorporated an "aging" matrix into his physical being to allow him to age (on the outside) like human beings so that he would better experience the aging process.
~String

Nawww...his android parts simply can't age like humans. All that lovable little cybernetic nut did (in "All Good Things") is run a paint roller on top his hair :)

This is simple physics...after being exploded Data's molecules have converted to silicon and other various metallic ash, his positronic matrix energy dissipated etc. The transporter beam will only move the atoms that are there, not convert them to any other state.

With the removal of viruses, it is simply comparing to the image and leaving out the atoms that aren't supposed to be there. :)


That doesn't explain why they can't convert any old matter and re-assemble it into a new 'Data' based on the image they take when they leave the ship though does it? Clearly they are able to edit the incoming transporter beam, so a pile of stuff with the correct mass could be turned into anything, surely?

When Data was assembled by his creator, Noonien soong, there were very delicate processes that he had to calibrate, that knowledge and how he put everything together was lost when he died.
In the book set right after data died, people wanted to disassemble B4 in order to build data as he was an early prototype. . . .
So if you replicate everything that data was made of ( the computer image didn't capture how everything worked together, just what was there) you wouln't know what or where to begin.

You know what I would've liked, something like from that outer limits episode with Mary. That synthetic women robot that could have sex... god she was hot and would've been a very good lay, man god help me....

Oh yea the 1 thing I love about that episode more than anyother, first look here http://www.theouterlimits.com/episodes/season4/414.htm you'll see some stuff about it. Anyway in the unedited version Mary 25 is told to go recharge, she enters the bathroom and later in the night the guy comes... he's like "mary, are you there" and stuff.. she's like "yes" and he tells her to get on the sink thing, anyway they eventually end up having sex, he uses her like the Valerie robot was used, she bangs him good and he tells her "you're programmed to anticipate right, so do it" and she listens... lmao God I love that, she drops her clothing, he's like "are you fully functional" and she's like "yes" and stuff, lmao

Data has had sexual relations with Natasha Yar
unfortunately for you, there was no uncensored version.

It was "B4" and there was going to be a three year hiatus and then a "search for spock" type movie ... thus bringing Data back.

That would be eediat shit. Star Trek should let its dead rest in peace now and again. Not like Spock or Tasha...

Data had incorporated an "aging" matrix into his physical being to allow him to age like human beings so that he would better experience the aging process.

His mother android certainly did. She looked and felt human and thought she WAS human, though she was advanced design more than Data.. he might have some early version of her aging program.


I voted his death was good for the story. Not that he deserved it, but in war tragic shit does happen and a main character should be just as mortal as any red-shirted extras.. Everyone thought Data would out live all his friends, so HIS early death was maybe more tragic and poignat than anyone else wouldve been. :bawl:

So if you replicate everything that data was made of ( the computer image didn't capture how everything worked together, just what was there) you wouln't know what or where to begin.

That would completely invalidate the transporter. It has to disassemble and re-assemble everything down to the finest level of each synapse. People arrive alive, not needing CPR, the transporter somehow maintains the state of the body;alive during the process. That said, if there is an image for comparison, it should be able to be recreated, alive.

That said, if there is an image for comparison, it should be able to be recreated, alive.


Thatd be bad for story telling, if you could just bring back dead people from transporter records, like back ups of computer files.

The ships transport tech can make food or tools or machine parts from its records - but those arent alive, even if theyr made of protein & sugars or whatever. Maybe the transporter could re create a DEAD copy of someone, but not a LIVING one with a working mind & all its memories. Youd need far finer stored information for that.

That would completely invalidate the transporter. It has to disassemble and re-assemble everything down to the finest level of each synapse. People arrive alive, not needing CPR, the transporter somehow maintains the state of the body;alive during the process. That said, if there is an image for comparison, it should be able to be recreated, alive.


Good point, i guess his death was necessary, but the transporter assembles biological patterns, maybe they can't do artificial . ....
Also, yes, Data death was necessary it did add more to the story by making the U.S.S Titan possible.

he was soo dull

He was FUNNY. ... its like the random guy in real life situations who doesn't get a common reference or something. He added more to the story than some of the other characters.

If Data was so smart why couldn't he fix the holodeck so those oh so funny little mishaps didn't happen?

Because the mishaps were caused by unknown factors, give him a technical problem, he;ll fix it. however its more of a plot, with the holodeck etc.

If Data was so smart why couldn't he fix the holodeck so those oh so funny little mishaps didn't happen?

So much shit happend on holodecks theyshould have been banned to save lives, same as basejumping!

So much shit happend on holodecks theyshould have been banned to save lives, same as basejumping!

That's why I loved the Futurama parody, where Zap Brannigan's holodeck malfunctioned making "history's greatest villains" come to life: Attila the Hun, Jack the Ripper, Professor Moriarty, and "Evil Lincoln."

Professor Moriarty remarked: "Righto gents, it's another simulation gone mad, murder and mayhem, standard procedure."

So much shit happend on holodecks theyshould have been banned to save lives, same as basejumping!

Or driving.

Or driving.

Come on though, we NEED driving. Star Fleet dont need holodecks that make real conscious bad guys who try taking over the ship!

Data sucks

Data sucks

You're wrong :P

i didnt know data died,

peace.

You're wrong :P
no im right

no im right

Whadda you know ?

You got waxed by a guy with red & black face paint...

Sort of an evil clown...
:p