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Bowser
06-03-00, 06:49 PM
<img src = "http://users.esc.net.au/~nitro/BBoard_member_gifs/bowser_anim.gif"> Coming soon to a message board near you... Various quotes from around the World and history...<img src = "http://www.exosci.com/ubb/icons/icon6.gif">

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Tiassa
06-04-00, 02:57 AM
History is a lie, agreed upon. (Napoleon, allegedly)

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We are unutterably alone, essentially, especially in the things most intimate and important to us. (Ranier Maria Rilke)

Bowser
06-04-00, 05:03 AM
<img src = "http://users.esc.net.au/~nitro/BBoard_member_gifs/bowser_anim.gif"> Cool. Thanks <img src = "http://www.exosci.com/ubb/icons/icon6.gif">

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Bowser
06-04-00, 01:06 PM
"Don't give up the ship!"

Capt. James Lawrence, US Frigate Chesapeake

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Bowser
06-04-00, 01:29 PM
"New occassions teach new duties; Times makes ancient good uncouth; They must upward still, and onward, who would keep abreast the truth; Lo, before us gleam her camp-fires! we ourselves must Pilgrims be, Launch our Mayflower, and steer boldly through the desperate winter sea, Nor attempt the future's portal with the past's blood-rusted key."

--James Russel Lowell

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Oxygen
06-04-00, 11:42 PM
"Kill them all. Let God sort them out."-One of the popes, but I don't remember which one.

Oxygen
06-04-00, 11:46 PM
"... and I took the intiative in creating the Internet." (Al Gore)

"If Al Gore created the Internet, then I created spellchecker." (Dan Quayle)

Bowser
06-05-00, 03:18 AM
Gore... Funny. Thanks. <img src = "http://www.exosci.com/ubb/icons/icon7.gif">

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Bowser
06-05-00, 02:43 PM
"We hold these truths to be self-evident--that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

--Thomas Jefferson, Declaration of Independence


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Bowser
06-05-00, 02:49 PM
"Something there is that doesn't love a wall
That sends the frozen ground-swell under it
And spills the upper boulders in the sun."

--Robert Frost


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Oxygen
06-05-00, 11:55 PM
"If the sun ever sets on democracy, it will never rise again." Franklin D. Roosevelt

Bowser
06-06-00, 12:08 PM
"What luck for the rulers that men do not think."
-- Adolf Hitler

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Bowser
06-06-00, 04:06 PM
"Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names."
-- John F. Kennedy

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Tiassa
06-06-00, 05:33 PM
Liberty will not descend to a people; a people must raise themselves to Liberty.

--Emma Goldman

Bowser
06-07-00, 12:27 PM
"Humanity has advanced, when it has advanced, not because it has been sober, responsible, and cautious, but because it has been playful, rebellious, and immature."

-- Tom Robbins

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Bowser
06-08-00, 12:01 PM
"The first half of our life is ruined by our parents and the second half by our children."

-- Clarence Darrow

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Bowser
06-08-00, 12:40 PM
"Men of lofty genius when they are doing the least work are most active."

-- Leonardo da Vinci

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Oxygen
06-09-00, 01:02 AM
"If I was going to attack you, you'd have that microphone stand through your head." -Bruce Dickinson of Iron Maiden on VH1's The List

(I know, it's not as intellectual and meaningful as the other posts, but it had to be said.)

666
06-09-00, 01:51 AM
"Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast, for it is a human number; and his number is Six Hundred, Threescore and six." --Revelation 13:18

He's also registered at exosci.

Bowser
06-09-00, 04:16 AM
"It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees."

-- Emiliano Zapata

"Most rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read."

-- Frank Zappa


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Stretch
06-09-00, 09:39 AM
Hi,

" To see a world in a grain of sand
And a heaven in a wild flower,
Hold infinity in the palm of your hand
And eternity in a hour."

Wiliam Blake ... 1757-1827

Take care

Bowser
06-09-00, 05:59 PM
"Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more."

--Shakespeare

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Oxygen
06-09-00, 11:46 PM
Life is real! Life is earnest!
And the grave is not its goal.

-Longfellow, A Psalm of Life

dexter
06-10-00, 03:58 PM
"luke, i am your father" -darth vader (anikan skywalker)

"thats your ship??? your braver than i thought" -princess leia,

as the good revreran would say, quote this particular mission, we will never know, but i do know, here today that the black nights will emerge victorious, once again!!!
-jimmy (independence day, and my grad speech.

WEVE' GOT TO GO BACK FOR, for who, BACK TO THE FUTURE!!!
-DOC

"another one bites the dust" -anomynous

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when christianity ruled the world, it was called the dark ages.

-dexter (nimrod242 :aol sn)

Bowser
06-10-00, 04:07 PM
Dexter,

Just a correction...

"another one bites the dust"

--Lyrics from a song by Queen.

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Oxygen
06-10-00, 10:17 PM
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -B. Disraeli (attributed to him by Mark Twain in his Autobiography)

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Bowser
06-11-00, 04:16 AM
"Anyway, no drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power."

-- P. J. O'Rourke

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Tiassa
06-11-00, 06:37 PM
"A history teacher may have once told you that we study history in order to avoid the mistakes of history. It's a tidy idea that ought to work, but often doesn't. You can study history until your eyeballs wrinkle, then look up, only to discover that someone else already made a mistake for you; and the guy who made the mistake will most likely tell you how fortunate you are to fight a war he began, or suffer an economic depression caused by his excess.

The better answer is that we study history to understand ourselves, and thus the minds and emotions of our characters."

--Jack Cady

Tiassa
06-11-00, 06:41 PM
"Destiny itself is like a wonderful wide tapestry in which every thread is guided by an unspeakably tender hand, placed beside another thread, and held and carried by a hundred others." (Ranier Maria Rilke)



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Tiassa
06-11-00, 06:45 PM
I need to browbeat y'all with one more; I must apologize. But the Rilke "Destiny" quote I posted got me thinking about this one, from Clive Barker

Nothing ever begins

There is no first moment; no single word or place from which this or any other story springs.

The threads can always be traced back to some earlier tale, and to the tales that preceded that; though as the narrator's voice recedes the connections will seem to grow more tenuous, for each age will want the tale told as if it were of its own making.

Thus the pagan will be sanctified, the tragic become laughable; great lovers will stoop to sentiment, and demons dwindle to clockwork toys.

Nothing is fixed. In and out the shuttle goes, fact and fiction, mind and matter woven into patterns that may have only this in common: that hidden among them is a filigree that will with time become a world.

I humbly decist this hijacking of the board.

--Tiassa :cool:

Oxygen
06-11-00, 11:03 PM
"Nothing quite brings out the zest for life in a person like the thought of their impending death." -Jhonen Vasquez, Johnny the Homicidal Maniac: Traumatize Thy Neighbor

Bowser
06-16-00, 02:01 PM
"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimist fears this is true."

-- James Branch Cabell, The Silver Stallion

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Bowser
06-16-00, 02:05 PM
"The optimist sees opportunity in every danger; the pessimist sees danger in every opportunity."

-- Winston Churchill

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Tiassa
06-16-00, 03:53 PM
The optimist sees the glass as half-full; the pessimist sees the glass as half-empty; the realist sees the water in the glass and calls it polluted. (Anonymous, to my knowledge)

Bowser
06-16-00, 06:15 PM
"You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because thorns have roses."

-- Ziggy, character in comic strip by Tom Wilson


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Oxygen
06-17-00, 01:08 AM
"Two men look out through the same bars:
One sees the mud, and one the stars."

-F. Langbridge, A Cluster of Quiet Thoughts

"Twixt optimist and pessimist
The difference is droll:
The optimist sees the doughnut,
The pessimist the hole."

-McL. Wilson, Optimist and Pessimist

Oxygen
08-16-00, 01:40 AM
"What do you think of Western civilization?"
"I think it would be a good idea."
-an interchange between a reporter and Ghandi

Shadowflame
08-16-00, 02:18 AM
"Some people look at things that are, and ask 'why'? Some people think of things that aren't and ask 'why not'? Some people have to go to work and don't have time for all that shit."
George Carlin

Cherrs!

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Questions? Comments? Concerns?

Oxygen
08-17-00, 02:12 AM
I found this one in the back of a book and thought it was so beautiful I just had to post it. The moment I heard my first love story, I started looking for you, not knowing how blind that was. Lovers don't finally meet somewhere. They're in each other all along. -Moulana Rumi

On a personal note, I know first hand what it means. May you all be so fortunate.

ozarky
08-17-00, 02:22 AM
I have sworn on the altar of Almighty God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.

ozarky
08-17-00, 02:28 AM
I HAVE SWORN ON THE ALTAR OF ALL MIGHTY GOD
ETERNAL HOSTILITY AGAINST EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN.
THOMAS JEFFERSON

SMILE IN THE FACE OF ADVERSITY

ozarky
08-17-00, 02:36 AM
"WE CAN'T BE SO FIXATED ON OUR DESIRE
TO PRESERVE THE RIGHTS OF ORDINARY AMERICANS.
Bill Clinton (USA today, 11 March 1993)

HA HA SHE CRIED, SHOOK HER WOODEN LEG AND DIED

Bowser
08-17-00, 02:10 PM
You have to live before you die, or you'll die before you live.

-- Peter Sellers

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Flash
08-18-00, 02:46 PM
"Someday, maybe, there will exist a well-informed, well-considered, and
yet fervent public conviction that the most deadly of all possible sins
is the mutilation of a child's spirit."
--Erik Erikson

Bowser
08-18-00, 03:25 PM
America is the only nation in history which miraculously has gone directly from barbarism to degeneration without the usual interval of civilization.

-- Georges Clemenceau

<hr>


Good government generally begins in the family, and if the moral character of a people once degenerate, their political character must soon follow.

-- Elias Boudinot

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Flash
08-19-00, 09:53 AM
"It's going to be a long hard drag, but we'll make it."
--Janis Joplin

"Patience and perseverance at length / Accomplish more than
anger or brute strength."
--Jean de La Fontaine

Flash
08-19-00, 10:08 AM
If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.
- Derek Bok

In politics stupidity is not a handicap.
- Napoleon Bonaparte

Bowser
09-05-00, 01:12 PM
"Education is the most powerful weapon which you can use to change the world."

-Nelson Mandela


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Bowser
09-05-00, 01:16 PM
"A lie told often enough becomes the truth."

-Lenin


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Bowser
09-05-00, 01:23 PM
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

-Arthur Schopenhauer



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Oxygen
09-06-00, 03:16 AM
Reform must come from within, not from without. You cannot legislate for virtue.--Cardinal Gibbons, Address, 1909

Bowser
09-06-00, 04:45 AM
Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.

-George Bernard Shaw

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"We must face the fact that the preservation of individual freedom is incompatible with a full satisfaction of our views of distributive justice."

--F.A. Hayek

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"Democracy does not guarantee equality of conditions - it only guarantees equality of opportunity."

-Irving Kristol

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Stretch
09-06-00, 07:02 AM
"Just a coincidence ... nothing to worry about"

David Icke

Bowser
09-06-00, 02:46 PM
"The death of democracy is not likely to be an assassination from ambush. It will be a slow extinction from apathy, indifference, and undernourishment."

Robert Hutchins

Oxygen
09-07-00, 03:28 AM
For when the One Great Scorer comes to write against your name,
He marks-not that you won or lost-but how you played the game.
---Grantland Rice, Alumnus Football

Bowser
09-07-00, 05:19 AM
"Just before i die, I'll convert to as many different religions as I can. That way I'm saved, no matter who's right."

-Jonathan Rotondo


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Oxygen
09-07-00, 11:57 AM
All religions must be tolerated...for...every man must get to heaven his own way. -- Frederick the Great, In re Catholic Schools, 1740

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Bowser
09-07-00, 02:15 PM
"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to Heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all."

-Thomas Jefferson

Cable Man
09-10-00, 06:47 PM
Excerpts from a speech given at the second Virginia Convention-March 23, 1775 by Patrick Henry suggesting it was time for action by the American colonies aganist the British and its rising military presence.

...Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with these warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled, that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motives for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us; they can be meant for no other...And what have we to oppose them...Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne...Sir we are not weak, if we make a proper use of the means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. Three millions of people armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations; and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave...There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable---and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come!...Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!

Tiassa
09-13-00, 09:45 PM
Publishers, theatrical managers, and critics ask not for the quality inherent in creative art, but will it meet with a good sale, will it suit the palate of the people? Alas, this palate is like a dumping ground; it relishes anything that needs no mental mastication. As a result, the mediocre, the ordinary, the commonplace represents the chief literary output.

--Emma Goldman
Minorities Versus Majorities, 1917
http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Goldman/Writings/Anarchism/minorities.html

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Whether God exists or does not exist, He has come to rank among the most sublime and useless truths.--Denis Diderot

dexter
09-13-00, 11:41 PM
"you ar not my friend, you are my foe, you are 2 feet tall, you cant play basket ball, Its a dwarf invasion!m ****shut up dirk!*****" -reggie and teh full effect

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when christianity ruled the world, it was called the dark ages!
THANK GOD FOR ATHEISM!

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dexter
09-14-00, 12:03 AM
"to kill one man is a tragedy, to kill a thousand is a strategy" -stalin(not my dead cat)

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when christianity ruled the world, it was called the dark ages!
THANK GOD FOR ATHEISM!

voice mail: 1-800-222-6000
pin#- 2442235

Bowser
09-14-00, 04:21 AM
"To legislate in advance of public opinion is merely to produce anarchy instead of maintaining law and order."

Alexander Mackenzie


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Oxygen
09-14-00, 11:24 AM
Here'sa couple of famous quotes and their less famous responses:

"Taxation without representation is tyranny!" --Patrick Henry

"With representation it ain't so hot either!" --MAD Magazine


"I have returned." --General Douglas MacArthur upon his return to the Philippines

"It's about damned time!" --an anonymous GI who has yet to be identified and was skillfully editted out of the newsreels

Cable Man
09-15-00, 02:26 AM
Be vawy ca-fow...wabbits aw vawy cwafty cwechews!!

Elmer Fudd

AW-What's up Doc?!

Bugs Bunny

Bowser
09-15-00, 05:31 PM
"La, la- la, la-; La, la- la, la-; Elmo's Wor-ld
La, la- la, la-; La, la- la, la-; Elmo's Wor-ld..."

--Elmo

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Oxygen
09-20-00, 12:25 AM
The world is a nettle; disturb it, it stings. Grasp it firmly, it stings not. -Owen Meredith, Lucille

Tiassa
10-09-00, 09:01 PM
If we're going to quote things as long as Bowser's prior quote, we might as well quote it correctly. Below is a reprint of Bowser's quote. I have restored that which was exscinded from the original text, in order that the proper and intended context be spoken for. (Nice try. ;) )
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/pwh/swift1.html is the address for the current version.




Michael Swift: "Gay Revolutionary"

from Gay Community News, Feb. 15-21, 1987

(reprinted from The Congressional Record, with preface restored)


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In 1987, Michael Swift was asked to contribute an editorial piece to GCN, an important gay community magazine, although well to the left of most American gay and lesbian opinion. [b]A decade later this text, printed in the Congressional Record is repeatedly cited, apparently verbatim, by the religious right as evidence of the "Gay Agenda". The video Gay Rights, Special Rights, put out by Lou Sheldon's Traditional Values Coalition cites it with ominous music and picture of children. But when the religious rights cites this text, they always omit, as does the Congressional record, the vital first line, which sets the context for the piece. In other words, every other version of this found on the net is part of the radical right's great lie about gay people. For a discussion of the whole "Gay vs. Religious Right" phenomenon see Chris Bull and John Gallagher: Perfect Enemies: The Religious Right, the Gay Movement, and the Politics of the 1990s, (New York: Crown, 1996)


This essay is an outré, madness, a tragic, cruel fantasy, an eruption of inner rage, on how the oppressed desperately dream of being the oppressor.

We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, in your movie theater bathrooms, in your army bunkhouses, in your truck stops, in your all male clubs, in your houses of Congress, wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us.

Women, you cry for freedom. You say you are no longer satisfied with men; they make you unhappy. We, connoisseurs of the masculine face, the masculine physique, shall take your men from you then. We will amuse them; we will instruct them; we will embrace them when they weep. Women, you say you wish to live with each other instead of with men. Then go and be with each other. We shall give your men pleasures they have never known because we are foremost men too, and only one man knows how to truly please another man; only one man can understand the depth and feeling, the mind and body of another man.

All laws banning homosexual activity will be revoked. Instead, legislation shall be passed which engenders love between men.

All homosexuals must stand together as brothers; we must be united artistically, philosophically, socially, politically and financially. We will triumph only when we present a common face to the vicious heterosexual enemy.

If you dare to cry faggot, fairy, queer, at us, we will stab you in your cowardly hearts and defile your dead, puny bodies.

We shall write poems of the love between men; we shall stage plays in which man openly caresses man; we shall make films about the love between heroic men which will replace the cheap, superficial, sentimental, insipid, juvenile, heterosexual infatuations presently dominating your cinema screens. We shall sculpt statues of beautiful young men, of bold athletes which will be placed in your parks, your squares, your plazas. The museums of the world will be filled only with paintings of graceful, naked lads.

Our writers and artists will make love between men fashionable and de rigueur, and we will succeed because we are adept at setting styles. We will eliminate heterosexual liaisons through usage of the devices of wit and ridicule, devices which we are skilled in employing.

We will unmask the powerful homosexuals who masquerade as heterosexuals. You will be shocked and frightened when you find that your presidents and their sons, your industrialists, your senators,your mayors, your generals, your athletes, your film stars, your television personalities, your civic leaders, your priests are not the safe, familiar, bourgeois, heterosexual figures you assumed them to be. We are everywhere; we have infiltrated your ranks. Be careful when you speak of homosexuals because we are always among you; we may be sitting across the desk from you; we may be sleeping in the same bed with you.

There will be no compromises. We are not middle-class weaklings. Highly intelligent, we are the natural aristocrats of the human race, and steely-minded aristocrats never settle for less. Those who oppose us will be exiled.

We shall raise vast private armies, as Mishima did, to defeat you. We shall conquer the world because warriors inspired by and banded together by homosexual love and honor are invincible as were the ancient Greek soldiers.

The family unit-spawning ground of lies, betrayals, mediocrity, hypocrisy and violence--will be abolished. The family unit, which only dampens imagination and curbs free will, must be eliminated. Perfect boys will be conceived and grown in the genetic laboratory. They will be bonded together in communal setting, under the control and instruction of homosexual savants.

All churches who condemn us will be closed. Our only gods are handsome young men. We adhere to a cult of beauty, moral and esthetic. All that is ugly and vulgar and banal will be annihilated. Since we are alienated from middle-class heterosexual conventions, we are free to live our lives according to the dictates of the pure imagination. For us too much is not enough.

The exquisite society to emerge will be governed by an elite comprised of gay poets. One of the major requirements for a position of power in the new society of homoeroticism will be indulgence in the Greek passion. Any man contaminated with heterosexual lust will be automatically barred from a position of influence. All males who insist on remaining stupidly heterosexual will be tried in homosexual courts of justice and will become invisible men.

"We shall rewrite history, history filled and debased with your heterosexual lies and distortions. We shall portray the homosexuality of the great leaders and thinkers who have shaped the world. We will demonstrate that homosexuality and intelligence and imagination are inextricably linked, and that homosexuality is a requirement for true nobility, true beauty in a man.

"We shall be victorious because we are fueled with the ferocious bitterness of the oppressed who have been forced to play seemingly bit parts in your dumb, heterosexual shows throughout the ages. We too are capable of firing guns and manning the barricades of the ultimate revolution.

Tremble, hetero swine, when we appear before you without our masks.


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Whether God exists or does not exist, He has come to rank among the most sublime and useless truths.--Denis Diderot

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Bowser
10-10-00, 04:23 AM
"But when the religious rights cites this text, they always omit, as does the Congressional record, the vital first line, which sets the context for the piece"

Tiassa, to be fare, I searched for a back-issue online, but I wasn't able to find it. If you can provide me with a link to an online issue of the original publication of that editorial piece, I will take your source version as the fact. Until then, the most reliable source for the actual text is the Congressional record. It is very possible that the top first line was ommitted by the Oppressors, but it could just be that that first line was never there. Check it out. It is possible that that first line was lost to time and memory--I and most others would never have had an opportunity to read the first print of that piece back in '87. I go with the sources which I trust, but I understand that it's not perfect.

I followed your link to its source: http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/
I bookmarked it for the future (looks very good...thanx).

My Search:
http://www.lycos.com/srch/?loc=meta_index&ss=971156636%7C2&query=Gay+Community+News&SWR=GCN&x=63&y=16

Congressional Record:

cri87 SWIFT, MICHAEL
America--Is This the Gay Declaration of War?, 21195
[27JY]

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Tiassa
10-10-00, 02:57 PM
Still searching for the most original link.

In the meantime, http://www.vcyamerica.org/swift.html is a Christian ministry which uses the omitted line; in fact, the screen I've linked you to makes its inclusion vital to the ministry's position on the article. That position is as follows:

One additional note: Some homosexual groups are accusing what they call the "religious right" of printing the article as it appeared in the Congressional Record, without an opening statement of its purpose. This statement apparently was missing from the Congressional Record version of the essay, but the NFD Journal included it in their publication, and it is included here as well.

Even though the opening statement is put forth as evidence that the contents are not an "agenda", strictly speaking, a look at the history of the "gay rights" movement in the past decade makes it clear that Mr. Swift is not the only homosexual to have this "dream".

Seems like they're assuming much about the author's intent. I mention that because that kind of hollow assumption seems to be of interest, lately.

My own web search has resulted in a note that GCN, the original publisher of Swift's tirade, went out of business in 1992.

The important thing now is the Congressional Record, eh? As long as you're standing on it, would you mind telling me what date it was entered, by whom, and under what circumstances?

Or, are those not important?

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

(Edit--to confirm date of GCN cessation; I got it from the first available link of Bowser's Lycos search.)
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Whether God exists or does not exist, He has come to rank among the most sublime and useless truths.--Denis Diderot

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Tiassa
10-10-00, 03:00 PM
From the Congressional Record, 1834. On The Deist's Immortality. By Lysander Spooner.

Compared with these [Deist] views and prospects, how puerile is the heaven of Christians--how enervating to the mind their languishing and dreamy longings after a monotonous and unnatural bliss. Many of them do indeed believe in the eternal progress of the soul-but they obtain not this belief from the Bible. It was the much scoffed at theology of reason and nature, that taught to them this doctrine, which is, above all others connected with the future, valuable to man while here, and honorable to Deity.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:
http://www.lysanderspooner.org/DeistImm.htm

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Whether God exists or does not exist, He has come to rank among the most sublime and useless truths.--Denis Diderot

Bowser
10-10-00, 08:04 PM
<img src = "http://www.exosci.com/ubb/icons/icon10.gif"> I stand corrected: http://www.vcyamerica.org/swift.html

Very good, Tiassa. You have found a site whose motives I do not question. I removed my original post. Certainly, that first line should be included.

Thanx for your efforts.

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"Seems like they're assuming much about the author's intent. I mention that because that kind of hollow assumption seems to be of interest, lately."

Start a new topic and we will see how far we can argue the value of that assumption.
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Bowser
10-10-00, 08:57 PM
Interesting fellow, that Spooner...
http://www.lawcasella.com/spooner/LetterToBayard.htm

Thanx for sharing those links.

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Oxygen
10-15-00, 01:30 AM
"Life is interesting. Discuss." -seen on a coffee cup at Starbuck's

Tiassa
10-15-00, 11:56 PM
"Seems like they're assuming much about the author's intent. I mention that because that kind of hollow assumption seems to be of interest, lately."
Start a new topic and we will see how far we can argue the value of that assumption.

Didn't I do this when I threw a tantrum over in the Religious Discussions board about theistic trends regarding atheism?

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

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Whether God exists or does not exist, He has come to rank among the most sublime and useless truths.--Denis Diderot

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Tiassa
10-15-00, 11:58 PM
You have found a site whose motives I do not question.

So does that mean that Christian ministry is the qualification for trust?

If I call myself Christian, do you automatically trust me? Or do I have to be a Christian who agrees with what you think God says?

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

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Whether God exists or does not exist, He has come to rank among the most sublime and useless truths.--Denis Diderot

Cris
11-03-00, 03:20 PM
Some lite relief -

Opera is people singing when they should be talking.

And.

Rap is people talking when they should be singing.

I have failed to appreciate either.

Cris
11-03-00, 03:26 PM
“Be tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving, and tolerant of the weak and wrong. Sometime in your life, you will have been all of these.” - Anonymous.

There is no failure except in no longer trying. - Anonymous.

The person who insists upon seeing with perfect clearness before they decide – never decides. - Henry Frederick Ameil.