Church demands apology from Muslims 9/11, 7/7 attacks

Scotland's Roman Catholics' called for Muslims to apologise for the 9/11 & 7/7 attacks


Scotsman.com ^ | 21,Oct, 2006
http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1563542006 Scotland on Sunday, UK - O'Brien urges Muslims to say sorry for 9/11 THE leader of Scotland's Roman Catholics, Cardinal Keith O'Brien, has called for Muslims to apologise for the 9/11 and 7/7 bomb attacks, declaring that the public should not have to live "in fear of attack" from believers of the Islamic faith.

I hope he won't get lynched...

Cardinal O'Brien. Where do you think he might be from, then?
Well now, if I were to get any threats I might just have to send a couple of the fellas round to have a little word with the miscreants. Since this peace business broke out in the north some of the lads have been getting awful fretful.

Isn't that like christians apologising for the KKK?

Hi All

what i would like to know who is the head of World wide Islam

I dont know!!!

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The Pope apologised for uttering a few words that upset the muslims


Now it's the turn of the muslims to apologise - seems fair enough

Isn't that like christians apologising for the KKK?

Exactly.

The KKK were Christian Fundamentalists support and funded by the Christian church all over Europe and America.

Since the Christian Church does have earthly leaders they can be held accountable for its actions.

Islam doesn't however, so they cannot.

Exactly.

The KKK were Christian Fundamentalists support and funded by the Christian church all over Europe and America.




How were they funded - and by who in particular

How is that fair. The Pope is responsible for himself, muslims aren't responsible for every other muslim.

How is that fair. The Pope is responsible for himself, muslims aren't responsible for every other muslim.


Well its about time they got themselves organised then.

Exactly.

The KKK were Christian Fundamentalists support and funded by the Christian church all over Europe and America.

Since the Christian Church does have earthly leaders they can be held accountable for its actions.

Islam doesn't however, so they cannot.


I guess that lets them off the hook - yet again.

How were they funded - and by who in particular
I haven't heard an apology for the KKK either. Specifically not from EVERY christian, which is what's being asked if I'm correct.

Exactly.

The KKK were Christian Fundamentalists support and funded by the Christian church all over Europe and America.




How were they funded - and by who in particular

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

The name "Ku Klux Klan" has since been used by many different unrelated groups, including many who opposed the Civil Rights Act and desegregation in the 1950s and 1960s. Some members of these groups eventually were convicted of murder and manslaughter in the deaths of Civil Rights workers and children (such as in the bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church in Alabama). Today dozens of organizations with chapters across the United States and other countries use all or part of the name in their titles, but their total membership is estimated to be only a few thousand. These groups, with operations in separated small local units, are considered extreme hate groups. The modern KKK has been repudiated by all mainstream media and mainstream political and religious leaders.

al Qaeda apologise? Fat chance of that.

Hi

Thank you for the interesting posts

I was wondering who from the Islamic world should apologise for Alqueda.??..

who's apology is going to be good enough....

I am sure the overwhelming majority of muslims are sorry for the evil acts of Alqueda....because these numbskulls do more harm to muslims than non muslims...


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Well its about time they got themselves organised then.

???

So Muslims have to have one overall leader? They are organized. They have their clerics and imams.

How were they funded - and by who in particular

The KKK was a dominant force in America in the late 1800s and early 1900s. They had supporters in the White House and churches all over America. It was a very sad and pathetic time in US history, something that most Americans choose to ignore and gloss over rather than confront it and admit it.

The KKK was a dominant force in America in the late 1800s and early 1900s. They had supporters in the White House and churches all over America. It was a very sad and pathetic time in US history, something that most Americans choose to ignore and gloss over rather than confront it and admit it.


Yes - It appears that my previous question has been "glossed" over. Its expected that muslims will try to connect the KKK with the Church.

I doubt very much that the Church and the White House had anything to do with the KKK, unless anyone knows otherwise.

This is an outrage as I see it, and I'm not a muslim. There is no equality in this request, no humanism.

The KKK IS a christian group. 100%, they use the Bible to justify everything they do. Just like al Qaeda uses Islam to justify what it does. I thought this was common knowledge?

The KKK IS a christian group. 100%, they use the Bible to justify everything they do. Just like al Qaeda uses Islam to justify what it does. I thought this was common knowledge?


No it isn't common knowledge - Please give examples - And please tell me how the Church and the White House funded the KKK - No-one has come up with any answers yet.




Ku Klux Klan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KKK


Ku Klux Klan (KKK) is the name of a number of past and present fraternal organizations in the United States that have advocated white supremacy, anti-Semitism, racism, anti-Catholicism


Hmm - anti-Catholicism ?????

But Oniw said they were 100% Christian.... LOL :rolleyes:

In reality, their religious affiliations mirrored the whole of white Protestant society, including those who did not belong to any church.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

In reality, their religious affiliations mirrored the whole of white Protestant society, including those who did not belong to any church


But Oniw - You said they were 100% Christian

You have just shown in your example that isn't true.

Have a look through this list and try to identify the Exact denomination they belonged to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations


They had supporters in the White House and churches all over America.


The KKK were Christian Fundamentalists support and funded by the Christian church all over Europe and America.




What supporters in the White House?

What Churches all over Europe?

How were they supported AND funded by the Christian Church all over Europe and America?

Where's the answers?


Now I do not condone what the KKK did by any stretch, they were a horrible bunch of people - but what I do detest is the way that Muslims always try to connect the KKK to Christianity just because terrorism has fucked up their religion.

What exact denomination of Islam does al Qaeda belong to?

Al-Qaeda or al-Qaida (القاعدة, translit: al-Qā`ida; "the Law", "the foundation", "the base" or "the database") is an armed Sunni Islamist organization with the stated objective of eliminating foreign influence in Muslim countries, and reestablishing the califate.

and your point is?

The KKK IS a christian group. 100%, they use the Bible to justify everything they do. Just like al Qaeda uses Islam to justify what it does. I thought this was common knowledge?
Stalin was about to become a Christian Catholic prierst first, So??? but he did not murder those millions in the name of Islam, nor did Hitler.

Oniw17,

The KKK IS a christian group. 100%, they use the Bible to justify everything they do. Just like al Qaeda uses Islam to justify what it does. I thought this was common knowledge?

So that makes them Christians? the use of scriptures don't make them Christian, it how you live your life that makes you a Christian, and they don't live the life as prescribed by the New Testament, that is Christian, don't confuse the New Testament with the Old Bible, with the coming of Jesus the laws of the Old testament were full filled and the new law of salvation through grace, replaced the blood laws of sacrifice, show me in the New Testament were the practices of the KKK are condoned, I find no authorization for the practices of the KKK.

Hi buffalo,

Thank you for posts i hope all is good with you

So in this case Alqueda arent muslims!!

So why is the old testament in the bible still there if you are meant to ignore it, i assume you mean that when you say the old bible, please correct me if i am wrong.

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zak

What exact denomination of Islam does al Qaeda belong to?

They belong to the Wahabi/Salafi sect and are inclined to Qutbi teachings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qutbism

Al-Qaeda are also called Takfeeris by most Muslims (Sunni and Shia)

Takfir

The most controversial aspect of Qutbism is Qutb's idea that Islam is "extinct," and therefore those who say they are Muslims -- with the exception of Qutb's Islamic vanguard -- are not. Intended to shock Muslims into religious re-armament it also had the effect, if taken literally, of making non-Qutbists who claimed they were Muslims in serious violation of the traditional Sharia law (law that Qutb very much supported) potentially finding them guilty of Apostasy in Islam and their blood fit to be shed. Because of these serious consequences, Muslims have traditionally been reluctant to practice takfir, i.e. judge professed Muslims (even Muslims in violation of Islamic law) unbelievers.[2] This prospect of fitna, or internal strife, between Qutbists and "takfir-ed" mainstream Muslims, was put to Qutb by prosecutors in the trial that led to his execution, [3] and is still made by his Muslim detractors. [1] [2]

Stalin was about to become a Christian Catholic prierst first, So??? but he did not murder those millions in the name of Islam, nor did Hitler.

But the KKK has claimed many lives "in the name of God." That doesn't mean that most people affiliating themselves with god would approve, or should be held responsible in any way whatsoever, but THAT'S THE POINT.

But the KKK has claimed many lives "in the name of God." That doesn't mean that most people affiliating themselves with god would approve, or should be held responsible in any way whatsoever, but THAT'S THE POINT.

In the name of God ???

Whose God ???

Allah by any chance

For fucks sake grow up Oniw

They belong to the Wahabi/Salafi sect and are inclined to Qutbi teachings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qutbism

Al-Qaeda are also called Takfeeris by most Muslims (Sunni and Shia)


Also



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Qaeda


Al-Qaeda or al-Qaida (القاعدة, translit: al-Qā`ida; "the Law", "the foundation", "the base" or "the database") is an armed Sunni Islamist organization with the stated objective of eliminating foreign influence in Muslim countries, and reestablishing the califate.

The most prominent members of the group are adherents of Wahhabism or Salafism, two miltant understandings of Islam.

While Osama bin Laden is generally recognized as the group's leader, the Egyptian Ayman al-Zawahiri has also had a main influence on the groups theory and practice. The group's operations are not centralized, and many independent and collaborative cells may exist in multiple countries linked by a common cause.

In the name of God ???

Whose God ???

Allah by any chance

For fucks sake grow up Oniw

Allah is every god. I really don't see what you're trying to say. The KKK are protestants who kill in the name of God, anti-semitic, anti-Catholic, anti-black, nativist fundamentalists. The same way that al Qaeda are muslims who claim lives in the name of God. That doesn't mean that most protestants agree with what the KKK did(although I've heard rumors about Woodrow Wilson), or that most muslims agree with what al Qaeda does. So, there's no reason to apologize. Is it really that hard of a comparison to understand, that I have to explain it step by step?

Allah is every god. I really don't see what you're trying to say. The KKK are protestants who kill in the name of God, anti-semitic, anti-Catholic, anti-black, nativist fundamentalists. The same way that al Qaeda are muslims who claim lives in the name of God. That doesn't mean that most protestants agree with what the KKK did(although I've heard rumors about Woodrow Wilson), or that most muslims agree with what al Qaeda does. So, there's no reason to apologize. Is it really that hard of a comparison to understand, that I have to explain it step by step?


Muslims believe what they want to believe by playing oblivious to the fucking obvious.

Ciao

Which is?

Which is?


You still haven't answered my questions with regards to your earlier comments on the KKK which you have conveniently forgotten

Which supporters did the KKK have in the White House?

Who were the supporters from Churches all over Europe and America did the KKK have ?

How were they supported AND FUNDED by the Christian Church all over Europe and America?

These are claims YOU and your buddy ARKMAN - and TERRYHO have made so back them up.

Dont dance around like stupid fairies, back up your comments.

You still haven't answered my questions with regards to your earlier comments on the KKK which you have conveniently forgotten

Which supporters did the KKK have in the White House?
I didn't say that.But...Wilson was reported to have commented of the film that "it is like writing history with lightning. And my only regret is that it is all so terribly true."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Birth_of_a_Nation#.22Birth_of_a_Nation.22_in_p op_culture
Who were the supporters of Churches all over Europe and America did the KKK have ?
No idea, never said it.
How were they supported AND FUNDED by the Christian Church all over Europe and America?
Again, I NEVER SAID IT.
These are claims YOU and your buddy ARKMAN have made so back them up.
I didn't make any of those claims, so STFU LIAR!
Dont dance around like stupid fairies, back up your comments.
What does any of this have to do with whether all muslims should apologize for terror attacks? I haven't conviniently forgotten about your irrelevent questions, I just wasn't aware that they were addressed to me.

I didn't say that.But...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Birth_of_a_Nation#.22Birth_of_a_Nation.22_in_p op_culture

No idea, never said it.

Again, I NEVER SAID IT.

I didn't make any of those claims, so STFU LIAR!

What does any of this have to do with whether all muslims should apologize for terror attacks? I haven't conviniently forgotten about your irrelevent questions, I just wasn't aware that they were addressed to me.

Your reply is just as I thought - :rolleyes:

My questions aren't irrelevant at all - I am asking for some evidence for the claims that you and your ilk have made linking a strong connection with Christianity and the KKK. You cant answer my questions because the claims are false, so dont be too upset.

Oniw17, your the only one who didn't realize that the questions were addressed to you? or are you just plain stupid? you are the one to support Arkman's claim that the KKK was supported by the church's of Europe and America, but you give no proof, you are the one that claims that the KKK was supported by the White House, but you give no proof, you are the one to claim that the KKK is a 100% Christian Group, again no supporting evidence, You are the one to make the claim "their religious affiliations mirrored the whole of white Protestant society, including those who did not belong to any church." and again offer no supporting documentation, if you cannot even support your arguments in a rational manner how the hell are you graduating High School at 16?

Isn't that like christians apologising for the KKK?

I haven't heard an apology for the KKK either. Specifically not from EVERY christian, which is what's being asked if I'm correct.

The KKK IS a christian group. 100%, they use the Bible to justify everything they do. Just like al Qaeda uses Islam to justify what it does. I thought this was common knowledge?

“ In reality, their religious affiliations mirrored the whole of white Protestant society, including those who did not belong to any church. ”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

But the KKK has claimed many lives "in the name of God." That doesn't mean that most people affiliating themselves with god would approve, or should be held responsible in any way whatsoever, but THAT'S THE POINT.

Allah is every god. I really don't see what you're trying to say. The KKK are protestants who kill in the name of God, anti-semitic, anti-Catholic, anti-black, nativist fundamentalists. The same way that al Qaeda are muslims who claim lives in the name of God. That doesn't mean that most protestants agree with what the KKK did(although I've heard rumors about Woodrow Wilson), or that most muslims agree with what al Qaeda does. So, there's no reason to apologize. Is it really that hard of a comparison to understand, that I have to explain it step by step?

arkman

“ Originally Posted by Oniw17
Isn't that like christians apologising for the KKK? ”
Exactly.
The KKK were Christian Fundamentalists support and funded by the Christian church all over Europe and America.
Since the Christian Church does have earthly leaders they can be held accountable for its actions.
Islam doesn't however, so they cannot.

Oniw17, your the only one who didn't realize that the questions were addressed to you? or are you just plain stupid?[QUOTE] you are the one to support Arkman's claim that the KKK was supported by the church's of Europe and America,
I never supported it, the ONLY thing I've said was that the KKK was a Christian group, check the posts again.
but you give no proof,
I didn't say it. STUPID.
you are the one that claims that the KKK was supported by the White House,
Wrong again, look for a post where I say that, or even suggest it.
but you give no proof,
No reason to prove something I didn't say.
you are the one to claim that the KKK is a 100% Christian Group,
Yup. Finally. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WKKK
again no supporting evidence,
I would quote one of their books, but I can't find any online publications.
You are the one to make the claim "their religious affiliations mirrored the whole of white Protestant society, including those who did not belong to any church." and again offer no supporting documentation,
Actually that was wikipedia.
if you cannot even support your arguments in a rational manner how the hell are you graduating High School at 16?
Because I get down like that.

Isn't that like christians apologising for the KKK?

Exactly.

The KKK were Christian Fundamentalists support and funded by the Christian church all over Europe and America.

Since the Christian Church does have earthly leaders they can be held accountable for its actions.

Islam doesn't however, so they cannot.

How is that fair. The Pope is responsible for himself, muslims aren't responsible for every other muslim.

I haven't heard an apology for the KKK either. Specifically not from EVERY christian, which is what's being asked if I'm correct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

The name "Ku Klux Klan" has since been used by many different unrelated groups, including many who opposed the Civil Rights Act and desegregation in the 1950s and 1960s. Some members of these groups eventually were convicted of murder and manslaughter in the deaths of Civil Rights workers and children (such as in the bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church in Alabama). Today dozens of organizations with chapters across the United States and other countries use all or part of the name in their titles, but their total membership is estimated to be only a few thousand. These groups, with operations in separated small local units, are considered extreme hate groups. The modern KKK has been repudiated by all mainstream media and mainstream political and religious leaders.

???

So Muslims have to have one overall leader? They are organized. They have their clerics and imams.

The KKK was a dominant force in America in the late 1800s and early 1900s. They had supporters in the White House and churches all over America. It was a very sad and pathetic time in US history, something that most Americans choose to ignore and gloss over rather than confront it and admit it.

No it isn't common knowledge - Please give examples - And please tell me how the Church and the White House funded the KKK - No-one has come up with any answers yet.




Ku Klux Klan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KKK


Ku Klux Klan (KKK) is the name of a number of past and present fraternal organizations in the United States that have advocated white supremacy, anti-Semitism, racism, anti-Catholicism


Hmm - anti-Catholicism ?????

But Oniw said they were 100% Christian.... LOL :rolleyes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

Oniw17,



So that makes them Christians? the use of scriptures don't make them Christian, it how you live your life that makes you a Christian, and they don't live the life as prescribed by the New Testament, that is Christian, don't confuse the New Testament with the Old Bible, with the coming of Jesus the laws of the Old testament were full filled and the new law of salvation through grace, replaced the blood laws of sacrifice, show me in the New Testament were the practices of the KKK are condoned, I find no authorization for the practices of the KKK.

But the KKK has claimed many lives "in the name of God." That doesn't mean that most people affiliating themselves with god would approve, or should be held responsible in any way whatsoever, but THAT'S THE POINT.

Allah is every god. I really don't see what you're trying to say. The KKK are protestants who kill in the name of God, anti-semitic, anti-Catholic, anti-black, nativist fundamentalists. The same way that al Qaeda are muslims who claim lives in the name of God. That doesn't mean that most protestants agree with what the KKK did(although I've heard rumors about Woodrow Wilson), or that most muslims agree with what al Qaeda does. So, there's no reason to apologize. Is it really that hard of a comparison to understand, that I have to explain it step by step?

Which is?

I didn't say that.But...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Birth_of_a_Nation#.22Birth_of_a_Nation.22_in_p op_culture

No idea, never said it.

Again, I NEVER SAID IT.

I didn't make any of those claims, so STFU LIAR!

What does any of this have to do with whether all muslims should apologize for terror attacks? I haven't conviniently forgotten about your irrelevent questions, I just wasn't aware that they were addressed to me.

Oniw17, your the only one who didn't realize that the questions were addressed to you? or are you just plain stupid? you are the one to support Arkman's claim that the KKK was supported by the church's of Europe and America, but you give no proof, you are the one that claims that the KKK was supported by the White House, but you give no proof, you are the one to claim that the KKK is a 100% Christian Group, again no supporting evidence, You are the one to make the claim "their religious affiliations mirrored the whole of white Protestant society, including those who did not belong to any church." and again offer no supporting documentation, if you cannot even support your arguments in a rational manner how the hell are you graduating High School at 16?



arkman

I think I got everyone of my posts in there, and all those elating to the KKK. You see, I never made the claim that they were supported by the govrnment or churches in Europe/America. I did post a link to wikipedia with Pres. Wilson promoting their movie, but never said they were "funded" by anyone.

Birth of a Nation wasn't a KKK movie, it was produced by Hollywood, and as usual they used a lot of poetic license in the script, the KKK never had a thing to do with the making of the move.

But you support arkmans contentions and provide a whole lot of you own biased, that isn't supported by facts, I don't know of anyone of the people I know that support the Ideals of the KKK, or any other raciest organization, and I know of no main stream church or religion that support any of these Ideas either, this is strictly a fringe group, who are doing their own thing, no were do I see this in any mainstream of the American Psyche, if you have any proof other wise please provide it, or you owe a big apology to the people of America.

Why would I owe an apology to America? ANYWAY, read "The Ku Klux Klan in American Politics," by Dr. Rice. It specifically states that the KKK is a christian orginization, and that you would have to be sworn in before a Bible and an American flag.

Oniw17, because you are probably as big a bigot as anyone in the KKK, you accuse the main stream Americans of supporting the ideals of the KKK, and provide no proof for your accusation, you just spout you stupidity, and think because you made the pronouncement that it is revelation, you don't have any site information to back your stupid statements, you reference a book by a author that I can find very little information on, and give no context for your statements, you paint with a broad brush on the humanity of the American People and then don't even realize that you are using the exact same tactics as the Klan, they believe that all blacks are inferior, they believe that all none white's are inferior, and you believe that all Americans are raciest, and that our country supports racism, what is the difference between you and the KKK. you make assumptions on the mass, for the sins of the minority, and a very small minority at that.

NO. I never accused anyone of suppoting anything, besides the KKK being christians and what I read from a book(which still soesn't involve anyone supporting them). Don't put words in my mouth. Dr. Arnold Rice. Look up the fucking book. I NEVER said all Americans, or even any Americans in particular were racist. I think you're confusing my posting with someone else. I NEVER said anything about America supporting racism, where are you getting this from? I'm white, and I live in America, what reason would I have to insult myself? YOU'RE spouting off non-sense accussing me of things I never said, so STFU.

Is this your post?

Oniw17
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“ In reality, their religious affiliations mirrored the whole of white Protestant society, including those who did not belong to any church. ”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

and the point of your post seem to be: “ In reality, their religious affiliations mirrored the whole of white Protestant society, including those who did not belong to any church. ” that is what I take from it, and apparently I'm not the only one to get that as your opinion.

Yes, the wording is from Wikipedia. My point was that the KKK claimed to eb a religious group, I said nothimg about America being racist.
EDIT:claimed in the same way that al Qaeda claims to be a religious group.

Oniw17, then why didn't you say so? the post that you have made when read as responses to the previous post would lead to the conclusion that is what you are saying, and in the context of the discussion I would say it is a logical conclusion.

I demand an apology from all the Germans for what they did to Jews. Please all the germans in this form apologize to me.

Then all the Roman Catholics SHOULD apologize to every one, for all the children raped by their catholic priests.

Then all the christians should apologize for all the jews they have killed during crusades.

Then all the Republicans should apologize for what FOLEY did to pages.

Riiiiggghhhhttt!!

It all make perfect sense now, doesn't it?:D

I demand an apology






I'm really sorry old boy

Do you feel better now, lolol. :D

Oniw7, the KKK is as "Christian" as Hitler was.