I am watching Faux News (Why oh why?)and they are reporting that Wisconsin might require child molesters to have a green numberplate to easier identification for the public.

I was wondering, why not have a let's say black numberplate for murderers?

Also, whom would you rather have as a next door neighbour, a murderer (killed for money) or a child molester?

I am watching Faux News (Why oh why?)and they are reporting that Wisconsin might require child molesters to have a green numberplate to easier identification for the public.

Why not have "Child Molester" tatooed on their forehead? Wouldn't that be better than a plate on their car? I mean, they could walk somewhere, couldn't they ....and no one would see their car or the plate.

I was wondering, why not have a let's say black numberplate for murderers?

Ditto on my above comment.

Baron Max

Is it for just while they're on parole or probation or for the rest of their lives?

Is it for just while they're on parole or probation or for the rest of their lives?

Convicted child molesters are labeled, watched and listed in police files forever, and maybe longer!

And it seems that, as a society, we're permitted to hound them, drive them out of communities, drive the out of towns, ...and apparently it's all legal to do so.

Violent murderers can walk around free as a bird after they've served their sentences.

Baron Max

That's insane. If they've served their time and the system is willing to let them out of jail, they should leave them alone. If they don't trust them to live as normal members of society, they shouldn't let them out in the first place.

What's even more disgusting is that it's sex offenders in general who get hounded for the rest of their lives. If a guy urinates in public, he can be hauled in as a sex offender (in Califonia, at least). So he's going to get tagged, followed, has to register himself on a publicly available database and inform his neighbors for the rest of his life just because he had to take a whiz? It's also my understanding that a woman who urinates in public gets a warning or a citation. ("In public" means anywhere not designated a restroom. Even if you go behind a thick clump of bushes miles away from anyone and hold a towel up as a curtain, it's still considered "in public". All that has to happen is for someone to have seen you enough to know what you're doing, even if they don't actually see your anatomy.)

That's insane. If they've served their time and the system is willing to let them out of jail, they should leave them alone.

But that's a big part of the court sentence for child molesting ...that they must register themselves as child molesters in the community that they live. See? It's PART of the sentence.

If they don't trust them to live as normal members of society, they shouldn't let them out in the first place.

Exhaustive studies have shown that they'll continue to be sexually attracted to little kids, so...... What do you do with them?

If you say imprison them for life-without-parole, then I'd agree ....except why should we keep paying for their food and housing? Why not just execute them? Why does any society need people like that?

I didn't get your spiel on pissing in public? What did it mean?

Baron Max

I could see the good intention behind such an idea. But with it carries the inherent dangers. Our paranoia could end up having innocent people killed or harrassed, as you just know some idiot is going to see that number plate on a car and start harrassing, abusing or possibly killing the individual in it because of what the plates paints them as being, even if it is a case of mistaken identity.

What if the individual were married and their spouse also drove the car?

What if someone else were driving their car and they drove past a school accidentally, not knowing or realising that the true registered owner of said car was not allowed to be anywhere near a school?

And that's just for starters.

What if they have children or they lend their car to someone who has children and someone sees the car with the green number plates with kids in it and calls the police?

And why have relocation services for sex offenders, where they are to report to the police as a sex offender, but their identity is meant to be kept private so as not to face harrassment upon release from prison, only to be forced to drive around in a car with a number plate that is designed to identify you as a sex offender?

Well, if a child molesteror wanted to solve this dilemma, he'd take the school bus instead of driving the car. ;)

First let me say that I'm a sex offender everytime I step out the door, lmao I mean so many hot young females all walking around yapping and shaking their high school butts in our faces, who wouldn't be?

Now in regards to the topic I see no reason sex offenders must be harassed and attacked by coloring their license plates, infact I don't believe anyone can be a sex offender, it's complete nonsense. You can violate someones rights or cause them harm, but there is no such thing as a sex offense, it's BS. Look at other countries, they have no sex crimes because they know men get horney.

First let me say that I'm a sex offender everytime I step out the door, lmao I mean so many hot young females all walking around yapping and shaking their high school butts in our faces, who wouldn't be?

Now in regards to the topic I see no reason sex offenders must be harassed and attacked by coloring their license plates, infact I don't believe anyone can be a sex offender, it's complete nonsense. You can violate someones rights or cause them harm, but there is no such thing as a sex offense, it's BS. Look at other countries, they have no sex crimes because they know men get horney.

i see you post when you're drunk, we'll let this embarassment pass this once.

I could see the good intention behind such an idea. But with it carries the inherent dangers. Our paranoia could end up having innocent people killed or harrassed, as you just know some idiot is going to see that number plate on a car and start harrassing, abusing or possibly killing the individual in it because of what the plates paints them as being, even if it is a case of mistaken identity.

What if the individual were married and their spouse also drove the car?

What if someone else were driving their car and they drove past a school accidentally, not knowing or realising that the true registered owner of said car was not allowed to be anywhere near a school?

And that's just for starters.

What if they have children or they lend their car to someone who has children and someone sees the car with the green number plates with kids in it and calls the police?

And why have relocation services for sex offenders, where they are to report to the police as a sex offender, but their identity is meant to be kept private so as not to face harrassment upon release from prison, only to be forced to drive around in a car with a number plate that is designed to identify you as a sex offender?

Interesting, Bells. Now you're standing up for the rights of child molesters?

Baron Max

There is a slight logic behind the idea:

Except serial killers, a murderer usually doesn't kill for statisfying an URGE. But child molesters have a very strong sexual urge that can not be cured just by telling them: Be nice in the future. Unless we castrate them or put them on medication, that very hard to surpress sexual urge will exist and they still be dangerous.

Now one could argue, that unless they are willing to be on medication (decreasing sexual drive) or be castrated, the society should be warned about their closeness...

Max In California, at least, a man, AND ONLY A MAN, urinating in public, even if he tries to conceal himself, is committing a sexual offense according to state law. Does this merit lifelong tagging, lifelong prison, or execution?

I desire to have these drugs you speak of that will remove my need for female companions :( I asked my therapist and psychiatrist about them but they said I cannot be given these... I desperately hate myself that I cannot find a female, it would be far better to be placed on a thing that controls my desire than to have it at all.

Interesting, Bells. Now you're standing up for the rights of child molesters?

Baron Max

More for the rights of the poor soul who might be associated with them (eg their spouse or family member) who might have to use the offender's car. And I am not one to ever support anything that would encourage and make vigilante actions easier.

I can see the reason behind wanting such plates, but the dangers involved with having them in place could result in many innocent people being abused, assaulted or even killed.

Now in regards to the topic I see no reason sex offenders must be harassed and attacked by coloring their license plates, infact I don't believe anyone can be a sex offender, it's complete nonsense. You can violate someones rights or cause them harm, but there is no such thing as a sex offense, it's BS. Look at other countries, they have no sex crimes because they know men get horney.
My!

Don't you just improve with time!

So you don't think a person who rapes a 6 month old baby is a sex offender? You think they should just be let off because they were just "horney"?

So do you think that because you can't get a date or a woman to show interest in you (reading your above statement, I really can't see why women run from you...:rolleyes: ), if you ever raped a woman or child, you would not be made to suffer the consequences of your actions and face the law because you were "horny"?

Use Pavlovian conditioning to cure child molestors. It's rather easy to make them even feel -terror- at the sight of a child.

What's even more disgusting is that it's sex offenders in general who get hounded for the rest of their lives.Yes, the system requires a good deal more adjusting before it's ready to be used so harshly. I know a guy who was convicted of statutory rape in a Red State: He was 18 and she was 17 but her daddy didn't like him so he had him busted. The guy will be a registered sex offender in that state forever. Since he couldn't get work he moved back to California to live with his mother. When he dutifully went to register, the lady behind the counter looked at his records, burst out laughing and said, "Son, you're just a normal guy here. Welcome to the Golden State."Exhaustive studies have shown that they'll continue to be sexually attracted to little kids, so...... What do you do with them?And that is the difference between pedophiles and murderers. The vast majority of murders are crimes of passion: finding your spouse in bed with somebody, for example. I am convinced that most people who have been convicted of murder are less likely to do it a second time than the rest of us are to do it the first time. They've been through the experience and know what it's like when the passion wears off and they're staring at the results of their horrible deed. There's no way any of us can know what that is going to feel like.If you say imprison them for life-without-parole, then I'd agree ....except why should we keep paying for their food and housing? Why not just execute them? Why does any society need people like that?You can say that about any "capital" crime. You and I respectfully disagree on this, but I say that capital "punishment" is not punishment at all because once a person is dead the impact is pretty well lost on him. It's just institutionalized revenge, and revenge is arguably the worst of all human emotions. It's certainly the one that's responsible for a lot of wars. The last thing the government should be doing is setting an example for the common folk that revenge is ever acceptable.But child molesters have a very strong sexual urge that can not be cured just by telling them: Be nice in the future. Unless we castrate them or put them on medication, that very hard to surpress sexual urge will exist and they still be dangerous.There is some disagreement on this but many authorities insist that rape of any type is not about sex at all, but about control, or simply about violence. To support that thesis, some reports I've seen cited in the popular press indicate that castration does not stop the attacks but merely channels them into a different choice of weapon: violation with something too icky to think about. Not only do they not need a penis but they don't even need a libido. Rape is just a convenient way to commit a violent crime with a weapon that doesn't have a concealment problem.

I suspect the truth is somewhere in between. For some guys it's a sexual thing and for others it's not. If we could tell them apart we could castrate the former and lock up the latter (or in Max's case have a public stoning and sell popcorn) and feel fairly secure.

Isnt Prison designed to make murderers better? like, isnt the purpose to make people change their ways
?


Hence the name correctional facility.

So again the scenario: There is a new neighbour moving in next to you.You can choose:

1. A bankrobber who killed 2 while robbing a bank.
2. A child molester who molested a few kids.

Which is your choice?

I think I would choose the child molester, because I could make a better excuse for that...Also a murder is still a bigger offence than a molestation...

P.S.: We are talking about real molestation and not underage sex...

Do I have children?

If not, I'd prefer the molestor.

If so, I'd prefer the murderer.

If he is a Catholic priest and you have daughters, you are OK....

Why not have "Child Molester" tatooed on their forehead? Wouldn't that be better than a plate on their car? I mean, they could walk somewhere, couldn't they ....and no one would see their car or the plate.


Thats an interesting idea.

So again the scenario: There is a new neighbour moving in next to you.You can choose:

1. A bankrobber who killed 2 while robbing a bank.
2. A child molester who molested a few kids.

Which is your choice?
I'd probably choose the bank robber, because he wasn't a serial killer(he didn't kill for no reason at all), he was obviously more concerned with the money than killing the 2 people. In other words, I could actually hang out with my neighbor if that was the situation; I don't associate with child molesters.

Personalized question for Oniw:

Let's say you have a child. Would you rather have him killed or molested?

Personalized question for Oniw:
Let's say you have a child. Would you rather have him killed or molested?Neither, but if I had to choose, molested.

Ok, so by the same logic, you should have chosen the molester as a neighbour...

Ok, so by the same logic, you should have chosen the molester as a neighbour...

You'd first have to show an equal rate of recidivism between murderers and child molesters.

Not necessery. It depends on our sense of moral and whom we accept as a neighbour,not out of fear but preference...

Not necessery. It depends on our sense of moral and whom we accept as a neighbour,not out of fear but preference...

The preference would be based on the fear. Considering the high rate of recidivism of child molesters, a killer would make a better neighbour.

How do you know what individuals base their preferences? If I don't have children and I am not particulary affraid of being killed, I might as well make up my mind based on their look...

How do you know what individuals base their preferences? If I don't have children and I am not particulary affraid of being killed, I might as well make up my mind based on their look...

If you did not know their background, you'd probably get very little idea of it from their looks. However, in your place, I'd be curious about the killer but feel aversion for the molester.

I am watching Faux News (Why oh why?)and they are reporting that Wisconsin might require child molesters to have a green numberplate to easier identification for the public.

I was wondering, why not have a let's say black numberplate for murderers?

Also, whom would you rather have as a next door neighbour, a murderer (killed for money) or a child molester?

Violent peope ike that should be put in a registry and chipped to protect the non-violent population and children. People should KNOW they are dealing with a murderer or child molestor.

The preference would be based on the fear. Considering the high rate of recidivism of child molesters, a killer would make a better neighbour.

Hell no, it depends on the type of killer. A first degree murderer a better neighbor than a molestor? If you don't have kids you don't have to fear the molestor, but who wants to live next to someone who not only killed, but planned it all out and murdered in the first degree?

You assume that any of us should live around violent criminals, what if we decide we don't want to live around either?

People should KNOW they are dealing with a murderer or child molestor.

Well, that's what my post about. If we single out childmolesters but leave all other type of criminals alone, where is the equality?

On the other hand, if the criminal paid his debt to society, shouldn't we allow him a fresh start??

I am watching Faux News (Why oh why?)and they are reporting that Wisconsin might require child molesters to have a green numberplate to easier identification for the public.

I was wondering, why not have a let's say black numberplate for murderers?

Also, whom would you rather have as a next door neighbour, a murderer (killed for money) or a child molester?

It will attract vandalism and rammings.

That's insane. If they've served their time and the system is willing to let them out of jail, they should leave them alone. If they don't trust them to live as normal members of society, they shouldn't let them out in the first place.

What's even more disgusting is that it's sex offenders in general who get hounded for the rest of their lives. If a guy urinates in public, he can be hauled in as a sex offender (in Califonia, at least). So he's going to get tagged, followed, has to register himself on a publicly available database and inform his neighbors for the rest of his life just because he had to take a whiz? It's also my understanding that a woman who urinates in public gets a warning or a citation. ("In public" means anywhere not designated a restroom. Even if you go behind a thick clump of bushes miles away from anyone and hold a towel up as a curtain, it's still considered "in public". All that has to happen is for someone to have seen you enough to know what you're doing, even if they don't actually see your anatomy.)

Cops in some cities, for example Omaha, like to pretend that the arrestee was masturbating. You know what a guy has to do to finish peeing if he has prostate problems? I don't want to talk about it.

Well, that's what my post about. If we single out childmolesters but leave all other type of criminals alone, where is the equality?

On the other hand, if the criminal paid his debt to society, shouldn't we allow him a fresh start??

Sure we should allow them a fresh start, without the trust and privacy of course. We should track them forever.

Ok, so by the same logic, you should have chosen the molester as a neighbour...
Except I don't have kids, and you said the killer was a bank robber.

Yeah. Although this choice is rather subjective, you might change your mind if you read about the mori bankrablas, where 8 innocents were MASSACRED with 47 bullets, just for money...

http://index.hu/politika/bulvar/moriper1206/

But of course you would take the childmolester over the bankrobbers...Again, subjective....They didn't kill for no reason, they killed for money... Understandable...

P.S.: I can actually understand/forgive a serial killer easier than a killer for money, because a serial killer just like a child molester is a mentally ill person with an urge to kill...

Actually I would wonder what type of sex offender. Was it Flashing, Attempted Rape, Date Rape, Sexual Harassment, Child Molestation, Urinating in public, public nudity, selling Play Boy to a 15 years old, Prostitution, Statuatory Rape.....?

Some of these are relatively harmless or easily reformed from. Some might have even been as simple as "He said/She said" or mooning. The person in questio coulf have had a psychotic break and is recovered now.

Not all Sex offenders are Pedophiles and not all Pedophiles are sex offenders. If being a Pedophile automatically made yopu a sex offender of one out of five people would be a sex offender, most of them never guilty of harm. I knew a Pedophile once who never ever touched a child. He never molested a single person, of course he was smart, soon as he found he had those urges he got treatment and found a true soulmate, a lovely woman with a rare genetic disorder that left her with the body of an eleven year old.

Actually I would wonder what type of sex offender.

All. By the Wisconsin law everyone with a history would get a green numberplate, no matter what the offense was....

P.S.: I can actually understand/forgive a serial killer easier than a killer for money, because a serial killer just like a child molester is a mentally ill person with an urge to kill...
That's exactly the reason I would choose the bankrobber; he/she doesn't have a pathological need to cause harm.

Child molesters should be tatooed on the forhead

I am watching Faux News (Why oh why?)and they are reporting that Wisconsin might require child molesters to have a green numberplate to easier identification for the public.

I was wondering, why not have a let's say black numberplate for murderers?

Also, whom would you rather have as a next door neighbour, a murderer (killed for money) or a child molester?


What a nice fruitless chin stroking topic. Well, why not slap a big yellow David's star on the cars of Jewish people?

And with this post my friend, Spurious you entered my Ignore list. I forgive you 2 threads of not getting it, but 3 is just too much. Arrivederci!!

P.S.: You are with baron and Mr. G, nice company...

I don't think you should blame me for your limitations.

One problem with all this is that many studies have shown that how likely a sex offender is to commit another sex crime after being released from prison is directly related to how much trouble they have fitting into society after their release. Apparently people who are unable to integrate back into society are substantially more likely to “snap” under the pressure and re-offend. Paradoxically, it seems that if you want to prevent sex offenders from re-offending, the best thing to do is make sure they find a decent job and reintegrate smoothly into society. Giving them special license plates, tattoos, etc. appeals to people’s desire for revenge, but it is not a statistically effective way to protect children.