This guy loves children. He fantasizes about sex with them all the time. But he never does anything about it. He never looks at child porn. He never touches a child, etc.
He is a good man and does good things.
He dies and goes to heaven. His idea of paradise is sexually assaulting children.

Does he get to? Can you get kicked out of heaven? Or do you not get to have the paradise you want?

There will be no sex in eternity, the desire for sex will no longer exist. We will return to a child like state of being.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

There will be no sex in eternity, the desire for sex will no longer exist. We will return to a child like state of be.*************
M*W: Even children are sexual beings. (Don't misinterpret this to be that I'm saying it's okay to assault children).

People talk about children a lot and though its wrong to assault children, it's wrong to assault anybody and it's still damaging. Actually a study showed that the ones most disturbed by it were teenagers to early twenties because not only are you sexually developed or developing but you're much more idealistic, looking for your own mate or first love, you are trying to define yourself and you are more aware . This assault is extremely humiliating, making them feel dirty and worthless and damaging to one's sense of core identity and self-respect.

There will be no sex in eternity, the desire for sex will no longer exist. We will return to a child like state of being.

The christian heaven perhaps, although the gospels are short on details.

Unlike the Islamic heaven, which is a erotic fantasyland...provided you happen to be male.

The christian heaven perhaps, although the gospels are short on details.

Unlike the Islamic heaven, which is a erotic fantasyland...provided you happen to be male.

Bullshit.

"Thus shall it be. And We shall pair them with companions pure, most beautiful of eye."

This verse from the Qur'an says that men and women will be paired amongst each other. They will be pure and beautiful. Your unattractiveness on Earth doesn't carry on into the afterlife. The 72 wives is nowhere in the Quran.

The christian heaven perhaps, although the gospels are short on details.

Unlike the Islamic heaven, which is a erotic fantasyland...provided you happen to be male.

I've always thought it funny that Christianity is rather silent with the details concerning heaven, but is so acute of every minor detail of hell and proud of it. :shrug:

This verse from the Qur'an says that men and women will be paired amongst each other. They will be pure and beautiful. Your unattractiveness on Earth doesn't carry on into the afterlife. The 72 wives is nowhere in the Quran.
"When Muslim men die and pass to Islamic Paradise (Heaven), they expect to enter a utopian dimension where wine, milk and honey flows, fruit-trees flourish and rivers gush forth with the purist water.

Here, they plan to be greeted by 72 young virgins of "perpetual freshness" (houris) who will lead them into palaces loaded with luxurious thrones surrounded by gold, silver and jewel plated furnishings.- a holy place where believers reclined on jeweled couches surrounded by the finest silks can experience unlimited erotic sexual pleasures.

Islamic scholar Yusuf Ali described the virgins as "the companionship of Beauty and Grace - one of the highest pleasures of life. In the higher life it takes a higher form...The pronoun in Arabic is in the feminine gender. It is made clear that these maidens for heavenly society will be of special creation,-of virginal purity, grace, and beauty, inspiring and inspired by love, with the question of time and age eliminated."

The virgins, according to another Islamic commentator are "creations of God, intelligent yet soulless and created to serve the believer who goes to Paradise. They are created for the purpose of serving the believer, and as such, they don't exactly have free will. They are described as pure, beautiful, dark eyed, lustrous, virgin, and more perfect than any human on earth. Imagine the woman of your dreams."

Quranic commentator Al-Suyuti (died 1505 ) explained more graphically that Muslim men in Paradise experience non-ending arousals and that ever time they have sex with one of the angelic maidens, they find her body reconstituted as "virgin."

"The sensation that you feel each time you make love is utterly delicious and out of this world and were you to experience it in this world you would faint," Al-Suyuti explained. " Each chosen one [Muslim] will marry seventy houris, besides the women he married on earth, and all (will be appetizing)."

Islam's Prophet Muhammad was heard saying about Islamic Heaven: 'The smallest reward for the people of paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah to Sana'a"

To assure Muslim men that they will be able to fully enjoy their heavenly rewards, Muhammad said, "A man in paradise shall be given virility equal to that of one hundred men."

"When Muslim men die and pass to Islamic Paradise (Heaven), they expect to enter a utopian dimension where wine, milk and honey flows, fruit-trees flourish and rivers gush forth with the purist water.

Here, they plan to be greeted by 72 young virgins of "perpetual freshness" (houris) who will lead them into palaces loaded with luxurious thrones surrounded by gold, silver and jewel plated furnishings.- a holy place where believers reclined on jeweled couches surrounded by the finest silks can experience unlimited erotic sexual pleasures.

Islamic scholar Yusuf Ali described the virgins as "the companionship of Beauty and Grace - one of the highest pleasures of life. In the higher life it takes a higher form...The pronoun in Arabic is in the feminine gender. It is made clear that these maidens for heavenly society will be of special creation,-of virginal purity, grace, and beauty, inspiring and inspired by love, with the question of time and age eliminated."

The virgins, according to another Islamic commentator are "creations of God, intelligent yet soulless and created to serve the believer who goes to Paradise. They are created for the purpose of serving the believer, and as such, they don't exactly have free will. They are described as pure, beautiful, dark eyed, lustrous, virgin, and more perfect than any human on earth. Imagine the woman of your dreams."

Quranic commentator Al-Suyuti (died 1505 ) explained more graphically that Muslim men in Paradise experience non-ending arousals and that ever time they have sex with one of the angelic maidens, they find her body reconstituted as "virgin."

"The sensation that you feel each time you make love is utterly delicious and out of this world and were you to experience it in this world you would faint," Al-Suyuti explained. " Each chosen one [Muslim] will marry seventy houris, besides the women he married on earth, and all (will be appetizing)."

Islam's Prophet Muhammad was heard saying about Islamic Heaven: 'The smallest reward for the people of paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah to Sana'a"

To assure Muslim men that they will be able to fully enjoy their heavenly rewards, Muhammad said, "A man in paradise shall be given virility equal to that of one hundred men."

Actual hadith:

Sunan al-Tirmidhi Hadith 2562 says:

The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying: “The smallest reward for the people of Paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana’a [Yemen]”

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This is as a weak Hadith that has no Sanad — line or sequence of narration. Although listed in an authoritative collection, this particular Hadith has technical weaknesses in its chain of transmitters and is therefore not considered impeccable. As a result, Muslims are not required to believe in it. Even if the Hadith was true, there is nothing about it that says that if someone commits suicide they would get 72 virgins in paradise.

Muslims know that the description of paradise or heaven in Hadiths and Quran is allegorical. If not, then Allah would have allowed us to take our bodies with us when we die. But the vehicle by which we could enjoy the physical things (especially 72 virgins ) mentioned as being in heaven, is left behind here in this world to rot and decay away. So we know for a fact that for heavenly rewards, physical things of this world are used to describe things totally non-physical.

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If you're wondering whether men and women have "relationships", for lack of a better word, then you're correct. However, the 72 virgin myth for being a martry, the exclusion of women, etc, are all lies.

http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/heaven.html

"In this article I shall describe the Islamic Paradise or Jannat which was invented by Prophet Mohammed to bribe the Arabs into committing hedious crimes by promising them materialistic things which they couldn't obtain in the harsh desert. The paradise contains six important items: beautiful virgins, young boys, water, wine, fruits and wealth.

To prove my point I have taken verses from the Koran and quotes from the Hadiths.

VIRGINS (HOURIS)

Mohammed knew that sex would sell very well among the group of his lecherous followers who were motivated to fight battles by the promise of sex slaves and booty. By constantly emphasizing to his followers that they would get untouched virgins in Paradise, Mohammed is clearly expressing his "high" opinion of the institution of marriage and his fairness to women. Once the followers go to heaven, they can conveniently ditch their wives for the fresher and more pleasurable sexual encounters with 'Houris' (beautiful virgins). Not only that, the poor wives who gave up their virginity for the pleasure of their husbands do not get even one Male Sex Bomb. But wait, Allah is all merciful! He gives the wives the rare honour of watching their husbands deflower those 72 Houris (virgins) and 28 young pre-pubescent boys.

The relevant verses from the Koran are:

Koran 78:31
As for the righteous, they shall surely triumph. Theirs shall be gardens and vineyards, and high- bosomed virgins for companions: a truly overflowing cup.

Koran 37:40-48
...They will sit with bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches.

Koran 44:51-55
...Yes and We shall wed them to dark-eyed houris. (beautiful virgins)

Koran 52:17-20
...They shall recline on couches ranged in rows. To dark-eyed houris (virgins) we shall wed them...

Koran 55:56-57
In them will be bashful virgins neither man nor Jinn will have touched before.Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?"

Koran 55:57-58
Virgins as fair as corals and rubies. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?"

Koran 56:7-40
...We created the houris (the beautiful women) and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand.. "

Koran 55:70-77
"In each there shall be virgins chaste and fair... Dark eyed virgins sheltered in their tents whom neither man nor Jin will have touched before..

In the Hadiths, Mohammed goes one step further and expands the promise of virgins to include a free sex market where there is no limit of the number of sexual partners. Women and young boys are on display as if in a fruit market where you can choose the desired ripeness.

Quote from Hadiths

Al Hadis, Vol. 4, p. 172, No. 34
Ali reported that the Apostle of Allah said, "There is in Paradise a market wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist of men and women. When a man desires a beauty, he will have intercourse with them."

YOUNG BOYS

Homosexuality was and is widely practised in Islamic conutries. To please the homosexuals among his followers he promised them pre-pubescent boys in Paradise. So after committing plunder, loot, rape and murder in this life, the followers of Islam get "rewarded" by untouched virginal youths who are fresh like pearls.

The relevant verses from the Koran are:

Koran 52:24
Round about them will serve, to them, boys (handsome) as pearls well-guarded.

Koran 56:17
Round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness.

Koran 76:19
And round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness: if thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered pearls."

http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/heaven.html

"In this article I shall describe the Islamic Paradise or Jannat which was invented by Prophet Mohammed to bribe the Arabs into committing hedious crimes by promising them materialistic things which they couldn't obtain in the harsh desert. The paradise contains six important items: beautiful virgins, young boys, water, wine, fruits and wealth.

To prove my point I have taken verses from the Koran and quotes from the Hadiths.

VIRGINS (HOURIS)

Mohammed knew that sex would sell very well among the group of his lecherous followers who were motivated to fight battles by the promise of sex slaves and booty. By constantly emphasizing to his followers that they would get untouched virgins in Paradise, Mohammed is clearly expressing his "high" opinion of the institution of marriage and his fairness to women. Once the followers go to heaven, they can conveniently ditch their wives for the fresher and more pleasurable sexual encounters with 'Houris' (beautiful virgins). Not only that, the poor wives who gave up their virginity for the pleasure of their husbands do not get even one Male Sex Bomb. But wait, Allah is all merciful! He gives the wives the rare honour of watching their husbands deflower those 72 Houris (virgins) and 28 young pre-pubescent boys.

The relevant verses from the Koran are:

Koran 78:31
As for the righteous, they shall surely triumph. Theirs shall be gardens and vineyards, and high- bosomed virgins for companions: a truly overflowing cup.

Koran 37:40-48
...They will sit with bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches.

Koran 44:51-55
...Yes and We shall wed them to dark-eyed houris. (beautiful virgins)

Koran 52:17-20
...They shall recline on couches ranged in rows. To dark-eyed houris (virgins) we shall wed them...

Koran 55:56-57
In them will be bashful virgins neither man nor Jinn will have touched before.Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?"

Koran 55:57-58
Virgins as fair as corals and rubies. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?"

Koran 56:7-40
...We created the houris (the beautiful women) and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand.. "

Koran 55:70-77
"In each there shall be virgins chaste and fair... Dark eyed virgins sheltered in their tents whom neither man nor Jin will have touched before..

In the Hadiths, Mohammed goes one step further and expands the promise of virgins to include a free sex market where there is no limit of the number of sexual partners. Women and young boys are on display as if in a fruit market where you can choose the desired ripeness.

Quote from Hadiths

Al Hadis, Vol. 4, p. 172, No. 34
Ali reported that the Apostle of Allah said, "There is in Paradise a market wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist of men and women. When a man desires a beauty, he will have intercourse with them."

YOUNG BOYS

Homosexuality was and is widely practised in Islamic conutries. To please the homosexuals among his followers he promised them pre-pubescent boys in Paradise. So after committing plunder, loot, rape and murder in this life, the followers of Islam get "rewarded" by untouched virginal youths who are fresh like pearls.

The relevant verses from the Koran are:

Koran 52:24
Round about them will serve, to them, boys (handsome) as pearls well-guarded.

Koran 56:17
Round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness.

Koran 76:19
And round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness: if thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered pearls."

Yes, of course the Qur'an offers companions (virgins) and servents for the righteous who achieve the privilege to enter heaven. This is undisputed, and there is nothing wrong with this. After all, it's called heaven for a reason. The point I'm debating (if you're supporting) is the myth of 72 virgins for being a martyr. If you'd like to continue to discuss this, feel free to type something from your own thoughts rather than copying and pasting.

The point I'm debating (if you're supporting) is the myth of 72 virgins for being a martyr. Why would you bring up martyrdom...no one else has?

Why would you bring up martydom...no one else has?

You're right, nobody has, but I was assuming that you were referring to 72 virgins for being a martyr since so many misinformed people have been lately. Regarding the overall concept of virgins or companions/servants in heaven within the Qur'an, yes, it exists. Is sex completely okay and natural here on Earth? If so, why not heaven? It's the least a person who shows self-restrain and self-control in this life deserves. The pleasures we avoid in this life, says the Qur'an, is our reward for being righteous.

This guy loves children. He fantasizes about sex with them all the time. But he never does anything about it. He never looks at child porn. He never touches a child, etc.
He is a good man and does good things.
He dies and goes to heaven. His idea of paradise is sexually assaulting children.

Does he get to? Can you get kicked out of heaven? Or do you not get to have the paradise you want?

When you get to heaven, God first of all brainwashes you to forget all those loved ones who are not kneeling by your side but are instead ever melting in their deserved lake of fire, then he egotistically conforms all to have the utmost joy in repeating his praises in unison for all of eternity. Fun.

Regarding the overall concept of virgins or companions/servants in heaven within the Qur'an, yes, it exists. Is sex completely okay and natural here on Earth? If so, why not heaven? It's the least a person who shows self-restrain and self-control in this life deserves.
I thought you just said it was all allegory.

I thought you just said it was all allegory.

No, that was a website I quoted. I suppose that's their opinion on whether the Qur'an's verses are an allegory or literal. Guess we'll just have to find out.

You're right, nobody has, but I was assuming...
Remember, those who assume make an ass out of u and me!

Remember, those who assume make an ass out of u and me!

Timing, timing, timing...

Does he get to? Can you get kicked out of heaven? Or do you not get to have the paradise you want?

In the first place, it is my understanding that those who believe in Christ will be redeemed. This includes adulterers, so in the Christian version, yes, he goes to heaven as long as he believes that Christ will save him.

Secondly, it seems ridiculous, given the number of sexual predators who suffer some form of mental illness, for God to reject people on the basis of conditions He willed.

Of course, that last doesn't say much; the whole point of needing Christ for redemption is that, even though God blesses our conception and birth, we are delivered to the world in a state unsatisfactory for God (e.g. born into sin).

In the first place, it is my understanding that those who believe in Christ will be redeemed. This includes adulterers, so in the Christian version, yes, he goes to heaven as long as he believes that Christ will save him.

Secondly, it seems ridiculous, given the number of sexual predators who suffer some form of mental illness, for God to reject people on the basis of conditions He willed.

Of course, that last doesn't say much; the whole point of needing Christ for redemption is that, even though God blesses our conception and birth, we are delivered to the world in a state unsatisfactory for God (e.g. born into sin).

I also find this odd; we are told that we cannot inherit our parent's faith or their pass to heaven but we do inherit their sin? :shrug: I shrug once again.

I suppose I should also raise the point that heaven is a bit of a mystery, even to the faithful. At no point in the Christian theology is it asserted that one gets "the heaven they want". Hell, I wouldn't mind an eternal supply of hashish, an invitation to Hendrix's place, and a Summer of Love that lasts forever.

We could use another summer of love.
It's cloudy here,
But there's a blue sky up above.

If we could only fly away from here,
We could say good-bye to all the tears,
And maybe we could spend the rest of our years
Together, together

(Styx, "Together")

Here, they plan to be greeted by 72 young virgins of "perpetual freshness" (houris) who will lead them into palaces loaded with luxurious thrones surrounded by gold, silver and jewel plated furnishings.- a holy place where believers reclined on jeweled couches surrounded by the finest silks can experience unlimited erotic sexual pleasures.Sounds like role=play night at Heffner's place - Ha!

Seriously, I read that the 72 virgins when translated into Syriac is a direct copy from a Syrian Christians description of heaven only it's 72 white raisins.

Raisins - yum yum :)
Michael

Mor Ephrem the Syrian (http://sor.cua.edu/Personage/MEphrem/)

Mor Ephrem the Syrian, the great poet saint of the Syriac Church, was born in c. A.D. 306 in Nisibis (North-west of Mosul, Iraq). While some late sources claim that his father was a heathen priest who worshiped an idol called Abnil, his own writings affirm that he was raised in a Christian family. (Adv. Haereses, XXVI. "I was born in the way of truth: though my boyhood understood not the greatness of the benefit, I knew it when trial came." Again more explicitly, if we may trust a Confession which is extant only in Greek, "I had been early taught about Christ by my parents; they who begat me after the flesh, had trained me in the fear of the Lord... My parents were confessors before the judge: yea, I am the kindred of martyrs.")


Shahed Amanullah (http://www.altmuslim.com/perm.php?id=175_0_26_30_C30) is editor-in-chief of alt.muslim

If you don't believe in the divine origin of the Qur'an, you've got to believe it came from somewhere. This impetus is leading a few Western scholars of Islam to quietly investigate the origins of the Qur'an, offering radically new theories about the text's meaning and the rise of Islam. Were the early Muslims captivated by Jewish messianism? Was "to kill" really a mistranslation of "to fight"? Are the houris of paradise really "white raisins"? The dearth of historical references to the Qur'an within the first 100 years of Islam is helping to fuel the research, which applies techniques previously used to critique the Bible. "I think in trying to reconstruct what happened, they went off the deep end," says one professor about this revisionist scholarship, "but they were asking the right questions." However, a Muslim Islamic studies professor adds that the "implications of some of the revisionist scholarship is to say that the Qur'an is not an authentic book."

The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,2763,631357,00.html)
Luxenberg 's new analysis, leaning on the Hymns of Ephrem the Syrian, yields "white raisins" of "crystal clarity" rather than doe-eyed, and ever willing virgins - the houris. Luxenberg claims that the context makes it clear that it is food and drink that is being offerred, and not unsullied maidens or houris.

*God*

Yes, I'm talking to you - hey, yeah I know I know - you're a "martyr" ..
good good now get in the back of the line ... no... no ... you don't get cuts in front I said get to the back. Yeah, stand there with your buddies behind all of the people you just now killed and yeah guess what - for killing them you ONLY get to take 72 from the left pile, .... everyone else .. listen people.. everyone.. please just one moment... a moment people - everyone else here can take as many as you like from both piles....

http://www.21food.com/userImages/georgeliu-007/georgeliu-007$329162730.jpg

*God*

OK people it's praise me time.
Yes .. yes, yes Timmy I know .. I know, we did it yesterday and the day for that and yeah, pretty much everyday. But I like it.
Neveryoumind why - I just do now finish your raisins, I see 32 red and 40 white this time .. anyway ... people, people , ... oK ... lets start with a quick warm up:

Do-re-mi-fa-so-la-ti

Doe, a deer, a female deer
Ray, a drop of golden sun
Me, a name I call myself
Far, a long long way to run
Sew, a needle pulling thread
La, a note to follow sew
Tea, I drink with jam and bread
That will bring us back to do...oh oh oh

Doe, a deer, a female deer
Ray, a drop of golden sun
Me, a name I call myself
Far, a long long way to run
Sew, a needle pulling thread
La, a note to follow sew
Tea, I drink with jam and bread
That will bring us back to Do

Doe, a deer, a female deer
Ray, a drop of golden sun
Me, a name I call myself
Far, a long long way to run
Sew, a needle pulling thread
La, a note to follow sew
Tea, I drink with jam and bread
That will bring us back to do

Do re mi fa so la ti do, so do

The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,2763,631357,00.html)
Luxenberg 's new analysis, leaning on the Hymns of Ephrem the Syrian, yields "white raisins" of "crystal clarity" rather than doe-eyed, and ever willing virgins - the houris. Luxenberg claims that the context makes it clear that it is food and drink that is being offerred, and not unsullied maidens or houris.

When the suicide bomber gets to heaven
He is told "Yes you have done well, here is your reward"

He is given some white raisins.

Suicide Bomber: " Whaaaaat!???"

This guy loves children. He fantasizes about sex with them all the time. But he never does anything about it. He never looks at child porn. He never touches a child, etc.
He is a good man and does good things.
He dies and goes to heaven. His idea of paradise is sexually assaulting children.


if he has the idea of sexually assaulting children, it sounds like he is a few crumbs short of a bread stick of entering into heaven


BG 4.24: A person who is fully absorbed in God consciousness is sure to attain the spiritual kingdom because of his full contribution to spiritual activities, in which the consummation is absolute and that which is offered is of the same spiritual nature.

BG 18.55: One can understand Me as I am, as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, only by devotional service. And when one is in full consciousness of Me by such devotion, he can enter into the kingdom of God.

Does he get to? Can you get kicked out of heaven? Or do you not get to have the paradise you want?

attaining the paradise that is centred around god is something different ....the material world, particularly that which is offerered in the animal form of life, is more in line with attaining a paradise according to one's poor fund of knowledge

SB 5.5.1: Lord Ṛṣabhadeva told His sons: My dear boys, of all the living entities who have accepted material bodies in this world, one who has been awarded this human form should not work hard day and night simply for sense gratification, which is available even for dogs and hogs that eat stool. One should engage in penance and austerity to attain the divine position of devotional service. By such activity, one's heart is purified, and when one attains this position, he attains eternal, blissful life, which is transcendental to material happiness and which continues forever.

if one is sincerely seeking for unrestricted sex life, one's desires can happily be achieved in pig or dog society .... no need to approach god's abode

Other Possible Subjects for discussion:

Does watching excess TV make you thinner?
Are Crack addicts society's heroes?
Does not washing make you smell nicer?
Corrupt Cops. Are they cutting Crime?
Pollution. Is it actually good for nature?

Come off it Orleander.

Other Possible Subjects for discussion:

Does watching excess TV make you thinner?
Are Crack addicts society's heroes?
Does not washing make you smell nicer?
Corrupt Cops. Are they cutting Crime?
Pollution. Is it actually good for nature?

Come off it Orleander.


what???

....attaining the paradise that is centred around god is something different ....the material world, particularly that which is offerered in the animal form of life, is more in line with attaining a paradise according to one's poor fund of knowledge....

so heaven has nothing to do with material things/people. There are no streets of gold, no pearly gates, no family, no angels?

You don't get to do what you want, you do what God wants? If that were the case, I can definitely see why someone would want to be reincarnated.

why exactly 72? why not like 70? if you knew anything about numbers, symbols and zodiac, you would understand why. 12x6.

http://paganizingfaithofyeshua.netfirms.com/jesus_sent_72_truth_sun_myth.htm

Can you get kicked out of heaven?

Ever heard of Adam and Eve? We can never stay in heaven forever because there's always that damn snake which lures us to eat fruits that send us back to hell.

Or do you not get to have the paradise you want?

"Heaven" is not like earth. You don't want or need things there. In heaven you don't have to do things to feel good. Feeling good is the natural state of being. People need things because they are missing a part of themselves, they are separate from "God", but in heaven we are whole.

When we are born to earth, we are still close to God. As we grow we become more and more separate because we start to identify ourselves with our body, which is only one half.

so heaven has nothing to do with material things/people. There are no streets of gold, no pearly gates, no family, no angels?

You don't get to do what you want, you do what God wants? If that were the case, I can definitely see why someone would want to be reincarnated.

Please don't encourage him.

why exactly 72? why not like 70? if you knew anything about numbers, symbols and zodiac, you would understand why. 12x6.

http://paganizingfaithofyeshua.netfirms.com/jesus_sent_72_truth_sun_myth.htm



Ever heard of Adam and Eve? We can never stay in heaven forever because there's always that damn snake which lures us to eat fruits that send us back to hell.



"Heaven" is not like earth. You don't want or need things there. In heaven you don't have to do things to feel good. Feeling good is the natural state of being. People need things because they are missing a part of themselves, they are separate from "God", but in heaven we are whole.

When we are born to earth, we are still close to God. As we grow we become more and more separate because we start to identify ourselves with our body, which is only one half.

So then, we essentially dont exist in heaven.

"Heaven" is not like earth. You don't want or need things there. In heaven you don't have to do things to feel good. Feeling good is the natural state of being. People need things because they are missing a part of themselves, they are separate from "God", but in heaven we are whole.
No offence but that seems terrible to the point of repulsive

So then, we essentially dont exist in heaven.

the real heaven would be non-existence because there would be no problems, but it doesn't exist, so it's not real.

there is another heaven which is real because we go there when we die. but it's not a real heaven either because it doesn't last forever. that heaven is not so much different from earth, but it's much happier. there are people, streets and even furniture.

when we die in that heaven, we are born on earth (hell) again.

No offence but that seems terrible to the point of repulsive

it can't be terrible because there are no feelings (like the feeling "terrible") in heaven (non-existence, the non-existent heaven). non-existence is perfection. the paradise is a dreamless sleep, but we can never stay there forever... soon we have a dream, and then a nightmare.

you can't understand how good it feels to not feel anything, ever. only i can understand it. most people fear heaven (non-existence), and yet they believe that when they die, they will go there... i'm the opposite: my greatest wish is stop existing, but i can never cease to be.

i fear/hate life, but i am life, so i will always live.

if so then there is no heaven because everything that makes you you would be stripped off, aftherall what else is there abouth you then a bunch of atoms it would be a pittiful existance even worse then a a goldfish in a small glass of water afther having a lobotomy, hell the simple kristal clear water would even be a more accurate discription it is so far off from perfection nobody would even recognise it and would be so horrible that it would be better not to have a aftherlive all together

you can't understand how good it feels to not feel anything, ever. only i can understand it. most people fear heaven (non-existence), and yet they believe that when they die, they will go there... i'm the opposite: my greatest wish is stop existing, but i can never cease to be.

i fear/hate life, but i am life, so i will always live.

I question how much thought you've given your beliefs; apparently we've all not existed at some point, which means we would know how it "feels". Which brings to my next question, if you're non-existent, how can you feel good, much less feel at all?

aftherall what else is there abouth you then a bunch of atoms it would be a pittiful existance even worse then a a goldfish in a small glass of water afther having a lobotomy,

it can't be a pitiful "existence" because it is non-existence. goldfish are happier than humans because they are less conscious.

it and would be so horrible that it would be better not to have a aftherlive all together

to not have an afterlife would be exactly the heaven i'm talking about... the real afterlife is not non-existence, it's pretty much like the life on earth except better.

(but you don't even know what i'm talking about...)

I question how much thought you've given your beliefs;

i have given so much thought to my beliefs that they are not even beliefs anymore: they are Facts that can Never change.

The-Fact-That-Can-Never-Change is that everything Always changes. this Fact means that we are in hell even when we feel like we are in heaven, because when we are back in Eden, the snake always appears and sends us to hell (heaven changes to hell).

buddha claimed that he attained nirvana, but the snake send him to hell and now he's back on earth trying to attain nirvana (heaven) again. satan always comes back. it is eternal because it is the backside of god.

religions exist to give people hope even though there is no hope, there is only the thought of hope. without hope, people would drown in their sorrow. if everyone drowned, everyone would be in heaven, but it can't happen because there is "hope".

apparently we've all not existed at some point,

i have always existed.

if you're non-existent, how can you feel good,

bad question. if i'm non-existent, there is no need/will to feel anything.

Orleander
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Originally Posted by lightgigantic
....attaining the paradise that is centred around god is something different ....the material world, particularly that which is offerered in the animal form of life, is more in line with attaining a paradise according to one's poor fund of knowledge....
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so heaven has nothing to do with material things/people. There are no streets of gold, no pearly gates, no family, no angels?
there's all this and more - the only thing is that it all has god for the center, as opposed to the illusion of thinking that one's own self/desires are the center (which is how the material world operates, in case you haven't noticed ....)

You don't get to do what you want,
we always get to do what we want (except perhaps the want to not receive the concomitant reactions for our wanting ....)
the question is whether that wanting is going to land us in the association of god in a mood of service or as a stool eating pig with a few raunchy ideas

you do what God wants?
yes thats the sum and substance of it

If that were the case, I can definitely see why someone would want to be reincarnated.

probably because you don't know much about either god's wanting or what reincarnation involves ...

the real heaven would be non-existence because there would be no problems, but it doesn't exist, so it's not real.

there is another heaven which is real because we go there when we die. but it's not a real heaven either because it doesn't last forever. that heaven is not so much different from earth, but it's much happier. there are people, streets and even furniture.

when we die in that heaven, we are born on earth (hell) again.


And how exactly did you come across this knowledge ?

And how exactly did you come across this knowledge ?

when i was small i always thought that "everything can't just end". then one day i realized that "everything can't just end". i'm not sure how. maybe if you keep thinking about something, it turns into a belief, and when you keep thinking about the beliefs, they turn into knowledge.

i have given so much thought to my beliefs that they are not even beliefs anymore: they are Facts that can Never change.


Ah, the self-fulfilling prophecy. A powerful tool of the mind indeed.


The-Fact-That-Can-Never-Change is that everything Always changes. this

Wouldn't that mean that that fact changes too?


religions exist to give people hope even though there is no hope, there is only the thought of hope. without hope, people would drown in their sorrow. if everyone drowned, everyone would be in heaven, but it can't happen because there is "hope".


I seem to be the anomaly as I have no religion nor hope really, yet I'm not drowning in my sorrows by any means. In fact, I'm quite happy. Oh, I see, this must mean I'm in heaven!


i have always existed.


:bugeye: Oh okay Yorda which is one letter away from Yoda which is who you kinda remind me of in some impy, creepy ways...why is it I always end up talking to the weirdos on this board :crazy:


bad question. if i'm non-existent, there is no need/will to feel anything.

Bad response, I never said there wasn't.

when i was small i always thought that "everything can't just end". then one day i realized that "everything can't just end". i'm not sure how. maybe if you keep thinking about something, it turns into a belief, and when you keep thinking about the beliefs, they turn into knowledge.

Yeah, it turns into knowledge of your own beliefs.
Sounds like you brainwashed yourself. lol
Yet you still seem to know you once made it up, so please dont go around presenting them as facts. You might confuse a few people..

Sounds like you brainwashed yourself. lol

actually i didn't. you brainwashed yourself to believe that when you die, you dissapear.

i didn't brainwash myself because it's a fact that you can't die.

i don't know how i know that you can't die, but i just know it!

actually i didn't. you brainwashed yourself to believe that when you die, you dissapear.

i didn't brainwash myself because it's a fact that you can't die.

No you say that whatever you make up becomes fact after a while.
I mean.. !!

Furthermore, your theory doesnt falsify mine :p

because it's a fact that you can't die.
how's your great grandmom doing??? What abouth your greatgranddad?... Well how abouth your other side of the family... Seriosly starting to see a patern?
Even at best you won't live for a other 90 years don't delude yourself and it what a 120 years nobody in their right mind will ever remember you unless for family tree reasons

Yes, of course the Qur'an offers companions (virgins) and servents for the righteous who achieve the privilege to enter heaven. This is undisputed, and there is nothing wrong with this. After all, it's called heaven for a reason.

So, were these virgins and servants not able to get into Muslim heaven? Is that how they serve their time in Muslim hell?

how's your great grandmom doing??? What abouth your greatgranddad?...

their bodies died long ago, but their souls live on forever.

Even at best you won't live for a other 90 years don't delude yourself and it what a 120 years nobody in their right mind will ever remember you unless for family tree reasons

lol, like i care if nobody remembers "me".

here's the proof that i can't die: what we call "i" exists in every human, therefore "i" live forever.

their bodies died long ago, but their souls live on forever.



lol, like i care if nobody remembers "me".

here's the proof that i can't die: what we call "i" exists in every human, therefore "i" live forever.

And what if the human race becomes extinct ?

And what if the human race becomes extinct ?

no prob, there's always other humans on other planets (aliens) :P, and even if the entire universe was destroyed, life would still start over, because... otherwise it wouldn't have appeared from nothing in the first place.

i really wish i could die, it's really annoying to live forever. that's why the gods are so crazy and evil, because they're bored of their eternal lives. maybe some day i will be a god too.

by the way, there's 12 hours in a clock/day because the giants had 12 fingers. important to know. the evolution thread was closed so i couldn't write there.

no prob, there's always other humans on other planets (aliens) :P, and even if the entire universe was destroyed, life would still start over, because... otherwise it wouldn't have appeared from nothing in the first place.

i really wish i could die, it's really annoying to live forever. that's why the gods are so crazy and evil, because they're bored of their eternal lives. maybe some day i will be a god too.

by the way, there's 12 hours in a clock day because the giants had 12 fingers. important to know. the evolution thread was closed so i couldn't write there.

:crazy:

by the way, there's 12 hours in a clock day because the giants had 12 fingers. important to know. the evolution thread was closed so i couldn't write there.
Whatever look to the inside of your hand if you have a hook look at the other hand if you don't have hands or their presenly occupied with something more intiligent try to find a other hand and look at the inside, you notice 5 fingers of wich one oposable thumb (if your lucky) you can yuse that yoint to tap the other 4 fingers you you got 4 fingers that you can touch with your thumb, you will notice that each finger has 3 little grooves in them on the back, theres where the orginal 12 count comes from relevant?

:crazy:

Thank you...maybe :m: ?...:shrug:

Thank you...maybe :m: ?...:shrug:

:confused: That was directed at Yorda...

:confused: That was directed at Yorda...

...yes I know. I was agreeing and then asking if you thought he was on drugs.

The christian heaven perhaps, although the gospels are short on details.

Unlike the Islamic heaven, which is a erotic fantasyland...provided you happen to be male.

The Sadducees asked Jesus a question His answer gives us wisdom

Matthew 22
23 The same day the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to Him and asked Him, 24 saying: “Teacher, Moses said that if a man dies, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife and raise up offspring for his brother. 25 Now there were with us seven brothers. The first died after he had married, and having no offspring, left his wife to his brother. 26 Likewise the second also, and the third, even to the seventh. 27 Last of all the woman died also. 28 Therefore, in the resurrection, whose wife of the seven will she be? For they all had her.”
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven.

The bible heaven is a trip back to a garden of eden like state of innocence. The "islamic" heaven is a trip to a sex orgy with multiple sex partners for every man and when they are bored with the woman they have lots of pretty boys.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

PS: I have just read the pathetic denials from the supposed islamic apologist in here. Of cource islams promotes a carnal heaven with sex, sex sex and more sex as a reward.

PS: I have just read the pathetic denials from the supposed islamic apologist in here. Of cource islams promotes a carnal heaven with sex, sex sex and more sex as a reward.

At least the Islamic religion is honest in its baited hooks, Christianity merely uses the negative; fear of hell.

Honestly though, what's wrong with sex, sex, sex and more sex?

I don't see what the problem is.

Honestly though, what's wrong with sex, sex, sex and more sex?

I don't see what the problem is.

for a starter it makes the human form of life pale in comparison to pigeons, hogs, dogs and asses
:p

to be fair he hasent raped a child yet tho has he?

for a starter it makes the human form of life pale in comparison to pigeons, hogs, dogs and asses

How so?

How so?
they have a better quality of life
:p

So.. a pigeon has a better quality of life than a human who has sex? ROFLMFAO. How?

So.. a pigeon has a better quality of life than a human who has sex? ROFLMFAO. How?

I guess he thinks animals dont have sex.. LOL

...yes I know. I was agreeing and then asking if you thought he was on drugs.

Oh heh :)
No, i think hes is either deluding himself or purposely acting stupid.

Edit: On second thought, i guess hes just stupid.

Edit: On second thought, i guess hes just stupid.

i know, my brother is such a jerk, he always uses my computer and writes stupid things and then people think I*M stupid

lightgigantic's your brother? :D

This guy loves children. He fantasizes about sex with them all the time. But he never does anything about it. He never looks at child porn. He never touches a child, etc.
He is a good man and does good things. He dies and goes to heaven.

Christ says For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.

If such thoughts occupy his mind--even a portion of the time--he is not a good man despite the fact he does good things. If the recognition of this paradox did not bring him to seek salvation through faith in Christ, then he did not go to heaven.

His idea of paradise is sexually assaulting children. Does he get to?

It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.

Now, that said...

...there shall by no means enter anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life...

Furthermore, addressing the notion of "his idea of paradise"...

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love* Him...

Can you get kicked out of heaven?

Certain angelic beings were in fact kicked out of heaven. We (Humanity) were kicked out of Eden. There is no returning to heaven for those angels and there is no returning to Eden for Humanity. However, Humanity now has the option of choosing to gain heaven, which is something far better. If you choose heaven--and actually get there--you will never be kicked out.

Or do you not get to have the paradise you want?

the tabernacle of God is with men ("In Your presence is fullness of joy; At Your right hand are pleasures forevermore"), and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them, and be their God.

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

If you want a place characterized by the presence of God along with fringe benefits such as no death, no sorrow, no crying, and no pain... then, yes.
_________

* Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.

Love is patient and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; does not behave rudely, it does not insist on its own way, is not provoked, thinks no evil; does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

Love never fails.

Love of neighbor follows naturally from love of God. It is obvious that this individual, fantasizing as he is, is not loving children, nor their parents, nor God...Love of the kind expounded in the passage above is to 'color' or animate any other aspect of human love...obviously this cannot be done in the case of this man described by you...what is being done by him is not love...demonstrating love of the kind described above is only possible through the indwelling Holy Spirit.

In order for the Holy Spirit to indwell someone, that person must repent of their natural/'norml' ways of thinking and behaving towards neighbor and God (generally characterized by selfish orientation towards neighbor culminating in outright hatred, and disbelief or 'false images' of God leading to hatred of Him or the idea of Him etc.), be willing to set all that aside, and obey God's command to believe the Gospel which is to trust Jesus as Lord and Savior.

In other words: If anyone would come after Me, let him deny himself and take up his cross, and follow Me.

Christ says For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.

That last one isn't all that bad; a victimless crime shouldn't be bunched with those others.


Love of neighbor follows naturally from love of God. It is obvious that this individual, fantasizing as he is, is not loving children, nor their parents, nor God...Love of the kind expounded in the passage above is to 'color' or animate any other aspect of human love...obviously this cannot be done in the case of this man described by you...what is being done by him is not love...demonstrating love of the kind described above is only possible through the indwelling Holy Spirit.


That's an odd theory. I have love for my neighbor and my parents, and I don't molest children, yet I surely do not love God or have the indwelling of the holy spirit as well. Your religion doesn't have a monopoly on genuine emotions nor does it hold the rights to distribute them.


In order for the Holy Spirit to indwell someone, that person must repent of their natural/'norml' ways of thinking and behaving towards neighbor and God (generally characterized by selfish orientation towards neighbor culminating in outright hatred, and disbelief or 'false images' of God leading to hatred of Him or the idea of Him etc.), be willing to set all that aside, and obey God's command to believe the Gospel which is to trust Jesus as Lord and Savior.

Your claim may be intriguing to me had I not done this many times before to such an extent that I would have said something along these lines myself. Such a grand claim requires grand success, and seeing as how I am an anomaly, my existence alone rips the carpet out from under this.


In other words: If anyone would come after Me, let him deny himself and take up his cross, and follow Me.

I've always thought this passage should have been prefaced in the sacred texts: "To All Preachers: How To Raise Mindless Sheep"

...there shall by no means enter anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life...


So wait, those that are going to go to heaven are already written down? Whatever is the point and purpose of all this mortal existence nonsense then?

“ ...there shall by no means enter anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life... ”


So wait, those that are going to go to heaven are already written down? Whatever is the point and purpose of all this mortal existence nonsense then?


Hmm, this actually quite disturbing..

That last one isn't all that bad; a victimless crime shouldn't be bunched with those others.

Ha-Ha...Making such a claim you willfully lie to yourself...believing the lie makes you the victim of self deception.

That's an odd theory. I have love for my neighbor and my parents, and I don't molest children, yet I surely do not love God or have the indwelling of the holy spirit as well. Your religion doesn't have a monopoly on genuine emotions nor does it hold the rights to distribute them.

Not surprizingly, you seem to "love" playing the victim...having been made in God's Image you're a victim of self denial ("I surely do not love God") along with self hatred...My religion indeed has a monopoly on genuine humanity by virtue of Immanuel i.e. The Incarnation...therefore by extension, it does in fact have a monopoly on genuine emotions and does "hold the rights to distribute them."

With such a self centered "love" like yours expressed, who needs enemies?

Thankfully, He took note of your pathetic estate, showing you The WayPath of Life...an alternative to the path you are currently on, that of being (as concerns you) the ultimate victim i.e. self destruction.

Your claim may be intriguing to me had I not done this many times before to such an extent that I would have said something along these lines myself. Such a grand claim requires grand success, and seeing as how I am an anomaly, my existence alone rips the carpet out from under this.

You should have pleaded the Fifth...by this quote--and the one previous--it's patently obvious you're the victim of self indictment. Your own rash comment "rips the carpet out from under" your pretentious self assurance..how so? Christ declares many are called, few are chosen. Regardless, your existence is part and parcel of an overall plan to bring Glory to God. Whether you are a vessel unto honour or unto dishonour is your 'call' if you will.

The grand claim is all yours i.e. the 'claim' you make by suggesting God doesn't exist...if what you say is true regarding the requirements of grand claims, then I'd say the only thing grand is the extent/degree of your claims' failure.

The Word of God Written (and Incarnate) declares: God ensnares the [worldly] wise [and those wise in their own conceit] in their own craftiness.

I've always thought this passage should have been prefaced in the sacred texts: "To All Preachers: How To Raise Mindless Sheep"

"I've always thought"--"...yeah, well, there's still time to change the road you're on."

Ha-Ha...Making such a claim you willfully lie to yourself...believing the lie makes you the victim of self deception.



Not surprizingly, you seem to "love" playing the victim...having been made in God's Image you're a victim of self denial ("I surely do not love God") along with self hatred...My religion indeed has a monopoly on genuine humanity by virtue of Immanuel i.e. The Incarnation...therefore by extension, it does in fact have a monopoly on genuine emotions and does "hold the rights to distribute them."

With such a self centered "love" like yours expressed, who needs enemies?

Thankfully, He took note of your pathetic estate, showing you The WayPath of Life...an alternative to the path you are currently on, that of being (as concerns you) the ultimate victim i.e. self destruction.



You should have pleaded the Fifth...by this quote--and the one previous--it's patently obvious you're the victim of self indictment. Your own rash comment "rips the carpet out from under" your pretentious self assurance..how so? Christ declares many are called, few are chosen. Regardless, your existence is part and parcel of an overall plan to bring Glory to God. Whether you are a vessel unto honour or unto dishonour is your 'call' if you will.

The grand claim is all yours i.e. the 'claim' you make by suggesting God doesn't exist...if what you say is true regarding the requirements of grand claims, then I'd say the only thing grand is the extent/degree of your claims' failure.

The Word of God Written (and Incarnate) declares: God ensnares the [worldly] wise [and those wise in their own conceit] in their own craftiness.



"I've always thought"--"...yeah, well, there's still time to change the road you're on."

I've heard all this before from several shouting mouths, spittle gathering at the corners, trying desperately to outshout the terrible emptiness in the vacuous silence of their beliefs. The fact that I openly laugh at all this should indicate to you how inadequate I think your reasoning for believing these things are. I know them perhaps better than you do. You bring the incipient, elitist, ignorant, fatuous, self-indulged, and deluded tone that so many of your "privileged" kind brings, except yours is slightly different in that you are especially intolerant and oblivious to your own hypocrisy. I hope for your sake you're right about there being time to change the road you are on. Come back to me when you get your own thoughts for a change, either that or when you are able to add something of value in a discussion, not just ad hominems.

(A little advice: cutting and pasting my phrases and then injecting them into your rants isn't really effective. All they tell me is that you don't have a good enough response so you just attempt to throw the grenade back. And bolding "I"s is a not very successfully disguised attempt at trying to say "Look how many times he said "I" or "me" or "my"! How arrogant, all he thinks of is himself!" because what little arrogance of mine that could be gathered from such insidious propaganda is at once thwarted in size by the amount you've made evident in your response.)

What I find most humorous is you say all this like you think it is something other than your opinion.

So wait, those that are going to go to heaven are already written down? Whatever is the point and purpose of all this mortal existence nonsense then?

They are written down because they are foreknown. But we do not know.

God knows the future.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

i still don't get how he is a chils rapist if he hasnet raped a child yet?

i still don't get how he is a chils rapist if he hasnet raped a child yet?

Thoughtcrime, one of Christianity's greatest endorsements. Haven't you read 1984?

http://film.onet.pl/_i/film/n/nevada_smith/d.jpgI've heard all this before* from several shouting mouths, spittle gathering at the corners, trying desperately to outshout the terrible emptiness in the vacuous silence of their beliefs. The fact that I openly laugh at all this should indicate to you how inadequate I think your reasoning for believing these things are. I know them perhaps better than you do. You bring the incipient, elitist, ignorant, fatuous, self-indulged, and deluded tone that so many of your "privileged" kind brings, except yours is slightly different in that you are especially intolerant and oblivious to your own hypocrisy. I hope for your sake you're right about there being time to change the road you are on. Come back to me when you get your own thoughts for a change, either that or when you are able to add something of value in a discussion, not just ad hominems.

(A little advice: cutting and pasting my phrases and then injecting them into your rants isn't really effective. All they tell me is that you don't have a good enough response so you just attempt to throw the grenade back. And bolding "I"s is a not very successfully disguised attempt at trying to say "Look how many times he said "I" or "me" or "my"! How arrogant, all he thinks of is himself!" because what little arrogance of mine that could be gathered from such insidious propaganda is at once thwarted in size by the amount you've made evident in your response.)

What I find most humorous is you say all this like you think it is something other than your opinion.

*"A little advice" to you: He who is often reproved, yet stiffens his neck,will suddenly be broken beyond healing.

So.. a pigeon has a better quality of life than a human who has sex? ROFLMFAO. How?
well according to your value system of sex, sex and more sex, an animal beats you hands down (or maybe I should say, without its hands) - sex is an easier and more frequent for an animal than a human being

I guess he thinks animals dont have sex.. LOL
what on earth makes you think that?

They are written down because they are foreknown. But we do not know.


That's truly wonderful but not an answer to the question. Try again.

sex is an easier and more frequent for an animal than a human being

ROFLMFAO!! Speak for yourself.

A pigeon will mate perhaps 4 or 5 times per year. If that's all you're getting no wonder you're so stuck up and frustrated. Oh wait.. you're celibate - that's so not good for you.

But anyway, what you say makes no sense. I ask what exactly is wrong with sex, sex and more sex to which you basically say "it's wrong because animals do it more" (which they don't lol).... wtf??

well according to your value system of sex, sex and more sex, an animal beats you hands down (or maybe I should say, without its hands) - sex is an easier and more frequent for an animal than a human being


what on earth makes you think that?

Hmm apparently i got that wrong...

You didn't, he just quickly changed angle when he realised the pure idiocy of his statement.

*"A little advice" to you: He who is often reproved, yet stiffens his neck,will suddenly be broken beyond healing.

Sounds like a loving God for sure. If you're trying to be convincing, you've failed miserably. Thanks but no thanks.

You didn't, he just quickly changed angle when he realised the pure idiocy of his statement.

another morbid fear of clarifications, eh?
[QUOTE]
“
sex is an easier and more frequent for an animal than a human being
”
ROFLMFAO!! Speak for yourself.

A pigeon will mate perhaps 4 or 5 times per year.

a pigeon mates more than that in one day

If that's all you're getting no wonder you're so stuck up and frustrated. Oh wait.. you're celibate - that's so not good for you.
no need to envy the pigeons .. is there?
;)


But anyway, what you say makes no sense. I ask what exactly is wrong with sex, sex and more sex to which you basically say "it's wrong because animals do it more" (which they don't lol).... wtf??

no

I said according to such a value system, animals such as pigs, dogs and pigeons are superior
;)

another morbid fear of clarifications, eh?

Thank you for making my point.

Here it is again.. see if you can manage an answer this time..

"anyway, what you say makes no sense. I ask what exactly is wrong with sex, sex and more sex to which you basically say "it's wrong because animals do it more" (which they don't lol).... wtf??"

Explain yourself, or continue with your typical irrelevant idiocy.. whatever.

Thank you for making my point.

Here it is again.. see if you can manage an answer this time..

"anyway, what you say makes no sense. I ask what exactly is wrong with sex, sex and more sex to which you basically say "it's wrong because animals do it more" (which they don't lol).... wtf??"

Explain yourself, or continue with your typical irrelevant idiocy.. whatever.

already done

now what?

wait for more of your first class posts I guess ....

Sounds like a loving God for sure. If you're trying to be convincing, you've failed miserably. Thanks but no thanks.

If I'm "trying to be convincing", eh...uh, no; I'm not "trying to be convincing". Your ingratitude notwithstanding, you exist in the 'context' of God's immediate Presence. The M.O. of this 'context', or, the principle governing its operation/Presence, is the Word of God Written/Incarnate (His Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by Whom also He made the worlds; Who being the brightness of His Glory, and the express Image of His Person, and upholding all things by the Word of His Power...Who is the Image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him: And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist... ).

Remain ignorant of It/Him to your peril.

Truth be told, it's you who've "failed miserably"..."failed miserably" at convincing yourself God does not exist. Misery loves company--but contrary to popular belief, you'll bear the guilt of your sin alone.

If I'm "trying to be convincing", eh...uh, no; I'm not "trying to be convincing". Your ingratitude notwithstanding, you exist in the 'context' of God's immediate Presence. The M.O. of this 'context', or, the principle governing its operation/Presence, is the Word of God Written/Incarnate (His Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by Whom also He made the worlds; Who being the brightness of His Glory, and the express Image of His Person, and upholding all things by the Word of His Power...Who is the Image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him: And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist... ).

Remain ignorant of It/Him to your peril.

Truth be told, it's you who've "failed miserably"..."failed miserably" at convincing yourself God does not exist. Misery loves company--but contrary to popular belief, you'll bear the guilt of your sin alone.

Oh I disagree, I've succeeded grandly at convincing myself God doesn't exist!

I truly don't think you realize that what you say is pure speculation and opinion. You respond to everything I say with threats as to how I will be judged according to what you declare by your own granted authority as my "ingratitude" and "sin", when someone else may see my resistance to your conformity or my pursuit of a well-structured truth as something admirable. Indeed, I could suggest that your God you speak of values a genuine spirit of seeking out what is true and being intellectually honest--even if that means calling myself an atheist because of it--over a memorization of scripture, in which case I believe I have you bested. The point is, you can't prove that my claim is wrong, just as I cannot prove yours is wrong. We are both operating from pure speculation here, and I point this out because it is on such a faulty ground that you vehemently and ineffectively launch your smear campaign and damnation of me. You make overarching statements that due to their ambition (and not to mention blatant ignorance) are just destined to be wrong. For instance, I am far from miserable, but you've assumed right off that because I don't share your idiosyncratic views, then there is no way I can know what true happiness is.

We could replace your bible with a swastika and your tone would be identical to Hitler's that condemned a whole slew of people solely because their opinions differed from his; same echo, different canyon.

And yes, according to your views, I will burn forever in hell with no relief or solace of any kind, and you will get to laugh at me from heaven right along side all-loving Jesus. Once again, the fact that I am not intimidated by this in the slightest should suggest to you how ridiculous I find your reasoning (if one can actually call it that) that leads you to these beliefs. All of your efforts are at a minimum inadequately convincing and poor evangelical tools at best. Maybe you should try a different approach for the next heathen.

I might as well comment on your success too; you've not only convinced yourself that a God exists, but that you happen to fall into the one interpretation of millions (all of which are subject to our feeble and faulty human brains) of one religious practice of one species on one planet that just so fortuitously happens to be the one that God, the creator of the ENTIRE UNIVERSE, chose to represent himself in. How very convenient! If it's degrees of self-convincing we are battling in, then I exclaim a surrender to you!

...... a pigeon mates more than that in one day

....... no need to envy the pigeons .. is there?


........no

........I said according to such a value system, animals such as pigs, dogs and pigeons are superior


Your knowledge of the realm of pigeon is sadly lacking.
Only after seven years in a Tibetan pigeon coop will you
fully understand their mysterious and inneffable ways

... You respond to everything I say with threats as to how I will be judged ...


"Everything"?
Not so. For example, on Tuesday morning, July 31 in the "Why do atheists hate Jesus?" thread Photizo responded to you with an invitation, not a threat.

Photizo wrote: "Christ commands the lame 'pick up your mat and walk' ... will you obey Him?"

That is an invitation.
Govern thyself accordingly.

God bless you.

a pigeon mates more than that in one day

Source for this information please.

no need to envy the pigeons .. is there?

No.

I said according to such a value system, animals such as pigs, dogs and pigeons are superior

While that's still largely inaccurate, how does it answer my question: "what is wrong with sex, sex and more sex"? I didn't ask who was better at it or who did it more, I asked what was wrong with it. Wakey wakey.

Your knowledge of the realm of pigeon is sadly lacking.
Only after seven years in a Tibetan pigeon coop will you
fully understand their mysterious and inneffable ways

http://www.massimorusso.net/Sito/Images/Portfolio/wip/thumbs/supaPig_s.jpg

in the meantime there are effigies to champion the cause of such envy

:D

Oh I disagree, I've succeeded grandly at convincing myself God doesn't exist!

:yawn:

you vehemently and ineffectively launch your smear campaign and damnation of me. You make overarching statements that due All of your efforts are at a minimum inadequately convincing and poor evangelical tools at best. Maybe you should try a different approach for the next heathen... If it's degrees of self-convincing we are battling in, then I exclaim a surrender to you!

There is no smear campaign being launched against you, and damnation is the result of choices made in accordance with the Divine Algorithm (The Word of God)...My initial post was a straighforward reply to the individual who began the thread...you chose to reply to me. My replies to you were neither "evangelical tools" nor attempts at "convincing" you of anything. In fact, they amounted to a provision of basic information--information that you claim to be familiar with. Given that, the exchange demonstrates God is graciously inclined towards you, not hostile. It is you who senses/makes Him to be an Adversary in light of your denial and ineffectual "self convincing". As such, it is He with Whom you are "battling" and not me, and accordingly then, it is He to Whom you must surrender.

"Everything"?
Not so. For example, on Tuesday morning, July 31 in the "Why do atheists hate Jesus?" thread Photizo responded to you with an invitation, not a threat.

Photizo wrote: "Christ commands the lame 'pick up your mat and walk' ... will you obey Him?"

That is an invitation.
Govern thyself accordingly.

God bless you.

Nutter, nobody asked you to comment and I was being specific to this thread. Do you not recognize a bit of rhetorical exaggeration when you see it? Have you been reduced to discuss not the things that matter in our above posts but instead minute details while pedantically overreacting to mere semantics?

That aside, do you honestly believe that's all it was, an innocent invitation? On the back of that invitation, there always looms an ominous response of an eternity of torture if one is to respond negatively. That's not a threat?

Blue text, huh? Archaic-toned language...I think we may have a double-accounter here. :spank:

There is no smear campaign being launched against you, and damnation is the result of choices made in accordance with the Divine Algorithm (The Word of God)...My initial post was a straighforward reply to the individual who began the thread...you chose to reply to me. My replies to you were neither "evangelical tools" nor attempts at "convincing" you of anything. In fact, they amounted to a provision of basic information--information that you claim to be familiar with. Given that, the exchange demonstrates God is graciously inclined towards you, not hostile. It is you who senses/makes Him to be an Adversary in light of your denial and ineffectual "self convincing". As such, it is He with Whom you are "battling" and not me, and accordingly then, it is He to Whom you must surrender.

You aren't a very astute reader are you? I wasn't surrendering to you in any way but a facetious one. Sorry to rain on your parade.

But even so, why would I surrender to something that is dead? Yes I am familiar with your information and see just how you have obtained your beliefs. Unfortunately, they are not pragmatic, which is why I responded to you in the first place. For example, I told you I love others and yet have no relationship with God, which undermines your claim that one has to know your God in order to have genuine love, a claim that I would nominate as the most arrogant and flat out false one I've heard in a long time. You of course chose not to deal with that but to instead dismiss my authentic emotions in one fell swoop with even more arrogance, saying that you do have a monopoly on love. No more is my task to expose your ignorance, you've done that yourself. It's just a pity that you are oblivious to that as well.

And if your part of our exchange is what you would call "gracious", then I fear for your children. While I don't claim a monopoly, I do certainly think you fall short of realizing an authentic love. The fact that you think your God burns his creations in an eternity of torment is another blindingly obvious indicator of that.

The fact that you think your God burns his creations in an eternity of torment is another blindingly obvious indicator of that.

Though thou shouldest bray a fool in a mortar among wheat with a pestle, yet will not his foolishness depart from him.

Though thou shouldest bray a fool in a mortar among wheat with a pestle, yet will not his foolishness depart from him.

That's very nice, such a contribution you've made here.

Nutter, nobody asked you to comment ...


How irrelevant.
Nobody asked you to soil this thread with non sequiturs. But yet you do.

... and I was being specific to this thread ...


No you weren't. Stop trying to save face.

Do you not recognize a bit of rhetorical exaggeration when you see it?


Nice try.

Have you been reduced to discuss not the things that matter in our above posts but instead minute details while pedantically overreacting to mere semantics?



That is exactly what you are doing. Thank you for the autobiographical interlude.

That aside, do you honestly believe that's all it was, an innocent invitation?


On Photizo's part, yes.

On the back of that invitation, there always looms an ominous response of an eternity of torture if one is to respond negatively.


The "ominous response" of which you speak is indelibly etched in your personal ontology, as evidenced by your posting activity in sciforums over the past month as well as your defensive posturing with respect to Photizo's statements.

Blue text, huh?


You are also color blind, old sport.

God bless you.

*************
M*W: Even children are sexual beings. (Don't misinterpret this to be that I'm saying it's okay to assault children).
As Dr. Freud said.

How irrelevant.
Nobody asked you to soil this thread with non sequiturs. But yet you do.

Don't call the kettle black mate.


No you weren't. Stop trying to save face.

Oh I forgot that you are so wise that you know what I mean by my words more than I do, even the thoughts behind them, and that any attempt to explicate them to you will be thwarted by masterful rebuttals like "No you weren't." How silly of me, from now on I'll check with you before I say anything, just in case it's not really what I'm thinking. Honestly, come off of yourself.

Nice try.

That's not an answer to my question. I would mockingly say "Nice try" here, but that would be too dishonest; it was a poor try on your part.

That is exactly what you are doing. Thank you for the autobiographical interlude.

I'll respond to this with a quote of your own;
You are also color blind, old sport.

This is how you follow up on your claim that I am being pedantic? Oh I'm sorry, your NAVY colored text. Yes, navy blue, not blue, how careless of me.

The "ominous response" of which you speak is indelibly etched in your personal ontology, as evidenced by your posting activity in sciforums over the past month as well as your defensive posturing with respect to Photizo's statements.

Yes precisely. Of course an ominous response is to be expected! You go tell Christians that you reject their offer of Jesus, hear their responses and I'll be quick to bet you, many of those will be dripping with ominous threats. I would like it to be more as you suggest and for Christian's offers of salvation to be less colored with the undertone of an eternal threat, but my time on this board has only reinforced my expectations of that dishearteningly frequent combination. And I take it you haven't read all of Photizo's posts to me, otherwise you may have thought twice about defending an understanding/gentle spirit on his part, one that would have stilled my expectation:



Thankfully, He took note of your pathetic estate, showing you The WayPath of Life...an alternative to the path you are currently on, that of being (as concerns you) the ultimate victim i.e. self destruction.
...
He who is often reproved, yet stiffens his neck,will suddenly be broken beyond healing.
...
Remain ignorant of It/Him to your peril.
...
you'll bear the guilt of your sin alone.


In tone, he's actually already damned me (or as he would say, "God has damned me" or "I have damned myself", either way it's all from his mouth) despite your valiant yet useless defense.

God bless you.

If God were to be anything like what you represent, then I would not wish him to bestow upon me anything he deems a blessing.

Don't call the kettle black mate.


There you go with another non sequitur. Again, please stop soiling this thread.

Oh I forgot that you are so wise that you know what I mean by my words more than I do, even the thoughts behind them, and that any attempt to explicate them to you will be thwarted by masterful rebuttals like "No you weren't." How silly of me, from now on I'll check with you before I say anything, just in case it's not really what I'm thinking. Honestly, come off of yourself.


There you go with another unsuccessful attempt at obfuscation. You made the mistake of using a universal quantifier instead of an existential quantifier. In other words, don't say "always" when you mean "sometimes." Otherwise, your folly will continue to be exposed.

... This is how you follow up on your claim that I am being pedantic? Oh I'm sorry, your NAVY colored text. Yes, navy blue, not blue, how careless of me.


At least you admit your mistake. Try to be more careful henceforth. Perhaps if you would proofread some of your sloppy posts and off-the-cuff rants in the future you will be spared any further embarrassment.

... You go tell Christians that you reject their offer of Jesus, hear their responses and I'll be quick to bet you, many of those will be dripping with ominous threats ...


1. If, as you maintain, Christianity is unsubstantiated fiction, then what difference does it make if you are confronted with these perceived "ominous threats"? Why should these perceived "ominous threats" bother you?

2. Understand that these perceived "ominous threats" are not personal "threats" issued by the speaker towards you, rather, the speaker is simply conveying to you the consequences of your action or forebearance to act. The speaker is actually doing you a favor by alerting you to the consequences.

I would like it to be more as you suggest and for Christian's offers of salvation to be less colored with the undertone of an eternal threat, but my time on this board has only reinforced my expectations of that dishearteningly frequent combination. And I take it you haven't read all of Photizo's posts to me, otherwise you may have thought twice about defending an understanding/gentle spirit on his part, one that would have stilled my expectation:

In tone, he's actually already damned me (or as he would say, "God has damned me" or "I have damned myself", either way it's all from his mouth) despite your valiant yet useless defense.


Alas, how you would "like it to be" is irrelevant with respect to, as you yourself have admitted, the fact that "God has damned [you] already." As it is written:

"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:18

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." - John 3:36

Of course you can choose to believe it or not believe it. If you truly reject the entire proposition, then why get your panties in a wad concerning the issue and spend your summer pontificating in an internet discussion forum over a supposed "fiction"? On the other hand, if you do not reject the proposition, you know what to do.

Govern thyself accordingly.

God bless you.

There you go with another unsuccessful attempt at obfuscation. You made the mistake of using a universal quantifier instead of an existential quantifier. In other words, don't say "always" when you mean "sometimes." Otherwise, your folly will continue to be exposed.

Listen Nutter, just because you aren't linguistically tuned enough to discern when one is being serious about a phrase like "you always..." or when it is being used as a rhetorical device, doesn't mean that you should demand conformity of others to your incipient preferences. Nor does it mean that I have made any folly, and you certainly haven't exposed one.


At least you admit your mistake. Try to be more careful henceforth. Perhaps if you would proofread some of your sloppy posts and off-the-cuff rants in the future you will be spared any further embarrassment.

Once again, your opinions of what are sloppy, rants, and even embarrassment for that matter are confined to your little world, and that world only. If you are going to bring them to a public message board, then understand that they are only going to be as considered as the consideration you give others', which from what I'm seeing, is not much at all. Oh and as for mistakes, you have not admitted to yours, that is what makes us so different after all.

1. If, as you maintain, Christianity is unsubstantiated fiction, then what difference does it make if you are confronted with these perceived "ominous threats"? Why should these perceived "ominous threats" bother you?

You fail to understand that some don't stop with just a verbal threat, but I didn't think you would because you also failed to contemplate the threat in the first place. Fiction doesn't hurt, but a brick hurled by a completely deluded person who cannot differentiate fiction from fact does. While that fortunately cannot happen here, it still is disheartening to know that the attitudes behind such violent acts ARE hurled. You might not throw a brick at me (I say that hesitantly) but your attitude that saturates your responses is a festering breeding ground for those who may be a bit less restrained than you, and it only encourages them. Let's please not get into how people of faith have justified the slaughtering of others simply because they reject the faith-heads' beliefs. Seriously, don't respond to me concerning this, if you have a question on it, go read a book about it.


2. Understand that these perceived "ominous threats" are not personal "threats" issued by the speaker towards you, rather, the speaker is simply conveying to you the consequences of your action or forebearance to act. The speaker is actually doing you a favor by alerting you to the consequences.

It is only not issued by the speaker because they know they can't get away with directly condemning someone to hell. So they do the next best thing, "My God condemns you to hell.", or "You have condemned yourself to hell," which is the same thing in sheep's clothing. I don't understand how these threats--which is what they are--are not personal, especially how the "consequences" include an individuals very "soul" in an eternal torment of unimaginable anguish.


Alas, how you would "like it to be" is irrelevant with respect to, as you yourself have admitted, the fact that "God has damned [you] already."

Q.E.D.


As it is written:

"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:18

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." - John 3:36

Of course you can choose to believe it or not believe it. If you truly reject the entire proposition, then why get your panties in a wad concerning the issue and spend your summer pontificating in an internet discussion forum over a supposed "fiction"? On the other hand, if you do not reject the proposition, you know what to do.

I'll take this as a perfectly demonstrated microcosm of my point. I don't think I need to note that the first verse insinuates that if you do not believe, then you are condemned. And if that went unnoticed, then the threat would certainly be detected in the second verse where it says that the wrath of God abideth on him/her. So you present these threats, and then in a pseudo-tolerant and ingratiating manner, you remark, "Of course you can choose to believe it or not." You say this as if I chose not to believe it, that would be the end of it. In your opinion, it clearly isn't; you believe that if I choose to reject this, then I will pay for it with my ever-boiling skin and ever-gnashing teeth in a lake of fire which is fueled by my own sins. I do regard this is as completely absurd and fictitious conjures by intolerant people much like yourself, and I will gladly spend a summer discussing it because as you've just demonstrated to me and everyone reading that you yourself, the one doing the condemning, is completely oblivious to it's absurdity and your own hostile tone. This is a problem which results in much unnecessary schisms, hostilities, and even deaths and if I can but get you or anyone else to see just how insensitive, un-loving, cruel, ungrounded, masochistic, insidious, intemperate, strident, and immoral what you promote is, then my time is well spent.

Perhaps it is you who should, what is it you so pompously say, ah, "Govern thyself accordingly."

I'll go ahead and say this now, for all your hypocritical accusations of "soiling up" threads, our duel of insults is doing just that to this thread. I recommend we stop it, as it is obviously not going to get anywhere, nor is it contributing anything of value to anything. We could go back and forth for pages and pages, but I think it would be best if we didn't.

Listen Nutter, just because you aren't linguistically tuned enough to discern when one is being serious about a phrase like "you always..." or when it is being used as a rhetorical device, doesn't mean that you should demand conformity of others to your incipient preferences. Nor does it mean that I have made any folly, and you certainly haven't exposed one.




Once again, your opinions of what are sloppy, rants, and even embarrassment for that matter are confined to your little world, and that world only. If you are going to bring them to a public message board, then understand that they are only going to be as considered as the consideration you give others', which from what I'm seeing, is not much at all.



You fail to understand that some don't stop with just a verbal threat, but I didn't think you would because you also failed to contemplate the threat in the first place. Fiction doesn't hurt, but a brick hurled by a completely deluded person who cannot differentiate fiction from fact does. While that fortunately cannot happen here, it still is disheartening to know that the attitudes behind such violent acts ARE hurled. You might not throw a brick at me (I say that hesitantly) but your attitude that saturates your responses is a festering breeding ground for those who may be a bit less restrained than you, and it only encourages them. Let's please not get into how people of faith have justified the slaughtering of others simply because they reject the faith-heads' beliefs. Seriously, don't respond to me concerning this, if you have a question on it, go read a book about it.



It is only not issued by the speaker because they know they can't get away with directly condemning someone to hell. So they do the next best thing, "My God condemns you to hell.", or "You have condemned yourself to hell," which is the same thing in sheep's clothing. I don't understand how these threats--which is what they are--are not personal, especially how the "consequences" include an individuals very "soul" in an eternal torment of unimaginable anguish.



Q.E.D.



I'll take this as a perfectly demonstrated microcosm of my point. I don't think I need to note that the first verse insinuates that if you do not believe, then you are condemned. And if that went unnoticed, then the threat would certainly be detected in the second verse where it says that the wrath of God abideth on him/her. So you present these threats, and then in a pseudo-tolerant and ingratiating manner, you remark, "Of course you can choose to believe it or not." You say this as if I chose not to believe it, that would be the end of it. In your opinion, it clearly isn't; you believe that if I choose to reject this, then I will pay for it with my ever-boiling skin and ever-gnashing teeth in a lake of fire which is fueled by my own sins. I do regard this is as completely absurd and fictitious conjures by intolerant people much like yourself, and I will gladly spend a summer discussing it because as you've just demonstrated to me and everyone reading that you yourself, the one doing the condemning, is completely oblivious to it's absurdity and your own hostile tone. This is a problem which results in much unnecessary schisms, hostilities, and even deaths and if I can but get you or anyone else to see just how insensitive, un-loving, cruel, ungrounded, masochistic, insidious, intemperate, strident, and immoral what you promote is, then my time is well spent.

Perhaps it is you who should, what is it you so pompously say, ah, "Govern thyself accordingly."

I'll go ahead and say this now, for all your hypocritical accusations of "soiling up" threads, our duel of insults is doing just that to this thread. I recommend we stop it, as it is obviously not going to get anywhere, nor is it contributing anything of value to anything. We could go back and forth for pages and pages, but I think it would be best if we didn't.

Well said !
Dont waste any more time on him, he is laughable..

Well said !
Dont waste any more time on him, he is laughable..

The task of raising awareness is truly is a cross to bear, if you'll pardon the expression and self-aggrandizing. :p

It's not so much he's a waste of time for me, but that I am regrettably a waste of time for him. I highly doubt he will actually consider anything I've said past the extent required to come up with a combative response, and it certainly won't amount to more than a pathetic atheist's glossolalia in his opinion. So you're unfortunately right, overall, it's a pretty big waste of time.

"Well said Nutter"...spoken like a true fisher of men. Instead of opting to catch and release, you filleted that small fry like the catch of the day.

Bravo.

OK, I got lost several pages back.
God judges you by your thoughts, not your acts? (in this guys case)
Paradise has nothing to do with you and everything to do with God. Your reward for ending up in heaven is that you get to bask in God's glory.

That blows.

"Well said Nutter"...spoken like a true fisher of men. Instead of opting to catch and release, you filleted that small fry like the catch of the day.

Bravo.

You know, I'm still not sure you're not actually Nutter as well, and if you are, posting something like this in response to somebody congratulating my pwnage of you and him is even more embarassing and pathetic than your arguments are to begin with.

And I think you meant to say "My God filleted him," or maybe "HE filleted himself." Right?

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e302/qcparrothead/charlie-brown.jpg
You know, I'm still not sure you're not actually Nutter as well...

And I think you meant to say "My God filleted him," or maybe "HE filleted himself." Right?

Wrong...:sleep:

Wrong...:sleep:

I'm pretty confused by all your random and irrelevant pictures, but at least this one isn't bordering on pornography. Oh thank goodness, he's asleep, maybe we can sneak actual meaning and direction back into this thread before he wakes.

That's truly wonderful but not an answer to the question. Try again.




Life is your time to decide to accept the will of God or reject the will of God.

Just because God already knows what decision you will make does not make your decision a waste of time. :)


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

A father cooking some food on a stove looks down and see's his 4 year old daughter reaching up to the stove top. He gives her warning, Do not touch the stove or you will get burn’s. The little girl goes into a temper tantrum and screams at her father for "Threatening her" by saying she is going to be burned.

The little girl then stubbornly reaches up and put her hand on the oven plate in an act of defiance against her father and a show of independence and bravery. She then starts to scream in pain and yells even more at her father who warned her of the consequence of her actions.

That little girl in on this thread right now. There are a lot of little kids like that on this forum.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

OK, I got lost several pages back.
God judges you by your thoughts, not your acts? (in this guys case)
Paradise has nothing to do with you and everything to do with God. Your reward for ending up in heaven is that you get to bask in God's glory.

That blows.

hence people are trapped to conditional life, not so much because they are prohibited from entrance into the state of liberation, but because they consider conditional life a "great deal".

A father cooking some food on a stove looks down and see's his 4 year old daughter reaching up to the stove top. He gives her warning, Do not touch the stove or you will get burn’s. The little girl goes into a temper tantrum and screams at her father for "Threatening her" by saying she is going to be burned.

The little girl then stubbornly reaches up and put her hand on the oven plate in an act of defiance against her father and a show of independence and bravery. She then starts to scream in pain and yells even more at her father who warned her of the consequence of her actions.

That little girl in on this thread right now. There are a lot of little kids like that on this forum.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

How adorable, even with all the grammatical and spelling errors. But let's come up with a more fitting scenario, shall we?

A father has a little boy and upon this boy's acquiring of rational thought, the father promptly ties him up close to a hot stove. The father then tells the boy that he was born dirty and being dirty, he must be purged by the flames and then slowly pushes the boy's hand ever closer to the hot stove. "It's hot, you don't want to touch that!" explains the father, "but I should make you aware of an escape from this horrible fate. I've sent my very only begotten and beloved hand to take your place on that stove. If you accept on faith that I've masochistically seared my own hand instead of yours and do everything I say from now on, then your hand will be spared. Aren't I a loving father for doing all this to you? Nevermind why I choose to fix your dirtiness by way of searing hot torture, or why I chose to make you dirty by default in the first place...instead focus on how gracious and forgiving I am of you!"

In one instance, the boy realizes the absurdity of the entire situation, notes that the ropes being used to hold him are only tied around his wrists and nothing else, and walks away from the psychotic father leaving him to his own devices. He is ever bewildered at people running in the opposite direction, jubilantly and fatuously rushing into the father's "loving" set-up and worshiping him for saving their hands that didn't really have to be burned at all in the first place.

This grown man, once a little boy, is in this thread right now. There are a lot of grown-ups like that on this forum, and there should be more.

Life is your time to decide to accept the will of God or reject the will of God.

It's not about accepting any wills or lack thereof, it's about being asked to believe in something that you are simply incapable of believing in. You for instance can never bring yourself to "just believe" that allah exists and is the god you should be accepting the will of. As a result of that you will be tortured forever because allah is the real deal.

Did any of that have any sway over your lack of belief in this entity? Of course not, absolutely bloody regardless to the threats, the claims of punishment - and yet for some bizarre reason you expect me to do the exact thing you're not even capable of. Why would you think I am any more capable than you?

Regardless to threats and claims I am simply unable to just believe in these things - as are many millions of people around the globe, and indeed every person on the planet with regards to any claimed entity other than the one they happen to believe in.

It is not a choice on my p