"Che was the most complete human being of our age."Jean Paul Sartre

I think i should post this topic on philosophy section and on the politics section. From a political point of view..why do you think that Sartre thought that Che was a complete human being? Do you agree?

I think he saw him as a man that was his ideas. A man that saw something and acted on it completely.

I disagree on two points.
1. this is not an uncommon trait, che was just more successful then most. Being successful doesn't make you complete... at least not from a spiritual or philosophical stand point, which I assume Sartre was coming from.
2. Che was a total egomaniac which polluted any ideas he might have had. He was a deeply flawed individual.


of course... these two points are based upon my assumption of why Sartre gave him that title... and I could be wrong there which would invalidate the previous points.

I always thought that Che was a very humble person.

Che said "
"The life of a single human being is worth a million times more than all the property of the richest man on earth. ... Far more important than a good remuneration is the pride of serving one's neighbor. Much more definitive and much more lasting than all the gold that one can accumulate is the gratitude of a people.

"We must begin to erase our old concepts. We should not go to the people and say, `Here we are. We come to give you the charity of our presence, to teach you our science, to show you your errors, your lack of culture, your ignorance of elementary things.' We should go instead with an inquiring mind and a humble spirit to learn at that great source of wisdom that is the people.

How can someone with these ideas be a egomaniac?( But there are man y people who think that he was a egomaniac)

Che might have been stern, harsh, on himself and on his combatants. Well he had little chance considering the rebel army, outnumbered facing betrayal, bombs and hunger. I also think that Che paid attention not to humiliate his enemies.

Che Guevara was a murderous, communist, psychopath. He had absolutely no redeeming qualities. He was a terrorist through and through. There is nothing admirable or noteworthy about him.

i think that Che was a very complete human being in that he stood up for his ideals, which is more then any of us can say today, his bravery, and courage live on in his memory, and he truely is an inspiration.

Che Guevara was a murderous, communist, psychopath.first, what are your sources?
murderous? names or numbers? crimes or events?
a communist, ok a given, but not a crime in itself (except being naive, cunning or dumb)
psychopath? & which good doctor diagnosed him?

He had absolutely no redeeming qualities.actually, he makes a very good poster, logo, t-shirt

He was a terrorist through and through.he pre-dates terrorism, unless you have examples?

There is nothing admirable or noteworthy about him.actually, Chicanos like me, kind of like the good doctor, an idealist against the might of the imperialist, capitalist West. David against Goliath. His only flaw, was not seeing that you have to be part of the system to change it, or at least become rich ala Jerry Rubin (communism NO, capitalism YES)

I kinda like my party, The DRSG

democraticrepublicansocialistgreen
they all have some good points, take what works, dump the rest

How can someone with these ideas be a egomaniac?( But there are man y people who think that he was a egomaniac)
If you judged people by what they said instead upon what they did, then think of how many demons you would call saints?

Seriously... think of a few...

Che Guevara was the greatest. Good quotes.

Che Guevara was a murderous, communist, psychopath. He had absolutely no redeeming qualities. He was a terrorist through and through. There is nothing admirable or noteworthy about him.

Replace Che Guevara with Latin American capitalism, and imperialism then you see the reality. The only reason why brute over there is saying this nonsense is because he's a "communist".

Karmashock if you want to judge by what he did instead of what he said show us somthing bad that he has done to support your argument. Brutus just because you dont like che's cause dosnt give you the right to judge his personality by it.

Che Guevara:

Argentinian doctor; joined Castro in Mexico in 1954; a leader of the 1956-59 Cuban Revolution. Che served as president of Cuba's national bank and as Cuba's minister of industry in the period immediately following the Cuban Revolution.

Towards the end of his formal affiliation with the Cuban government, Che came to implicitly criticize Soviet bureacracy. His positions put him at odds with the party line of the Cuban CP and this ultimately led to his resignation and his return to revolutionary work abroad.

During Che's subsequent revolutionary campaigns, he wrote his Message to the Tricontinental (1967) in which he openly criticized the Soviet Union; claiming that the Northern hemisphere of the world, both the Soviet Union and the US, exploited the Southern hemisphere of the world. He strongly supported the Vietnamese Revolution, and urged his comrades in South America to create "many vietnams".

In 1965 Che left Cuba to set up guerrilla forces first in the Congo and then later in Bolivia, where he was ultimately captured and killed in October 1967. Accounts of his execution have varied over the years, but many contemprary accounts indicate some degree of collaboration between Bolivia's government troops and the United States CIA.

Guevara developed a theory of primacy of military struggle, in particular concept of guerilla foquismo. Many of Che's theories regarding guerilla tactics are articulated in his 1961 work "Guerilla Warfare."



In general guys.. good person or not, He was a great leader and general.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara
In 1959, Guevara was appointed commander of the La Cabana Fortress prison. During his term as commander of the fortress from 1959–1963, he oversaw the executions of hundreds of political prisoners and regime opponents (estimates range from 500 to 1700). Many individuals imprisoned at La Cabana, such as poet and human rights activist Armando Valladares, allege that Guevara took particular and personal interest in the interrogation, torture, and execution of some prisoners.

this guy was a monster... you want to love him because he fought for some sick commie cause? Fine... know that people lined up to put one more bullet in his head the day he died... his body war hardly recognizable when they were done with him. Follow suit and earn the same following.

Erm no here is what happened...

1959
January 2; triumphal entrance of Che and Camilo Cienfuegos in La Habana. February; Che is declared Cuban born. On June 2, he married Aleida March. From june till august, Che travelled through Africa, Asia and Yugoslavia. On October 7, Fidel Castro named him head of the Industry Department in the Agrarian Reform's National Institute. On November 26, he is named president of the National Bank.

1960
Che finished his book "Guerra de guerrillas"("Guerrilla warefare"), published under the responsibilty of the Rebel Department's Instruction Deparment. Its first edition is censored all over Latin America. On July 26, during the First Latin America Youth Congress, Che defined the Cuban revolution as a marxist one. In October, he wrote "Nota para el estudio de la revolucion cubana" ("Notes for the studies about Cuba's revolution"), in which he reviewed the revolution's stages. From October 21 to Febrary 1961, he traveled to the socialist countries (in particular, to China, Czechoslovakia and the USSR) as part of a commercial delegation.

1961
On February 23, he was named Minister for Industry and he quit the National Bank's presidency. In April, he wrote "Cuba, caso excepcional o vanguardia en la lucha contra el imperialismo" ("Cuba exceptional case or avantgarde in struggle against imperialism"). On april 17, Playa Giron was invaded. Che was the commander of the military regions. August; Che represented Cuba in the CIES meeting in Punta del Este (Uruguay). He made a short trip to Buenos Aires and had a secret meeting with the Argentinian president, Arturo Frondizi. Then he traveled to Brasilia, where he was decorated by Brazil's president, J. Cuadros, with the Cruz del Sur order.

1962
October; The Russian rocket crisis obligates him to take his military place in Pinar del Rio.

1963
June; Che sent Masetti and a group of Cubans to organize a guerrilla in the northern region of Argentina. He wrote "Pasajes de la guerra revolucionaria" (Revolutionary war passages"). In December, he spoke in front of United Nations' Assembly and he refered to the armed struggle as the only way to realize socialism. He travelled to Mali, Guinea, Ghana, Dahomey and Tazania.

...And the death caught up with him near Higueras in Bolivia. He was surrounded by Barrientos’ troops on the night of October 7th, 1967. Heavily wounded from his leg, and he was locked up in a school in Higueras. Never he bowed to anyone. Nine bullets fired by Mario Turan, a murderer for Barrientos.