I am new to this Forum and this is my first thread so apologies if this subject has already been thoroughly discussed. I am here to see if anyone has any theories into the "Cattle Mutilation Phenomena". If anyone is unfamiliar with this phenomena i will elaborate.

"Cattle Mutilation Phenomena" refers to thousands of cases in which cattle were found mutilated under abnormal circumstances. The cows were found dead (cause of death unknown), exsanguinated (all of there blood had been removed), found with incision marks of surgical precision and their organs surgically removed from their bodies, often their reproductive and rectal organs.

Abnormally high radiation levels were detected near the dead animals when they are found. There were no footprints leading to or from the cows. There was evidence (clamp marks on the animals' legs) that the cattle were taken from their habitats and mutilated elsewhere. Sightings of UFO's have coincide with many of the cases.

The marks found on the animals are not consistent with attacks by predators or other animals. In many cases the cattle owners hear nothing of the mutilation which usually takes place at night.
The body of the animals were totally drained of blood yet there was no trace of blood found, no signs of a struggle, footprints or tire tracks found anywhere on the ground around the body.

The typical cattle mutilation has shown repeatedly, huge oval shaped incisions around the jaw bone and in most cases the exposed jaw is completely removed, and the tongue removed from a precise incision deep in the throat.

UFOs and strange black helicopters have been linked with these mutilations since they have been sighted at the same time in the same area where the mutilated animals have been found. There have been reports about UFO's lifting the animal off the ground.

I just started this thread to see if anyone had any interesting theories or ideas. Post away! :)

I've yet to see the cattle mutilation case where the pathology wasn't consistent with post-mortem mutilation by rodents, insects, canines, etc.

Significance-junkies get the data wrong and believe things like "blood is drained" etc without considering that blood pools in low spots of the carcass because of gravity; that scavengers harvest blood first because of its immediate benefit in protein, etc.

Never has there been a cattle mutilation case that has demonstrably proved to be anything other than nature at work. I grew up in Texas ranch country. Cattle die all the time and critters get them by morning. Its a fact of life. Its also a fact of life that if the rancher can generate some mystery and talk the local ag-extension in to subsidizing a cow lost to disease, predation or neglect, he'll do it.

Thank you for the Reply.

How would you explain the removal of all organs/parts of the cattle with surgical precision? To my knowledge a rodent, insect, or a canine would be easily pointed out scientifically as being the cause of the cattles wounds as i'm sure many cases have been seen before to compare. From the pictures of these cases, the wounds of the animals don't point to the cause of them by rodent, insect, canine, etc because an animal would leave behind proof that it was them (teeth marks,distinct eating pattern, etc). In lots of cases the same specific organs/parts have been removed. In a lot of these cases the carcass had abnormally high levels of radiation and scavengers would not go near them.
Originally Posted by SkinWalker
Significance-junkies get the data wrong and believe things like "blood is drained" etc without considering that blood pools in low spots of the carcass because of gravity; that scavengers harvest blood first because of its immediate benefit in protein, etc.
In many of these cases, the blood from the animal has been completely drained, no blood left or found. Insects could have consumed the blood but I believe there would be scientific proof on this or traces of evidence.
Never has there been a cattle mutilation case that has demonstrably proved to be anything other than nature at work. If it cannot be proved as anything other, the natural course is to assume it was nature because that would be a rational explanation to a unexplainable phenomena like this one.
Originally Posted by SkinWalker
Cattle die all the time and critters get them by morning. Its a fact of life.
I agree with you but what about the cases that show that an animal hasn't commited the mutilations?
Originally Posted by SkinWalker
Its also a fact of life that if the rancher can generate some mystery and talk the local ag-extension in to subsidizing a cow lost to disease, predation or neglect, he'll do it. Are you insinuating that there isn't any honest Ranchers out there!? :p Just Kidding.

Many of these cases, I believe, can be explained rationally but some that cannot. I'm sure there are many theories to it. Thanks again for the reply.

J-Rod.

Have you any sources for these incidents that are NOT hosted on www.unexplainedmusteriesufofilessecerttopsecretill uminatconspiracy.com ? Remember, information is only as valuable as its source. Those websites are not held in high reguard by the scientific community.

Broken Link.

I agree with you when you say information is only as valuable as it source and I apologise if what I'm saying comes across as fact. I only wanted to address the subject and claims to exchange theories and ideas about it.

I understand

The problem is, we have what's claimed about cattle mutiliations and what is actually true about them. It may be true that cattle are found missing their organs, blood etc. But I have to echo C Hamster in asking for a true source. The urban legend of cattle mutilation is one thing. Lets discuss a real case.

Until then, you're defending an urban legend.

Sorry about the cattle, that was Bob...he's new. :p

I am new to this Forum and this is my first thread so apologies if this subject has already been thoroughly discussed. I am here to see if anyone has any theories into the "Cattle Mutilation Phenomena". If anyone is unfamiliar with this phenomena i will elaborate.

"Cattle Mutilation Phenomena" refers to thousands of cases in which cattle were found mutilated under abnormal circumstances. The cows were found dead (cause of death unknown), exsanguinated (all of there blood had been removed), found with incision marks of surgical precision and their organs surgically removed from their bodies, often their reproductive and rectal organs.

Abnormally high radiation levels were detected near the dead animals when they are found. There were no footprints leading to or from the cows. There was evidence (clamp marks on the animals' legs) that the cattle were taken from their habitats and mutilated elsewhere. Sightings of UFO's have coincide with many of the cases.

The marks found on the animals are not consistent with attacks by predators or other animals. In many cases the cattle owners hear nothing of the mutilation which usually takes place at night.
The body of the animals were totally drained of blood yet there was no trace of blood found, no signs of a struggle, footprints or tire tracks found anywhere on the ground around the body.

The typical cattle mutilation has shown repeatedly, huge oval shaped incisions around the jaw bone and in most cases the exposed jaw is completely removed, and the tongue removed from a precise incision deep in the throat.

UFOs and strange black helicopters have been linked with these mutilations since they have been sighted at the same time in the same area where the mutilated animals have been found. There have been reports about UFO's lifting the animal off the ground.

I just started this thread to see if anyone had any interesting theories or ideas. Post away! :)


From Rigorous Intuition

"This almost beggars credulity, and so it should. But such extraordinary sights are not unknown in the American west. A family of ranchers named Bradshaw had a two-year brush with high weirdness near Sedona, Arizona in the early 90s, including encounters with glowing orbs, poltergiests, cattle mutilations and strange humanoids. They also claimed to witness a similar "structure" in the sky that appeared to serve as a gateway between different realities. (The Bradshaw's story is told in a book entitled Merging Dimensions: The Opening Portals of Sedona.)"

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2006/01/bad-medicine-part-two_05.html

the little i have researched bout tisweird 'phenomena'-----i read that it may be part ofa conspiracy. that covert oprations have access to advanced tech, and that tis is a psy ops which creates paranoiaregarding 'ETs'---buildng up to a creation of a 'final enemy' from 'outer space'

this thing i reead had witness say they seemed to spot helecopter trajectory kind of hidden

ie., a MAn taaaang

now THAT wouod make sense.......

The fairies of old were known for their mischievous pranks, and virtually every ancient culture had legends about a Trickster figure. One variety is the viscera-sucker of the Philippines. This creature flies about at night, extracting the organs, body fluids, and fetuses of its victims by means of its long, thin, razor-sharp tongue.

In American Indian folklore, Trickster is an essentially formless entity, usually called Coyote, Raven, or Hare, which plays all sorts of tricks on other animals and on humans. He is often involved in animal and human mutilations -- decapitating, skinning, and eviscerating his victims.

Originally Posted by duendy
the little i have researched bout tisweird 'phenomena'-----i read that it may be part ofa conspiracy. that covert oprations have access to advanced tech, and that tis is a psy ops which creates paranoiaregarding 'ETs'---buildng up to a creation of a 'final enemy' from 'outer space'

this thing i reead had witness say they seemed to spot helecopter trajectory kind of hidden

ie., a MAn taaaang

now THAT wouod make sense.......

Supposed sightings of strange black unmarked helicopters have been linked with these mutilations since they have been sighted at the same time in the same area where the mutilated bovines have been found. Another supposed theory is they are a result of US Government experiments and testing of bio/chem. weapons.

Origianlly Posted by c7ityi
The fairies of old were known for their mischievous pranks, and virtually every ancient culture had legends about a Trickster figure. One variety is the viscera-sucker of the Philippines. This creature flies about at night, extracting the organs, body fluids, and fetuses of its victims by means of its long, thin, razor-sharp tongue.

In American Indian folklore, Trickster is an essentially formless entity, usually called Coyote, Raven, or Hare, which plays all sorts of tricks on other animals and on humans. He is often involved in animal and human mutilations -- decapitating, skinning, and eviscerating his victims.

The chupacabra ("Goat Sucker") is claimed to be an animal said to be unknown to science and systemically killing animals in places like Puerto Rico, Miami, Nicaragua, Chile, and Mexico. The alleged creature's name originated with the discovery of some dead goats in Puerto Rico with puncture wounds in their necks and their blood allegedly drained. According to UFO Magazine (March/April 1996) there have been more than 2,000 reported cases of animal mutilations in Puerto Rico attributed to the alleged "chupacabra". Some witnesses have claimed to have seen a small half-alien, half-dinosaur tail-less vampire with quills running down its back, others have claimed to have seen a panther like creature with a long snake-like tongue, still others claiming seen a hopping animal that leaves a trail of sulfuric stench.

This creature flies about at night, extracting the organs, body fluids, and fetuses of its victims by means of its long, thin, razor-sharp tongue.
bar the flying, this sounds like ... EL CHUPACABRA!

The fairies of old were known for their mischievous pranks, and virtually every ancient culture had legends about a Trickster figure. One variety is the viscera-sucker of the Philippines. This creature flies about at night, extracting the organs, body fluids, and fetuses of its victims by means of its long, thin, razor-sharp tongue.

mez))where in fairy lore/folk lore does it say faeries disected cows?
i haveseen a 'vampire' bat that sucks blood from cattle at night.
i this 'viscera-sucker' based on something similar...?

In American Indian folklore, Trickster is an essentially formless entity, usually called Coyote, Raven, or Hare, which plays all sorts of tricks on other animals and on humans. He is often involved in animal and human mutilations -- decapitating, skinning, and eviscerating his victims.
but is that mythology or is it historical--ie., isthere evidence from the past for that mythic theme?

Originally Posted by Communist Hamster
bar the flying, this sounds like ... EL CHUPACABRA!
Allegedly what El Chupacabra looks like : http://www.elchupacabra.com/goatsucker.gif

Other sources claim it looks like a dog, and/or a cross between a dog and a fetus.
http://users4.ev1.net/~jblaschke/Images/chupacabra.jpg
http://www.qtm.net/~geibdan/chup/a.jpg
http://www.hufos.net/images/Texas_Chupacabra.jpg

Communist Hamster - Interesting. The Link I provided of the artists impression of El Chupracabra suggest that it would supposedly walk on two legs and the other features/attributes seem a bit far-fetched. The pictures you provided seem more feasible.

While we're linking, these are relevant:

http://skepdic.com/chupa.html
http://www.looksmarttrends.com/p/articles/mi_m2843/is_2_25/ai_71563250
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/08/25/234533.php

another pic of a chupacabra:



since people fake, it's hard to tell which one's are real.

In the theosophic tradition, the astral world or astral light is said to comprise several spheres of increasingly ethereal, more plastic matter surrounding and interpenetrating the physical earth. These planes are said to be inhabited by a variety of entities.

Aliens, UFO's, men in black, werewolves, fairies, demons, loch ness type dinosaurs, and other paranormal creatures probably have their origin in these realms.

In regards to the pictures of chupacabra and the different ideas of what he might look like if he is real, my idea would be nearer the pictures supplied by Communist Hamster as they look like a kind of Hyena type scavenger and look more feasible. Let's say for talking sake that this animal did attack the cattle, this animal looks like the kind that would hunt in packs or scavage a dead carcass or leftovers. I can't see this animal or think of any other animal that could make the wounds we're talking about, but then again I don't know if El Chupacabra is real and neither do I know what it is capable of if it is...

Those pictures which I posted have also been theorised to be wild dogs with a rare skin disease. Maybe that's all the chupacabra ever was, who knows.

The FBI did release the files on their investigations to alledged cattle mutilations. Notibly unqualified police investigators might have contributed to the myth of such muilations being related to UFO's or Cult groups, however a majority of them really suggested natural causes for most animals.

I did raise a question based upon sociology in the sense that there is notibly more reported cases of "Cattle mutilations" and other animal mutilations in countries that purchase Human Blood for money. To my knowledge I've not heard of any mutilations in the UK other than a few horse ones involving people mistreating animals, the UK doesn't purchase blood, it relies upon people donating it.

It could be suggested that a bit of human blood merged with cattle blood might be parsed off as a greater quantity of human blood. The same could be said for the use of any missing organ especially considering the worlds trade in body parts.

Interesting point Stryder. If true, it's a disturbing insight into what some people might do for money.

August 7, 2004 - Anderson, California Ranch (http://www.earthfiles.com/news/news.cfm?ID=1038&category=Environment)

North of the Barton Ranch in Anderson, California, on August 7, 2004, a dead and mutilated female calf only two or three days old was found dead with neat, bloodless excisions that resembled an earlier mutilation. A veterinarian took photographs of that older cow and told the rancher there was no explanation for how the animal's jaw flesh, eyeballs, udder, rectal and vaginal tissue had been so precisely and bloodlessly removed. Then in August 2004, the newborn heifer suffered the same fate.

** tail excision in neat cut through tail bone from newborn heifer

Another bull found dead with bloodless excisions January 5, 2006, on the Barton Ranch: right jaw stripped of all flesh, the tongue was removed,
the right eye was gone, the right ear was cut straight across at the ear tag, and the rectum was cored out.

The photos are at the link and aren't pretty.

Cool that pretty much lifetime ranchers suddenly had such an upsurge in weird cattle deaths, that they requested an official investigation by the government of New Mexico back in the 70s.

Many ranchers grow up on farms and ranches themselves, and have been around cows and other animals their whole lives. Did they really all of a sudden start reporting "ordinary" deaths as being mysterious for no reason at all??? Or did they start doing that because these cattle were really being killed in a manner that was not at all ordinary?

I Did It, I Killed All The Cows

Who Killed All The Cows?

I Did

Easythere guys, the threads unexplained mystery is taking a dive towards the funny pages.

The cows were found dead (cause of death unknown), exsanguinated (all of there blood had been removed), found with incision marks of surgical precision and their organs surgically removed from their bodies, often their reproductive and rectal organs.

:)

Was something running out of spare parts?

Was something running out of spare parts?
Like another cow? With opposable thumbs and six digits on each hand? It could use a computer keyboard AND normal humainoid tools! Good grief, we must make contact with this bovine civilisation!

... Or just some leather "seti's" out of them

Good grief, we must make contact with this bovine civilisation!

Do cows and rodents play well together?

Do cows and rodents play well together?
Do...uh...craterchains get caused by Fiery Ice (comets)? Yes! How fitting.

The FBI did release the files on their investigations to alledged cattle mutilations. Notibly unqualified police investigators might have contributed to the myth of such muilations being related to UFO's or Cult groups, however a majority of them really suggested natural causes for most animals.

I did raise a question based upon sociology in the sense that there is notibly more reported cases of "Cattle mutilations" and other animal mutilations in countries that purchase Human Blood for money. To my knowledge I've not heard of any mutilations in the UK other than a few horse ones involving people mistreating animals, the UK doesn't purchase blood, it relies upon people donating it.

It could be suggested that a bit of human blood merged with cattle blood might be parsed off as a greater quantity of human blood. The same could be said for the use of any missing organ especially considering the worlds trade in body parts.
Aliens from outer space use animal parts for experimentation., Their goal to create a species that would push humans beneath the food chain!!. ;)
Or,...possibly a rare delicacy for an extra terrestrial B-B-Q!

Anyone who doesn't realise that the cows are in charge is an utter fool. Do you realise that these creatures can change the weather by the mere act of lying down!??

Anyone who doesn't realise that the cows are in charge is an utter fool. Do you realise that these creatures can change the weather by the mere act of lying down!??
I can change the weather channel on TV by the flick of my finger!! :D

Aliens from outer space use animal parts for experimentation., Their goal to create a species that would push humans beneath the food chain!!. ;)
Or,...possibly a rare delicacy for an extra terrestrial B-B-Q!

The ones that are stuck here, the LOSERS, have done that already. Just imagine the angry response from the masses when they do find out or figure out the truth. Those LOSERS will not only be stuck between a rock and a hot place but between an angry mob and a hot place.

I, Personally, chalk cattle mutilations up there with crop circles. Too many plausible things could be going on to make it anything on a grand scale.

That's not to say that all cattle mutilations arent interesting. Each case should be investigated and on occaison some cases might feature unusual types of mutiliations which baffle us. In those instances I think their worth exploring. But on a case by case study. Otherwise skeptics and debunkers will pick out the ONE simple case, and completely debunk it - claiming that debunks all of them, thereby missing that one mutilation out of a 100 that are actually anything out of the ordinary.

Likewise, believers will give you the impression that if one cattle is mutiliated in a baffling way that all mutilations are the result of aliens. So, the best way to analyze these types of things is to do it on a case by case basis and go from there.

- Rob

BTW, I do think it's rather strange for an alien to mutilate cattle. Maybe they love milk?

**Insert image of gray alien with milk mustache**

Our astronauts fell down while walking on the Moon. I can just see an alien out on his moon-patio when he see's our astronauts walking..

Alien: Hey! look it's intelligent life!

**Astronaut falls down** :rolleyes:

Alien: Oh, nevermind...

now they view cows as our intelligent life. :D

But cows are easily tipped. Maybe it's just alien teenagers!

nah, cows do it to themselves,..its a weird ritual amongst cows!!

I, Personally, chalk cattle mutilations up there with crop circles.

- Rob

Yep, both are on the low end of the scale of food chain and techology communication.

do humans get radiation through the arse and do we bleed like cattle do
and do we swell up heaps
i mean what about the caqttle mutilations when the mothman was seen my hundreds of people and ufo's were sighted were they hiding stuff and just trying to make a movie

Mothman???

Mothman???

Mothman is the name given to a strange creature reported in the Charleston and Point Pleasant areas of West Virginia between November 1966 and

December 1967. The creature was sporadically reported to be seen before and after those dates, with some sightings as recent as September of 2007.

[citation needed] Most observers describe the Mothman as a winged man-sized creature with large reflective red eyes and large moth like wings. It often

appeared to have no head, with its eyes set into its chest. A number of hypotheses have been presented to explain eyewitness accounts, ranging from

misidentification and coincidence to paranormal phenomena and conspiracy theories.

WIKI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothman

... A number of hypotheses have been presented to explain eyewitness accounts, ranging from misidentification and coincidence to paranormal phenomena and conspiracy theories.

WIKI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothman

what about drunk?:rolleyes: