This guy is the only one with the guts to say what most of us are thinking:

http://teamtancredo.org/

How do you close the border?

LOL! Now I know you must be joking. There's not a bigger idiot in the race.

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How do you close the border?
Easy, build a wall.

How do you close the border?

More National Guard, more Minutemen, fences, walls, armed citizens, landmines, alligators, whatever it takes. The border is a disaster. :(

It worked for East germany

Dont forget barbed wire.

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Sorry, monkey. It's kind of slow. It's getting a zillion hits.

Dont forget barbed wire.

Electrically charged.

Attack dogs too.

The wall needs patriots with guns.

LOL! Now I know you must be joking. There's not a bigger idiot in the race.

I'm as serious as a heart attack. Parasites are invading my country by the millions and I'm fed up. They're trashing neighborhoods, schools, hospitals, jobs, stores, our welfare system...They get free housing, medical care, dental care, food, tax refunds... They are filling our jails, hospitals, schools, cities, states....They DUI in their beater vehicles and kill Americans. We've had enough. Tancredo is the only one with the b@lls to say/do anything about it.

And TB!

Saying that we should close the border to keep Muslim terrorists out implies that they can not get in legally, which, historically, we know they can do. So really, his solution is to stop letting anyone in altogether. It really is a video born of ignorance that tries to drum up support using fear.

Also, I'm going to ignore the fact that you guys are talking about closing the border with fences, which means you're talking about the Mexican/US border, and last time I checked not many Muslims were coming in through Mexico.

Terrorists and other sordid criminal aliens are entering through the wide-open borders. I support a complete stop of all immigration, arrest/deportation of all criminal aliens, total border closure, and trying to fix the 50 million parasite problem we have here. :(

The video is truth. Terrorists are entering here and plotting more attacks on us. We want them gone.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/003923.php

Border patrol agents picked up 77 Middle Eastern males in one month in June 2004 trying to cross into the US through Mexico:

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/04/radical-islam-and-southern-border.html

There are hundreds more stories and thousands of criminal aliens coming here daily--including terrorists. :(

:eek::eek::eek: why dont they do something now!!!?!?!

:eek::eek::eek: why dont they do something now!!!?!?!

I just don't get it why real American Patriots don't voluntarily man the border and defend the Nation.

it's God's will

We tried. When we tried to protect the border and arrest invaders, we were arrested, imprisoned, and sued for violating their "rights." It sucks. :(

How did they arrest invaders? Were they police patriots?

We tried. When we tried to protect the border and arrest invaders, we were arrested, imprisoned, and sued for violating their "rights." It sucks. :(

oh...i didn't know that.

my apologies for assuming American Patriots had shunned their Duty.

How did they arrest invaders? Were they police patriots?

Minutemen held/detained invaders who complained/sued/and won. Some of the Minutemen are still in jail while the criminal aliens are living free in the USA. It really sucks. :(

I'm sorry, but whats a Minutemen?

"National Citizens Neighborhood Watch - Securing the American Border"

http://www.minutemanproject.com/newsmanager/templates/mmp.asp?articleid=228&zoneid=1

Let's support a man who wants to bomb Mecca in retaliation for a car bomb attack.

I support a complete stop of all immigration, arrest/deportation of all criminal aliens, total border closure, and trying to fix the 50 million parasite problem we have here.

Why stop there? Why not stop importing all goods from abroad, and stop exporting our goods? Why are other nations products and money good enough but their people are not?

LEGAL immigrants were welcome. ILLEGAL immigrants (criminal aliens) are not.
We don't want anymore. We have enough.

Let's support a man who wants to bomb Mecca in retaliation for a car bomb attack.

You said it. Thank goodness his campaign's dead in the water, I'd be worried if he had more support.

Why bother waiting for the car bomb.

/pant

LEGAL immigrants were welcome. ILLEGAL immigrants (criminal aliens) are not.
We don't want anymore. We have enough.

"All immigration" implies just that. The word immigration should not have a negative connotation, it is the act of lawfully entering another country, so there is no such thing as 'legal immigration', there is immigration and there is illegal immigration. If you really did mean that you just wanted to stop illegal immigration, who is fighting with you? No one wants illegal immigration, obviously everyone would prefer to have immigrants come over legally. The issue is not whether we should allow illegal immigration to occur, it is how we treat those that do come over illegally and how to discourage illegal immigration. Saying we should build a wall is ridiculously unrealistic on an unimaginable scale, I don't actually believe you think that that is a viable solution. And once the wall is built, what about the even larger amount of US coastline? Sandcastle walls maybe?

I want to stop all immigration. We have more than enough people here. :(

Democrats support criminal aliens because they see them as potential voters. :(

Even legal immigration?

Yep. All immigration. No more. We have enough.

Yep. All immigration. No more. We have enough.

Well if you're going to flip-flop once again, I return to my original question when you first posted this ridiculous statement: what about the products, services, and money that other countries are providing us? Are they still good enough? Like it or not, the US economy is deeply involved with, and in some cases actually depends on, many other countries around the world, and that includes the people from those countries, so how can you stop at immigrants?

We have enough immigrants. We don't want or need anymore. The criminal aliens have ruined it for everyone.

Yes, so you've said, however, I don't suppose you want to actually address my question instead of just repeating the same statements hoping we'll get confused and take them for fact?

I'm not talking about products and services. I'm talking about immigrants.

I'm not talking about products and services. I'm talking about immigrants.

Well, you're obviously not stupid so I'm assuming that the reason that you're refusing to address my response is not that you don't understand what I am saying but that you just don't feel like responding, so I'll change the question:

What about skilled workers? Example: let's say there is a nuclear scientist who is working in Russia and wants to immigrate to the USA. Now, do we refuse him entry like we are refusing all immigrants and leave him working for another country? What about doctors? What about entrepreneurs who want to employ Americans?

Yes, many people in other countries see America as a better place for them and then naturally want to immigrate there, any way they can. The positive side of this is the many many skilled workers also see the opportunities in America and also want to immigrate here. So do we refuse them too?

NO. No more immigrants. Not of any kind. If we need more scientists then we need to create luring options for Americans.

I especially don't want ANY scientists from Russia. Russia is NOT to be trusted. :(

So because Russia is 'not to be trusted', you would rather have highly trained nuclear scientists working for them rather than us? That just doesn't make sense to me.

It sure as hell isn't 50 million. Every time Sandy posts the number goes up.

How about an estimate on "closing" the border? Do you have any idea of the cost? How do you pay for it, increase taxes? Repuglicons won't do that.

NO. No more immigrants.

Varda will not be happy!!

NO. No more immigrants. Not of any kind. If we need more scientists then we need to create luring options for Americans.

I especially don't want ANY scientists from Russia. Russia is NOT to be trusted. :(

I know a Lithuanian scientist who is quite accomplished in his field, has lived in the states for some time now, and has contributed to the local economy with his work. Time to get out of your guarded playpen and see the real world.

More National Guard, more Minutemen, fences, walls, armed citizens, landmines, alligators, whatever it takes. The border is a disaster. :(

aligators wouldn't survive in the rio grand

We have enough immigrants. We don't want or need anymore. The criminal aliens have ruined it for everyone.

Who do you keep referring to with the "we"? The percentage of people who want to stop legal immigration is incredibly tiny.

The rest of the country wants the immigrants, it's the illegal ones we have a problem with.

There are at least 20 million in CA so I know the 50 million is probably closer to reality.

There are at least 20 million in CA so I know the 50 million is probably closer to reality.

how about providing a link instead of just spouting off numbers? that would be nice

thanks toots

-shichi

Yes, we need to close our borders. Lincoln made a big mistake by not digging a moat around the Confederacy and installing machine gun turrets every few hundred yards. Rednecks have been pouring into the United States for 140 years and there are some states where they have completely taken over. During my own lifetime, they've even managed to get five of their own kind into the White House. There's one there now who may very well destroy this country. This isn't even America any more. The values we stand for have been obliterated. It's time to halt this flow of people who don't even think of themselves as Americans, who still call us Damnyankees, who still fly their own flag, who would still keep slaves if we let them. People who actually did make war on us!

Yes indeed. I think I'm going to print a new bumper sticker and sell it to all loyal Americans:

Keep the Mexicans -- deport the Rednecks to Alabama.
Better food, better music, hotter chicks -- and they work harder!

And... They know how to pronounce "nuclear"!

Yup. Time to close that border.

Better food? If you don't mind reeking of onions and peppers.
Hotter chicks? Most of the ones I see are overweight.

Rednecks are legal citizens despite their weirdness.

http://boortz.com/more/funny/redneck_pics.html

There are at least 20 million in CA so I know the 50 million is probably closer to reality.

Every time you inflate the numbers of illegal immigrants you make the case for getting rid of them so much more absurd. Do you have any idea what would happen to the US economy if you removed 30 million workers from the economy?!? (I'll be generous and say only 3/5ths are employed.)

There are at least 20 million in CA so I know the 50 million is probably closer to reality.

Ok, first of all, California only has a population of 38 million people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California#Population) so I seriously doubt that over half of California's population are illegal immigrants.

Again, you seem to think that if you just repeat your arguments they will magically become true. Most estimates put the number of illegal aliens in the US in 2007 closer to 13 million. Where are you getting your figures from?

My travels. My reading. Most places I travel I see at least 1/2 of the people appear to be Hispanic. I doubt they are all legal. :(

CPS says there could be 38 milliion.

Californians for Population Stabilization :

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/mason/5189638.html

The government isn't going to release correct numbers. There would be a revolt. Americans are p!ssed off enough as it is. The gov doesn't want us to have a meltdown. :rolleyes:

There is no way to count them. They hide like roaches. They do not get counted in the census. :mad:

Well gee, I definitely think that we should trust the numbers of an organization that wants to limit population over the government which apparently is so efficient that it could 'hide' numbers for the public. We are talking about the same government right? This isn't Men In Black where the government keeps things from the people in order to protect them from themselves, doesn't happen.

If you'd rather look at the numbers of an independent organization then look at the Federation for America Immigration Reform who say the government may be off, but still put that number at 13 million as opposed to the 12 million the gov says. And by the way they are not getting their numbers from the census, no one would expect illegal aliens to sign themselves up on the census. You don't think that there are other ways of telling how many people live in a place besides actually going around with a clipboard do you?

..... This isn't Men In Black where the government keeps things from the people in order to protect them from themselves, doesn't happen.

You're joking, right? :confused:

Calling illegal immigrants roaches is racist. :mad: Consider this a warning.

Calling illegal immigrants roaches is racist. :mad: Consider this a warning.

What? "Illegal immigrants" is not a protected class. "Hispanics" is a protected class.:confused:

You're joking, right? :confused:

Not at all, and do you really think George Bush would hide a figure like that for the public good? His administration can't even keep the identities of CIA agents secrets what chance would higher immigration numbers have? He would be flaunting those numbers. I mean, I could see how you could think the number was slightly higher, but over double? I don't think so.

With all due respect Sandy, you speak about Hispanics as if they are all illegal aliens and the way you talk about them is actually quite disgusting.

No, I don't. I have NO problems with Hispanics or anyone else of ANY race as long as they are here LEGALLY. It's the criminal alien POS that I'm fed up with. :mad:

You eat the food they pick.

You eat the food they pick.

Irrelevant. Just because something happens and one person benefits, doesn't validate that bad behavior. The fact is, it's next to impossible to eat ANY food in this country that hasn't had the hands of an illegal on it. That fact should increase our demand for stronger policing of immigration not relaxing it.

How is it that there is even a debate about this?! When a person is here ILLEGALLY they are breaking the laws of this country. By default, I would think it sound common sense that the USA should have impermeable borders sans a visa and should heartily enforce its laws when they are broken, especially when the broken laws shoot right at the heart of national security.

~String

the vote for me or you will be nuked platform has been tried before. it doesn't work

By default, I would think it sound common sense that the USA should have impermeable borders sans a visa and should heartily enforce its laws when they are broken, especially when the broken laws shoot right at the heart of national security.

Well I agree, obviously, that more needs to be done to enforce the border; however, how do you propose to do that? As I brought up earlier in this thread, in order to have 'impermeable' borders, you would also have to secure the coastline. More importantly, how would we fund it?

Irrelevant. Just because something happens and one person benefits, doesn't validate that bad behavior. The fact is, it's next to impossible to eat ANY food in this country that hasn't had the hands of an illegal on it. That fact should increase our demand for stronger policing of immigration not relaxing it.

How is it that there is even a debate about this?! When a person is here ILLEGALLY they are breaking the laws of this country. By default, I would think it sound common sense that the USA should have impermeable borders sans a visa and should heartily enforce its laws when they are broken, especially when the broken laws shoot right at the heart of national security.

~String

My point is that the illegals have been made an integral part of our economy. Get rid of them, at great expense, and our economy may not be able to handle it.

We'll handle it just fine. Kids will take the jobs the criminal aliens have so many of. Our construction guys can then get their fair pay instead of being underbid by criminal alien job-stealers. Our truckers can get a fair wage again, too. The legal immigrants will do what they came here to do: work the fields.

A day without criminal aliens. I can just imagine it now. :bravo: :yay:

What about the expense? We are already in massive debt due to the Iraq war.

Borrow.

Better food? If you don't mind reeking of onions and peppers.
I love onions and peppers.

I love onions and peppers.

don't forget the stink of oranges.

We'll handle it just fine. Kids will take the jobs the criminal aliens have so many of.

Yes the perfect answer to the problem--reinstitute child labor. You should also be willing to take a 2ns job cleaning hotel rooms or picking oranges on your days off.

The legal immigrants will do what they came here to do: work the fields.

I would just like to point out how offensive this statement is. Since when are all legal immigrants coming over to "work the fields"? Not only are you are making a sweeping generalization, but you're making one that is, by its very nature, discriminatory. How can you imply that the majority of immigrants to the country are poor and unskilled workers?

Going back to this statement

NO. No more immigrants. Not of any kind. If we need more scientists then we need to create luring options for Americans.

How is that supposed to happen? The scientific community in the USA always relied on a steady supply of foreign scientists. Just to give some numbers (that I already posted elsewhere), 2001 a whooping 50% of all postdocs and 25% of all scientific staff (including professors) are of foreign citizenship. And the trend was increasing. I really wonder where to get so many US-scientists to fulfill the gap if non foreign scientists were invited anymore.
Also quite a number of US-scientists were recent immigrants (would have to search for numbers though) that have adopted US citizenship after getting tenure, for instance.

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/6311/mexboarderjumpingteamfpx6.jpg

Going back to this statement



How is that supposed to happen? The scientific community in the USA always relied on a steady supply of foreign scientists. Just to give some numbers (that I already posted elsewhere), 2001 a whooping 50% of all postdocs and 25% of all scientific staff (including professors) are of foreign citizenship. And the trend was increasing. I really wonder where to get so many US-scientists to fulfill the gap if non foreign scientists were invited anymore.
Also quite a number of US-scientists were recent immigrants (would have to search for numbers though) that have adopted US citizenship after getting tenure, for instance.

And they came to the United states legally, with proper documentation, and clearances, what we are talking about is illegal aliens, who don't have any documentation, who steal from our wage scale, flood our hospitals, suck up our education resources, commit numerous crimes, and clog our courts and prisons.

There is a difference, I have no problem with any immigrant who goes through the proper paper work, has the proper health checks, and does it legally, I have many friends who came from foreign countries legally, we have a great time, I learn from them how to cook their national dish's, that is one of my delights in life, learning about the different things, foods, cultures, games, and just hanging out with people who provide a different point of life.

So lets differentiate between the Legal and the Illegal.

How is it that there is even a debate about this?! When a person is here ILLEGALLY they are breaking the laws of this country.

There are a few reasons to have a debate about this:

(1) Entry laws are bizarre, even racist
(2) Illegal or not, they're still entitled to due process, and we can only throw out so much of due process while still calling it due process
(3) Our economy—our very society—actually needs them.

The better thing to do would be to straighten out the immigration process, take down the employers who depend on illegal labor, and find a better way to get people on the record than throwing out everything good about due process and justice in America.

That last, I admit, is going to be the toughest.

So lets differentiate between the Legal and the Illegal.

I was only referring to legal immigration, specificially of scientists because Sandy proposed that no immigration at all should occur:

I want to stop all immigration. We have more than enough people here.

and

NO. No more immigrants. Not of any kind. If we need more scientists then we need to create luring options for Americans.

I especially don't want ANY scientists from Russia. Russia is NOT to be trusted.

I argue that even with more incentives the USA will not be able to sustain its need for scientists from its own populace.