So ladies, time to vote on catcalling, do you like it or not? Is it a compliment on your shape, dress,etc or is it an objectification of you?

Here is the article:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/personal/05/14/lw.catcalls/index.html

"Women take both sides

As the weather warms each spring, women -- especially in cities with active sidewalk traffic -- once again face catcalls from men. It's a situation some find unnerving and an invasion of their space, while others ignore it or are even flattered by it.

"I call it street abuse," said New York filmmaker Maggie Hadleigh-West, 49. "It's unwanted attention and invasion of space."

"On the other hand, some women appreciate the attention in certain cases, like Jessica, a 31-year-old health-care educator in Los Angeles who declined to use her last name to protect her privacy.

"Yeah, it's objectifying and all, but you know, if I walked down the street and didn't have men looking me up and down and catcalling, I'd think, 'Boy, I must really be getting old and dumpy,' " she said.

i don't hate it, and i don't like it, i just blush, i go bright red,

i just walk on by with my head down looking at my feet!

I guess it is a compliment. But just like Lucy said, I just get embarrassed, look away
and keep walking while blushing.

I think we have to look at a basic difference, albeit generalized.

Traditionally, women have been viewed as, or expected to be, less promiscuous than men. So even though many men would consider them poorly if they were promiscuous, still the women endure the catcalling and crudity on a regular basis.

Men, on the other hand, are generally praised for their promiscuity.

I make this note because most of the men I know, if catcalled by a woman, would be proud, or even aroused.

So let us then recall the number of heterosexual men who would claim to beat the hell out of any gay man that made the mistake of hitting on them.

I'm of the opinion that if you simply cannot restrain yourself from complimenting a woman, if your life experience is incomplete or your day ruined without hitting on someone, you ought to do it in a respectful manner. Even then, it won't always be appreciated. Not everybody wants to be part of your sex life.

So to turn to our topic poster: Syz, if some lecherous, lisping old guy looked you up and down and told you that you looked delicious ...? Well, maybe it would excite you, but not everyone would share your response.

Why is it creepy?

Whistling at is not raping.

Women who find it creepy should grow some skin and stop whining about how all men are creepy bastards who want to sexually violate them.

Whistling at is not raping.

Women who find it creepy should grow some skin and stop whining about how all men are creepy bastards who want to sexually violate them.

Now that is a hell of an answer. I confess I am awestruck at its simplification and depravity.

Why are you awestruck?

Why is it creepy?

Whistling at is not raping.

Women who find it creepy should grow some skin and stop whining about how all men are creepy bastards who want to sexually violate them.

Why is it creepy?

Ah geez, I guess there's nothing creepy about a bunch of men screaming at you about your "tits", "cunt", "mouth around my pole", etc, about how you give them a "hard on" because of the way you look, walk, etc. No, not creepy at all.:rolleyes:

I wonder how half of them would feel if their mother, wife, sister or daughter had to cop that on a daily basis from a bunch of strangers as they walked to and from work or school. I've seen some do it to 12 and 13 year old school girls.

And sometimes, if you're unlucky enough, they come right up to you and walk along side you as they're screaming it out. They never touch though.

Nah, not creepy.:rolleyes:

Bells, what you just described isn't a typical catcall. It's sexual assault. Way to misrepresent an argument.

Bells, what you just described isn't a typical catcall. It's sexual assault. Way to misrepresent an argument.

Is it?

This is what women face on a daily basis on their way to work or school if they are unlucky enough to have to walk past a construction site (for example). But hey, as VI said, it's not rape so we should just grow some skin.

But yeah, what I described is much different to "hey nice tits/arse/legs/pussy/mouth made for my cock/and other nice 'compliments'".. Oh wait, not it's not. Yes there are some men who just whistle and then comment on how nice your boobs and arse are.. and really, it's a compliment when a complete leering stranger calls out that you've got nice bits..:rolleyes:

If you're really lucky, they'll be in their cars and the car will slow down and the windows will come down and then they'll lean out of their window, driving at the same pace that you happen to be walking, screaming out about your bits and how you turn them on. You're left either walking faster or walking into the first store or doorway out of concern/fear that they might just stop the damn car and get out.

And no Francois, what I described is not out of the norm. What I describe actually is the norm. Men don't simply whistle anymore. Apparently they think they can get their message across a lot better when they describe what they're feeling. It's meant to be a compliment to be told that your mouth is the perfect shape for a stranger's penis. Really. Tell me, would you consider it a compliment if you were told that? Yes? No?

"It's unwanted attention and invasion of space."
Agreed...and I'm a guy.

It pisses me off, big time. I give them the finger and tell them to fuck themselves. Anyone with those over-masculine traits has got issues. I know men feel the same when they're alone in a room full of women. I think if men want to wolf-whistle at a woman they have to be ready for whatever consequences their actions bring about. Usually when you don't respond with a coy little smile and walk away they can't handle it. Then you flip from being this piece of meat to the Whore of Babylon in an instant. Fucking ridiculous, if they weren't so pathetic It'd be funny.

If I think a girl is pretty I usually go up to her and tell her so in a friend;y manner...is that cat calling? i think thats just a compliment

That's flattering. Being a cock and acting like an animal with a gang of your mates is the problem. It's just common sense. In the same sense, a gang of jeering women thinking it's funny to try to humiliate a man is just as pathetic. It's not done to show people how attractive they are, it's done to say "Hey look at us, we are a group of less than below average intelligence people who like to act like animals".

's a compliment, innit. Any bird wot don't like it must be a fuckin' lesbian. *sniff*

Now what about if it is not a construction site (after all, just how gentlemen are the construction workers?) but just a whistle from the other side of street with a friendly wave and smile? let's throw in throwing a kiss too and I think any woman can be happy with that..

Then you flip from being this piece of meat to the Whore of Babylon in an instant.
Well said...the way 'some' men function like on/off switches.

but just a whistle from the other side of street with a friendly wave and smile? let's throw in throwing a kiss too and I think any woman can be happy with that..
Why...they dont even know each other???

Now what about if it is not a construction site (after all, just how gentlemen are the construction workers?) but just a whistle from the other side of street with a friendly wave and smile? let's throw in throwing a kiss too and I think any woman can be happy with that..

If he was doing it as a joke to play on the stereotype of men being sexist idiots then sure, that's funny, he might get a date. If he actually thinks that's a turn on he needs to be vomited on.

I would never treat a woman with any form of catcalling. That only shows disrespect and stupidity on my behalf if I were to do so.

It pisses me off, big time. I give them the finger and tell them to fuck themselves. Anyone with those over-masculine traits has got issues. I know men feel the same when they're alone in a room full of women. I think if men want to wolf-whistle at a woman they have to be ready for whatever consequences their actions bring about. Usually when you don't respond with a coy little smile and walk away they can't handle it. Then you flip from being this piece of meat to the Whore of Babylon in an instant. Fucking ridiculous, if they weren't so pathetic It'd be funny.

Yep. I had one get really abusive and run up to me and walked backward in front of me when he thought my headphones was masking his jeers and I told him his girly voice must not have registered over the music I was listening to. He became really offended and offensive when I asked him if he was trying to find his balls when he was grabbed his crotch (asking me if I wanted some of it).:)

Most of the time I would normally just ignore it. I only respond or reply if they come up to me. And I always make sure to respond loudly enough to make sure the asshat is humiliated and embarrassed in front of everyone in earshot.

The worst I ever got was when I was about 6 months pregnant with my first child and was going to meet my husband for lunch in town. One guy yelled out that his penis was so big, he'd make sure to blast my kid out and that he was kind enough to let me "ride on top".. for comfort and all. I just ignored him and walked on, took down the name of the construction company and what the guy looked like and then reported him to his bosses. At the time, most of the other guys on the site realised he'd gone too far and tried to tell him to shut up and apologised.. apparently they have standards and harassing pregnant women is going too far:rolleyes:.. It was beyond obscene.

Wow. That's a special kind of low that is. I have to point out most of the men I know have a brain and can think. They aren't confused about what's appropriate or not since, like I said, it's just common sense. I'd be really upset if that happened and I'm not sure I'd have acted as rationally as you. That bitch would have been wrapped in chicken wire and given a sailor's burial.

Wow. That's a special kind of low that is. I have to point out most of the men I know have a brain and can think. They aren't confused about what's appropriate or not since, like I said, it's just common sense. I'd be really upset if that happened and I'm not sure I'd have acted as rationally as you. That bitch would have been wrapped in chicken wire and given a sailor's burial.

There are some individuals who are that low. I used to face a barrage of constant comments when I worked in town. The day when I went to meet my husband to work.. well.. that was the worst I'd experienced to be honest. I arrived at my husband's office and was close to tears. I caught a cab home from lunch and a work friend of my husband's drove my car home so that I would not have to go near that site again. You report it, but nothing is really done, unless they touch you or try to grab you. And I mean I worked as a solicitor for the prosecutor's office and it was just one of those things that was ignored unless it became physical. I reported it, received profuse apologies from the main office of the contractors on the site, but I doubt it did anything because it is viewed as being one of those things.. Apparently some of these men think it is all in fun.. That day they knew that one guy had gone too far and tried to shut him up.. What they didn't seem to realise was that it shouldn't have happened at all. There is no reason to be like that in the first place.

I don't think they do it to compliment. It is their way to demean and embarrass the women they target. What they don't realise is that they are demeaning themselves more than the women.

I don't think they do it to compliment. It is their way to demean and embarrass the women they target. What they don't realise is that they are demeaning themselves more than the women.

I'd agree with that. A lot of people act like animals (even most animals conduct themselves better than that). I never get catcalls because I am a bloke but I have seen people act like that or got abuse from the same people. Every time I walk round the city centre or even my local area people never cease to amaze me how low they can get.

In much the same way as when a pack of screaming women try to humiliate men. It's not about trying to tell that person they find them attractive and wouldn't mind going out for a nice quiet meal and a bottle of Chinanti. I'm sure the guy who ran up behind me and grabbed my ass and tit didn't think to himself, "Hmm, I think this woman likes the forward approach". He got the shock of his life when I roared like a lion. Lol, I still remember him legging it away. I hope he didn't end up doing that to someone who wouldn't have fought to the death. If anyone tried it he'd walk away a she. Dogs are stronger than cats but a dog knows it's not a clever idea to get into a fight with a cat, eyes don't grow back that easily.

I wouldn't have avoided that building site, I'd have walked past there every day and looked right at him. Fuck letting that idiot humiliate me. I'd make sure he felt uneasy by holding my head high and walking past that animal, making sure he knew he hadn't done anything except bring it on. Heh.

Why are you awestruck?

Well, there's two parts to it. The one part part—

"Whistling at is not raping."

—is perplexing, but only if I let it be. It makes a fine punch line, but that's all it is. I'm not sure what the value of the point is either way. But, like I said, only if I let it be. It is easy enough to move onto the next, which is a simplification of rather grotesque proportion:

"Women who find it creepy should grow some skin and stop whining about how all men are creepy bastards who want to sexually violate them."

It is rather a curious generalization.

To work with two generalizations of slightly less ridiculous proportions, we might consider the feminists and the Christian prudes. You know, they're both generally myths. Certainly hypersensitive people like this exist, but they're both generally exploited well out of proportion to their real magnitude and influence.

But the feminists, as such, would be the ones worrying about how all the men are icky, creepy bastards who want to violate them.

The Christian prudes, to the other, just worry about the icky, creepy catcalling bastards, or criminal-looking bastards, or Mexican-looking bastards, or whatever, who want to violate them. In this case, it's not all men.

And then, of course, to invoke yet another silly generalization, there are the skanks and hussies who are offended because this or that man simply isn't good enough to treat them so poorly.

Even in generalizations, we've managed to show the problem of your generalization. Because I'm sure we could find more generalizations. White men, black men, fat men, hairy men, old men ... there's a bitch or a ho or a prude or a feminazi out there prone to whine about mere segments of the male population.

Grotesque, I tells ya.

Tessie:
Even then, it won't always be appreciated. Not everybody wants to be part of your sex life.
How is being whistled at or complimented an invitation to sex?

Women compliment each other all the time.

Lucifer's angel:

i just walk on by with my head down looking at my feet!
Wouldn't that mound of stretch-marked lard be blocking your view?

An aging mother like you should be buying the guy lunch for his mercy.

Mwaha...

Bells:
I don't think they do it to compliment. It is their way to demean and embarrass the women they target.
That's why they only do it in groups or in public.

He's a spineless worm and he'd know it all alone with you-- ever had one all alone?

I wouldn't so readily mislable attraction to beauty for abuse, though. I find Mozart's Requiem Mass achingly beautiful and am prompted to say so

Is this abuse?
So should a man feeling the same for a girl be abuse if he comments or whistles?

For that matter-

Tess:

Even in generalizations, we've managed to show the problem of your generalization. Because I'm sure we could find more generalizations. White men, black men, fat men, hairy men, old men ... there's a bitch or a ho or a prude or a feminazi out there prone to whine about mere segments of the male population."

Well, you want to act so superior to generalizations, you've smeared all 'cat calls' into a grand generalization of being an invitation to sex.

Oh?

I wouldn't so readily mislable attraction to beauty for abuse, though. I find Mozart's Requiem Mass achingly beautiful and am prompted to say so

Is this abuse?
So should a man feeling the same for a girl be abuse if he comments or whistles?
Do you grab your crotch, lick your lips and pinch your nipples at passing strangers when you feel prompted to express your admiration to Mozart's Requiem Mass?

No one is stating that attraction is akin to abuse when one makes that attraction publicly known. But there is a difference between proclaiming a stranger attractive and finding said stranger attractive and letting them know of this fact by grabbing one's genitals and asking them to "suck it down". One is abusive and the other is not.

I don't know if "creepy" should be the word used. Creepy to me is more like the guy who would feign disgust over the guys that cat-call, to spark up a conversation with a woman as part of a devious long-term plot to fuck her.
The alarming thing is women seem utterly unable to detect this kind of creepy, and maybe that's what makes it so spine chillingly creepy.

Catcalling is dumb, crass and offensive, but "creepy" to me requires a more sly sinister edge to it than that.
Cat calling is almost uber-not-creepy, it's the opposite of creepy really. Which doesn't make it good. Good would be normal, in the middle. Not creepily fake nice or a crass buffoon.

Why...they dont even know each other???

Every relationship has to start somewhere...

And no Francois, what I described is not out of the norm. What I describe actually is the norm. Men don't simply whistle anymore. Apparently they think they can get their message across a lot better when they describe what they're feeling. It's meant to be a compliment to be told that your mouth is the perfect shape for a stranger's penis. Really. Tell me, would you consider it a compliment if you were told that? Yes? No?

Bells, implying "nice tits! ass! cooch! Your mouth was meant for my pole" is quite a bit different from explicitly saying it. From what you're saying it sounds like men literally walk up to you and say "Hello Bells, it's my best bet that you have a tasty vagina. I would like to insert my penis in between your breasts and..." You're equating something like that to a simple whistle. Well, it's not the same. It's crazy the kinds of sexual implications you hear on television, but if they actually made those innuendos explicit, it would be porn--not something that can be aired on TV. All I'm saying is that the two are not the same and that you're incredibly wrong.

Bells, implying "nice tits! ass! cooch! Your mouth was meant for my pole" is quite a bit different from explicitly saying it. From what you're saying it sounds like men literally walk up to you and say "Hello Bells, it's my best bet that you have a tasty vagina. I would like to insert my penis in between your breasts and..." You're equating something like that to a simple whistle. Well, it's not the same. It's crazy the kinds of sexual implications you hear on television, but if they actually made those innuendos explicit, it would be porn--not something that can be aired on TV. All I'm saying is that the two are not the same and that you're incredibly wrong.

There is a simple wolf whistle and then there is cat calling and people who feel the need to articulate their feelings in a manner that can only be classified as being obscene, rude and crude. I believe this discussion is dealing with the catcalling. Keep up Francois.

So you have no problems with someone whistling at you? Isn't whistling cat calling? I still somewhat doubt that there are a lot of men who say "Nice vag! I'd like to rug my penis in your places!" Where do you live?

So you have no problems with someone whistling at you? Isn't whistling cat calling? I still somewhat doubt that there are a lot of men who say "Nice vag! I'd like to rug my penis in your places!" Where do you live?

I have been whistled, waved, at. No kidding where are these men who say that stuff? I have NEVER heard anything like that, or heard any stories from friends anywhere close to what Bells is describing. :rolleyes:

Its objectification, pure and simple. However, unless it happens in an in my face way, I rarely acknowledge it. I don't get embarassed or blush or anything. I just ignore it.

Women can be stupid too. If men whistle or wave they will get all pissed off.
But if no man ever noticed them, they aren't happy with that either.

Personally, If I go by a construction site and get some whistles and waves, I take it
as a compliment. Don't tell me women don't like to feel attractive and get an ego boost once in a while. It is bullshit!! Women don't get dressed up nice and put on makeup, do their hair...to go unnoticed.

I dress to please myself, or on occasion people who I care about. Some random guy getting an erection on my behalf is not an issue I ever address or even remotely care about. If a construction worker never waved or whistled at me, I would not notice the difference.
Do you grab your crotch, lick your lips and pinch your nipples at passing strangers when you feel prompted to express your admiration to Mozart's Requiem Mass?

No one is stating that attraction is akin to abuse when one makes that attraction publicly known. But there is a difference between proclaiming a stranger attractive and finding said stranger attractive and letting them know of this fact by grabbing one's genitals and asking them to "suck it down". One is abusive and the other is not.

My sentiments exactly, its crass and offensive.

Some random guy getting an erection on my behalf

hahahaha brilliant!

If a construction worker never waved or whistled at me, I would not notice the difference.
My sentiments exactly, its crass and offensive.

What?

What?

If its in my face, I could hardly not notice it. Like the time I was in a train and a guy unzipped his trousers and showed me his dick. Same thing happened once in a dorm. And in a computer lab. Geez.

SAM must think she is so hot that every man that looks over or whistles, must be getting a massive boner. :rolleyes:

SAM must think she is so hot that every man that looks over or whistles, must be getting a massive boner. :rolleyes:

No, I wait until I actually see one. Thats convincing enough for me. :D

Some guys actually get turned on at being ignored, maybe someone here can explain it.

And its nothing to do with being hot. Drunk guys are the worst cat callers and I doubt their ability to tell the difference.

If its in my face, I could hardly not notice it. Like the time I was in a train and a guy unzipped his trousers and showed me his dick. Same thing happened once in a dorm. And in a computer lab. Geez.

That's not... cat calling. And hence it is out of the scope of this thread.

That's not... cat calling. And hence it is out of the scope of this thread.

Its what I call an in my face cat call. Sticks and stones etc.

Its what I call an in my face cat call. Sticks and stones etc.

Good for you. What your'e talking about is sexual assault--is the title of this thread "Sexual assault -- creepy or a compliment"?

Good for you. What your'e talking about is sexual assault--is the title of this thread "Sexual assault -- creepy or a compliment"?

Hmm I do not consider showing your dick as "assualt"

n. Conduct of a sexual or indecent nature toward another person that is accompanied by actual or threatened physical force or that induces fear, shame, or mental suffering.

It's a pretty catching word.

Does an inappropriate sense of humor classify as suffering? :D

Its crass and offensive, but its clearly not me who is suffering.

But yeah, I tend not to be able to figure out when I am being sexually harassed, so I'll concede someone else might suffer. I tend to just look at the guy and say, is that all? Where's the rest? or some such

Alright, good to know that whistling and the flashing of genitalia fit under the same category in your mind. I guess nothing else needs to be said here.

Well, there's two parts to it. The one part part—

"Whistling at is not raping."

—is perplexing, but only if I let it be. It makes a fine punch line, but that's all it is. I'm not sure what the value of the point is either way. But, like I said, only if I let it be. It is easy enough to move onto the next, which is a simplification of rather grotesque proportion:

"Women who find it creepy should grow some skin and stop whining about how all men are creepy bastards who want to sexually violate them."

It is rather a curious generalization.

To work with two generalizations of slightly less ridiculous proportions, we might consider the feminists and the Christian prudes. You know, they're both generally myths. Certainly hypersensitive people like this exist, but they're both generally exploited well out of proportion to their real magnitude and influence.

But the feminists, as such, would be the ones worrying about how all the men are icky, creepy bastards who want to violate them.

The Christian prudes, to the other, just worry about the icky, creepy catcalling bastards, or criminal-looking bastards, or Mexican-looking bastards, or whatever, who want to violate them. In this case, it's not all men.

And then, of course, to invoke yet another silly generalization, there are the skanks and hussies who are offended because this or that man simply isn't good enough to treat them so poorly.

Even in generalizations, we've managed to show the problem of your generalization. Because I'm sure we could find more generalizations. White men, black men, fat men, hairy men, old men ... there's a bitch or a ho or a prude or a feminazi out there prone to whine about mere segments of the male population.

Grotesque, I tells ya.

I admit that was a bit of an oversimplification. I just get a little sick of the idea of women as poor little victims who get objectified.

Alright, good to know that whistling and the flashing of genitalia fit under the same category in your mind. I guess nothing else needs to be said here.

Whistling is not the only way that cat calls happen. Loud cries are also used as an attention getter, accompanied by grabbing the crotch, making smacking sounds with lips, lifting the Tshirt to show manboobs and pinching nipples. Its a continuum and all of them are crass. None of them say to me, wow, thats a guy I want to get to know.

Not equally crass. And again with you women. Where, where, where do you live?! What men actually grab their crotches and do all of the things you're talking about? I'm sure it happens sometimes in some places of the world, but in a regular US city? Nah. At most it's like "You're beautiful, honey!" Or a whistle. Yeah, I know, boo hoo.

If I get a flirty look or a double dam (as in daaay uuummm) then I preen. I do stand a bit taller and smile. Its a compliment. I smile A LOT and I get a lot of smiles back.

I've never had any of the other kind of cat calls. I don't know if its how I carry myself or the men I've been around. Attitude and first impressions count.

Crude remarks aren't objectifying any more than saying "you look nice in that dress" They are both looking and making a judgement. One is nice the other is being an ass. If a woman gets crude remarks a lot, maybe she should wonder if she dresses like a skank?

Not equally crass. And again with you women. Where, where, where do you live?! What men actually grab their crotches and do all of the things you're talking about? I'm sure it happens sometimes in some places of the world, but in a regular US city? Nah. At most it's like "You're beautiful, honey!" Or a whistle. Yeah, I know, boo hoo.

How about public transport, college campus, busy streets, bars, public events (like balls and dances), airports (once at JFK once at O'Hare)
If I get a flirty look or a double dam (as in daaay uuummm) then I preen. I do stand a bit taller and smile. Its a compliment. I smile A LOT and I get a lot of smiles back.

I've never had any of the other kind of cat calls. I don't know if its how I carry myself or the men I've been around. Attitude and first impressions count.

Crude remarks aren't objectifying any more than saying "you look nice in that dress" They are both looking and making a judgement. One is nice the other is being an ass. If a woman gets crude remarks a lot, maybe she should wonder if she dresses like a skank?

No I don't dress like a skank. And mostly I'm lost in my own world, I pay very little attention to my surroundings, usually someone with me has to tell me that some guy is behaving like a dipshit.

That was a pretty good post, Orleander.

How about public transport, college campus, busy streets, bars, public events (like balls and dances), airports (once at JFK once at O'Hare)


No I don't dress like a skank. And mostly I'm lost in my own world, I pay very little attention to my surroundings, usually someone with me has to tell me that some guy is behaving like a dipshit.

that's why I said A LOT. I'm sure every woman has heard it from time to time but when you hear it A LOT.....:shrug:

that's why I said A LOT. I'm sure every woman has heard it from time to time but when you hear it A LOT.....:shrug:

Since I rarely catch it anyways, I wouldn't know how often I hear it. I'm one of those people who cannot show even a bit of cleavage without getting some attention.:shrug:

Oh, I get attention. Just not crude rude attention. I think most (not all) men can tell class from trash.

Oh, I get attention. Just not crude rude attention. I think most (not all) men can tell class from trash.

Do you think so? Maybe I come off as trashy then. I don't hang out on the docks. :p

Do you think so? Maybe I come off as trashy then. I don't hang out on the docks. :p

No, you just keep circling Baron Max's house. ;)

No, you just keep circling Baron Max's house. ;)

Heh. I find money or education a poor indicator of what a man will do when he thinks no one is watching anyway.

I can't actually think of a reason it would be anything but positive.

Well I for one would hate to live in a neighborhood where it was considered acceptable behaviour, its the kind of thing I normally associate with uncouthness, when directed at a stranger. It would creep me out on a regular basis.

Women shouldn't dress like sex-hungry sluts if they can't stand the cat-calls from ball-scratchin', joint-blazin' construction workers.

Know what's interesting? Never in my life have I seen a conservatively dressed woman, no matter how good looking, the target of these calls and whistles. However, the instant somebody with a short skirt walks along, people start making these cat-calls.

Moral of the story? If you don't want to be treated like a slut, then don't dress like one.

Women who have a healthy sex drive love it.

Women shouldn't dress like sex-hungry sluts if they can't stand the cat-calls from ball-scratchin', joint-blazin' construction workers.

Know what's interesting? Never in my life have I seen a conservatively dressed woman, no matter how good looking, the target of these calls and whistles. However, the instant somebody with a short skirt walks along, people start making these cat-calls.

Moral of the story? If you don't want to be treated like a slut, then don't dress like one.

So anyone who does not cover up is a slut? Ha!

So anyone who does not cover up is a slut? Ha!

My point is, women who dress conservatively (interpret that however you like) do not get this type of treatment.

My other point is, if you're a woman who dresses like a slut and complains about this treatment, then you're a hypocritical bitch and deserve whatever harassment you get from sleazy guys.

My point is, women who dress conservatively (interpret that however you like) do not get this type of treatment.



Yes they do. Do you honestly believe that women who cover up do not get teased? I wore an abaya for almost 5 years ffs :bugeye:

Yes they do. Do you honestly believe that women who cover up do not get teased? I wore an abaya for almost 5 years ffs :bugeye:

I don't know how things work in India, but for the rest of the world, women who dress conservatively don't have to put up with this type of sexual harassment (not "teasing", as you cleverly referred to it as).

Look, I see it done all the time (usually first-hand, I might add). Some of my friends (not close friends, more like "hey, what's up?" friends) do this stuff constantly. Every time, I just laugh and look away in embarrassment, although I do notice that every woman who is a target of their calls dress similarly - short skirts, tank tops, etc.

Make of it what you will.

I don't know how things work in India, but for the rest of the world, women who dress conservatively don't have to put up with this type of sexual harassment (not "teasing", as you cleverly referred to it as).

Look, I see it done all the time (usually first-hand, I might add). Some of my friends (not close friends, more like "hey, what's up?" friends) do this stuff constantly. Every time, I just laugh and look away in embarrassment, although I do notice that every woman who is a target of their calls dress similarly - short skirts, tank tops, etc.

Make of it what you will.

Load of BS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqhxNMIGum0

Men who think it is okay to target women with their proclivities are just so much dick.

Load of BS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqhxNMIGum0

Men who think it is okay to target women with their proclivities are just so much dick.

That doesn't happen in Canada. Women that dress like that if they are "teased". It is done in a jokingly manner because of how they are dressed compared to the norm here.

I mean this isn't CAT CALLING.... You and Bells always have to take everything to the extreme.

That doesn't happen in Canada. Women that dress like that if they are "teased". It is done in a jokingly manner because of how they are dressed compared to the norm here.

I mean this isn't CAT CALLING.... You and Bells always have to take everything to the extreme.

Its definitely cat calling, they are calling out how good looking they think the women look. And its not something thats restricted to Saudi Arabia, its just an example that the way you dress has nothing to do with it. The guy who whistled at me to get my attention and then flashed his dick in JFK was not too far from the morons in the video above. I bet the rate is not that different in Canada either. All three men who showed me their dicks were Caucasians.

Yeah and they were probably laughing their asses off after they did it. You don't think you may have been the victim of a JOKE??? Because I can tell you in Canada, you would be if you were running around dressed like that.

All three men who showed me their dicks were Caucasians.

Talk about non-sequiturs.

The guy who whistled at me to get my attention and then flashed his dick in JFK was not too far from the morons in the video above.
Ha, that's actually pretty funny. Not many people just pull out their dicks in public....especially together in a group.

All in all, if someone cat-called me I would take it as a compliment.

God the way SAM and BELLS talk it isn't safe for women to even step outside anymore. :rolleyes:

Yeah and they were probably laughing their asses off after they did it. You don't think you may have been the victim of a JOKE??? Because I can tell you in Canada, you would be.

Well I'm used to seeing naked men in India ("http://jabalo.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/IMG_4494_resized.jpg), its commonplace, not a joke, I guess I was just spoiled by the fact that men in business suits do not normally flash their dicks to unsuspecting women in public.

I guess I do not share your sense of humor.

God the way SAM and BELLS talk it isn't safe for women to even step outside anymore. :rolleyes:

Not at all, I usually travel by myself, since most of my trips are impromptu; a few dicks here and there do not bother me overmuch.

Thanks for usual disgusting images....:puke:

I never said it was MY sense of humour, but it is to some others. Listen I have heard
men say when they see a woman dressed, with only their eyes showing.

"It's a little early for Halloween Isn't it"

I think you may have been the brunt of a joke. Do you really think they were so turned on by your head to toe black outfit that they felt the need to pull their dicks out?????

Thanks for usual disgusting images....

I never said it was MY sense of humour, but it is to some others. Listen I have heard
men say when they see a woman dressed, with only their eyes showing.

"It's a little early for Halloween Isn't it"

I think you may have been the brunt of a joke. Do you really think they were so turned on by your head to toe black outfit that they felt the need to pull their dicks out?????

I only wore the head to toe black outfit in Saudi Arabia while travelling and apart from a few cat calls, no I was never harassed.

The dick pulling out stuff was when I was in my usual skirt or pants, chosen for travelling comfort and not sex appeal.

Oh well, I have NEVER experienced such displays by men.

I have been called out.....Hey Babe...Nice Ass....Whistled at...Beeped at by guys in cars...Had men follow me in stores checking me out.. etc

I can't say I was traumatized by any of it. It even gave me an ego boost sometimes, depending on the man.

I mean really, is it so upsetting that the opposite sex may find you attractive. They might not go about it the right sometimes, but if they don't grab, touch or yell obscenities what is the big deal.

Would you rather go through life, with not one man ever checking you out? I wouldn't.

Oh well........I have NEVER experienced such displays by men.

I have been called out.....Hey Babe...Nice Ass....Whistled at...Beeped at by guys in cars...Had men follow me in stores.....

I can't say I was traumatized by any of it. It even gave me an ego boost sometimes, depending on the man.

I mean really, is it so upsetting that the opposite sex may find you attractive. They might not go about it the right sometimes, but if they don't grab, touch or yell obscenities what is the big deal.

Would you rather go through life, with not one man ever checking you out? I wouldn't.

Well I wasn't brought up to have my self esteem dependent on what someone else thought of me so I do not have the same standards as you do. I could not, for instance, respect a guy who went around doing any of the above, to me that speaks of a lack of civility and self respect to be behaving in such a manner to strange women.

Why do I need to respect a guy who was checking me out?? I don't care about a stranger to think that long about them. It's not like I am going to date them or have a relationship with them so who cares.

You almost sound like you are Gay :eek:

Why do I need to respect a guy who was checking me out?? I don't care about a stranger to think that long about them. It's not like I am going to date them or have a relationship with them so who cares.

You almost sound like you are Gay :eek:

Of course, if I do not get a boost to my self esteem from strange men passing comments on my boobs and ass, I must be gay. :rolleyes:

And not being able to go through life without catcalls and whistles is a sign of heterosexual unambiguity. :p

Whistling is not the only way that cat calls happen. Loud cries are also used as an attention getter, accompanied by grabbing the crotch, making smacking sounds with lips
Smacking sounds with the lips? Are you sure you aren't talking about chimpanzees? I'm %100 with you if you are, they can be very rude and naughty.

I said would you like to go through life with not one man ever checking you out?
(nice twist on my words though)

Both men and women like to know they are desirable to the opposite sex. Women check out men too, they are just more subtle about it.

It's life FFS......

I said would you like to go through life with not one man ever checking you out?
(nice twist on my words though)

Both men and women like to know they are desirable to the opposite sex. Women check out men too, they are just more subtle about it.

It's life FFS......

So is rape but its not on my list either. :rolleyes:

Checking out is not the same as making catcalls. And I have no desire to be attractive to all and sundry.

So is rape but its not on my list either. :rolleyes:

Checking out is not the same as making catcalls. And I have no desire to be attractive to all and sundry.

Of course, bring up rape. Always take it to the extremes in any conversation.

You don't need to worry, not ALL will find you attractive out there. Be brave go out of the house....not every man will be all over you showing you his dick.:rolleyes:

Of course, bring up rape. Always take it to the extremes in any conversation.

You don't need to worry, not ALL will find you attractive out there. Be brave go out of the house....not every man will be all over you showing you his dick.:rolleyes:

Ha! Thanks for your concern. :D

Smacking sounds with the lips? Are you sure you aren't talking about chimpanzees? I'm %100 with you if you are, they can be very rude and naughty.

You know all about it huh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoDpYwqNjC0

I actually don't understand what's so offensive about a guy showing his dick. I get how guys confronting you and saying aggressively sexual things into your face could be a bit much, but a guy shows you his dick... I would see that as an ultimately submissive manuveur that at worst grades a "zero" on the pleasure meter, not "negative 4000" like women seem to act. No matter how gross a woman's vulva was, just say it's this grotesque meaty abomination with parts confusingly all over the place, if she just showed it to me on the street I think I'd have to be a little appreciative no matter what it looked like. I can't imagine being like "how dare you!", like your genitals aren't worthy of my precious eyes gazing upon them, seems bizarrely arrogant. Even not saying thank you would feel fairly rude.
Like I said, my feelings could only range from absolutely nothing to extremely positive. I don't see how it can go into the negative.

I actually don't understand what's so offensive about a guy showing his dick. I get how guys confronting you and saying aggressively sexual things into your face could be a bit much, but a guy shows you his dick... I would see that as an ultimately submissive manuveur that at worst grades a "zero" on the pleasure meter, not "negative 4000" like women seem to act. No matter how gross a woman's vulva was, just say it's this grotesque meaty abomination with parts confusingly all over the place, if she just showed it to me on the street I think I'd have to be a little appreciative no matter what it looked like. I can't imagine being like "how dare you!", like your genitals aren't worthy of my precious eyes gazing upon them, seems bizarrely arrogant. Even not saying thank you fairly rude.
Like I said, my feelings could only range from absolutely nothing to extremely positive. I don't see how it can go into the negative.

Depends on the timing, I suppose. When you're stumbling back half drunk from a party at 3 am and need urgently to take a pee, the last thing you want is some pathetic wimp flashing you his wiener.

Depends on the timing, I suppose. When you're stumbling back half drunk from a party at 3 am and need urgently to take a pee, the last thing you want is some pathetic wimp flashing you his wiener.

It's not the quantity of dick, it's quality.

The guy was probably drunk too. You can't blame him, at 3am they are desperate and will try and pick up anything.

Depends on the timing, I suppose. When you're stumbling back half drunk from a party at 3 am and need urgently to take a pee, the last thing you want is some pathetic wimp flashing you his wiener.

I see. You'd rather have sober eyes so you can better appreciate the sight.

Load of BS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqhxNMIGum0

I'm talking about normal countries here. Using the most backward, uncivilized nation on Earth as an example of your argument is not a good idea (especially considering the fact that all women are dressed the same there, meaning there is no way we can tell how the men would treat differently dressed women, laws permitting).

Men who think it is okay to target women with their proclivities are just so much dick.

I'm no fan of "cat-calling", and I probably would punch a guy in the face if they did it to my sister, for example. However, if you're going to dress without respect for yourself, then people are under no obligation to treat you with respect, either. Appearance means a lot, whether you like to admit it or not.

I actually don't understand what's so offensive about a guy showing his dick

And that, in the end, works for you. But the problem with your reasoning is that while you enjoy looking at sexually aggressive men's dicks, not everyone else does.

That you don't see how such things could be negative only reminds us of the limitations of your perspective.

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However, if you're going to dress without respect for yourself, then people are under no obligation to treat you with respect, either. Appearance means a lot, whether you like to admit it or not.

I disagree, Kadark. A woman in a burqa is still a human being, and thus deserves a modicum of human respect that includes the right to be free from constant sexual harassment.

I disagree, Kadark. A woman in a burqa is still a human being, and thus deserves a modicum of human respect that includes the right to be free from constant sexual harassment.

Hm?

I agree with what you just said. The guys in Sam's video were assholes, especially because they were physically aggressive, unlike regular horny, pussy-deprived pricks who make cheesy comments and laugh maniacally at their own jokes. Clearly, there is a difference between grabbing/humping a woman, and making a chauvinistic comment towards a woman because she was flaunting her ass towards your face, while taking gazelle strides in her low-cut, tantalizing skirt.

Clearly, there is a difference between grabbing/humping a woman, and making a chauvinistic comment towards a woman because she was flaunting her ass towards your face, while taking gazelle strides in her low-cut, tantalizing skirt.

Indeed, there is a difference. One is against the law. The other is just stupid. And where I'm from, while stupidity is not inherently illegal, neither is it something anyone is or should be obliged to appreciate.

Hm?

I agree with what you just said. The guys in Sam's video were assholes, especially because they were physically aggressive, unlike regular horny, pussy-deprived pricks who make cheesy comments and laugh maniacally at their own jokes. Clearly, there is a difference between grabbing/humping a woman, and making a chauvinistic comment towards a woman because she was flaunting her ass towards your face, while taking gazelle strides in her low-cut, tantalizing skirt.

Clearly one does not need to take gazelle strides in a low cut tantalising skirt to invite unwanted attention. One can be covered head to toe and some men will still act like turds. Without the unnecessary excuse of being drunk at 3 am to jusify it. Perhaps someone like shorty is more equipped to appreciate the quality of dick, whatever that is.

Clearly one does not need to take gazelle strides in a low cut tantalising skirt to invite unwanted attention. One can be covered head to toe and some men will still act like turds. Without the unnecessary excuse of being drunk at 3 am to jusify it.

The point is, the more revealing you dress, the more likely you are to be sexually harassed.

I think the women who get the attention are liking it and the women who do not...are like this gal here...

http://www.targetofopportunity.com/hooters_protest.jpg

(I know everyone seen it)

Wow. Thats like a rerun.

The point is, the more revealing you dress, the more likely you are to be sexually harassed.

Not true, sexual harassment is a power equation, it has very little to do with sex.

Not true, sexual harassment is a power equation, it has very little to do with sex.

Thats true. Dont know where people get that idea from.:eek:

Thats true. Dont know where people get that idea from.:eek:

Don't be silly, the wolf whistle and the catcall are attention seeking behaviours; a man who is comfortable with his sexuality and himself does not need validation from random women to feel more masculine.

Not true, sexual harassment is a power equation, it has very little to do with sex.

So are you saying that men will CAT CALL anything that is female? Regardless of what they look like??

They do it when they are covered head to foot. What more do you need?

They do it when they are covered head to foot. What more do you need?

Umm...I disagree with that...men only cat call women who got the goods...

So if you are a woman who is not getting the male signs of attention...you don't got the sexual appeal.

Umm...I disagree with that...men only cat call women who got the goods...

I agree.......

It's BS they call out any female that walks by.

Not true, sexual harassment is a power equation, it has very little to do with sex.

I doubt guys make catcalls toward girls to feel powerful. If you ask me, they do it because they think the girls are attractive (you know, considering it's only done to attractive women). Maybe I'm not thinking outside the box? This all seems pretty straight-forward to me.

Sam: Would you rather receive the odd catcall walking down the street, or constantly be ignored? Many women claim they hate catcalls and unsolicited attention until they're routinely ignored. A case of "any kind of attention is better than no attention"? I'm sure even somebody as independent and confident as yourself would fiend for that catcall after never warranting a second look from your average joe for long enough.

Because they do it to you? Hah! I've SEEN women covered head to toe get catcalls, you can see it yourself in the video. They are calling those girls "halawa" without ever having seen their face. They know the limits, lifting the veil of a strange woman is gross impertinence, so they won't cross that line, but that does not stop them from making suggestive moves and sounds.

I doubt guys make catcalls toward girls to feel powerful. If you ask me, they do it because they think the girls are attractive (you know, considering it's only done to attractive women). Maybe I'm not thinking outside the box? This all seems pretty straight-forward to me.

Sam: Would you rather receive the odd catcall walking down the street, or constantly be ignored? Many women claim they hate catcalls and unsolicited attention until they're routinely ignored. A case of "any kind of attention is better than no attention"? I'm sure even somebody as independent and confident as yourself would fiend for that catcall after never warranting a second look from your average joe for long enough.

I don't know why this is so hard to believe. A cultural difference? In India, catcalls and whistles are restricted to what we call roadside Romeos (http://www.vsubhash.com/die.asp?word=roadside%20Romeos), useless men with too much time on hand and not enough to do. Its not the mark of a respectable man.

Well men in Canada don't act like that. I have never in all my yrs seen that, heard of anyone that was done too, or had it done to me.

The men here might whistle, beep the horn, wink, wave......but it's all pretty innocent.

Whatever, I don't mind it. It happens on the odd occassion. You are making such a big deal out of nothing.

If someone grabbed me or touched me that is a different issue. But we are talking about simple cat calling.........not blocking a woman on the street and harrassing her. That is
WAYYYYYYYYYYYY over the line.

yes SAM...it begs a question...that perhaps you are just not getting the catcall signs...

Its a big deal in Indian society. Standing around whistling at women is not something that is considered acceptable. I'm curious, if you saw nietszche or your son doing it to other women/girls, would you consider it innocent?

I don't know why this is so hard to believe. A cultural difference? In India, catcalls and whistles are restricted to what we call roadside Romeos (http://www.vsubhash.com/die.asp?word=roadside%20Romeos), useless men with too much time on hand and not enough to do. Its not the mark of a respectable man.

Don't worry - I agree that it's not a respectful or decent gesture. It speaks volumes about the character of the man who partakes in such commentary. I'm simply trying to argue that it's not exactly "objectification" (at least, to the degree you and Bells describe it as), nor is it a compliment (to most women, I'm assuming).

Besides, what are you doing up so early? You'd better be praying fajr!

oh please SAM I been to Indian stores...they got movies and shows on tv were men wink and whistle at women while singing at the blazing beauties blush and it is all appropriate...indian men just dont whistle at non-hot girls

http://blogs.theasiannews.co.uk/asiannews/hey%20baby.jpg

It would piss me off because he shouldn't be whistling at other women as long as I am around. If he was single he could do what he wanted. He isn't the type though, too shy for that.

My son....hmmm He is still to young for that kind of thing. I don't know what he will do when I am not around and he is older. I won't be teaching him that it is appropriate behaviour. The way the girls seem to be so aggressive over here, they seem to be doing the chasing and the whistling.

The way the girls seem to be so aggressive over here, they seem to be doing the chasing and the whistling.

hahaa...its the same way here...that why I shy away from all the girls. I need a shy innocent type. :rolleyes:

It would piss me off because he shouldn't be whistling at other women as long as I am around. If he was single he could do what he wanted. He isn't the type though, too shy for that.

My son....hmmm He is still to young for that kind of thing. I don't know what he will do when I am not around and he is older. I won't be teaching him that it is appropriate behaviour. The way the girls seem to be so aggressive over here, they seem to be doing the chasing and the whistling.

Hmm so if you came upon nietzsche whistling and telling a girl about her great tits and ass and the girl blushed and smiled at the compliment, its not innocent, but when you blush and consider it a compliment, it is? Why can't he pay compliments to other girls?

oh please SAM I been to Indian stores...they got movies and shows on tv were men wink and whistle at women while singing at the blazing beauties blush and it is all appropriate...indian men just dont whistle at non-hot girls



You believe everything you see in the movies, huh?

See roadside Romeos (http://www.vsubhash.com/die.asp?word=roadside%20Romeos)

LOL it isn't even the same thing. In your scenario Nietz is chasing around another woman. If I walk down the street and a guy whistles at me, I am an innocent bystander.
I did not go out of my way to do anything innapropriate.

I blush because when someone gives me a compliment I usually blush regardless.

Aren't Indians too preoccupied with starving to partake in trivial nonsense like catcalling?

Let's be serious for a moment ...

shorty: You're Canadian, right? Have you ever had the misfortune of flipping accidentally to Vision TV, only to see horny Indian guys hitting on hot Indian girls in music videos? I sure have!

shorty: You're Canadian, right? Have you ever had the misfortune of flipping accidentally to Vision TV, only to see horny Indian guys hitting on hot Indian girls in music videos? I sure have!

geee man...:o...isn't there a better topic to talk about?

shorty: You're Canadian, right? Have you ever had the misfortune of flipping accidentally to Vision TV, only to see horny Indian guys hitting on hot Indian girls in music videos? I sure have!

For sure! On saturday mornings I don't know what channel it is but these half naked indian women are dancing and flirting with all the Indian men.
Their music videos look pretty slutty actually.

LOL it isn't even the same thing. In your scenario Nietz is chasing around another woman. If I walk down the street and a guy whistles at me, I am an innocent bystander.
I did not go out of my way to do anything innapropriate.

I blush because when someone gives me a compliment I usually blush regardless.

He's not chasing them. Maybe he's standing around and sees one with great tits and ass and lets her know it. Its life, as you said, its a compliment, women like to know they are attractive to the opposite sex. After all you don't particularly go to places where men are hanging around do you? And you don't know if they are married with three kids or in a live in relationship. But you consider it a compliment anyway. So your presence or absence should not make a difference, if its an innocent compliment.

HAHAH............If you only knew how shy he was you wouldn't even come up with these
scenarios........LOL

You know the 2 scenarios are totally different, and I know better then to try and explain it because you could go on about it for another 5 pages at least.

Yeah I get it that he's shy, its not him I'm concerned about, its your reaction to what you would think of his giving innocent compliments like the ones you receive.

You seem to think that I admire or respect these men that are cat calling. I don't know them from a hole in the wall and could care less. I don't give them much thought. For all I know they are single, married, whatever. It is not my concern because I am not with them.

I do however care what my significant other is out there doing. Do you think he cares if we are out and some guy is checking me out? He sometimes points it out to me. I think he almost takes it as a compliment because I am with him........

We are not going to see eye to eye on this at all.

So you blush at men who "compliment" your tits and ass because it makes you feel attractive, but you don't respect or admire them, even though its an innocent compliment? But its alright for you to receive them but not for nietzsche to give them even though he does not mind strange men checking you out?

You're right we cannot see eye to eye on this. My eyes are already crossed.

What is he going to do if a guy checks me out? Make a big fucking deal about it?
Go over and say something? Start a fight with him?

What is the big deal......

Again, I blush at any kind of compliments from anybody.....It could be a co worker who says " You look extra nice today"


It is not ok for him to go up to a chic and say you have a nice ass and tits..... That is him making a conscious effort to go and do that.

How can I not recieve a compliment if someone yells it out at me??????? What should I do??? Tell them to fuck off? Throw rocks at them??? :bugeye:

Reminds me of the time we were at Casino Niagra and that dirty mexican tried to rub up on your ass(tight pants she deserved it). She was mad as Bells, I was laughing my ass off.

Reminds me of the time we were at Casino Niagra and that dirty mexican tried to rub up on your ass(tight pants she deserved it). She was mad as Bells, I was laughing my ass off.

Ah, now I get you. You let her take care of herself. Thats a good option too. I prefer it myself. I like to fight my own battles. Though it irritates the shit out of me when a friend etc is laughing instead of cheering me on. :p

Everyone's got a limit. I prolly would do something if someone exceeded the universal law of "the right to extend your fist stops at my nose"(or my Girlfriends ass).

Yeah, thats my limit too (my ass)

Used to beat up guys for whistling but that was a long time ago.

Now the don't touch, just look works well.

The point is, the more revealing you dress, the more likely you are to be sexually harassed.

To be more specific: The more revealing a woman dresses, the more likely she is to be sexually harassed by men who have no better respect or use for women.

The problem is that whatever excuses you want to make for the men, all you're doing at this point is reaffirming the feminist suspicion that many men are incapable of seeing women as human beings, but rather view them as sex toys.

Don't blame a woman for a man's lack of self-control.

Reminds me of the time we were at Casino Niagra and that dirty mexican tried to rub up on your ass(tight pants she deserved it). She was mad as Bells, I was laughing my ass off.

I remember it well. That guy was a pig! He did rub up against my butt :eek:
You still get a kick out of it today....You perv :p

To be more specific: The more revealing a woman dresses, the more likely she is to be sexually harassed by men who have no better respect or use for women.

The problem is that whatever excuses you want to make for the men, all you're doing at this point is reaffirming the feminist suspicion that many men are incapable of seeing women as human beings, but rather view them as sex toys.

Don't blame a woman for a man's lack of self-control.

I'm not the one barking at women on sidewalks, nor am I defending the actions of those who do. Maybe if you actually read what other people said, instead of immediately launching a storybook-length diatribe against them, we wouldn't be tangled in this mess! Look, if you want to dress like you've just lost a bet, then by all means, go for it - but don't be surprised when certain men choose to take advantage of your blatant sluttyness (is that even a word?).

Besides, the "men" you're referring to are a minority. They're usually the type who work outdoors and gripe about shitty working conditions and unsatisfactory pay, trying to make light of the melancholic mood around them by making comments to women walking by.

Maybe if you actually read what other people said, instead of immediately launching a storybook-length diatribe against them, we wouldn't be tangled in this mess!

:bravo: This is usually my opinion when I read his posts.


Besides, the "men" you're referring to are a minority. They're usually the type who work outdoors and gripe about shitty working conditions and unsatisfactory pay, trying to make light of the melancholic mood around them by making comments to women walking by.

I agree.... Usually construction workers taking a break on the top of a roof or something.

bravo: This is usually my opinion when I read his posts.

:bugeye:

You read his posts?

So its alright for construction workers to "compliment" women. Apparently construction workers do not deserve respect and such like. Not a blue collar thing then?

:bugeye:

You read his posts?

Only the first few words :D Then it all sounds the same.

So its alright for construction workers to "compliment" women. Apparently construction workers do not deserve respect and such like. Not a blue collar thing then?

Oh give it a rest.......

And you say that I am uptight and a prude.......LOL

How Dare a man look at you in any other way then for your brain....OMG
how sinful, disgusting....:rolleyes:

Call me crazy here, but do you know how many women are also drooling when they see a sweaty, shirtless construction worker.

So its alright for construction workers to "compliment" women. Apparently construction workers do not deserve respect and such like. Not a blue collar thing then?

Well, what else are they to do? They work their fingers to the bone, building infrastructure for pampered individuals like yourself to conveniently use. They get paid little for doing a lot; they're usually working in the middle of terrible weather, whilst you're at home sipping hot cocoa and watching old reruns.

Seriously, let them enjoy their fifteen-minute break! Other than blazing a joint (which can get pricey!), what do they have to do except for ogling women they will never have the opportunity to tap?

Well, what else are they to do? They work their fingers to the bone, building infrastructure for pampered individuals like yourself to conveniently use. They get paid little for doing a lot; they're usually working in the middle of terrible weather, whilst you're at home sipping hot cocoa and watching old reruns.

Seriously, let them enjoy their fifteen-minute break! Other than blazing a joint (which can get pricey!), what do they have to do except for ogling women they will never have the opportunity to tap?

Yeah, let them enjoy their fifteen minute break by complimenting random women on their tits and asses, especially if the women blush and get all coy like. :p

Hey whatever :shrug:



Call me crazy here, but do you know how many women are also drooling when they see a sweaty, shirtless construction worker.

Let me guess, thats another compliment you're paying them, besides the quality of their dicks that is. Right?

Shit if Matthew Mcconahey whistled, or cat called you would you be so overly insulted????

Yeah, let them enjoy their fifteen minute break by complimenting random women on their tits and asses, especially if the women blush and get all coy like. :p

Hey whatever :shrug:

Why don't women compliment me when I'm walking down the street in a sexually-aggressive manner? I wouldn't complain if they did, so neither should you!

Hmph!

Why don't women compliment me when I'm walking down the street in a sexually-aggressive manner? I wouldn't complain, so neither should you!

Hmph!

Maybe you don't got the goods :p

Why don't women compliment me when I'm walking down the street in a sexually-aggressive manner? I wouldn't complain, so neither should you!

Hmph!

You should get all sweaty and shirtless and hang around shorty's. Carry some masculine type construction stuff. Maybe she'll oblige you with a swoon?:shrug:

You should get all sweaty and shirtless and hang around shorty's. Maybe she'll oblige you with a swoon?:shrug:

SAM you are really sounding like a lesbian now. Sounds like you don't even appreciate a hot man.....

What is wrong with a woman admiring a hot guy? :confused:

You should get all sweaty and shirtless and hang around shorty's. Maybe she'll oblige you with a swoon?:shrug:

I'm not sure if my dick is big enough to appease shorty, assuming the rumors prove true.

Maybe you don't got the goods :p

Are you kidding me?! :mad:

I'm not sure if my dick is big enough to appease shorty, assuming the rumors prove true.



Are you kidding me?! :mad:

LMAO............................Yes I was kidding :p Considering I have no idea
what you look like...

Why don't women compliment me when I'm walking down the street in a sexually-aggressive manner? I wouldn't complain if they did, so neither should you!

Hmph!

You'd feel the same if a man complimented you in such a manner?

*Sigh*

:rolleyes:

But yes Kadark. All women are objects, right?

LMAO............................Yes I was kidding Considering I have no idea
what you look like...

Picture the most attractive man imaginable. Now multiply his looks by a very large number.

That's me.

You'd feel the same if a man complimented you in such a manner?

Obviously not, because I'm not gay. It only works for the gender that you're attracted to. Duh!

But yes Kadark. All women are objects, right?

If you say so.

I'm not sure if my dick is big enough to appease shorty, assuming the rumors prove true.

Thats true and she does kiss and tell.

No I say it, I didnt think size mattered most of my life. i was married for a long time and he was fairly small in general. i didnt think much till I found someone that is bigger........and it does make a difference.

Thats true and she does kiss and tell.

BRAVO!! At least I have some stories to tell unlike you....Miss Prude

YUK EEEKK Don't you dare look at me like that...:rolleyes:

BRAVO!! At least I have some stories to tell unlike you....Miss Prude

YUK EEEKK Don't you dare look at me like that...:rolleyes:

Ah yes, such wonderful stories,



Let's see who is the sexiest member on sciforums! Since science has shown that looks are more important than brains for getting ahead in life!

Your nominations please. We will have a poll later.

nietzchefan

is it because of his beautiful mind or his hairy ass?

his massive dick

Great....Post all my sarcastic joking posts, what is your point?

I replied a sarcastic post with another.....But you can't comprehend that right.

So its not a massive dick then? You were being sarcastic?

Poor nietzsche. :(

Thats true and she does kiss and tell.

Well, let's be fair: at least she admits it. There's nothing worse than a woman who says size doesn't matter, only because she's happily married to a guy with a nine inch monstrosity. I hate those types of bitches!

Well, let's be fair: at least she admits it. There's nothing worse than a woman who says size doesn't matter, only because she's happily married to a guy with a nine inch monstrosity. I hate those types of bitches!

Lets just say that its my experience that size, while useful for friction, is no replacement for skill. A jackrabbit with a big dick is no substitute for a lover.

Lets just say that its my experience that size, while useful for friction, is no replacement for skill. A jackrabbit with a big dick is no substitute for a lover.

:eek:

That's very ... interesting.

I still hold firmly to my theory that the size of the wallet is a man's most valuable asset.

True or False?

So its not a massive dick then? You were being sarcastic?

Poor nietzsche. :(

:zzz:

Have you actually seen a real one? Or just those pictures of disgusting naked Indian men you always post.

:eek:

That's very ... interesting.

I still hold firmly to my theory that the size of the wallet is a man's most valuable asset.

True or False?

It depends entirely on the man, a self made man is worth more than one who gets it from daddy, not because he has a fat wallet, but because he has the confidence, the drive, the inclination and he tends to be good for the long haul. If he's not interesting though, the money can only make him bearable if you don't care about yourself.

It depends entirely on the man, a self made man is worth more than one who gets it from daddy, not because he has a fat wallet, but because he has the confidence, the drive, the inclination and he tends to be good for the long haul.

A cheap shot at our beloved user Muslim, perchance?

Don't worry, sweetheart - I hustle for my money. There's no free handouts here!

:eek:

That's very ... interesting.

I still hold firmly to my theory that the size of the wallet is a man's most valuable asset.

True or False?

Unfortunately in this day, there are alot of gold diggers out there. I have always had my own money, and I wouldn't be with an asshole just because he was rich.

A cheap shot at our beloved user Muslim, perchance?

Don't worry, sweetheart - I hustle for my money. There's no free handouts here!

Nah I got some of those layabouts as friends. :D

...Let me guess, thats another compliment you're paying them, besides the quality of their dicks that is. Right?

About teh construction guy thing...I don't know any woman that cat calls. They may whisper to a friend (like I've seen guys do to girls) but I've never seen/heard a woman cat call.
And I think there is a difference for admiration for the human form and making it sexual. (Kinda like art vs porn)

So Sam you didn't answer. Would you be so utterly insulted if Matthew, saw you out walking and whistled, Hey Babe...

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5779/matthewmcconaughey13532qc9.jpg

Reminds me of the time we were at Casino Niagra and that dirty mexican tried to rub up on your ass(tight pants she deserved it). She was mad as Bells, I was laughing my ass off.

she deserved it? :eek:
I would have slapped him and my husband would have pounded him into a tiny little bloody spot on the carpet. He definitely doesn't have your kind of control when it comes to other men touching his paretner's body.

About teh construction guy thing...I don't know any woman that cat calls. They may whisper to a friend (like I've seen guys do to girls) but I've never seen/heard a woman cat call.
And I think there is a difference for admiration for the human form and making it sexual. (Kinda like art vs porn)

Yeah, I notice the people who think a mini skirt equals sexual promiscuity are the same people who think nudity equals porn. I think there is a basic difference in understanding what is sexual and what is not.

Why don't women compliment me when I'm walking down the street in a sexually-aggressive manner? ...

we don't because we always thought you were gay. :shrug:
Maybe next time.

So Sam you didn't answer. Would you be so utterly insulted if Matthew, saw you out walking and whistled, Hey Babe...

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5779/matthewmcconaughey13532qc9.jpg

I would be disappointed. With a pregnant wife he should know better than to go around whistling at strange women.

LOL, that's what I thought! "You bastard! She's pregnant"

I would be disappointed. With a pregnant wife he should know better than to go around whistling at strange women.

Oh FFS....He is a stranger to you........you know nothing about him.

It's funny how the poll has registered sixteen votes, considering it was only meant for the ladies.

Since when did Sciforums have sixteen active ladies?

Oh FFS....He is a stranger to you........you know nothing about him.

I know he has a steady girlfriend and she is pregnant, don't need to know any more.

If you're asking if a studly type said Hey babe would I be insulted? I really don't go for the studly types myself, they're only good for posters and such. :)

I like a man who can grab my attention and hold it.

I know he has a steady girlfriend and she is pregnant, don't need to know any more.

If you're asking if a studly type said Hey babe would I be insulted? I really don't go for the studly types myself, they're only good for posters and such. :)

I like a man who can grab my attention and hold it.

Oh you are hopeless :p

Oh you are hopeless :p

Thats true, I recognise that, its why I avoid serious relationships now, its easier on me and them.:cool:

You cannot believe how difficult it can get. :eek:

Oh you are hopeless :p

Yes.

Shame on you Sam for liking a man with a brain and can think for himself.

Shame! Shame! Shame!:mad:

You're a woman Sam You're meant to go for looks alone and then get all giggly and stupid.. bat your eyelashes, twirl your hair and then smile and say thank you when a big buff brute tells you you have nice tits. Then feel complimented about it and think you've still got it.

Back to girl school for you Sam!

:rolleyes:

I know he has a steady girlfriend and she is pregnant, don't need to know any more.

If you're asking if a studly type said Hey babe would I be insulted? I really don't go for the studly types myself, they're only good for posters and such. :)

I like a man who can grab my attention and hold it.

So now you don't care about money and looks?! Too good to be true.

Tell me: how many ugly, moths-in-his-wallet guys have you dated?

Hmmm?

Yes.

Shame on you Sam for liking a man with a brain and can think for himself.

Shame! Shame! Shame!:mad:

You're a woman Sam You're meant to go for looks alone and then get all giggly and stupid.. bat your eyelashes, twirl your hair and then smile and say thank you when a big buff brute tells you you have nice tits. Then feel complimented about it and think you've still got it.

Back to girl school for you Sam!

:rolleyes:

Nah she's right. I'm a difficult woman. :D

Nah she's right. I'm a difficult woman. :D

So am I.:p

I took brains over brawn and thank christ.:D

I took brains over brawn and thank christ.:D

Why choose? Can't you have both?

So am I.:p

I took brains over brawn and thank christ.:D

hell yeah, there's only so much you can drool over a man before you realise he has no conversation.

So am I.:p

I took brains over brawn and thank christ.:D

Let's hope your husband doesn't read that. You don't want him suffering from ego-ectomy, or anything like that.

So am I.:p

I took brains over brawn and thank christ.:D

sigh...I'm pathetic. :o If my husband dies, I SWEAR! I'm gonna go that route.

sigh...I'm pathetic. :o If my husband dies, I SWEAR! I'm gonna go that route.

You should try my rule of thumb. His oomph vs his conversation. If in ten minutes, I feel a glaze settling on my brain and my movements feel like I'm making them underwater with the beginnings of a drool down the side of my mouth, I run. :D

Yeah but who wants to sit around and have all these great conversations, if you look at him and have no desire to have sex with him?

He could be brilliant, but if he looks like Bill Gates I am not interested.

Why choose? Can't you have both?

What makes you assume I don't (or didn't)?

My ex was a fireman who was big and brawny... rippling really. And the prat took to calling me "Baby". Try to have a conversation with him about anything that was about a book, politics, etc, and the reply was a patronising "don't let it worry you Baby". Ugh..:mad:

Didn't last long thankfully.

Let's hope your husband doesn't read that. You don't want him suffering from ego-ectomy, or anything like that.
My husband knows I think he is perfect just as he is.:D

hell yeah, there's only so much you can drool over a man before you realise he has no conversation.
Indeed.

Plus he takes the rubbish out without having to be asked first. Double bonus!:D

shorty,

Bill Gates isn't that ugly.

Sam Cassell, on the other hand, is martian ugly.

We always want the best of both worlds, but that is an unreasonable demand.

You should try my rule of thumb. His oomph vs his conversation. If in ten minutes, I feel a glaze settling on my brain and my movements feel like I'm making them underwater with the beginnings of a drool down the side of my mouth, I run. :D

well, the conversation may not be all that, but he does make me laugh. And that counts for a lot. :D

I took brains over brawn and thank christ.:D

How am I assuming...You said it :confused: What's wrong if your husband calls you Baby or Babe ? :shrug:

well, the conversation may not be all that, but he does make me laugh. And that counts for a lot. :D

Indeed it does.

Yeah but who wants to sit around and have all these great conversations, if you look at him and have no desire to have sex with him?

He could be brilliant, but if he looks like Bill Gates I am not interested.

Hmm if Bill Gates said all the right things I would take him over any stud!

If I can talk to a man, he's past the first major hurdle of being attractive to me.

How am I assuming...You said it :confused: What's wrong if your husband calls you Baby or Babe ? :shrug:

Its unbelievably patronising.

If I can talk to a man, he's past the first major hurdle of being attractive to me.

Please respond to post #180.

Yeah but who wants to sit around and have all these great conversations, if you look at him and have no desire to have sex with him?

He could be brilliant, but if he looks like Bill Gates I am not interested.

:bugeye:

So if he is dumb but looks good, you're all for it?

Bit shallow, don't you think?

I simply am not sexually attracted to someone I cannot have a great conversation with. As I said, with my ex, the looks remained secondary and it didn't last long. I tried, but there's only so much one can take and any attraction that may have been there dwindled each time he called me "Baby". By the time it ended I found him repulsive in every way.

I have no problem with Nietzche turning and saying "Hey Babe" what do you want to do today.... It's said in an affectionate way.

I simply am not sexually attracted to someone I cannot have a great conversation with.

Yeah, thats just like me. I don't care how good he looks if I cannot feel the vibe. And if I feel it, I don't care how he looks anyway.

:bugeye:

So if he is dumb but looks good, you're all for it?

Bit shallow, don't you think?

I simply am not sexually attracted to someone I cannot have a great conversation with. As I said, with my ex, the looks remained secondary and it didn't last long. I tried, but there's only so much one can take and any attraction that may have been there dwindled each time he called me "Baby". By the time it ended I found him repulsive in every way.

Did I say that? I went out with a gorgeous fireman too!! But am I with him now? :p

A man has to be able to make me laugh. The conversation doesn't have to be so intense, because I am not a brainaic myself.
Nietzche is much smarter than me........ hmmmmmm Maybe he shouldn't be with me......LOL

So now you don't care about money and looks?! Too good to be true.

Tell me: how many ugly, moths-in-his-wallet guys have you dated?

Hmmm?

Hmm of all the guys I've liked, only one was conventionally good looking and none were rich. The good looking guy was the most broke, actually.

Hmm of all the guys I've liked, only one was conventionally good looking and none were rich. The good looking guy was the most broke, actually.

"None were rich" could mean anything! :p

C'mon, in a country with a population well over a billion, there's gotta be somebody who can hold a conversation with you. If not, maybe it's something you're doing wrong? :shrug:

Your edit..

What's wrong if your husband calls you Baby or Babe ? :shrug:
Err because it is patronising. I am not some pet or little girl. I have a name. Had my parents named me "Baby" or "Babe", then it would be a different matter. But they did not.

It wasn't something that was said every once in a while. It was all the time. I would call him and the reply was always "yes Baby?"..:bawl: Drove me insane. I would ask him to stop.. tell him to stop.. he just could not. He was one of those guys who called his girlfriend "Baby".. as in the "Don't worry your pretty little head about it Baby"..

Started off ok.. we could talk about everything.. but then he seemed to settle and then his true self came out. The few and far between "Baby" became something that was constant. By the end, I had become one of those people who could crush a glass in one hand each time he called me that. As I said, it didn't last long.:)

"None were rich" could mean anything! :p

C'mon, in a country with a population well over a billion, there's gotta be somebody who can hold a conversation with you. If not, maybe it's something you're doing wrong? :shrug:

Mostly, I'm not looking. But yeah, if it comes down to it, there are guys I like enough to settle down with. :p
Your edit..


Err because it is patronising. I am not some pet or little girl. I have a name. Had my parents named me "Baby" or "Babe", then it would be a different matter. But they did not.

It wasn't something that was said every once in a while. It was all the time. I would call him and the reply was always "yes Baby?".. Drove me insane. I would ask him to stop.. tell him to stop.. he just could not. He was one of those guys who called his girlfriend "Baby".. as in the "Don't worry your pretty little head about it Baby"..

Started off ok.. we could talk about everything.. but then he seemed to settle and then his true self came out. The few and far between "Baby" became something that was constant. By the end, I had become one of those people who could crush a glass in one hand each time he called me that. As I said, it didn't last long

Ever tried calling him "kid"? Or kiddo?

I'm not the one barking at women on sidewalks, nor am I defending the actions of those who do

Actually, you are defending them—

"However, if you're going to dress without respect for yourself, then people are under no obligation to treat you with respect, either." (#1861897/95 (http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1861897))

• "Clearly, there is a difference between grabbing/humping a woman, and making a chauvinistic comment towards a woman because she was flaunting her ass towards your face, while taking gazelle strides in her low-cut, tantalizing skirt." (#1861932/97 (http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1861932))

—even after claiming you aren't—

• "Well, what else are they to do? They work their fingers to the bone, building infrastructure for pampered individuals like yourself to conveniently use. They get paid little for doing a lot; they're usually working in the middle of terrible weather, whilst you're at home sipping hot cocoa and watching old reruns.

"Seriously, let them enjoy their fifteen-minute break! Other than blazing a joint (which can get pricey!), what do they have to do except for ogling women they will never have the opportunity to tap?" (#1862215/143 (http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1862215))

—so spare us the sanctimonious crap:

Maybe if you actually read what other people said, instead of immediately launching a storybook-length diatribe against them, we wouldn't be tangled in this mess!

I mean, really ... maybe I would believe your pathetic attempt to disclaim yourself if I didn't read your posts.

Look, if you want to dress like you've just lost a bet, then by all means, go for it - but don't be surprised when certain men choose to take advantage of your blatant sluttyness (is that even a word?)

And if you want to turn around and try to justify poor behavior immediately after claiming you're not trying to justify poor behavior, don't be surprised if certain people decide to call bullshit.

Seriously, man, if you're going to try to con us, at least put some effort into it.

Boo. Hiss. Whatever.

Thbpbpbpbpt!