View Full Version : Castro Quits


sandy
02-19-08, 12:29 PM
Good riddance to bad rubbish:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080219170348.2nx1ni8v&show_article=1

Ugh....:(

nietzschefan
02-19-08, 12:50 PM
Say hi to the new boss, same as the old boss.

sandy
02-19-08, 01:01 PM
Agreed. I read that on HotAir:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/02/19/castro-out/

:D

cosmictraveler
02-19-08, 04:59 PM
He has always gotten way to much media coverage. He has done nothing to advance his people and his main export is Cubans themselves to other countries. His economics are in ruins because he takes everything for himself and his cronies and puts it in a Swiss bank account. I still don't understand why the media gives a shit about him for that's about all he's worth.:(

Orleander
02-19-08, 05:01 PM
seriously, hasn't he been out of power for a while now?

Norsefire
02-19-08, 05:03 PM
A bad leader, unfortunately replaced by another bad leader

communism is the worst economic policy there is because there is no economy. No trade, barter, or business means no economy, no competition means no improvement.

cosmictraveler
02-19-08, 05:04 PM
seriously, hasn't he been out of power for a while now?

He is a defacto type of leader. His cronies, other military, just let him ramble on and on while they collect all the wealth.

Red Devil
02-19-08, 05:13 PM
........... and another Castro takes over - "The King is dead, Long live the King"

shichimenshyo
02-19-08, 05:16 PM
Yea, I'm sure democracy will spread like wild fire and a new American friendly president will be elected...

cosmictraveler
02-19-08, 05:17 PM
Yea, I'm sure democracy will spread like wild fire and a new American friendly president will be elected...

Actually there are only a few countries that don't have a democracy today and only a few with communists in charge.

iceaura
02-19-08, 06:07 PM
Compare Cuba, blockaded and harassed and undermined by the most powerful country on earth not a hundred miles away,

with Haiti, propped up and helped and encouraged and liberated by that same country

and get a sense of what Castro, bad as he was, accomplished.

It could have gone much worse, for Cuba, these past fifty years.

Norsefire
02-19-08, 06:34 PM
Compare Cuba, blockaded and harassed and undermined by the most powerful country on earth not a hundred miles away,

with Haiti, propped up and helped and encouraged and liberated by that same country

and get a sense of what Castro, bad as he was, accomplished.

It could have gone much worse, for Cuba, these past fifty years.

But it still could've gone far better with capitalism

Asguard
02-19-08, 06:46 PM
what with your health care system?

Kadark
02-19-08, 09:48 PM
Congratulations to Fidel Castro - half a century in power is unbelievable. Nobody could take this legend out. I truly hope his health improves.

cosmictraveler
02-20-08, 08:27 AM
what with your health care system?

Castro's health care doesn't have the supplies needed to help those that need the help because he doesn't have money to pay for the medial supplies. Free health care in Cuba is a joke and even he goes to France or elsewhere to get his own operations, did you know that?

Orleander
02-20-08, 11:15 AM
so will the embargo stop since castro isn't in power? Or is it a communist thing and not a castro thing.

15ofthe19
02-20-08, 11:53 AM
so will the embargo stop since castro isn't in power? Or is it a communist thing and not a castro thing.

Bush has already said the policy is not about Fidel, so I don't see anything changing with regards to the embargo.

Interesting to me that they called a press conference to announce this at 3 A.M.

My guess: he's dead.

Red Devil
02-20-08, 03:41 PM
The Americans got their nosed bloodied there, they do not forgive, or forget.

Orleander
02-20-08, 03:45 PM
So is Cuba the only communist country we have an embargo against?

Red Devil
02-20-08, 03:49 PM
It IS the only communist country isn't it? Yes I know, China too but USA seems to have little problem there.

iceaura
02-20-08, 04:01 PM
But it still could've gone far better with capitalism As in Haiti ? Trinidad ? Dominican Republic ? Jamaica ? Such paradises they must be - to have all the benefits of capitalism, plus the friendship and help of the most powerful country on earth rather than its hostility and opposition.

Free health care in Cuba is a joke and even he goes to France or elsewhere to get his own operations, did you know that? To a socialist health care system ? Why not one of the superior capitalist ones, like Puerto Rico or Mexico ?

Cuba has been exporting doctors to its neighbors, including those who have enjoyed the benefits of US friendship and capitalism and not been blighted by embargos from powerful countries, for many years.

"Free" health care is not a joke, on the Caribbean islands and coastal countries of the Gulf.

sandy
02-20-08, 04:14 PM
I almost choked when Mikey Moron said Cuba's health care was better than ours in his crockumentary "Sicko". What a jack@ss. :rolleyes:

I don't exactly see people flocking to Cuba for their health care. In fact, zillions
of Cubans are all here in FL. :rolleyes:

Orleander
02-20-08, 04:19 PM
So we don't even send humanitarin aid? So we tell them their lives are awful under Communism and to prove it we do nothing to improve their lives.
How is Cuba any different than China??

Myles
02-20-08, 04:55 PM
I almost choked when Mikey Moron said Cuba's health care was better than ours in his crockumentary "Sicko". What a jack@ss. :rolleyes:

I don't exactly see people flocking to Cuba for their health care. In fact, zillions
of Cubans are all here in FL. :rolleyes:

I think you are confusing what is available to the few,in America ,to what is available to all in Cuba.

Norsefire
02-20-08, 04:57 PM
As in Haiti ? Trinidad ? Dominican Republic ? Jamaica ? Such paradises they must be - to have all the benefits of capitalism, plus the friendship and help of the most powerful country on earth rather than its hostility and opposition.

To a socialist health care system ? Why not one of the superior capitalist ones, like Puerto Rico or Mexico ?

Cuba has been exporting doctors to its neighbors, including those who have enjoyed the benefits of US friendship and capitalism and not been blighted by embargos from powerful countries, for many years.

"Free" health care is not a joke, on the Caribbean islands and coastal countries of the Gulf.

That's because those people don't know how to actually run a country. But wouldn't you agree capitalism IS the best economic policy?

Myles
02-20-08, 04:59 PM
So we don't even send humanitarin aid? So we tell them their lives are awful under Communism and to prove it we do nothing to improve their lives.
How is Cuba any different than China??

Cuba is a better place than China. Cuba is poor, China is selling the products of cheap labour to America. America dare not risk a confrontation with China;It's bullying the little guy who took control of sugar production from them. That's not the whole story.

iceaura
02-20-08, 05:34 PM
That's because those people don't know how to actually run a country. So Castro was right ?

Look at the advantages those other countries had - starting with free markets and the great trade relationship right next to the world's richest nation.

What do you suppose Jamaica would look like right now if the US had embargoed it, and interfered with all of its trade in international business, and run terrorists at it, and spent millions trying to bring down its government over the past fifty years ?

Norsefire
02-20-08, 05:40 PM
So Castro was right ?

Look at the advantages those other countries had - starting with free markets and the great trade relationship right next to the world's richest nation.

What do you suppose Jamaica would look like right now if the US had embargoed it, and interfered with all of its trade in international business, and run terrorists at it, and spent millions trying to bring down its government over the past fifty years ?

Right about what?
Capitalism is the way to go, but you need a skilled population and resources, something Jamaica doesn't have enough of

iceaura
02-20-08, 05:55 PM
Right about what?
Capitalism is the way to go, but you need a skilled population and resources, something Jamaica doesn't have enough of Right about what the best government was for Cuba.

So you need a prosperous and educated community and lots of resources before you attempt capitalism ?

Then what's the point ? Why not go with what got you the prosperity and education, adn avoid turning yourself into Haiti ?

Norsefire
02-20-08, 05:57 PM
Right about what the best government was for Cuba.

So you need a prosperous and educated community and lots of resources before you attempt capitalism ?

Then what's the point ? Why not go with what got you the prosperity and education, adn avoid turning yourself into Haiti ?

No, maybe communism was the best economic policy for Cuba, but not the best form of government (if it is even a form of government)

No, what you need are people willing to work hard but yes you do need resources or an ability to acquire resources efficiently from foriegn nations (Japan, for instance, has little resources but is very successful)

Free market = faster economy and improvement.

Orleander
02-20-08, 06:08 PM
But why are we punishing a country because we don't like its government. If the people who live there don't like it, why don't they change it?

Norsefire
02-20-08, 06:35 PM
But why are we punishing a country because we don't like its government. If the people who live there don't like it, why don't they change it?

They do like it.
But you're right, ultimately the power of a nation is within the citizens themselves. A dictator is one man, he has as much authority as is given to him. Even his army could choose to defy him, and then what is his power?

Hipparchia
02-20-08, 08:56 PM
I think after fifty years that 'stands down' would have been more apposite than 'quits'.

kmguru
02-20-08, 10:14 PM
USA has to borrow money from China. Cuba does not have anything to offer....

iceaura
02-20-08, 10:50 PM
Free market = faster economy and improvement. Not for Haiti. Hardly any Carib Island country has benefitted, compared with Cuba, from a "free market" setup. Neither have the nearby continental countries, in general.

Norsefire
02-20-08, 11:20 PM
Not for Haiti. Hardly any Carib Island country has benefitted, compared with Cuba, from a "free market" setup. Neither have the nearby continental countries, in general.

As I said, they don't know how to handle it probably or lack the skills for it. Mexico has the potential of being a superpower, but their population isn't skilled enough. They have all the resources, etc,


So are you saying communism is better than capitalism? Because we can debate that, capitalism in my opinion is the better for the economy.

pjdude1219
02-20-08, 11:53 PM
I almost choked when Mikey Moron said Cuba's health care was better than ours in his crockumentary "Sicko". What a jack@ss. :rolleyes:

I don't exactly see people flocking to Cuba for their health care. In fact, zillions
of Cubans are all here in FL. :rolleyes:

the people who went to florida did not do so because of health care and cuba's is better

chuuush
02-22-08, 01:23 PM
Just think that if the U.S. had managed to kill him in one of those tens of assasination attempts, he would not be less popular now than Che (though he is anyway very popular all over the world). He is the living Che; anybody who admires Che has no way but to admire Castro, too.

Red Devil
02-22-08, 01:59 PM
The only reason some git called Che is popular is the pathetic youth culture that spawned his breed of anarchy (and T Shirts). Che would have had them all shot as toruble makers.

hypewaders
02-22-08, 02:25 PM
Let's hear it for ending the ridiculous Cold War with Cuba right now.

G. F. Schleebenhorst
02-22-08, 03:15 PM
Just think that if the U.S. had managed to kill him in one of those tens of assasination attempts,

Apparently the CIA and others made 638 attempts, including the planned use of an exploding cigar.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/aug/03/cuba.duncancampbell2

Castro had already guessed that she was aiming to kill him and he duly offered her his own pistol.

Now that's either an idiot, or a real man. You don't hear stories like that about western leaders, now, do you?

sowhatifit'sdark
02-22-08, 03:33 PM
But why are we punishing a country because we don't like its government. If the people who live there don't like it, why don't they change it?

Because they were communist and nationalized resourses. The dictator that Castro overthrew was worse but the CIA loved him just fine. He allowed money to flow in ways that corporate america was pleased with. Suddenly when it was a communist dictator the US gets all worked up about democracy and tyranny. Give us a break.

sandy
02-23-08, 07:35 AM
Castro opened all his jails and nut houses. He sent all the inmates here to
Miami. :(

Challenger78
02-23-08, 07:39 AM
Wow. half a Century.
Thanks for standing up to Uncle Sam, Loved what you did with their heads.

Oh, and btw, can your people have food now ?. Sure, they have healthcare ,but they need food more than medicine.

Asguard
02-23-08, 07:44 AM
Challenger to be fair how much of that was him and how much was the on going embargo by the US?

Challenger78
02-23-08, 07:49 AM
Challenger to be fair how much of that was him and how much was the on going embargo by the US?

Good point. I would go 40/60. He kept a lot of the best things in the country to himself, but one man can only have so much.

Asguard
02-23-08, 07:52 AM
And rember the US (at least when they were trying to off him) wanted his people to hate him. Whats the best way to do that? Limit food and then spreed rumors blaming HIM for it

Challenger78
02-23-08, 07:57 AM
And rember the US (at least when they were trying to off him) wanted his people to hate him. Whats the best way to do that? Limit food and then spreed rumors blaming HIM for it

However , He wasn't exactly a model leader.

Asguard
02-23-08, 08:03 AM
im not saying he was. Im just not convinced he was as bad as he was made out to be either. For instance about the cuban missile crisis. The US was flying planes all over cuban air space and expecting them NOT to be shot down? If someone flew planes over US airspace what would happen?

And the fact is that no matter how poor the country is they still seem to have a better health care system than the US

Challenger78
02-23-08, 08:04 AM
Good on em. Castro has inspired millions, despite being a bad role model (or is that just because I'm a westerner?)