Does anybody have any problem with sending seven carrier strike groups to waters off the coast of China? Apparently this will occur in late July / early August. If China feels threatened enough, it could decide it is finally time to stomp Taiwan with a blitzkrieg before the U.S. Navy can gather. The U.S. sure as hell doesn't have the ground forces available to either defend Taiwan or mount a liberation operation.

It's also not real far from Korea, if you think the U.S. would like to kick some ass up in the North.

I believe this is being done NOT to intimidate China but to show North Korea that the USA won't take any shit from it. I also think China knows why the battlegroups are headed their way and won't feel any type of problems will develop unless North Korea starts to try something stupid, then China will side with the USA to show that they will help in stopping Kim from doing anything rash with either China or South Korea. IMO.

Will the Chinese side with the US? Or will they start asking for a favor first like no harassment when they take over Taiwan. If China takes Taiwan they will increase in power dramatically as Taiwan is a major center for High-tech production (guess were most computer chips are made) let alone all the sweat shop labor for just about everything else.

When? Don't you mean if? I don't think that's a foregone conclusion at all.

China does't want problems from Kim either and he will start something with them if China isn't very forceful. China sees the USA as trying to help supress Kims wants and that is why China will side with the USA.

sorry yes "If"

Carriers’ coming to Taiwanese waters is not going to warm relations with Washington I can tell you that but the Chinese aren’t going to do anything. Should war ever erupt on Taiwan it would be China’s best interest to create a diversion for US forces, alas NK invading SK. The US would easily loose both should such a situation arise. I would also count out a nuclear attack because China can retaliate against the US with nuclear weapons, and China would end up winning anyways, you simply can’t kill 1.2 billion people, but 280 million BAH!

If China takes Taiwan they will increase in power dramatically as Taiwan is a major center for High-tech production (guess were most computer chips are made) let alone all the sweat shop labor for just about everything else.

Do you honestly believe that Taiwan will look the same way it does today? Do you realize what China’s plans are for Taiwan?

China does't want problems from Kim either and he will start something with them if China isn't very forceful. China sees the USA as trying to help supress Kims wants and that is why China will side with the USA.

Frankly I see China invading NK before the US does, and setup a provisional govt there. China’s goal is simple, never to have US forces based on its borders.

Do you realize what China’s plans are for Taiwan?

Well no, could you enlighten us?

If a war between china and the US went nuclear 1.2 billion people would disappear rather quickly, though civilian casualties would be at Armageddon levels, I think it would be more important to figure how many military personnel are available on both sides. China needs to attack Taiwan, in doing that the US would be on the defensive and have a major advantage strategically: the US does not need to invade china, china need to invade to win. To win china would need to send troops across the ocean, be shot at like sitting ducks. Lets a lot not forget the supposed technological advantage the US has over china militarily, hey the US spends 6 times what china spends on military.

Well no, could you enlighten us?

I could…

China needs to attack Taiwan, in doing that the US would be on the defensive and have a major advantage strategically: the US does not need to invade china, china need to invade to win.

Not necessarily in the short term, China has many options open to her and Taiwan is being rather idiotic, let me explain why. Taiwan’s biggest trade partner is it’s enemy, China is the country whose insatiable growth has facilitated Taiwan’s economy to boom again. China could slap on sanctions against the Island nation and enforce an embargo on it. I don’t think the Chinese are stupid enough to just start invading; they have options in their decks. China isn’t stupid the point is to make the Taiwanese or the Americans start the war. Not unlike the blockade of Cuba in the 60’s the point here would be, “I won’t touch you only, if you break our rules.”

To win china would need to send troops across the ocean, be shot at like sitting ducks.

Your use of semantics is obviously incorrect, it’s not an ocean. The breadth between China and Taiwan is almost exactly the same as the D-Day landings, and the correlations btwn the two would be very alike. China wouldn’t invade Taiwan without destroying it first. The allied powers bombed the Normandy coast extensively for a month prior to any invasion. China has 700 IRBM’s and growing across the straight ready to relentless destroy Taiwan. A war in the Formosa straight wouldn’t just start, it would be gradual.

Lets a lot not forget the supposed technological advantage the US has over china militarily,

The Chinese have a numerical superiority over the Americans. 3000 jets ready to become kamikaze.

the US spends 6 times what china spends on military.

NK spends $5 billion on the military yet could potentially shame the US and SK. It’s not tech toys that matter it’s three things, tactics, training and the will to fight.

Undecided,

numerical superiority is no match to technological superiority.

a nulcear war is not going to stop everything, blowing up cities is not going to stop armies that are no where near those sites.

D-Day landing crossed a ocean as well, I don't care if it only ~200Km striat there going to have to cross it.

and are you going to tell us what chinas plans are or not, do you know are not?

China won't have to start a war because in time they will become more democratic and Taiwan will want to realign itself with them. Taiwan sees China growing a great business empire and within 10 to 20 years China will be one of the greatest producers of goods the world has ever seen. Those that lead China into this new democraticly controlled business age will be well rewarded with more money and power than they will ever need. Taiwan wants to be on a good business partners side and will vote on joining back with China within 10 to 20 years. No wars will be needed to have this occur but everyone must take North Korea seriously and keep Kim in check.

Should war ever erupt on Taiwan it would be China’s best interest to create a diversion for US forces, alas NK invading SK.

That's what'll most likely happen. If and when NK invades SK, that's when China will try and take over Taiwan.

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numerical superiority is no match to technological superiority.

Seemed to work rather well against the Nazi’s wouldn’t you say? The US carrier forces wouldn’t even have enough missiles to beat all the planes that China could employ. It’s not the US is fighting near supply lines, if China were relentless in her attacks the US would be hard pressed to stop them.

a nulcear war is not going to stop everything, blowing up cities is not going to stop armies that are no where near those sites.

Do you honestly think that only cities are going to be blown up?

D-Day landing crossed a ocean as well, I don't care if it only ~200Km striat there going to have to cross it.

That adds to your credibility… :rolleyes: I assume you mean strait, hmmm?

and are you going to tell us what chinas plans are or not, do you know are not?

Read btwn the lines, they are there. Welcome to WE&P…

China won't have to start a war because in time they will become more democratic and Taiwan will want to realign itself with them.

I sincerely hope so; I also don’t see a war on against Taiwan. Taiwan will become dependant on the Chinese for her very economic survival. China has hardly ever in her history invaded other states in an offensive act. If you at Chinese history she controls other states because they are her vassals, they pay her tribute. With the huge Chinese market, and manufacturing base SE Asian states, and even Korea and Japan will grow increasingly dependant on China for their economic growth, which will greatly reduce the power of the US. China’s goals are more regional then international and with 1.2 billion people and a economy expected to far surpass the US’ the future looks rather bright for China if she plays her cards right.

Seven carriers is about 6 more inches than everyone else.