It has occurred to me that I can not see actual reality.
Let me explain.
When ever I look at something,a picture,a freind,my computer screen;it is not the actual object itself,but the reflected image of the object riding on the waves of light into my eyes.
I can never perceive the actual substance of an object or person,as they are in the exact same moment as I.
The image is carried on light.
The object/visual image of the universe,has to wait for light to bring it to your eye.
In this way,I guess I can't really experience anything in real time through the senses.
Since most of it is limited to the speed of electrical impulses.
Even though that is fast,it still stands to beckon that it is not the actual phenomenon in real time that you experience.
This goes for hearing,seeing,touch,and I guess all physical responses.

However,I do beleive that there is a real object there.
There has to be an object there for my impulses to be reflected back,independant of me.
This forces me to look for truths inside and out.
The truth of odds/learning to make what I would beleive to be smart choices looking outward onto the multitude of interacting phenomana known as our everyday life.
And the truth of certainty inwards, that I in reality,do exist,and that I could indeed experience my own realtime existence.

What mystics might call Nirvana or something.Searching for the source of my impulses.That of experiencing your reality/your existence, before impulses are sent.
If thats possible.


Just a thought.

It's time to take your medication now... okay? :)

*Looks at watch*
Opps, your right. gulp ,gulp.AHH all better now.

Anybody famialiar with relativity? mc2?

This is a very old philosophical discussion....

Lets start with the beginning: Percieving the world.

Our perception of our surroundings is indirect. Lets take vision; what we receive is a pattern of lightwaves. From these, we deduce what is in front of us. Out vision can be cheated, both int otpercieving something that is not there, and the opposite.

However, we have ways to validate our sensory input: Assume you see a nobject in front of you. You can now reach out and feel the object. This gives you a different but overlapping set of information about the object. You can weigh and measure the object, etc. etc.

By validating, in various ways, our sensory input, we can ascertain that the world is real, we can make predictions of how the world behaves and verify this (if you drop an object, it will fall). In this way we can be certain that the world is not an illusion.

Our, basically subjective, perception of the world can also be validated. By discussing the way we percieve things with others, we can verify that humans perceive the world in more or less the same way.

Hans

An article in the Sunday newspaper this week promted me to look up a drug called DMT. I found a web site that I haven't completely read through yet, but looks interesting - and a little relative to your post.

Search for the words - Erowid Ketamine Vault Journal Article #5

Cheers.
Teri

:)

lol @ Teri2.

I can see what you mean moementum7, however there doesn't really have to be an object there, not if we are living in some kind of matrix. :D

You have also touched upon something that I still find hard to get my head around: ...the object riding on the waves of light into my eyes. Waves are quite hard to understand, in my opinion. We are taught that things are made up of atoms and this must also include the air too. If light moves through the air with no refraction, then it must be moving between the atoms in the air, hence the waves of light: See Attachment.

On the other hand we are also taught that light moves in straight lines, so it must move straight through the atoms, in which case how does it move in waves??

Also if light always moves in straight lines, then how can it be effected (and bent) by gravity, such as with black holes etc.

I can see how this could all make sense, but I'm sure there is something missing somewhere.

I absolutely agree with you that there is an objective realty and that it is in essence not an illusion,but very real indeed.
It is the simple fact that everything I see is just a reflection of light.Reflecting off of the very real object.

This thread was started as a result of questioning relativity and the possibilty of traveling faster than light.

I guess what I am saying is that the light/image is not the actual object itself.
When getting into relativity"sorry people if this is the wrong thread to talk about this", and approaching the speed of light these questions come up.

What you see is not the object in itself.It is a property of the objects identification only,one form of information.A property.

When approaching the speed of light, things would appear to slow down to the traveller.But it is not time/energy/objects themselves slowing down,but its image reflected on the light,and its ability to reach you through this method,appearing to slow down.
Things would appear to slow down to the receiver of the visual images/information,or speed up,depending on the direction you were facing light information.

For instance,if you were facing earth as you were blasting away from it,approaching the speed of light,the visual info would not be reaching you as fast,it would appear to be slowing down,and even stopping.

Let's say you are in a boat in a river.You are anchored down securely.Now an object is floating down the river aproaching you at a steady rate of speed.It is the rate of the river that will determine the objects speed and rate of closure.

However if you were to pull up on the anchor,thus begining to reach the speed of the river,the object would no longer be approaching.And if I threw a motor on the boat I could even go fast enough to reverse its closure.

Anyways this is all subject to whether or not travelling faster than light is even possible.:o

I will take the rest of my medication now:)

Not to sure about the matrix,thing.
But the rest of your questions are valid.
Right now it is beddy time.
Peace Out:o

The Image you see is a gathered reflection or memory of what was. The image is real but the subject of it is in the past. like a dying star that we just now observe in actuality died in the past and is history of a fact that it did exist, but no more.. a memory of an action. a lit up lite bulb traveling at the speed of light or slightly in excess would not shine in advance but would emit light behind itself.