For sometime I've been pondering over whether one person can actual make a difference. The current party system in the UK makes it near impossible to make an individuals voice heard as it's drown out by the parties rivalry for electoral votes.

If a person doesn't fit into certain steroetypes they are not listened to, those steroetypes being a kind of demographic model of the voting electorate. The problem with this model is it's biased, the problem with the parties using this model is they only care for those that give them political clout where there actual job is suppose to consider all options.

For instance if I had a problem as a none voter (not voting is a form of protesting against the inability to have either a fair policy driven system, where a persons vote is on a policy rather than party) any problems I have an try to raise to the local or overall government falls upon deaf ears. Since I don't belong to any party, I have no party representative to turn to and turning to representatives of parties that I don't fit into the demographic model of again proves that whats said falls upon deaf ears.

I've decided that its long enough of allowing this corrupt party driven system to dictate to how the countries run just to line their own pockets and am now considering how to go about the creation of a new opposing "Party" which will only exist until it creates a completely free democracy where "the people" can vote upon and make the Policies of that the state follows, with full public disclosure of how everything from that point is run.

To put it as simply as possible, the policy is thus:
Through Television, Radio, Papers and the Internet it would be possible to identify what policies need to be addressed. It would be possible from there for people to have a "Forum", discuss, Debate and search for overall evidence to support how a policy should be handled.

The policy is then voted on for a duration of time (a week or two) by all those that are eligible to vote. The attendance to voting on a policy actually goes towards lessening your overall yearly taxation.

The emphasis is rather than using a system of Negative taxis's where "you could be fined for not voting", you are granted a Positive Taxis for turning out and voting. This positive insentive is just a factor on lessening taxation, or increasing benefit entitlements if only by a small about. The fact remains you'd rather be rewarded with something than kicked in the gutt.

Those that don't vote would be taxed at the Standard taxation rate for their income, They don't get a reward and there is no imposing of fines for not voting.

One the voting period is over the policy is adopted on the whole.

There are still considerations that need to be made about the overall running of a country (if only hypothetically) for instance a system run with no heirarchy, no head of state would mean public addressing of leaders from other countries with our own country, this would mean they wouldn't have the ability to do deals behind the scenes and would be scrutinized not just by us but by their own republicanised government (where the people still vote on parties etc)

This is a preportion of the overall Full Public Disclosure of how the country/system runs.

I suppose you can say the reason I've posted here is I'm looking for aid from people in the UK to develop this system further, to make it more than a pipedream and to turn it into a realistic goal with of course extra development in those areas that currently might seem weakly founded.

I've already got a name for the party, admittedly to some it might seem a little O.T.T, however it just happens to be a domain name I have for use. The Revered Party (revered.org.uk) currently I haven't even started on an actual site, as being a lone individual it's a mammoth task.

For sometime I've been pondering over whether one person can actual make a difference.

Nope, they can't! It's pretty much as simple as that. Without the support of hundreds of thousands of avid suppporters, one person is nothing more than a person yelling on a street corner.

Gandhi and others like him couldn't have accomplished shit until he had thousands of avid supporters and he didn't accomplish that alone, believe me.

If you're willing to put in the same effort as Gandhi, you stand a chance ....maybe something like a snowball's chance in hell, but a chance, nevertheless.

Are you willing to give up everything in your life for your cause? If not, forget it.

Baron Max

Nope, they can't! It's pretty much as simple as that. Without the support of hundreds of thousands of avid suppporters, one person is nothing more than a person yelling on a street corner.

That's part of the whole "one person makes a difference". It's word of mouth and all that. Take one person, then they convince another who convinces another, who convinves 5 more who convinces, blah blah blah..

So long as the original person is charismatic or at least knows what they're talking about and presents a lot of facts and whatnot to get the ball rolling, it'll only multiply from there so long as those people he convinces are willing to do so rather than be lazy bastards.

- N

So long as the original person is charismatic or at least knows what they're talking about and presents a lot of facts and whatnot to get the ball rolling, it'll only multiply from there so long as those people he convinces are willing to do so rather than be lazy bastards.

Ahh, yes .....and thus you've hit on the major stumbling block of "...one person making a difference".

Gandhi was, what, a thousand years old when his message finally got through to a few peope? And yet India still has many major problems, do it?

Baron Max

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Gandhi was, what, a thousand years old when his message finally got through to a few peope? And yet India still has many major problems, do it?

A thousand years old? Gandhi, or Buddha?

And of course India still has problems as no country or people is perfect. However, things would be a helluva lot worse without either Gandhi or Buddha (regardless of who you're referring to) doing what they did.

- N

As Hitler said, you only make a difference in the social groups who you can effectively communicate with. If you want to make a big difference, take over the media. As far as one person making a difference alone, who would believe that?

One person? Alone? Never.
But one person who can find the ear of the masses and say what thousands are already thinking... thats another story.

However, things would be a helluva lot worse without either Gandhi or Buddha (regardless of who you're referring to) doing what they did.

Would have been worse?? And how are you to know that? How can you possibly say that when you have no idea what it MIGHT have been? That's the same thing as making idiotic predictions of the future!

If Gandhi hadn't come along, maybe something even better would have happened ....you ain't got no fuckin' idea what would have happened ....so please don't pretend that you do.

Baron Max

Yes.

example: Gandhi.

Yes. example: Gandhi.

The "difference" was not made by Gandhi, it was made because of the vast numerical support that he had ...Gandhi didn't make the difference HIMSELF! Not as a lone individual. I would also question even that he, himself, gathered all of those people behind him .....methinks he probably had a lot of help in the form of "disciples" or such underlings.

No, a single individual can't make a difference in the world.

Baron Max

Without Gandhi there would have been a difference.

So one person made a difference.

Without Gandhi there would have been a difference.

Did you mean:"Without Gandhi, there would have NOT been a difference."?

If so, how can you know that? You're making assumptions based on virtually nothing but your own opinions of what MIGHT have been. That's no different to making predictions of the future based on little or no factual info. You simply don't know, can't know, yet you make statements as if you do. That ain't nice, is it?

Had Gandhi not come along, something else might have sparked the same or similar changes ....in fact, if he hadn't come along, things might have even been better!! See? You can't know .....so try not to make those statements as if you do.

Baron Max

Did you mean:"Without Gandhi, there would have NOT been a difference."?

If so, how can you know that? You're making assumptions based on virtually nothing but your own opinions of what MIGHT have been.

you too.


That's no different to making predictions of the future based on little or no factual info. You simply don't know, can't know, yet you make statements as if you do. That ain't nice, is it?

You too.

Had Gandhi not come along, something else might have sparked the same or similar changes ....in fact, if he hadn't come along, things might have even been better!!
No. He left a mark on the world and especially on India.


See? You can't know


Yes, I can. You have only proven that you can't know.

i know who gandhi is, and he has made a difference in the way i see colonial imperialism.

that means he has made a difference, regardless of how small.

Baron Max also made a difference to the world.

He made me love jesus again.

i know who gandhi is, and he has made a difference in the way i see colonial imperialism.

that means he has made a difference, regardless of how small.


In what way, Devil?

Baron Max also made a difference to the world.

Actually, while having coffee just now, I got to thinking .....which I don't do very fuckin' often ...but....

In the same way as Spurious mentioned in his post earlier, and using the same logic, everyone on Earth has made a difference in some way, regardless of how large or smalll.

I.e., if Spurious hadn't been born, his mother would have gone to school, learned bio-chemistry, then found a cure for cancers and heart disease and the common cold. So, see, if we view things like Spurious does, ......?

Oh, and how can I know that? Hey, like Spurious says, ....I just know!

Baron Max

No, a single individual can't make a difference in the world.
Baron Max
Did Hitler make a difference? How about Alexander, Ceasar, or George Washington? One man can make a difference. To quote Andrew Jackson:
"One man with courage makes a majority."
The right man in the right place can make all the difference. Can he do everything himself? Of course not.

I seriously doubt there would be a United States today were it not for George Washington. And were he a different sort of man, we might well have become simply another monarchy.

Were it not for Hitler, we'd have a lot more Jews, there'd be no state of Israel, perhaps the nuclear bomb wouldn't have been invented.

How about the guy who killed archduke Frans Ferdinand and set off WW1? Without that, we might not have had WW1. Without WW1, there might have been no WW2. The whole history of the world from that point on might be completely different.

One man can make a huge difference.

Actually, while having coffee just now, I got to thinking .....which I don't do very fuckin' often ...but....

In the same way as Spurious mentioned in his post earlier, and using the same logic, everyone on Earth has made a difference in some way, regardless of how large or smalll.
That was very nice logic, absolutely top stuff, but unfortunately it was The Devil Inside's post ... he just has the same avatar as Spurious.

I.e., if Spurious hadn't been born, his mother would have gone to school, learned bio-chemistry, then found a cure for cancers and heart disease and the common cold. So, see, if we view things like Spurious does, ......?

My mother worked for a living.

My mother worked for a living.

That's because she fucked up and got pregnant with YOU!! If you'd not been born, she'd have done all those wonderful things and saved mankind from cancer. So you, Spurious, made a difference ......just being born! ...LOL!

Baron Max

In what way, Devil?
what do you mean?

what do you mean?

Did Gandhi make you think differently about colonialism?

(Have you read "My Experiments With Truth"?)

Humans are a social species. We do our best work, including that of "making a difference," in groups. In general we're highly suspicious of people who attempt to operate outside of a group. We sense unconsciously that they are suppressing their social instinct.

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That's because she fucked up and got pregnant with YOU!! If you'd not been born, she'd have done all those wonderful things and saved mankind from cancer. So you, Spurious, made a difference ......just being born! ...LOL!

Baron Max

I was the third child. And she was already working at 15 in the textile mill because back in those days poor people didn't go to school. They worked.

Did Gandhi make you think differently about colonialism?

(Have you read "My Experiments With Truth"?)
yeah he did...haha!!!

gandhi represents everything that americans wish they were:
1. he was educated.
2. he was intelligent, his education aside.
3. he had an extremely centrist moral compass.
4. he appealed to everyone around him.
5. he was pivotal in bringing happiness to the nation he lived in.

he proved to me that it doesnt matter who you are, or where you live...you can bring it all down, if "it" isnt a just, rational system.

gandhi represents a giant middle finger to corporate interests. corporate interests are "the empire" today.

of course ive read "my experiments with truth"! gandhi is my political model, pretty much.

yeah he did...haha!!!

gandhi represents everything that americans wish they were:
1. he was educated.
2. he was intelligent, his education aside.
3. he had an extremely centrist moral compass.
4. he appealed to everyone around him.
5. he was pivotal in bringing happiness to the nation he lived in.

he proved to me that it doesnt matter who you are, or where you live...you can bring it all down, if "it" isnt a just, rational system.

gandhi represents a giant middle finger to corporate interests. corporate interests are "the empire" today.

of course ive read "my experiments with truth"! gandhi is my political model, pretty much.

Mine too. :)

STRYDER....


YES... one man... or woman... can change everything. LIKE Joan of Arc.
she was just a small girl... in medievil europe....
her entire country ywas occupied by the english.
and her leader... her king... was a wimp.

she made it happen... she picked up the sword and lead the armys.

she.. had faith.

the first thing you will need... is total faith... in yourself.. and mission.

and the second thing... is complete commitment to your cause.

if you have those two things... you have potential, and can make it happen.


and if you need help... i might be able to assist you.. depending on what your personnal goals are... i.e... what kind of change?


-MT

If a person doesn't fit into certain steroetypes they are not listened to...

Pish! History is composed of people who didn't fit the given stereotype, didn't conform to expectation, didn't either do or think as they were told...

Disenfranchisement isn't a disadvantage - it's a requisite as far as posterity is concerned.

The future of government, I believe, rests in the internet. We no longer need senators and congressmen who don't really represent the people, they only represent themselves and their business expidentures. Here in America, we have enough computers and internet connections that we as a people could vote on every single bill and law that comes through, with absolutely no corruptable "leverage-able" person in a powerful position. If every man were to hold an "electoral vote" in his government, we would no longer have a corruptable government, unless some one could dish out enough cash and threats to corrupt an entire nation of CITIZEN-POLITICIANS.

Rollen out!

The future of government, I believe, rests in the internet. We no longer need senators and congressmen who don't really represent the people, they only represent themselves and their business expidentures. Here in America, we have enough computers and internet connections that we as a people could vote on every single bill and law that comes through, with absolutely no corruptable "leverage-able" person in a powerful position. If every man were to hold an "electoral vote" in his government, we would no longer have a corruptable government, unless some one could dish out enough cash and threats to corrupt an entire nation of CITIZEN-POLITICIANS.

Rollen out!

THATS A BAD IDEA..... cause.. if you use this forum for example..
most people... dont think for themselves...

and can not... ever be counted on to read more than ONE PAGE.

if they are presented with a 3 page arguement... they will simply turn to other smaller texts... giving summary arguements.

they wont apply the effort.

we need dedicated representative to actually read the shit... and who ocare about the wellbeing of the people.... which is the hard part.
finding honest people who will go into politics.

people like.... maybe you.

-MT

an entire nation of CITIZEN-POLITICIANS.
An entire nation of greasy, lying, actor-bureaucrats? Ouch... :p

Humans are a social species. We do our best work, including that of "making a difference," in groups. In general we're highly suspicious of people who attempt to operate outside of a group. We sense unconsciously that they are suppressing their social instinct.
Maybe it depends on the area of work, but I read in a biography of physicist Richard Feynman that his least productive years were those during which he tried to keep up with the rest of the crowd in physics, rather than forging his own path. On the other hand, according to The Elegant Universe, Einstein sort of fell out of physics as quantum mechanics grew and was still trying to unify gravity and electromagnetism while the foundations were being laid to unify electromagnetism and two new forces. So too much isolation or too little can be problematic...