Uranium was used against Civilians
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The original article seems to have been confiscated, please find more info and post it here if U have a heart left in that body of yours.

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No!

Uranium was used against Civilians

Way to go, Mr. worry-wart. That article is VERY misleading in it's claims about the use of DU in munitions. In fact, it's use is primarily limited to anti-tank rounds and bunker bombs. It is NOT used in pretty much everything else mentioned.

And the article doesn't even support the stupid title you put on this thread.

Dumb. Just plain dumb.

Way to go, Mr. worry-wart. That article is VERY misleading in it's claims about the use of DU in munitions. In fact, it's use is primarily limited to anti-tank rounds and bunker bombs. It is NOT used in pretty much everything else mentioned.

And the article doesn't even support the stupid title you put on this thread.

Dumb. Just plain dumb.


Please tell me what's misleading about this:Just about all American bullets, tank shells, missiles, dumb bombs, smart bombs, 500 and 2,000-
pound bombs, cruise missiles, and anything else engineered to help our side in the war of us against
them has depleted uranium in it. Lots of depleted uranium.

Now, whether this is true or not is yet to be seen. If it is, there is no excuse for it.

There should be some action taken against this:

If the action to be taken involves terrorism against innocent people, then the answer is a 'definite' no.

If we can build pressure on the US government to take action, that is the best way. The best way to build pressure on the US government is to win the hearts of the American people. They support action against terrorists not against Iraqis.

There are ways to bring those who did this to the books through the legal or diplomatic process.

I can see this as a fall out of Islamic terrorism that Iraq has had to bear the brunt of. The US government has been able to get away with its atrocities on the people of Iraq only because of the hatred that Islamic world has generated in the general public's eyes. But I guess most people are still objective about this and feel for the Iraqis.

Way to go, Mr. worry-wart. That article is VERY misleading in it's claims about the use of DU in munitions. In fact, it's use is primarily limited to anti-tank rounds and bunker bombs. It is NOT used in pretty much everything else mentioned.

And the article doesn't even support the stupid title you put on this thread.

Dumb. Just plain dumb. U may be an American but dont degrade yourself further. read this carefully http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20060129&articleId=1845

Please tell me what's misleading about this:

Now, whether this is true or not is yet to be seen. If it is, there is no excuse for it.
It's grossly misleading because it isn't true. DU is not used in "bullets, missiles, smart bombs, dumb bombs, 500 and 2,000-pound bombs ( which is nothing more than a repeat of "dumb bombs" just to lenghten the list and make it look worse), cruise missiles (yet another repeat of "missiles" to strech the list again)." "And anything else engineered..."

As I said earlier, it's primary use is in anti-tank rounds and bunker-buster bombs. It has no application in standard munitions.

Those statements are complete lies made up by some scare-monger trying to make things seem MUCH worse than they really are. And the targets are military - not civilian as the dummy claims in his thread title. Anom is much like Duendy - just enough (a tiny bit) of knowledge to fall for this kind of misinformation.

Do just a little research on DU and it's uses/applications and you'll quickly see what I mean.

U may be an American but dont degrade yourself further. read this carefully http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20060129&articleId=1845
You poor, ignorant dolt!

That article just barely mentions DU and nothing at all in the context you're trying to push here. Yes, it's being used - in exactly the application I stated and NOT in all the rest of the munitions.

Do you even know what DU is and what it's used for? A little quick research on your part will save YOU from continuing to degrade yourself .

It's grossly misleading because it isn't true. DU is not used in "bullets, missiles, smart bombs, dumb bombs, 500 and 2,000-pound bombs ( which is nothing more than a repeat of "dumb bombs" just to lenghten the list and make it look worse), cruise missiles (yet another repeat of "missiles" to strech the list again)." "And anything else engineered..."....
I feel pity for U Americans, U people are so Dangerous.

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of course. they deny deny deny,and meanwhile are destroying Planet Earth for life......they are evil. an evil machine

of course. they deny deny deny,and meanwhile are destroying Planet Earth for life......they are evil. an evil machine
Stay out of it, Duendy. You are absolutely the most brain-dead and stupidest individual on these forums!!!! Stick to your LSD and mushroom trips and leave sensible people alone.

I feel pity for U Americans, U people are so Dangerous.

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And do you suppose the information you just posted came from a completely unbiased source????

Light:

And do you suppose the information you just posted came from a completely unbiased source????

Poisoning the well fallacy. No source is completely unbiased, and you know it.

Attack the argument, not the man.

Light:

Poisoning the well fallacy. No source is completely unbiased, and you know it.

Attack the argument, not the man.
Agreed. :)

My point is simply the credibility of the source. For instance, you can pretty well discount most of what Duendy says because she has almost no credibility. Occasionally she'll get something right - and as I've said, even a blind squirrel will find a nut once in a while.

Coming back to the primary objective here, the source he quoted is highly opposed to anything that even remotely mentions the words "nuclear" or "atomic." I've read several of their articles, primarily for the humor of their illogical and heavily biased approach. (And note the difference between just being biased and heavily biased.) In one article a couple of years ago, they were campaigning against ALL X-ray usage, CAT and MRI scans. The reason? They all employ "dangerous radiation." (Would you call that attitude simply biased and reasonable?)

Stay out of it, Duendy. You are absolutely the most brain-dead and stupidest individual on these forums!!!! Stick to your LSD and mushroom trips and leave sensible people alone.

if you spoke to me like that face to face, i'd rip yer fukin head off.
now ypu claaat. you ignorfukin amous. you are the most complete utter fool i have EVER met at any forum. maybe u deserve some kind of a medal, like maybe a old do turd round yer neck....you stupid old professor fuk. hurry up and die

if you spoke to me like that face to face, i'd rip yer fukin head off.
now ypu claaat. you ignorfukin amous. you are the most complete utter fool i have EVER met at any forum. maybe u deserve some kind of a medal, like maybe a old do turd round yer neck....you stupid old professor fuk. hurry up and die
Not a chance, Duendy. The way you rant and rave, you'll either have a stroke or overdose on your "wonderful" drugs. Either way, you'll expire long befor I do. :D

And do you suppose the information you just posted came from a completely unbiased source????

The Anti-Nuclear Alliance of Western Australia,

robin @ anawa.org.au

I wonder if Light is aware about how many innocent Iraqi people died in 2003 and past 16 years, all with the help of evil American taxpayers.

The Anti-Nuclear Alliance of Western Australia,

robin @ anawa.org.au
Yes, I know very well. Did you read the post where I mentioned another of their articles I had read? Obviously not or you wouldn't have posted this.

I wonder if Light is aware about how many innocent Iraqi people died in 2003 and past 16 years, all with the help of evil American taxpayers.
Sorry, dummy, but at this point I honestly don't care how many. And any numbers you could come up with are probably greatly inflated anyway.

Sorry, dummy, but at this point I honestly don't care how many. And any numbers you could come up with are probably greatly inflated anyway.
happen to YOU u old fuck!

happen to YOU u old fuck!
Wow, very intelligent response!

Wow, very intelligent response!
you sad old git. porfessor...hah. wish i knew where you taught and i PROMISEyu fool, i would let your people know exactly what you are like. IF you are even telling thetruth that is.
you miserable excuse for a human being. witout ANY humour, wit, charm or intelligence. and callous and indifferent to others suffering. shame on you. you really should go crawl and hide u shite

you sad old git. porfessor...hah. wish i knew where you taught and i PROMISEyu fool, i would let your people know exactly what you are like. IF you are even telling thetruth that is.
you miserable excuse for a human being. witout ANY humour, wit, charm or intelligence. and callous and indifferent to others suffering. shame on you. you really should go crawl and hide u shite
Shows just how little can be picked up through the internet and just how perceptive you aren't anyway. I've made several public addresses at high schools, and civic clubs including the Toastmasters and already have two scheduled late this month and one the first of March.

My audiences are quite appreciative and seem to always enjoy themselves. That's the reason I keep getting repeat invitations.

Unlike you, Duendy, these are intelligent people and I'm quite different talking to them as compared to having these little spats with you. I appreciate intelligence and have nothing but disdain for the likes of you. Fools.

When Iraq was Invaded the battle fields were the cities full of civilians, we have seen all that didnt we ? Innocent civilians butchered.

I take a oath today, I will personally see that the Criminals are punished. 10 20 years It doesnt matter.

Bloody Americans, blood all over there nations, soaked driping with Innocent human blood.

Ladies and Gentelmen the DEVIL has Arrived.

When Iraq was Invaded the battle fields were the cities full of civilians, we have seen all that didnt we ? Innocent civilians butchered.

I take a oath today, I will personally see that the Criminals are punished. 10 20 years It doesnt matter.
And just how do you propose to do that , you impotent coot?

Shows just how little can be picked up through the internet and just how perceptive you aren't anyway. I've made several public addresses at high schools, and civic clubs including the Toastmasters and already have two scheduled late this month and one the first of March.

me)))))well yeah. tis seems to be theorder of these truly pathetic times. people hiring idiots to 'address'....mrs Cherie Blair springs to mind........well dickface. let me know te places and i will inform them what a vile vile git you are. bet with them your all over them and up their arse aren't ya? ya slimy so and so

My audiences are quite appreciative and seem to always enjoy themselves. That's the reason I keep getting repeat invitations.

me))hah can just see your audiences. clone idiots types like yerself

Unlike you, Duendy, these are intelligent people and I'm quite different talking to them as compared to having these little spats with you. I appreciate intelligence and have nothing but disdain for the likes of you. Fools.

what is so tragic bout you mate is your age. that an old man should be sooo childish and obnoxiious with not one IOTAof insight, seemingly about ANYthing. all yur good at is insulting people who dont agree wid yur fascist principles. your life has been a total waste of time

what is so tragic bout you mate is your age. that an old man should be sooo childish and obnoxiious with not one IOTAof insight, seemingly about ANYthing. all yur good at is insulting people who dont agree wid yur fascist principles. your life has been a total waste of time
oh yeah...and yo ain that hot insulting people neither. havehad MUCH better creative anatgonists

oh yeah...and yo ain that hot insulting people neither. havehad MUCH better creative anatgonists
What do you mean, insult? I haven't even tried to insult you - all I've done is tell the truth about you.

Bloody Americans, blood all over there nations, soaked driping with Innocent human blood.

Ladies and Gentelmen the DEVIL has Arrived.


Have fun ruining your life. :m:

Have fun ruining your life. :m: What else is left in it after US air raids killed my family.

What do you mean, insult? I haven't even tried to insult you - all I've done is tell the truth about you.
look professor idiot. to intuit truth about others u got to explore it about yourself. you haven't. otherwise you'd know what a stupid miserable beligerant old fart ya is. then you would have a realization and cringe and hopefuly go and never be seen nor heard of agin....raaaas claaat

What else is left in it after US air raids killed my family.


Doubt it.

Doubt it.Clearly U live in a era where there is still CNN and BBC. I feel sorry for your obliviouty

http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=51742

Clearly U live in a era where there is still CNN and BBC. I feel sorry for your obliviouty

http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=51742

So the death of your family ( :rolleyes: ) was reported by some other news agency? Link it please. Your family wasn't killed, why would you even make up a story like that?

As for the thread you just linked, I have no idea what relevance that had.

So the death of your family ( :rolleyes: ) was reported by some other news agency? Link it please. Your family wasn't killed, why would you even make up a story like that? To spread the awarness, of what it feels like to have you mom dad brother sister children wife blowup by attack meant to grab out national oil. So do U think I should start my Jehad against USA to wipe it out of world map ?

As for the thread you just linked, I have no idea what relevance that had. MisInformed

for someone who has lost his children your response to the murder of two innocent teenagers by Iran was unforgiveable! Perhaps you should ask the mother or father whose sons those two were --- how they felt about losing their son so brutally!

those who deny others justice should not ask such for themselves.

for someone who has lost his children your response to the murder of two innocent teenagers by Iran was unforgiveable! Perhaps you should ask the mother or father whose sons those two were --- how they felt about losing their son so brutally!
Get over it dude, thoes statements of mine were a probe in your mind. I use U humans as specimen, I got what I was looking for in that thread.

I use U humans as specimen,
:rolleyes:

"Originally Posted by Anomalous
I use U humans as specimen,"

No no dont worry too much, unlike humans I dont use them for medical testing or weapons effects testings, I just use them to understand what they think. This is beneficial to them because I give them many ideas out of that for free, i.e. only the constructive ideas.

- Humanologist.

Well i voted for the last one.

@Anomalous

But i do agree that the poll is misleading, in war many horrendous acts occur, and are overlooked, its all very well gobbing off about types of munition used, but that wont really ake a difference.

Tell me, were you voting against the war, were you doing everything you could do to show that you were against the war even being an option in the first place? Because if the answer is no to any of these questions, then you have no real 'right' (used in a lose sense) in protesting about the outcome of the war, which many people failed to stop.

though it sounds like im entirely against your argument and your point of view, im not.To an extent i do agree.

:m:

...Tell me, were you voting against the war, were you doing everything you could do to show that you were against the war even being an option in the first place? ... I was trying to shoot president bush, but the damn guards got me.

Wait, isn't there a reason depleted uranium is called that...isn't because it's...radioactivity is depleted...
:p

Besides, all's fair in love, war, business, and hunting.

I was trying to shoot president bush, but the damn guards got me.

:) you know i had the same trouble!


:m:

Wait, isn't there a reason depleted uranium is called that...isn't because it's...radioactivity is depleted.... Ya, why dont U have it for your breakfast to prove it.

:) you know i had the same trouble!


:m: Oh U mean U too were trying to take his pictures ?

Just about all American bullets, tank shells, missiles, dumb bombs, smart bombs, 500 and 2,000-
pound bombs, cruise missiles, and anything else engineered to help our side in the war of us against
them has depleted uranium in it. Lots of depleted uranium.

If this were true, wouldn't there be an unusually large amount of radiation sickness among US soldiers? Handling bullets with radioactive material in them sounds like something that would leave an obvious trail of evidence sooner or later.
Just my guess, though.

I feel pity for U Americans, U people are so Dangerous.


Really? You feel pity for the people that you said should be bombed while eating their BigMacs because their tax dollars are paying for a war that they didn't start, and can't stop?

Really, Anomalous, you're too much! ;)

Besides, all's fair in love, war, business, and hunting.
Even terrorism?

When I see this statement in the context of positive masculinity --- in the past all masculine traditions --- whether in the west (Greeks) or in the East (Samurais or others!) were a great sticklers for fair play. Fair play and sticking to the rules is an important part of positive masculinity.

Real men were supposed to lay down their lives, but not go against the rules of figthing.

It was only after the Christian/ Islamic religions came who forced out positive masculinity from our civilisation and taught that any hook or crook method to get what you seek is justified, that the west developed an idiom like "everything is fair in love and war". But I don't think it is so!

Even terrorism?

When I see this statement in the context of positive masculinity --- in the past all masculine traditions --- whether in the west (Greeks) or in the East (Samurais or others!) were a great sticklers for fair play. Fair play and sticking to the rules is an important part of positive masculinity.

Real men were supposed to lay down their lives, but not go against the rules of figthing.

It was only after the Christian/ Islamic religions came who disowned positive masculinity and taught that any hook or crook method to get what you seek is justified, that the west developed an idiom like "everything is fair in love and war". But I don't think it is!
Ahh, yes. Here comes Buddha again - sticking his thoughts of positive/negative masculinity into yet another unrelated topic.

See? He finds his sexual-identity crisis everywhere he looks. :rolleyes:

If this were true, wouldn't there be an unusually large amount of radiation sickness among US soldiers? Handling bullets with radioactive material in them sounds like something that would leave an obvious trail of evidence sooner or later.
Just my guess, though.

THEY ARE, as so are their CHILdren, who suffer genetic damge due to the radiation poisoning of the male sperm
i haveother sources, but check this for now:
Deception Over Health Risks of Deleted Uranium http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0201-01.htm

Really? You feel pity for the people that you said should be bombed while eating their BigMacs because their tax dollars are paying for a war that they didn't start, and can't stop?

Really, Anomalous, you're too much! ;) They could have stopped and They didnt stop, its called Democracy, they should have stormed in the whitehouse and pentagon by millions; But no instead they chose to reVote for Bush.

I said Enough !

THEY ARE, as so are their CHILdren, who suffer genetic damge due to the radiation poisoning of the male sperm
i haveother sources, but check this for now:
Deception Over Health Risks of Deleted Uranium http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0201-01.htm
Ya and he thinks Americans will not take care to handle that evil without hands.

At least the votes show there is some hope left for humanity.

Ahh, yes. Here comes Buddha again - sticking his thoughts of positive/negative masculinity into yet another unrelated topic.

See? He finds his sexual-identity crisis everywhere he looks. :rolleyes:
Caught ya! I said nothing about sexuality here......so you are in fact obsessed with bringing up sexuality when dealing with my posts!

I don't know who is in crisis, going by the way the so-called heterosexuals are organising themselves into a movement ( :rolleyes: ) it seems some other group is going through a severe identity crisis! :cool:

Caught ya! I said nothing about sexuality here......so you are in fact obsessed with bringing up sexuality when dealing with my posts!

I don't know who is in crisis, going by the way the so-called heterosexuals are organising themselves into a movement ( :rolleyes: ) it seems some other group is going through a severe identity crisis! :cool:
Oh, I see. You don't consider "masculinity" a facet of sexual differentiation?

I wonder why I'm not surprised...

Light you're crazy......I don't want to ruin anomalous's thread with this discussion otherwise he will start complaining (and reasonably) so stop this here.

Ya, why dont U have it for your breakfast to prove it.
1. It's spelled "you". Get an education and get it right.

2. Because DU is still uranium- a metal. It's not going to be very chewy, and thus not a good breakfast. Waffles are what I prefer.

1. It's spelled "you". Get an education and get it right.

2. Because DU is still uranium- a metal. It's not going to be very chewy, and thus not a good breakfast. Waffles are what I prefer. how about some capsules of DU.

Still no. Uranium itself doesn't have all of the necessary minerals and materials for a good breakfast.
Besides, I'm guessing it would have a metally taste. I stand by my waffle.

Still no. Uranium itself doesn't have all of the necessary minerals and materials for a good breakfast.
Besides, I'm guessing it would have a metally taste. I stand by my waffle.Right, Feel good to poke through Iraqi people but U cant eat it

So you're saying we shouldn't use DU as a projectile because why?
Hell, lead is more dangerous than Depleted Uranium, but that's the common bullet material.

So you're saying we shouldn't use DU as a projectile because why?
Hell, lead is more dangerous than Depleted Uranium, but that's the common bullet material.
have you read ANY of the articles anomalous has linked you too?

DU is about as poisonous as lead. Not pleasant, but neither is eating old paint chips. If we are going to ban it, why not ban lead bullets as well. Lead is ~eeeevil~.

DU is about as poisonous as lead. Not pleasant, but neither is eating old paint chips. If we are going to ban it, why not ban lead bullets as well. Lead is ~eeeevil~.
so you say. why tho should we believe you. you and professor shite-lite seem to only just go 'ohhhh no it isn't---ohhh no it isn't' that. what te fuks that? show some piggin evidence for your assertions man, so we can examine it! this is extremely serious shit!

Fuck, even if DU were more poisonous than lead- wouldn't that just make it a better weapon? Thus, better bullet material?

People actually hit by a shell from a tank, DU or not, usually don't have do worry about any poisonous aftereffects.

And Duendy, why don't you put away your ranting and fetch some precise lab measurements on DU yourself.

Fuck, even if DU were more poisonous than lead- wouldn't that just make it a better weapon? Thus, better bullet material?
is that how deep you are going to go with this serious issue? aren't you even ashamed to put that OUT..??!

Oh U mean U too were trying to take his pictures ?

Yer, but the light wasnt right!

Everything Ive read from the US govt claims that DU in the way it is used is not dangerous.

I have personally had experience with DU, so why don't I enlighten some of the less educated among us?

Depleted Uraniam (DU) is created through the purification process of natural uraniam. Natural Uraniam is made of 99.2% U-238, a relatively stable isotope of uranium The rest is made of U-235, which when struck be by a nuetron has a tendency to split and create a chain reaction i.e. you regular nuclear explosion. Depleted Uranium products are made of of U-238.

DU is highly prized as a military weapon for two reasons: 1. It is extremely dense, in fact it is two and a half times as dense stainless steel. When fired, or droppped, or shot, or whatever, it maintains more speed because of it's higher weight due to inertia. The other reason is that Uranium is pyrophoric, which means like magnesium or aluminum, it burns. So when it lances through something heavy, like tank armor, it creates a spalling effect which will kill those inside the armoured vehicle in question, and most likely ignite any ordnance inside, causing a catausrophic explosion.

As to it's health effects, it is still partially dangerous, because it contains miniscule amounts of U-235. However, it is minimal compared taking a long distance flight over polar regions. In fact, a days exposure on the beach is more dangerous in terms of millirads exposure. Radiation exposure is not the biggest problem associated with DU. It is the inhalation of Uraniam Oxide. There have been a few stories I have heard about where tankers in the ODS (Operation Desert Storm) who climbed inside Iraqi tanks after destroying them with sabot rounds (A tank round which uses a sub-caliber dart of DU), and later got lung cancer. However, considering the location of most tank battles in ODS, where most if not all of the rounds containing DU were used, it is highly unlikely that higher lung cancer rates are caused by DU exposure. It is an accepted fact that for many years during the 70s, 80s, and early 90's , Saddam Huessien had manufactured and used chemical weapons inside Iraq's borders. Now there is no OSHA in Iraq, nor is there an EPA. It is highly likely that a fair amount of chemicals, were released into the surronding environment. Long-term, low-dose chemical weapons exposure causes many of the same effects as DU exposure. It is quite possible that higher cancer rates have been caused by chemical weapons exposure.

Now can I justify the use of DU againts civilians? The answer is no I cannot, because I highly doubt that it has happened. To answer this question, I must determine what you mean by civilians. Do you mean innocent bystanders, terrorists dressed up like civilians, former soldiers who are now civilians, or just any Iraqi in general. Considering the conent of your posts, I would guess that you meant any Iraqi who has been killed in Iraq. So let's analyse the issue. I doubt that DU rounds play any major part in combat operations in Iraq. This is beacuse their use is somehat limited. Sabots are designed to be used against armored vehicles. Not a whole lot of those involved on the terrorist side. They will "over-penatrate" any other object. That means you will get a couple of holes the size of a silver dollar and not much else, simply due to a sabot's high speed and lack of explosives. Also, sabots are expensive to build and maintain. It is cheaper to build a more effective high-explosive weapon which will do more. In an insuregency, DU is overkill. It actually is more dangerous because it will not stop with killing a single person. It will usually pass through the person and damage or kill whatever is behind the person. Simply put, DU rounds are too effective for urban combat, and cause more trouble than they're worth. Now if you are trying to argue the whole collateral damage as a result of ODS and the tank battles at the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom, then you may be correct that DU has harmed civilians, but take a look at how many people Saddam Huessien has murder, raped, and tortured over his 30 year reign of terror, it becomes clear that the war in Iraq saved more Iraqi lives than it cost. If you just are completely are against the war, and are just trying to find something else persuade people, that my post will probably not change your mind. But I'd like to think I've at least educated the people to the facts of the situation rather than somones under-informed opinion.