Please see this article (http://www.innovations-report.de/html/berichte/medizin_gesundheit/bericht-27071.html).
It seems that new retroviruses have been transfered into humans from wild primates. I won't repeat the article, read it yourselves, but I have a proposal ->
Exterminate all wild primates on this planet for the common good of humankind.
It seems that these viruses are so powerful exactly because the other primates are so close related to us, we have a DNA difference of just ~3% with some. I think it will be a lot safer world without these other species and they really aren't that valuable, we are the most successful product of the primate evolution.
Besides they look ugly..

Or have you any other good medical solution to this problem?

Wow, I didn't know monkeys were food... Anyways, I guess we become what some of us eat (I noted the reference to HIV as well).

Extermination of monkeys is not consistent with our studious goals. Besides, I bet they're somehow necessary in their ecosystems, aside from feeding some Africans. Remember, we want to preserve different kinds of animals now.

Extermination of monkeys is not consistent with our studious goals.
What goals are they? I think being safe and alive is more important.
Besides, I bet they're somehow necessary in their ecosystems, aside from feeding some Africans.
Who cares about Africa? There are no monkeys in Europe.
Remember, we want to preserve different kinds of animals now.
Yeah, me too //points finger at himself.

I think a better solution would be to stop eating primates. They're weird food anyways.

Well, why not use them in scientific experiments instead of poor little mice? (There probably is a reason, but eh....) Also, a roach who lives closer to you and inevitably drops his waste in your room carries enough stuff to leave monkeys in Africa alone at least for now.

To preserve your dear self.... You should lock yourself in a special bubble until they discover a way to immortality. Ever seen the movie about that bubble boy? He was sexy.

Why do you love those monkeys so much? :bugeye: Having sex with monkeys can transfer these viruses too.
I say: kill 'em all and make world a safer place for all humans!
Think of homo sapiens children!! /grins

We don't have sex with actual monkeys. I don't love them. I love and hate everything equally. Offer more reasonable evidence in your defence.

The homo sapiens children I like least. Your appeal to my humanity is pointless.

Why not just let every lowlife who is scummy enough to eat an ape die a horrible painful death? :confused:
Is that a problem?
Are we really going to miss "ape eaters"?
Imagine sally struthers trying to make us feel sorry for sick and dieing ape eaters, it would be impossible. They made their bed and now they can sleep in it the filthy ape eating fucks.

Exterminate all wild primates on this planet for the common good of humankind.

Idiot.

Why not just let every lowlife who is scummy enough to eat an ape die a horrible painful death?

Also an idiot.<P>

Oh right, "won't somebody please think of those guys who eat apes?".
Give me a break, what's next? Pedophiles?
Worried the tight asses of the children might chafe their poor sensative penii?

I know how to solve the whole disease problem. How about, we quit all contact with people? Run away from all monkey-cow-chicken-eating humans, and let them rot in their misery.

Get rid of all contageous humans.... Ha, the earth is so overpopulated each country should voluntarily dispose of 10-50% of its populace (chosen at random, to prevent discrimination).I'd exclude dear Latvia but I recalled they usually have tuberculosis (or some other serious coughing illness) outbreaks in winters.

People are eating monkeys because they are poor. New roads are making more wilderness areas accessable to them, and bush meat also evokes nostalgia for a time when people did live off the forest. Solve Africa's proplems of poverty, war, and dwindling natural resources, and the disease problem will be mitigated.
Easy, right?

Easy, if we kill all the africans there. Who would miss them anyway? I won't.
A lot of problems in africa are because africans are so primitive.
Take for example the Ivory Coast Republic, they are swimming in diamonds, but for those diamonds they buy weapons and kill each other. I think we should help them, clear central and south africa clean, make space for european settlers and all will be good again.

edit: or we can proceed with my initial plan and exterminate all other primates on this planet.

Solve Africa's proplems of poverty, war, and dwindling natural resources, and the disease problem will be mitigated. Easy, right?

No. Close to impossible. If it was easy, it'd be done by now. Yet it only gets worse and more people complain.

edit: or we can proceed with my initial plan and exterminate all other primates on this planet.

No. Exterminate humans. It's not monkeys' fault that humans eat them and get sick.

Humans are unreliable and someone always has the possibility of thinking that eating monkeys is a good idea. By exterminating all other primates, you kill all potential source. Cold, hard and reliable results.

Humans eat other contageous meat. Mad cow disease doesn't scare you? I saw a victim in the news some long time ago; it didn't look desireable. How about those chickens?
Prohibit meat consumption and isolate those who don't comply (or kill 'em). Stalinistic approach. Cold, hard, reliable. Progress.

If I am not mistaken then MCD could be gotten only from consuming the sick meat.
If so - doesn't scare me.

You might unintentionally help the spread of disease by killing all the apes. You would have to hire hunters, most probably african hunters, and when the apes were dead, someone would eat them. Killing all the Africans would cause the same problem, unless we nuked them all, then we would have more problems than just disease.

Extermination of all other primates is impossible, but chimps and gorillas are already threatened. There are other carriers of unknown diseases besides apes, look at the bird flu, and wasn't that spread by civet cats or something? Humans are overdue for a big plague, see the movie "12 Monkeys" if you want to know our future...

I have seen the movie. In the movie it was from a chemical labarotory/bioterrorist, not an animal.
You think it's not possible, but give me funding and manpower and I'll clear africa clean.

Specialised extermination squads and burning the monkey body afterwards.

Oh yes, let me remind you of the West Nile Virus and mosquitoes. Also spread only by mosquitoes (not human-to-human). Can we exterminate mosquitoes, please?

Why do we have to use nuclear/atomic/etc weapons? Regular bombs won't do? Oh killing them will also solve their little poverty problem and their war problems, hehehe.... No, just isolate. That's easier, more humane, and so on.

Edit: Why oh why are you so against monkeys? Do you like African populace so much? Do they look sexy to you or something?

Ok, kill all africans and all other primates. Won't make a difference. You can kill the people, leave me to exterminate wild primates.

No, leave monkeys alone. They're entertaining and don't intrude on our business. The disease is spread by eating the monkey, not breathing next to it.

If I am not mistaken then MCD could be gotten only from consuming the sick meat.
If so - doesn't scare me.
You can't tell the difference between mad cow meat and non-mad cow meat if you're just looking at it sitting in the freezer isle. Or do you have some sort of supernatural prion detecting sence? Nope, I'm afraid whitewolf is right, you are putting the entire race at risk by eating that beef. So we either have to kill all the cows and chickens and pigs too, or kill all the meat eating humans. I know who my vote is for, you filthy disease vector.

I don't eat any meat, SpyMoose

Avatar, I'm not sure the CDC would agree with your methods, they are...unsound. They might have to get Charlie Sheen to go after you...

Too many things that need to be done are not done because of stupid ethics or other irrational beliefs.
What's CDC?

We should kill all the pandas while we're at it. Those sons of bitches just don't pull their weight. I mean what the hell is up with them? Their food is in the lowlands and they live primarily in the highlands? There needs to be some accountability, and frankly I think the day of reckoning for pandas has come.

Oh, and a word to manatees: you'd best get off welfare and get yourself a job, you slackers, otherwise we're just going to keep making boats with even bigger propellers that are going to cut all the deeper into your lazy degenerate backs.

The Center for Disease Control in the United States.

We should kill all the pandas while we're at it. Those sons of bitches just don't pull their weight. I mean what the hell is up with them? Their food is in the lowlands and they live primarily in the highlands?

Hmm. I'm almost tempted to cry plagiarism on this. I am 110 percent sure that I've seen this exact statement made by SpuriousMonkey in some other thread months ago. I bet I could find it if I was stubborn enough.

Or is this a common bitch? Those damned pandas...



Well. This thread's not entirely serious and more provocative than anything else, but while I'm here:

People are eating monkeys because they are poor.

Wrong. They eat monkeys and gorillas and other types of bush meat for the same reason that Westerners eat lobsters and caviar. It's a status food. When you have someone important coming over for dinner you sure as hell don't feed them cow. You feed them gorilla.

It helps all these city-dwelling Africans fool themselves into thinking they're still maintaining some type of connection with their past culture.

You know. So they don't feel like dirty Americans or anything.

Can we exterminate mosquitoes, please?

Christ. Wouldn't that be sweet? I wonder what the ecological consequences would be?
And there's always midges, and god knows how many other blood sucking critters out there.

I don't eat any meat, SpyMoose

Ah.
That explains it.

The Center for Disease Control in the United States.
What's CDC to do with Africa? It's not under the USA jurisdiction and I'm not a citizen of the US.

to Mystech: what a nice slippery slope you have there

You can apply the slippery slope to any issue and nothing will ever get done.

Notice, it is only humans that bitch about diseases and contageous animals. Normal critters don't care. It is the human race that is the source of the problem.

I doubt insects, rats or simmilar have enough intellect to predict a spread of a disease.

What's CDC to do with Africa? It's not under the USA jurisdiction and I'm not a citizen of the US.

to Mystech: what a nice slippery slope you have there
I'm joking. Just like you are.

So, a question to you all: What's wrong with exterminating all the other primate species out there? Apart from childish morals, etc? I can't think of anything.
By exterminating them we effectivly delete the only source on this planet for viruses that tinker with our immune system, we secure our DNA!

I'm joking. Just like you are.
Oh, I'm deadly serious. It's you all who are joking.

Lack of intellect means lack of intent and all comprehension of guilt/damage etc. Can't blame the animal and insect and plant kingdoms. It is the humans that have a problem and therefore are it's source. That's why it's wrong to kill off monkeys. Humans need to either adapt to the environment or die off. No other choice, really. And that's what you'll see happening: we'll adapt (find a cure).

Because we are so good at avoiding deaths, we have overpopulation problems. We need something the size of that plague from the Dark Ages that was spread by rats... Boubonic plague?

Black death.
Anyways, you wouldn't want to see that. Study a bit about what effects on the remaining alive society the black death did have. Be afraid. ;)
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That's why it's wrong to kill off monkeys.
I think that's your problem right there -> "wrong".
Nothing is wrong if it keeps me alive. That's my oppinion.
I don't care about right or wrong, I see -> dead monkeys = no more such viruses possible = YAY

You asked what's wrong; I used your language in my responce, so that you'd comprehend. We aren't looking for a morally right choice here; the most convenient choice is our goal. It does nothing to kill off monkeys and other animals and insects and plants that do us damage. In the end, we'll exterminate everything but ourselves and that will be our downfall. We need to adapt.
You should adapt.

What bad effects did it have? I've forgotten, it seems.... Half the population was gone, or somewhere around those numbers. I recall hearing that lack of proper hygiene was part of the cause....

So, a question to you all: What's wrong with exterminating all the other primate species out there? Apart from childish morals, etc? I can't think of anything.
By exterminating them we effectivly delete the only source on this planet for viruses that tinker with our immune system, we secure our DNA!

Two words.
Genetic diversity.

If you wiped out all primate species on the earth I can practically guarantee an ecological disaster that would make Aids seem like nothing.
Who cares about Simian Foamy Disease? You worried about it?

And, on a lighter note, apeman butlers.

By the way, Avatar, I'm saddened that you didn't take my bait.
What your vegetarianism explains is your girlish good looks.

Rise of religious fanaticism, a hell lot of cults and blame seekers. But I think that's more a problem for the USA not Europe, because people there are less culturaly developed and the country is high on god.

Please explain further the ecological disaster.

Also, explain what vegetarianism has to do with girlishness and appearances.

But I think that's more a problem for the USA not Europe, because people there are less culturaly developed and the country is high on god.

At the moment, yes.
The pendulum swings, Avatar.
Have no doubts that religious fanaticism will once again blight your fair land once more as well.

It is impossible to exterminate all the primates. Many are used in medical laboratories, many are in inaccessable areas of the world. They are small and feisty, they climb trees and hide very well. To access them and kill them, you would expose more people to a potential virus than if you left them alone.

Anyway, you are ignoring the benefits of disease, we need to get sick in order to develop immunity. Perhaps a developed immunity to a monkey disease will protect you from bird flu. We can't live in a bubble.

Besides, it's like closing the barn door after the cows are gone. We already have AIDS in the world, and it can mutate any time.

Please explain further the ecological disaster.

Oh. Come now. Do you realize how huge a bite that the death of all primates would have take on their native environments? All species live in an intricate web of codependence and primates make up a large part of their ecosystem.
To destroy them all would practically wipe out their ecosystem.
Sure. It would adapt given time.
But that time would be a tough time.

How far would the effects spread? There's a sticky question. But. It would be a disaster and that's no doubt.

Also, explain what vegetarianism has to do with girlishness and appearances.

Well. Of course, it was a joke.
But. Vegetarians are generally slender of frame. And thus is Avatar.

many are in inaccessable areas of the world
Thus inaccesable for monkey eaters too
we need to get sick in order to develop immunity.
HIV and simmilar viruses destroy the immune system as it stands. That's exactly why it's so dangerous, there is no immune system left.

invert: To destroy them all would practically wipe out their ecosystem.
An ecosystem in a land far away. It won't affect Europe, Australia, Americas or anything of importance.

edit: Vegetarians are generally slender of frame. And thus is Avatar.
I was such before stopping eating meat. I work out regulary and eat little.

An ecosystem in a land far away. It won't affect Europe, Australia, Americas or anything of importance.

But. Can you be sure?
Do you know where many of our hardwoods come from?
Do you know how interdependent these trees are upon the species that live in them?
We live in a global ecology.
Our dependence has grown world-wide.

As I said, the sticky question would be how far the effects would spread, but the possibility is strong that they might spread world-wide in a variety of ways.
Only one way to find out. And then it's too late.

I should mention that there are also primates in South and Central America. They are perhaps not as diverse as the African primates but they are there.


Edit:
I was such before stopping eating meat. I work out regulary and eat little.

Just giving you shit, my man. I don't like all the local girls drooling over you so I kid.
(I'm hideous. And a rabid carnivore.)

I should mention that there are also primates in South and Central America. They are perhaps not as diverse as the African primates but they are there.
They are genetically further away from humans as the african ones and thus not so dangerous. Of course I would like a biologist to speak on this, but that is my current knowledge.
As I said, the sticky question would be how far the effects would spread, but the possibility is strong that they might spread world-wide in a variety of ways.
I bet the effect would be less than that of aids now. ;) But that is just my bet, nothing more.

Avatar,

I bet the effect would be less than that of aids now. But that is just my bet, nothing more.
The thing is that the rain forest ecosystem is delicate. Our world is already on the precipice of an ecological disaster.
Ice age.
Greenhouse effect.
Take your pick.
Wiping out the primates might push us over the edge to one or the other.

There is also a chance that wiping out the population might actually allow some species to proliferate that is even more damaging to human life. That can pass diseases to humans. Who knows?

The flu goes through pigs, you know. Pigs and humans are seperated pretty damn far on the evolutionary bush.

As I said. There's only one way to find out. And then it's too late.

Anyway, I still stand by my ape-men butler statement. All we need to do is train them to shit in toilets and to stop flinging their shit at us.

The flu doesn't affect our immune system, which hiv is able to do because our dna is so simmilar with the other primates (~3% dif. with chimps).
Anyway, I still stand by my ape-men butler statement. All we need to do is train them to shit in toilets and to stop flinging their shit at us.
At this point I am tempted to bring up from the dead my "Bring back the colonial regime in Africa" thread.

The flu kills precisely because it overcomes the immune system.

There is a difference, hiv doesn't overcome, it destroys the immune system, there is none left. Humans die from common diseases (cold) simply because they have no immune system left, they don't die from the virus, the virus makes all other non-lethal diseases potentially lethal.

Mhhh, it appears that tigers feed on some monkeys, and there are monkeys in Asia.... Yea Avatar, your idea seems uglier with each google search result. And just try me with that "Africans are inferior" shit....


Aw, I'm still waiting to see invert's pic.

Killing primates would have next to no effect on almost any ecosystem. As omnivores, primates fill a niche that could be filled by a myriad of other organisms. That having been said, the idea of killing all primates must be considered a joke. Not that it couldn't be done - we are easily and inadvertently accomplishing this right now - except for a few species such as the colobus. It is simply that the biology of humans and non-human primates are so incredibly similar that it would be useless to do so.

Take, for example, the fact that we use the mouse for almost all our biomedical research - an organism that is separated from us by about 90 million years. This organism is still so similar that almost all of research in the murine model (mice) is applicable to humans. Keeping this in mind, non-human primate biology can be said to be virtually identical to human biology.

The idea of similarities in biology is important. The more closely similar the biology, the greater the likelihood that two different organisms will suffer a disease in the same way. Why do you think that mice and rats are carriers of so many horrible diseases (read - the black plague)? Their biology is sufficiently different from ours that an innocuous disease in rodents is a deadly disease in primates. Given the fact that mammals progress very slowly, evolutionarily (remember how similar mice are to humans), it is extremely unlikely that any primates harbor diseases that would be fatal to us. Their biology is just too similar. And even in the case of SIV/HIV, it can be said that this is not really a fatal disease from an evolutionary standpoint. Since the majority of HIV transmission occurs sexually, and AIDS does not show up for 10 years, that means 10 years in which the (obviously) sexually active host of HIV can be reproducing.

The likelihood that non-human primates are now harboring a disease with the impact of HIV borders on nil, given the similarities in biology. You would do much better killing the rodent vermin than the much more similar primates. And besides, they're our cousins - doesn't blood mean anything?

Please see this article (http://www.innovations-report.de/html/berichte/medizin_gesundheit/bericht-27071.html).
It seems that new retroviruses have been transfered into humans from wild primates. I won't repeat the article, read it yourselves, but I have a proposal ->
Exterminate all wild primates on this planet for the common good of humankind.
It seems that these viruses are so powerful exactly because the other primates are so close related to us, we have a DNA difference of just ~3% with some. I think it will be a lot safer world without these other species and they really aren't that valuable, we are the most successful product of the primate evolution.
Besides they look ugly..

Or have you any other good medical solution to this problem?
I think we should have classes in the earliest grades to teach the children not to have sex with monkeys and other wild animals when they grow up. Monkeys, like cats, are only cute when very young.

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