Bolton: Bush won't tolerate nuclear Iran (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1137605900030&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull)
US President George W. Bush will not accept a nuclear Iran, John Bolton, the US ambassador to the United Nations, said Monday.
As was the case with Iraq, Bush has yet to produce any evidence that Iran is building anything other than a power station. And, like Iraq, Bush cannot explain why even with nuclear arms, Iran is any kind of threat to the United States, which possesses the largest nuclear arsenal in the world and remains historically the only nation to use nuclear weapons against a civilian population.

Sure, a major oil exporting nation needs nuclear power to generate electricity. Give me a break, Brian.

As was the case with Iraq, Bush has yet to produce any evidence that Iran is building anything other than a power station. And, like Iraq, Bush cannot explain why even with nuclear arms, Iran is any kind of threat to the United States, which possesses the largest nuclear arsenal in the world and remains historically the only nation to use nuclear weapons against a civilian population.
Walnut, what is your dream in life, to be sitting on the head of the first nuclear missile, iran lauches against America, like in the movie doctor strangelove with peter sellers.
I can see you with a big smile on your face, as you approach the whitehouse strapped to a iranian nuke.

Come on walnut is this all you dream off.

Good point Anthony.

Geoff

AP
VIENNA, Austria Jan 23, 2006 — Iran will immediately retaliate if referred to the U.N. Security Council next week by forging ahead with developing a full-scale uranium enrichment program, a senior envoy said Monday.

The comments by Ali Asghar Soltaniyeh, a senior envoy to the International Atomic Energy Agency, reflected Iran's defiance in the face of growing international pressure over its nuclear program. Enrichment can be used in electricity production but it also is needed in making uranium-based nuclear weapons.

Separately, Iran's top nuclear negotiator planned to travel to Moscow on Tuesday for a high-level session as talks intensified surrounding a proposal to have Iran's uranium enriched in Russia, then returned to Iran for use in the country's reactors a compromise that would provide more oversight and ease tensions.

The objections center around the uranium enrichment issue. If Iran agreed not to enrich fuel on it's own, then the reactors could have a peaceful use. If they did built enrichment facilities, there is nothing to stop them from turning used fuel into nuclear weapons. They fact that they are not being cooperative about it is very suspicious.

They fact that they are not being cooperative about it is very suspicious.

That's a good point. If their intentions are exactly as they say they are, then why not reassure the rest of the anxious world by allowing a search? Because they're "tired of being under the world's thumb?" Bullshit. And America used nukes because Germany was extremely close to having developed their own. They also had many new missiles almost ready that would have devestated the allies. Desperate times called for desperate measures, bada bing bada BOOM! And Bush has said before that he believes Iran to be harboring terrorists, and even went so far as to add Iran to the big bad Axis of Evil list.

The russian proposal is a very good political maneuver to try and get Iran to play their hand. Either that, or Russia and Iran are being sneaky.

At best, Iran wants to use possible nuclear capabilty as a bargaining chip in global politics. The UN has to put its foot down or this is going to keep happening again and again with emerging countries. At worst, Iran wants nukes so they can blow israel off the map and start wwIII.

It's not any danger to the US, but it could be a danger to Israel.

Of course, all those Pakistani missiles on the Iranian border can already reach Israel, so if Bush does choose to open up the Armageddon option and the entire world decides to jump on board before there's nobody left, Israel will get nailed anyway.

There is the ancient arab custom of negotiation, where the price the seller names is never the price you really have to pay. Perhaps this is what the Iranians are doing, maintaining a bargaining position to get the best deal.

As was the case with Iraq, Bush has yet to produce any evidence that Iran is building anything other than a power station. And, like Iraq, Bush cannot explain why even with nuclear arms, Iran is any kind of threat to the United States, which possesses the largest nuclear arsenal in the world and remains historically the only nation to use nuclear weapons against a civilian population.

good one :o .

spreading your propoganda again! you hate U.S so much (with no justification) that u want to see Iraq fail.

you should win a humanitarian award.

Aaaahhhh Brian....such a nice young Irish Muslim lad....got a lot of freinds there do ya?

by the way....did we ever figure out if the president of Iran really was one of the hostage takers in the 70's....kinda lost track of that one.

And America used nukes because Germany was extremely close to having developed their own.

America nuked Japan because Germany was extremely close to developing their own?

Germany signed an unconditional surrender on May 8th, 1945.

The U.S. dropped the a-bombs on Japan on August 6th and 9th, 1945.

So because we're worried about Germany developing nukes, we decide to bomb Japan 3 months later after Germany's unconditional surrender?

Or do you mean Japan was close to finishing their own nuclear program?

- N

Sure, a major oil exporting nation needs nuclear power to generate electricity. Give me a break, Brian.
Then why does Britain with 2 thousands years of coal reserves and North Sea oil need nuclear power ?
Likewise oil rich Russia and America ?
Why is hydro resource rich New Zealand considering building 2 nuclear power stations ?
Simple its cheaper , cleaner and more efficient than oil fired power stations and besides when does Iranian oil run out ? 25 years to 40 years hardly an option for future planning .
Walnut, what is your dream in life, to be sitting on the head of the first nuclear missile, iran lauches against America, like in the movie doctor strangelove with peter sellers.
I can see you with a big smile on your face, as you approach the whitehouse strapped to a iranian nuke.

Come on walnut is this all you dream off.
What does it matter to you , you hate America and Europe as you told me you went to live in Thailand because of it . Seeing you opted for another life away from us in Asia I say mind your own business .
At worst, Iran wants nukes so they can blow israel off the map and start wwIII.
And what proof do you have of this ? Seeing no nation America included has actually accused Iran of having or wanting to build atomic weapons just they suppose of fears . Show me where Bush has outrightly said that Iran does have an Atomic weapons programme ?
Aaaahhhh Brian....such a nice young Irish Muslim lad....got a lot of freinds there do ya?
Thats it mate ! You got it , Irish first ;) what comes after doesnt matter :) and as for freinds Christ no not when I have sciforums !

As of 2002 the U.S. had 10,640 nuke warheads and the Russians 8,600.
Now as far as the Strategic Nuclear forces- 7600 warheads total yeild 1200 Megatons.

The Russians have (once again as of 2002) 5000 warheads in their Strategic Nuclear force with a yeild of 2135 Megatons.

So as of 2002 the Russians had less warheads but they were more powerfull (almost 2X as destructive). So pick you poison. Either way the world would be BBQd.

So as usual the "US has the most nukes" is misleading. As usual it comes down to Statistics and how you choose to use them.

Sure, a major oil exporting nation needs nuclear power to generate electricity. Give me a break, Brian. Exactly, a major oil exporter is not exporting oil to US, after an invasion that wont be a problem any more, right.

That's a good point. If their intentions are exactly as they say they are, then why not reassure the rest of the anxious world by allowing a search? U Damn Indians, U have Nukes , so shut up, If had U been under Nuke development with US knowing it, Your country would have been in shambles right now.

The russian proposal is a very good political maneuver to try and get Iran to play their hand. Either that, or Russia and Iran are being sneaky... Obviously Russia wants to make money the fair way instead of an invasion, smart people.

There is the ancient arab custom of negotiation, where the price the seller names is never the price you really have to pay. Perhaps this is what the Iranians are doing, maintaining a bargaining position to get the best deal. with so much time on their hands, like north korea did, iran must be in the last phases of asembling their thousands of Nukes. After that USA will have no balls to talk of invasion. Iran will be the superpower of the new world order.

good one :o .

spreading your propoganda again! you hate U.S so much (with no justification) that u want to see Iraq fail.

you should win a humanitarian award. More important that Iraq failing is to stop a single drop of oil going out from Iraq to usa.

U Damn Indians, U have Nukes , so shut up, If had U been under Nuke development with US knowing it, Your country would have been in shambles right now.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. I'm American, you ass wagon. What nationality are you?? British? Then surely you know the Manhatten project was conducted with aid from British scientists.

After that USA will have no balls to talk of invasion. Iran will be the superpower of the new world order.

Iran? Superpower of the new world order? Big deal, they have nuclear capabilities. That means they can use nuclear weapons...that their antagonists have had for sixty years. I don't see how nukes + Iran = superpower??

Walnut, what is your dream in life, to be sitting on the head of the first nuclear missile, iran lauches against America, like in the movie doctor strangelove with peter sellers.
I can see you with a big smile on your face, as you approach the whitehouse strapped to a iranian nuke.

Come on walnut is this all you dream off.

Does Iran have intercontinental missiles?

with so much time on their hands, like north korea did, iran must be in the last phases of asembling their thousands of Nukes. After that USA will have no balls to talk of invasion. Iran will be the superpower of the new world order.
I don't think they have the fuel yet, that's why they want to enrich their own uranium, and why the US is so intent on stopping this now. I can't stand Bush, but compared to the leader of Iran, he's Pippy Longstocking.

More important that Iraq failing is to stop a single drop of oil going out from Iraq to usa.
It does not matter where the oil the US buys originates. It's a world market. So long as Iraq is producing oil, that very production will result in a decrease in the price of oil worldwide even if it's all shipped directly to China.

Iran doesnt have ICBMs (yet) but they can hit Europe. Though I heard that they were trying to develop AABMs (Anti-Australian Ballistic Missles...watch out Brian!)

Iran? Superpower of the new world order? Big deal, they have nuclear capabilities. That means they can use nuclear weapons...that their antagonists have had for sixty years. I don't see how nukes + Iran = superpower?? Simply put had Saddam Nukes with him Iraq would have been a free country today.

I don't think they have the fuel yet, that's why they want to enrich their own uranium, and why the US is so intent on stopping this now. I can't stand Bush, but compared to the leader of Iran, he's Pippy Longstocking.
And what if they buy it from Korea or Pakistan or India or china or Russia ?

Who doesnt wana make money selling Nukes to their enemies ?

Walnut, what is your dream in life, to be sitting on the head of the first nuclear missile, iran lauches against America, like in the movie doctor strangelove with peter sellers.
I can see you with a big smile on your face, as you approach the whitehouse strapped to a iranian nuke.

Come on walnut is this all you dream off.
Vincent calm down brian is entitled to his opinion too, even if brian is only 1 of only 100 people who think iran is not developing nuclear weapons, leave brian alone to his fairy tales & the fact he sees palestine & iran as the new promised lands.

Vince i have watch you post for quite a while now, admiring you from the trenches, now i have decided to come to the front lines, to change you & make you more understanding of the screwballs in the world.

The dove of peace to you vincent.

...only 1 of only 100 people who think iran is not developing nuclear weapons,....

More important than that is to let Iran know how to do that by checkmating USA.

Iran doesnt have ICBMs (yet) but they can hit Europe. Though I heard that they were trying to develop AABMs (Anti-Australian Ballistic Missles...watch out Brian!)

Did they threaten to hit europe with a nuclear strike? And is the US an European country?

Simply put had Saddam Nukes with him Iraq would have been a free country today.

No shit, Sherlock! Even if Saddam DID have nukes, he wasn't going to become a superpower. Again, I state that nukes don't make a country invincible. Being a free country isn't the same thing as being a superpower.

No shit, Sherlock! Even if Saddam DID have nukes, he wasn't going to become a superpower. Again, I state that nukes don't make a country invincible. Being a free country isn't the same thing as being a superpower. But pakistan is.

Iran doesnt have ICBMs (yet) but they can hit Europe. Though I heard that they were trying to develop AABMs (Anti-Australian Ballistic Missles...watch out Brian!)
I think you are slighting exagerating this Iranian syndrome out of proportion , it seems Iran overnight has gone from supposedly having the ability to devolop an A-Bomb in 5 years to having an Atomic Arsemal which has an intercontinental reach .

But pakistan is.

So is America and all of her numerous allies.

Also, what the hell did that statement even have to do with the statement you quoted?

And what if they buy it from Korea or Pakistan or India or china or Russia ?

Who doesnt wana make money selling Nukes to their enemies ?
Well that's the issue. Russia wants to sell it to them on the condition that the spent fuel be shipped back to Russia instead of being used to make nukes.

I agree that a nuclear Iran wouldn't be a superpower. But they certainly could use the overt threat of unleashing their arsenal to get what they want, as North Korea has done for some time now.

Geoff

I agree that a nuclear Iran wouldn't be a superpower. But they certainly could use the overt threat of unleashing their arsenal to get what they want, as North Korea has done for some time now.

Geoff
So why isnt North Korea the main thraet as well it should be to America as NK already has atomic weapons .

Well that's the issue. Russia wants to sell it to them on the condition that the spent fuel be shipped back to Russia instead of being used to make nukes. Thats a very good strategy, just sent back heavy water contaniers full of oil.

So why isnt North Korea the main thraet as well it should be to America as NK already has atomic weapons . Its a pasttense, a battel lost; the winners also includes Pakistan and India. These are the countries that USA cant Invade.

Its a pasttense, a battel lost; the winners also includes Pakistan and India. These are the countries that USA cant Invade.
The US has 100,000+ airforce , army & navy personnel stationed in Korea , coupled with those in Japan and its Japn/South Korean military allies . The US could start bombing N.K right now roll over N.K and turn it into a carpark in a week . So why is not America concentrating on N.K which IS the bigger threat .

They're on the list right next to Iran. Remember that "Axis of Evil" hit list George Bush has? After this whole Iran ordeal, I'm sure George Bush will tell us that the CIA caught North Korea shipping nukes into America or something. Bye bye North Korea : /

Do you really need a reason? NK clearly isn't inhabited by freedom loving christians who vote republican. No reason not to invade it.

My sarcasm detector is confused...

The US has 100,000+ airforce , army & navy personnel stationed in Korea , coupled with those in Japan and its Japn/South Korean military allies . The US could start bombing N.K right now roll over N.K and turn it into a carpark in a week . So why is not America concentrating on N.K which IS the bigger threat .
Because NK can flatten that army in a 10 seconds.

My sarcasm detector is confused...

/chuckle

Mine indicates spurious was being funny...

*taps meter housing*

They're on the list right next to Iran. Remember that "Axis of Evil" hit list George Bush has? After this whole Iran ordeal, I'm sure George Bush will tell us that the CIA caught North Korea shipping nukes into America or something. Bye bye North Korea : /
Yes , but why is North Korea left alone ? Why isnt America demanding N.K disarm ? Why has the N.K action of throwing the IAEA out of N.K met with no US response ?
Do you really need a reason? NK clearly isn't inhabited by freedom loving christians who vote republican. No reason not to invade it.
Precisely, logically N.K would be the most urgent priority to deal with in fact it should of been invaded in 2003 instead of Iraq when N.K annouced it did actually have a A-Bomb .
Because NK can flatten that army in a 10 seconds.
Could you provide some proof to this assertion , I mean America is a military juggernaut and N.K is merely an economic basket case struggling to keep its head above water .

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Could you provide some proof to this assertion , I mean America is a military juggernaut and N.K is merely an economic basket case struggling to keep its head above water . Its a basket with a strangled mouth. 10 years down the line it will be powerless as Iraq.

Its a basket with a strangled mouth. 10 years down the line it will be powerless as Iraq.
Yes but Iraq was still invaded and occupied to be made powerless Anomalous , N.K is the greater threat so it should receive the most urgency .

Yes but Iraq was still invaded and occupied to be made powerless Anomalous , N.K is the greater threat so it should receive the most urgency .
I hope that should the last mistake USA can ever make, where do U think WMD of Iraq have gone ? Are they in USA with the terrorist ?

Yes but Iraq was still invaded and occupied to be made powerless Anomalous , N.K is the greater threat so it should receive the most urgency .


The U.S. military could not win a war against North Korea. Vietnam anyone? Might vs. Manpower. North Korea has a lot of bodies to throw at the U.S., it wouldn't be worth it. Iraq was already collapsing, Sadam and his cronies were driving BMW's while his people were starving, the sanctions would have crushed Iraq in due time. An invasion was not necessary to take Iraq out.