I was very supprised that noone else posted about this but it seems as though the great Mr Bush was warned about terrorists operating in the US before 9/11 and yet did nothing.

One question, WHY?

You ask why!

Georgama Bush Laden Jr. is partner's in the Oil industry with...

Anyone...

Anyone...

Anyone...


You guessed it, all the Taliban & Al Qaeda LEADERS. If he actually went after them, they would cut off his profits. So it doesn't surprise me that the truth is finally coming out.

Go ask Clinton the same question about WTC bombing in 93. Whatever warnings Bush received if any, Clinton got much bigger warnings.

Originally posted by Joeman
Go ask Clinton the same question about WTC bombing in 93. Whatever warnings Bush received if any, Clinton got much bigger warnings.

Where is the proof in that?


And this has what to do with CURRENT events?

Funny how Bush-Laden supporters always have to bring up some inane crap, from the past, whenever the truth is told of their leader.

It amazes me what kind of crap Bush haters are willing to believe.

05/16/2002 4:47 PM EDT

By RON FOURNIER

WASHINGTON (AP) - The White House on Thursday defended its decision not to alert Americans before the Sept. 11 attacks that Osama bin Laden's terrorist network might try to hijack airplanes, saying such a warning would have risked shutting down the country's airline system.

The defense came after Democrats led angry calls for President Bush to hand over a top-secret CIA briefing he received in August about the threats. Lawmakers also called for the release of an FBI memo before Sept. 11 that warned headquarters that many Middle Eastern men were training at at least one U.S. flight school.

"It is always a question of how good the information is and whether putting the information out is a responsible thing to do," said National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice. "You would have risked shutting down the American civil aviation system with such generalized information. You would have to think five, six, seven times about that, very, very hard."

Rice described a series of threats uncovered by intelligence officials, beginning in September of 2000 and reaching a height in the summer of 2001, that dealt mostly with American interests overseas.


Those threats prompted a series of alerts issued by the FBI to law-enforcement agencies and from the Federal Aviation Administration to the nation's airlines and airports, she said.

"The FAA asked security personnel, ground personnel to have a heightened state of alert," Rice said.

She described a flurry of government activities to ward off possible attacks, including strong warnings to Americans to be careful overseas. Bush was told in an Aug. 6 briefing at his Texas ranch about the possible threats, including that the al-Qaida were considering hijackings.

But Rice said the Bush administration never considered alerting the public to a possible hijacking threat at home.

"In the pre-9-11 world, we never even considered issuing a warning," Rice said.

On Capitol Hill, House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt, D-Mo., said: "What we have to do now is find out what the president - what the White House - knew about the events leading up to the events of 9-11, when they knew it and, most importantly, what was done about it."

Republican Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama, vice chairman of the Intelligence Committee, said, "There was a lot of information. I believe and others believe, if it had been acted on properly we may have had a different situation on Sept. 11."

At some point before that day, U.S. intelligence obtained information suggesting that al-Qaida terrorists might hijack an airplane in an attack targeting U.S. citizens, intelligence officials said. The White House and the CIA said there was no suggestion a plane would be flown into a building.

As politically charged congressional hearings loomed, the White House scrambled to shield Bush from damage, and Democrats sought to exploit the first crack in the president's record-setting popularity since Sept. 11.

Bush had no public comment on the developments, but suggested in a closed-door meeting with GOP senators that politics might be at play.

"He said if there had been a strong warning to trust him that he would have reacted quite forcefully," said Sen. Lincoln Chafee, R-R.I., who attended the Capitol luncheon.

"He reminded us this is the political season," Chafee said.

Nine months after the fact, White House aides acknowledged that the CIA told Bush, at his ranch in early August, of intelligence information suggesting a possible hijacking.

The White House said the information was not specific and hardly a surprise - bin Laden was known to be targeting the United States - and the intelligence made no mention of suicide hijackings aimed at U.S. landmarks.

Bush was on vacation in Texas when CIA officials passed along the threat, which had already been forwarded to federal agencies.

"That information was then passed on to the airlines, as we customarily do" sometime in June or July, Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta said. "There was really no specificity to the information we received at that time. There was no way we could have, let's say, connected the dots to point to what happened on the 11th of September."

Then in August, the Federal Aviation Administration warned airlines and airports that supporters of bin Laden or other terrorist groups could hijack airplanes, said a government official who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The warning did not include any detailed information and was similar to several FAA notices earlier in the year, said the official.

Some family members of the Sept. 11 victims reacted with anger.

"I believe our whole government let people down," said Bill Doyle of New York City, whose son, Joseph was killed inside the World Trade Center.

Other family members said the government probably did all it could.

"It's time to put aside the anger, the frustration," said Peggy Neff of Hyattsville, Md., who lost her partner of 17 years, Sheila Hein, in the Pentagon attack.

Though Bush and his advisers spent weeks building a public case against bin Laden after the attacks, they never mentioned that U.S. intelligence had picked up threats of hijackings over the summer.

"It's easy to criticize for what did not occur publicly," Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge said in a telephone interview. "But the environment back then was a little different as well, a lot different."

A senior CIA official said it's still not clear whether the information given to Bush was a bona fide hint of the Sept. 11 plot - or something entirely unrelated to it.

Democrats weren't buying the explanation.

"Why did it take eight months for us to receive this information?" asked Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D.

He said Bush should turn over the CIA briefing, as well as an FBI memo drafted by an Arizona agent who warned before the attacks of suspicious activity by Arabs at U.S. flight schools. White House officials would not say whether Bush will comply.

Congressional intelligence committees were already trying to determine whether there were any intelligence lapses. Daschle said this week's development will throw the investigation to other panels. Sen. Robert Torricelli, D-N.J., called for a special national commission.

Some Republicans demanded answers, too.

"There were two separate FBI reports plus a CIA warning, none of which were coordinated. The question is, if all three had been connected, would that have led to more vigorous activity? That's the reason why we need the commission to look at it." said Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.

Gephardt and several members of intelligence panels, primarily Democrats, said they had not been advised of the threats - although the White House insisted that committee members were told.

The airline industry also said it was caught off guard.

"I'm not aware of any warnings or notifications," said Michael Wascom, spokesman for the Air Transport Association.

White House officials said Bush was steadfast in private that CIA Director George Tenet and FBI Director Robert Mueller had done a good job overhauling their agencies to close the gaps exposed by the attacks. Their jobs are not in jeopardy, officials said.

One Bush associate quoted the president as saying "no one knew" that bin Laden was plotting to make the leap from traditional hijackings to the suicide attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon.

Joeman, do you question anything the GOP apparatus disgorges at you? Does anything penetrate that vacuous melon of yours?

Are you aware that the Bush family has a long running business relationship with bin Laden through the Carlysle Group? They are VERY friendly. It is a matter of public record.

What do you say to the fact that on Sept 13, when no planes were allowed to fly in the US, that a private plane was allowed to land at 5 US cities and pick up members of the bin Laden family and their entourages? The FBI was specifically forbidden to question bin Laden's family about his possible whereabouts. The FBI was furious over the whole thing. Check it out, the story was in the Nov 12 2001 New Yorker Magazine.

How about the fact that Haliburton, the oil services firm Cheney ran (one should say that pays Cheney big kickbacks to make policy in their favor) , hosted, along with then-Governor Bush, a Taliban delegation in Houston, Texas in early 2000 to discuss an oil pipeline deal? The Taliban were treated royally during their stay. Shortly thereafter, Russia got in on the action concerning an Afghanistan oil pipeline. The deal was not looking good after Bush took office. Then amazingly, two planes hit the WTC on 9/11. The men who did the hijacking were 15 Saudis and 4 Pakistanis. For some reason no one has been able to explain, instead of trying to find those responsible for planning it, we attacked Afghanistan (which had no evidence of a link to said 9/11 attack) and set up a friendly regime. The new regime is preparing to sign off on the pipeline deal with Haliburton. Do a search on Google for "oil pipeline wars" and "Afghanistan".

You're hero KNEW about the attack in advance. He allowed it to happen so that he could secure that oil pipeline and also boost his approval ratings. The man is a mass-murderer by omission, and deserves to burn (and I don't even support the death penalty). Deal with it.

Oh, and Benji, if you ever make me think of George "Our Idiot Emperor" Bush with his pants down again, this will be heading your way:

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Northwind:
You're hero KNEW about the attack in advance.

WHOA! That's a hell of an assertion, you know. Extrordinary claims require extrordinary evidence.

Are you aware that the Bush family has a long running business relationship with bin Laden through the Carlysle Group? They are VERY friendly. It is a matter of public record.

With his FAMILY. There is a difference.

Big money is very incestous. I am not suprised that there are connexions.

What do you say to the fact that on Sept 13, when no planes were allowed to fly in the US, that a private plane was allowed to land at 5 US cities and pick up members of the bin Laden family and their entourages?

I'd say you've been hoaxed:

Yes, a couple of flights arranged by the Saudi government did collect a number of Osama bin Laden's America-based relatives and whisk them to Saudi Arabia in the aftermath of the September 11 terrorist attacks, but this didn't take place during the FAA- imposed ban on air travel in the US. The two flights in question took wing on September 18 and 19, days after the ban on air travel was lifted.

The Federal Aviation Administration ordered all flights in the United States grounded immediately following the terrorist attacks, and that ban stayed in effect until September 13. (Even then, for that first day commercial carriers were either completing the interrupted flights of September 11 or were repositioning empty aircraft in anticipation of the resumption of full service. New passenger flights did not resume until the 14th.) During that two-day period of full lock-down, only the military and specially FAA-authorized flights that delivered life-saving medical necessities were in the air.

From http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flight.htm

The FBI was specifically forbidden to question bin Laden's family about his possible whereabouts. The FBI was furious over the whole thing. Check it out, the story was in the Nov 12 2001 New Yorker Magazine.

I've been unable to find the story - can you help?

How about the fact that Haliburton, the oil services firm Cheney ran (one should say that pays Cheney big kickbacks to make policy in their favor) , hosted, along with then-Governor Bush, a Taliban delegation in Houston, Texas in early 2000 to discuss an oil pipeline deal?

And? Yes, the Taliban should not have been dealing with our government - they treated their citizens horribly.

But I'm an adult - I don't expect my government to act morally. Coincidence does not equal conspiricy.

The Taliban were treated royally during their stay. Shortly thereafter, Russia got in on the action concerning an Afghanistan oil pipeline. The deal was not looking good after Bush took office. Then amazingly, two planes hit the WTC on 9/11.

You'll have to back up the claim that the deal was not working out. Afghanistan is and was relativly poor - I have a hard time believing that the Taliban would turn down such a deal.

Perhaps they feared western influence. But it would have been easy enough to bribe a few officials.

The men who did the hijacking were 15 Saudis and 4 Pakistanis. For some reason no one has been able to explain, instead of trying to find those responsible for planning it, we attacked Afghanistan (which had no evidence of a link to said 9/11 attack) and set up a friendly regime.

The Taliban was sheltering Bin Ladin. Bin Ladin planned (unless you question the tapes, and the circumstancial evidence of the Embassy and Cole bombings) the attacks.

He was the ringleader. They were sheltering the ringleader. You see the logic here?

Now, I find these coincidences odd. But I haven't seen enough evidence to go from 'Hmm, that's odd' to 'This was a conspiricy'.

As for the prior knowledge, well, I'll say this:

BUSH IS A FUCKING MORON! LOOK AT HIS A.G!

Never attribute to conspiricy that which can be equally explained by stupidity.

Negligent? Possibly. I will say this in Bush's defense: It's easy to condemn him now. But we have the gift of hindsight, not somthing he had. Now, he was warned of a possible hyjacking - not that planes would be used as missiles.

If you believe the government story, of course. I remain skeptical.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/16/politics/16INQU.html?todaysheadlines

Nobody has ever, to my knowledge, done that. The only anology I can think of is the kamakazi pilots.

*Shivers*

I defended the Shrub. I feel so....so....dirty.

Personally, I feel that he was negligent. But how negligent? I do not know yet, and am waiting for more information to leak.

I await Bushwatch's take on the issue, for one. ;)

Xev,

snopes.com? Next you'll be wanting me to believe that Reagan did not know about Iran-Contra.

The story was carried in the Nov 12 or 13 issue of New Yorker Magazine. National media. The White House ordering the FBI not to question the bin laden's and the FBI's frustration over it are in the same story.

The Taliban began to balk at the deal because the Russians stepped up aide to the Northern Alliance to destabilize the situation. Oh, wait, isn't the NA on our side? Oh, no, wait, they weren't then, because they could not give us a pipeline deal. At the time, they were cozy with a country that Bush was belligerent to then. But that all changed when...

There are too many links in this chain. Bush being a bone-jarringly stupid man (and yes, he is) does not preclude having some very smart people in our intelligence organization knowing about the attacks. I do not think Bush master minded letting 9/11 happen. I think one of his oil buddies or his daddy's cronies did it. Cheney is a real good candidate. Bush just went along with it. After all, it is only human lives. The man showed over and over as governor that human life was meaningless to him. The Bush family has a very long history of caring about nothing but money. Dubya is no different.

Northwind:

I've found snopes to be extremely credible. And I find their argument quite convincing.

The story was carried in the Nov 12 or 13 issue of New Yorker Magazine. National media. The White House ordering the FBI not to question the bin laden's and the FBI's frustration over it are in the same story.

I cannot comment until I see it. And I've no acess to a copy.

There are too many links in this chain.

The longer a chain is, the easier it is to break a link. I see coincidences. I do not see firm enough proof.

Bush being a bone-jarringly stupid man (and yes, he is) does not preclude having some very smart people in our intelligence organization knowing about the attacks. I do not think Bush master minded letting 9/11 happen.

If my rich grandmother dies, and leaves me all her money, does that mean I killed her?

I think one of his oil buddies or his daddy's cronies did it. Cheney is a real good candidate. Bush just went along with it.

Pure assertion. I'm sorry, as much as I hate the bastard, he is innocent until proven guilty, in my eyes.

After all, it is only human lives. The man showed over and over as governor that human life was meaningless to him. The Bush family has a very long history of caring about nothing but money. Dubya is no different.

There is a big difference between the execution of murderers* and killing innocent civilians by omission.

*One could claim that some were innocent, but this is a risk ~70% of Americans are willing to take. Yet few of that ~70% would kill ~3000 innocent civilians.

There is a big difference between the execution of murderers* and killing innocent civilians by omission.

Not really. Life is life.

70% of Americans also supposedly think Bush is doing a great job. Most Americans are stupid.

3000 dead in WTC, 4000 or so dead Afghanis (whose lives have equal worth to American lives)...oh, and we could mention the fact that Prescott Bush, Dubya's Grandfather, made a lot of his wealth investing in the Reich's Bank. He funded Hitler. So add some percentage of 6 million jews. How many people does this family have to help murder before we get them the fuck out of our government?

And yes, I know Dubya had nothing to do with his grandfather's investments. But how many generations of men from this family using the same values and the same methods to accumulate wealth and power are we going to tolerate? How many other families do the same shit and continue to reap rewards from it? Sure, Dubya should not be held accountable for the actions of an ancestor, but should he be allowed to live off that ill-gotten wealth? And if he is the same sort of man (and he IS), should it be tolerated? No, it should not.

The man showed over and over as governor that human life was meaningless to him.

Excuse me but just because you support the death penalty doees not mean human life is meaningless to you.
And, Im with Xev on this one, you have to show some kind of proof. I havent found anything on this (but i have been extremely busy today). Show some REAL proof - and then we'll talk!

Take care:)

Northwind:

"Not really. Life is life."

So, the guy who rapes and murders a ten year old has just as much of a right to live as the guy next door?

"70% of Americans also supposedly think Bush is doing a great job. Most Americans are stupid."

Yes, but they aren't killing people, are they? That's my point - supporting the DP does not make one more likely to be a murderer.

"oh, and we could mention the fact that Prescott Bush, Dubya's Grandfather, made a lot of his wealth investing in the Reich's Bank. He funded Hitler. So add some percentage of 6 million jews. How many people does this family have to help murder before we get them the fuck out of our government?"

You can't blame the Shrub for what his granddaddy did!

"And yes, I know Dubya had nothing to do with his grandfather's investments. But how many generations of men from this family using the same values and the same methods to accumulate wealth and power are we going to tolerate?"

So don't vote for him next election! (Are you Jewish? Don't vote for Buchanen either ;))

But that dosen't make him a murderer.

"How many other families do the same shit and continue to reap rewards from it? Sure, Dubya should not be held accountable for the actions of an ancestor, but should he be allowed to live off that ill-gotten wealth? And if he is the same sort of man (and he IS), should it be tolerated? No, it should not."

This is a whole 'nother topic. We're off topic. So, as *stRgrL* (*Xev bows in the lady's direction*) mentioned,

"Show some REAL proof"

My question was why hadn't anyone else posted on the subject as it should have plastered these forums within hours of the news breaking.

I understand why 9/11 couldn't have been prevented, governments receive hundreds of thousands of terrorist warnings each year, and to act on them all would be completely unthinkable.

It amazes me what kind of crap Bush haters are willing to believe.

I admit I am not his biggest fan but i wouldn't say i hate him, i listen to everyone i believe no one, propaganda is a bitch.

Oh, and Benji, if you ever make me think of George "Our Idiot Emperor" Bush with his pants down again, this will be heading your way:

LOL, so i guess a Clinton episode is out of the question?
Cigar anyone? :)


Personally, I feel that he was negligent. But how negligent? I do not know yet, and am waiting for more information to leak.

Agreed, like every leak that’s come from the white house in the past 30 years, just a little at a time.

Waiting for the other shoe to fall
We've been told it's coming soon
July 4th is a code red day
instead of red white and blue

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