Daniel Pipes: http://tv.nationalreview.com/uncommonknowledge/post/?q=YjNlYjdjNmExZGQ3ZDM2ZDNiYWQ5MmFjMDhkZDcyNmE=

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/06/06/daniel-pipes-if-obama-wins-bush-will-attack-iran-in-november/

“Should the Democratic nominee win in November, President Bush will ‘do something.’ and should it be Mr. McCain who wins, he’ll ‘punt,’ and let Mr. McCain decide what to do.

He called on powers such as Russia and China to prevent a US unilateral strike by helping Washington increase pressure on Tehran. “Look, if you don’t want an American attack, then you have to join us in being very serious with the Iranians and making clear to them we will attack if they don’t stop.”
Democrats have no say in the matter.

Neither Russia or China will cooperate with such an insideous political ambition of a war nation that has already shown its deceptiveness.

Sounds vague and poorly sourced to me...

Neither Russia or China will cooperate with such an insideous political ambition of a war nation that has already shown its deceptiveness.
Therefore say goodbye to Bushehr, Natanz, and Arak.

Therefore say goodbye to Bushehr, Natanz, and Arak.

no one said Iran will fight the war alone.

Sounds vague and poorly sourced to me...
Sources are Daniel Pipes and Bill Kristol. They are part of the Neo-Con cabal which controls the universe and all your thoughts. What better source can you possibly find?

no one said Iran will fight the war alone.
"Bring it on." -- George W. Bush

"Bring it on." -- George W. Bush

choke choke Mr. Pretzel

Sources are Daniel Pipes and Bill Kristol. They are part of the Neo-Con cabal which controls the universe and all your thoughts. What better source can you possibly find?

I'm sorry. Am I supposed to take that seriously?

I'm sorry. Am I supposed to take that seriously?
Hurricane Katrina is all Bush's fault. It's part of his master plan. Seriously...:D

He can't unless there is some incident.

He can't unless there is some incident.
He's Commander In Chief. Even if Bush doesn't Israel will anyway.

He can't declare war without congress.

He can't declare war without congress.
He doesn't need to declare war.

That's why I said, he needs some incident. He can't just attack them if they aren't an eminent threat.

He can't declare war without congress. IN all practical terms this is incorrect. Presidents can start wars without Congress and then if Congress, after the fact, does not 'support our troops' they will be branded non-patriots and the public will punish them. So a president can and has started wars without Congress. And not just Republicans. Shiny old Kennedy did it, for example.

That's why I said, he needs some incident. He can't just attack them if they aren't an eminent threat. I like the phrase eminent threat - like a dignified threat. It sounds like a translation from some Chinese daoist book on war. 'Imminent' is correct, but correct is overrated.

In any case, all you need to do is declare there is an eminent threat - I still love that - and then start the war. The domino theory worked and this was hardly imminent. It meant that if this country fell other would later. If you can squeeze a war out of that, well.........

Bush will attack Iran if Obama wins.
If true, it will be instructive to watch retard "patriots" ask for help for Obama.

If true, it will be instructive to watch retard "patriots" ask for help for Obama.

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I like the phrase eminent threat - like a dignified threat. It sounds like a translation from some Chinese daoist book on war. 'Imminent' is correct, but correct is overrated.

In any case, all you need to do is declare there is an eminent threat - I still love that - and then start the war. The domino theory worked and this was hardly imminent. It meant that if this country fell other would later. If you can squeeze a war out of that, well.........

Thanks for the correction, damn spell chequer!

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Precisely.

If you have to ask...

IN all practical terms this is incorrect. Presidents can start wars without Congress and then if Congress, after the fact, does not 'support our troops' they will be branded non-patriots and the public will punish them. So a president can and has started wars without Congress. And not just Republicans. Shiny old Kennedy did it, for example.

I agree with the first part of this. The last "war" America declared to fight in was WW2: All of its subsequent adventuring has been largely on presidential edict. But the notion of an Iran strike still seems farfetched to me, if for nothing else than our own intelligence services and military people saying it's impossible to do an Osrik-like raid these days.

I agree with the first part of this. The last "war" America declared to fight in was WW2: All of its subsequent adventuring has been largely on presidential edict. But the notion of an Iran strike still seems farfetched to me, if for nothing else than our own intelligence services and military people saying it's impossible to do an Osrik-like raid these days.

I don't think it will happen, mostly because Americans don't have the stomach for it. Our troops could topple that government in a week, but we won't because Obama knows it would guarantee he only served one term.

Daniel Pipes: http://tv.nationalreview.com/uncommonknowledge/post/?q=YjNlYjdjNmExZGQ3ZDM2ZDNiYWQ5MmFjMDhkZDcyNmE=

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/06/06/daniel-pipes-if-obama-wins-bush-will-attack-iran-in-november/


Democrats have no say in the matter.

How close to Bush's foreign policy people do you think Daniel Pipes is? I remember that he was a promoter of the Iraq war who got on TV a lot and or was quoted in newspapers a lot during the run up to the Iraq war.

On the other hand, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith, and Perle no longer work for Bush.

Could Pipes be trying to scare anti-war people into voting for McCain? Doubt it.

Pipes probably just misses being relevant to the degree that he was just prior to the Iraq war.

The USA is already paying Azerbajani separatists and probably other groups to muck about in Iran but I doubt the USA will do anything more than drop a few bombs on Iran prior to the next presidents term.

I would not be surprised if the Bush administration did a few things to try to make it more difficult for Obama to reverse the Bush foreign policy direction. I can't see Bush doing anything to upset the Saudi royal family. I can't see Bush doing anything that leaves the Iranian regime with no reason to not engage in a hot war with the USA.



http://www.king-george.biz/wst_page5.html

Original 25 PNAC signatories



Elliott Abrams

Gary Bauer

William J. Bennett

Jeb Bush

Dick Cheney

Eliot A. Cohen

Midge Decter

Paula Dobriansky

Steve Forbes

Aaron Friedberg

Francis Fukuyama

Frank Gaffney

Fred C. Ikle
Donald Kagan

Zalmay Khalilzad

Lewis "Scooter" Libby

Norman Podhoretz
Dan Quayle

Peter W. Rodman

Stephen P. Rosen

Henry S. Rowen
Donald Rumsfeld

Vin Weber

George Weigel

Paul Wolfowitz



Additional PNAC Signatories



Morton Abramowitz

Gordon Adams

Ken Adelman

Urban Ahlin

Madeleine K. Albright

Richard V. Allen

Giuliano Amato

Mark A. Anderson

Uzi Arad

Richard L. Armitage

Timothy Garton Ash

Anders Aslund

Ronald Asmus

Andrew Y. Au

Maureen Aung-Thwin

Nina Bang-Jensen

Rafael L. Bardaji

Carolyn Bartholomew

Wladyslaw Bartoszewski

Arnold Beichman

Peter Beinart

Jeffrey Bell

Jeffrey Bergner

Robert L. Bernstein

George Biddle

Carl Bildt

Daniel Blumenthal

John Bolton

Max Boot

Ellen Bork

Rudy Boshwitz

Pascal Bruckner

Mark Brzezinski

William F. Buckley, Jr

Reinhard Buetikofer

Janusz Bugajski

Michael Butler

Martin Butora

Daniele Capezzone

Per Carlsen

Gunilla Carlsson

Frank Carlucci

Linda Chavez

Steven C. Clemons

Seth Cropsey

Ivo H. Daalder

Helle Dale

Massimo D'Alema

Dennis DConcini

Pavol Demes

Larry Diamond

Peter Dimitrov

James Dobbins

Thomas Donnelly

Nicholas Eberstadt

Robert Edgar

Uffe Elleman-Jensen

Amitai Etzioni

Jeffrey L. Fiedler

Lee Feinstein

Edwin J. Feulner, Jr.

Michele Flournoy

Hillel Fradkin

Aaron Friedberg

Frank Gaffney

Peter Galbraith

Jeffrey Gedmin

Sam Gejdenson

Robert S. Gelbard

Reuel Marc Gerecht

Bronislaw Geremek

Carl Gershmann

Marc Ginsberg

Lt. Gen. Buster C. Glosson (USAF, retired)

Andre Glucksmann

Merle Goldman

Philip Gordon

Daniel Goure

Karl-Theodor von und zu Guttenberg

Istvan Gyarmati

Morton Halperin

Pierre Hassner

Vaclav Havel

John Herfferman

Charles Hill

Richard C. Holbrooke

James Hooper

Toomas Ilves

Martin S. Indyk

Bruce P. Jackson

Eli S. Jacobs

Michael Joyce

Frederick Kagan

Robert Kagan

Max M. Kampelman

Adrian Karatnycky

Penn Kemble

Craig Kennedy

Paul Kennedy

Glenys Kinnock

Col. Robert Killebrew (USA, retired)

Lane Kirklan

Jeane J. Kirkpatrick

Harold Hongju Koh

Bernard Kouchner

Peter Kovler

Jerzy Kozminski

Louis Kraar

van Krastev

Charles Krauthammer

Girts Valdis Kristovskis

William Kristol

Ludger Kuehnhardt

Mart Laar

Mark Lagon

AnthonyLake

Vytautas Landsbergis

Stephen Larrabee

John Lehman

Lewis E. Lehrman

Mark Leonard

Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger

Tod Lindberg

James Lindsay

Perry Link

Bette Bao Lord

Rich Lowry

Connie Mack

Christopher Makins

Tom Malinowski

James Mann

Mary Beth Markey

Yu Mao-chun

Will Marshall

Margarita Mathiopoulos

Clifford May

Gen. Barry R. McCaffrey (USA, retired)

Sen. John McCain
Daniel McKivergan

Michael McFaul

Matteo Mecacci

Mark Medish

Edwin Meese III

Thomas O. Melia

Saah E. Mendelson

Michael Mertes

Ilir Meta

Derek Mitchell

Adam Michnik

Richard Morningstar

Joshua Muravchik

Klaus Naumann

Steven J. Nider

Dietmar Nietan

Wing C. Ng

James O'Brien

Michael O'Hanlon

Janusz Onyszkiewicz

Cem Ozdemir

Mackubin Thomas Owens

Wayne Owens

Can Paker

Mark Palmer

Martin Peretz

Richard Perle

Ralph Peters

Daniel Pipes

Danielle Pletka

Friedbert Pflueger

Norman Podhoretz

John Edward Porter

Florentino Portero

Samantha Ravich

Anusz Reiter

Sophie Richardson

Peter Rodman

Alex Rondos

Jim Rosapepe

Dennis Ross

Kenneth Roth

Jacques Rupnik

Major Gen. Robert H. Scales (USA, retired)

Randy Scheunemann

Gary Schmitt

William Schneider, Jr.

Richard H. Shultz

Sen. Charles Schumer
Walter Slocombe

Henry Sokolski

Stephen J. Solarz

Helmut Sonnenfeldt

James B. Steinberg

Eberhard Sandschneider

Christian Schmidt

Sen. Charles Schummer
Simon Serfaty

Stephen Sestanovich

Sin-Ming Shaw

John Shattuck

Radek Sikorski

Stefano Silvestri

Martin Simecka

Paul Simon

Walter Slocombe

Gary Smith

Abraham Sofaer

James Steinberg

Leonard Sussman

John J. Sweeney

William Howard Taft IV

John Tkacik

Dick Thornburgh

Gry Titley

Helga Flores Trejo

Ed Turner

Ivan Vejvoda

Sasha Vondra

Arthur Waldron

Malcolm Wallop

Cleste Wallander

James Webb

Ruth Wedgood

Richard Weitz

Caspar Weinberger

Kenneth Weinstein

Paul Weyrich

Leon Wieseltier

Chris Williams

Jennifer Windsor

Marshall Wittmann

R. James Woolsey

Minky Worden

Larry Wortzel

Dov Zakheim

Robert B. Zoellick

Now that they've been paid on Bushehr, the FSB/Gazprom drug mafia says they will support Bush on Iran.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a80_zRXYOtO0&refer=home

July 7 (Bloomberg) -- President George W. Bush and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said they will keep working jointly to block Iran's uranium enrichment efforts while indicating they made no progress on bridging differences over U.S. plans to deploy a missile defense system in Europe.

``While there are some areas of disagreement I know there are other areas where we can work together,'' Bush said following his meeting with the Russian leader at the Group of Eight industrial nations summit in Toyako, Japan.

Medvedev said he and Bush will ``build on the relationship'' between the two nations in the remaining months of the U.S. president's term.

The meeting, which lasted more than an hour, was the first between the two since Medvedev took over from Vladimir Putin in May. They met previously when Bush traveled to Russia in April for talks with Putin on U.S. plans to install a missile-defense system in Eastern Europe.

Hurricane Katrina is all Bush's fault. It's part of his master plan. Seriously...:D

And 911 is all Bill Clinton's fault. Right?

And 911 is all Bill Clinton's fault. Right?
I wouldn't expect a Democrat to know who Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda are, so yes, it was Bill Clinton's fault.

I wouldn't expect a Democrat to know who Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda are, so yes, it was Bill Clinton's fault.

so how do you warn some one of a person and group you have never heard of?

so how do you warn some one of a person and group you have never heard of?

or, in fact warn of a group that doesn't even exist