Bush says he wants to be the "Peace President"? Give us a break! Bush has no desire to want peace. Instead, I believe he eventually wants to bomb and invade Iran if he can find a strong enough 9/11 link and he's trying hard enough to do that right now.........Wait & see!

Yob Atta :)

but if there is a link, wouldn't you want the ayatollah's to be accountable?

what's an example of a link? the terrorists once flew over iran? they owned ayatollah t-shirts? perhaps they once ate in an iranian restaurant.

It would take video of the ayatollah and bin laden planning the 9/11 attack in detail before I'd believe anything bush claimed about links now. If bush actually cared about verifiable links saudi arabia would be a smoking crater right now.

saudi arabia would be a smoking crater right now.

Without a shadow of a doubt, considering 15 were Saudi, and that Al Q funds come from Saudi Arabia. But, of course Iran which is Shi’a and Al Q being Sunni (alas they hate each other) had more co-operations. I want a link to see if this joke "Peace President" is actually what he said.

I would bet that Bush the so-called "Peace President" would use an even "small" 9/11 link as justification to bomb Iran..........Having said that, I also believe that Bush would send troops to Iran just to try and find the 9/11 terrorists if he thought he could do it.......Wait & see1

Yob Atta :)

i think there is a very big 9/11 connection with Saudi. but instead of just bombing the shit out of Saudi, Bush's gov't is saying "ok buddy.. if you don't want me to go public with this info and take strong actions there are a few things you're gonna do for me: ... "

Iran though, it remains to be seen.

there are several allegations about the Iranians. one is that the regime in Tehran knew about the plan and provided safe passage to 10 of the hijackers. they gave instructions to border guards not to stamp their passports.

if this allegation proves to be true, i'd like to see the ayatollahs brought to justice.
i love Iranians.. really, i do... the friendliest and nicest people... but their government is made up of lunatics which among other state terrorism are now supposedly were part of 9/11

the ayatollahs should be brought to justice for other atrocities they have and are committing... but involvement in 9/11 would call for very tough actions

buffys, you didn't answer the question. if there is a concrete link, should the ayatollahs be dealt with, and how?

Now this really does kill me…

i love Iranians.. really, i do... the friendliest and nicest people...

But I have no qualms about attacking them, or even nuking them into submission. Love you Iran! Give a me break you would love to see that country wiped off the face of the Earth.

there are several allegations about the Iranians. one is that the regime in Tehran knew about the plan and provided safe passage to 10 of the hijackers. they gave instructions to border guards not to stamp their passports.

Now I think that is a stretch beyond all belief, this is really starting to sound like March 2003, and look where that got us. With all that great “intelligence”, firstly no one said that Iran knew about 9/11, secondly the CIA said that Iran had no link to 9/11. You are making things up so you can hype for some war, or other wet dreams you have in your imagination against Iran.

but involvement in 9/11 would call for very tough actions

Which would be what? An invasion…lol! Iran imo has very little to fear from this, and this will die very quickly.

There is little doubt in the American public's mind that the so-called "Peace President" would without doubt, bomb Iran if he there is any (and I emphasize "any") substantial evidence to show a 9/11 connection. There is little doubt in the American public's mind that the so-called "Peace President" would send troops into Iran to look for the suspected 9/11 terrorists if there are any still hiding there or the people who helped them.......Best example is Iraq! Why wouldn't he do the same to Iran if he thought he could get away with it. Who's going to stop him? The American Congress? They didn't before and I doubt if they will be able to stop him again. The reason why? Because he's not a true "Peace President" and those who believe him are just fooling themselves!

Yob Atta :)

a) my question has not been answered yet!
b) there are many ways to destabilize the ayatollah.. an armed invasion is just one option out of many many

I don't think the so-called "Peace President" wants to use any other means other than bombing or using an armed invasion of Iran.........He could have "de-stabilized" Sadam in other ways if he wanted to, other than bombing and using an armed invasion of Iraq. I'm sure he and his administration staff of "Yes Men/women" think the same way. The so-called "Peace President" I'm sure will not hesistate to bomb and invade as his primary tactic to go after the 9/11 connections in Iran wants he confirms a solid 9/11 connection.......Wait & see!

Yob Atta :)

were absolute proof of iranian involvement discovered the US would certainly have the right to respond. The reason I brought up saudi arabia though is because of the US's lack of action. There are serious consistency issues here, they attacked an uninvolved country (iraq) and not only did nothing about saudi arabia but remain good buddies.

So, I think if iran was implicated they'd be a justifiable target. that said, since the US didn't do anything about the one actual linked country how can they attack another country and expect to be taken seriously?

The bottom line is bush has lost all credibility in this area, if there are to be further actions by america it has to be under a different president. As much as many americans hate to admit it world opinion matters a great deal. I'm not saying that you should allow international views to affect who is elected, just that as long as bush is in power don't expect much support from the rest of us. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice... etc.

As long as we have the so-called "Peace President" in office, I don't think we'll see much peace anywhere as far as that is concerned. Bush wants to be re-elected badly so he can continue the "Peace President" process which, is to take care (by bombing/invading) of any solid 9/11 connections in Iran and/or other any other country as far as that goes. In the trusted words of ex-Senator Cleland, an ex-vietnam injured vet., was quoted as saying Bush 'Flat-out-lied' about Iraq. I don't think Bush would hesitate to use military force to go after any solid or not-so solid 9/11 connection if he thought he could do it. That's a "Peace President" for ya!

Yob Atta :)

That's the great thing about the English language. Bush can tell the absolute truth and say he's a "piece President" and people will think he means "peace". I wanna piece of this and that, I wanna blow them to pieces! *whistles*

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Which would be what? An invasion…lol! Iran imo has very little to fear from this, and this will die very quickly.

Why would Iran not fear an invasion? Do you think there is no base in the US for such an enterprise, or do you think the invasion itself would fail?

Peace President? HA! He's not even trying anymore. War should be the absolute last option for solving a problem. Bush demonstrated that he does not believe this by invading Iraq. There had to be other means than war to remove Saddam. Peace President...*cough* yeah right, he ain't foolin no one.

a) my question has not been answered yet!
b) there are many ways to destabilize the ayatollah.. an armed invasion is just one option out of many many


Don't you get it? People don't care what you write here, you are just inserting your garbage on each and every post and try to reply to every one when no one cares what the hell you write. I hope you get it. ;)

skywalker says:
“ Originally Posted by otheadp
a) my question has not been answered yet!
b) there are many ways to destabilize the ayatollah.. an armed invasion is just one option out of many many ”



Don't you get it? People don't care what you write here, you are just inserting your garbage on each and every post and try to reply to every one when no one cares what the hell you write. I hope you get it.

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What do YOU get?
money!

Philosopher Philocrazy
Ps get some money, get a job, get a fucking something
all you get is yourself!!!!!

Sounds like good advice to me...........

Yob Atta

skywalker on otheadp: "Don't you get it? People don't care what you write here, you are just inserting your garbage on each and every post and try to reply to every one when no one cares what the hell you write. I hope you get it."

I care what he writes, and I pay close attention to it. I wish there were many more Bush supporters posting here; more warheads; more zionists. I wish we could hear more often from militant Palestinians; from Somalis, Kurds, Kashmiris, Chechens, Serbs, and from every side of every collective-killing orgy and system of oppression on this planet.

If we had a chorus of one opinion here, this board would have no value whatsoever to me.

otheadp's post is on topic and deserves consideration. The US has many ways of covertly dominating the planet, and can instigate regime changes anywhere. In the case of Iraq, installing Allawi could have been done without all the initial bloodshed, with a well-organized coup. Americans need to think on this, because if we are going to run the planet, we had better get cracking soon, start doing it right, and play remorselessly for keeps. The world is onto this American tendency for re-arranging the global furniture, and alternative remodeling is being planned in opposition.

If Americans really want an empire, then we had better all agree on it, or stifle all opposition, and then put on our blackshirts, slip into our jackboots, throw off all pretenses of "compassionate conservatism", shuck off the "force for democracy" masks, and launch a global Total War for our New World Order. Act Now! This is a limited-time opportunity! Because they're onto us out there, and half-way measures won't do the job.

But what actually is going to happen, is Americans won't be talking so loud a decade from now, because we've just ripped a gaping hole in our magestic New American Century balloon, and the hot air is escaping fast. On the way down, if we're learning anything at all, we should not be calling for anyone to stifle their own opinion. After the fall, it will be important to understand the opinions that brought us to this. otheadp well represents a worldview that is going to continue causing feedback cycles of death and destruction in interplay with opposing reactionaries. We had better listen well, and understand well, what is expressed on all sides.

As events unfold, instead of disengaging, patiently provide warheads, segregationists, interventionists, and reactionaries on every side the chance to begin noticing what destruction and misery their outlooks are creating. Then offer them another chance. And another. Unless we learn together, we learn for naught, and the cries for blood will never stop.

Don't you get it? People don't care what you write here, you are just inserting your garbage on each and every post and try to reply to every one when no one cares what the hell you write. I hope you get it. ;)

apparently you care enough to respond ;)
i hope yu're not having a nervous breakdown or something.

deep breaths and a glass of water are a good start... but if it does no good, put on the magic vest (http://www.ananova.com/images/news/suicidebombbabyREUTERS341x480.jpg) and visit your girlfriends (http://secure.milspecgroup.com/cgi-bin/75thrangers/505-102.htm) who are so eagerly waiting for you ;)

Allahu Akbar

Why would Iran not fear an invasion? Do you think there is no base in the US for such an enterprise, or do you think the invasion itself would fail?

Yes the invasion the fail, quite simply Iran has millions of men ready to fight, and fight for real. This isn’t some Iraq here, we are talking about a country who is much more nationalistic, and more defensive. No matter how much some might try to villianize the Ayatollahs the fact remains that they defend not only Iran, but Shi’a Islam. The US would not be able to field enough men, consider it would take upwards of 600,000 men to fight North Korea, whose land mass is 1/20 the size of Iran, and whose population is ¼ that of Iran. Even if the US could muster enough men (in excess of a million) you would still have significant problems getting anywhere. There is no base for which the US can successfully attack Iran. It can’t attack through Iraq because the Mountains would make the passage a deadly one, an invasion from Afghanistan would fail, the troops would be at the mercy of the dry deserts of the region, and an invasion from the south would be repulsed because you have another huge mountain change to go through. Tehran is not Baghdad by any stretch of the imagination, and the US would never make it imo. So if you genius’ decide to invade Iran, I will be safely drinking lemonade. Also don’t expect anyone in this world to actually help you.

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You did not even let me enjoy it. :o

That's funny. Bush said he was "a war president."

I think with Bush there is a "fine line" between war & peace!

Yob Atta

"You did not even let me enjoy it."

Sorry, Sky- I was hoping Pothead would put a little effort of thought in, having been shown some respect. Oh, well.

... an invasion from Afghanistan would fail, the troops would be at the mercy of the dry deserts of the region...
How much of a problem could such a terrain pose?
Also don’t expect anyone in this world to actually help you.
What about Britain? Would they help, you think?

Bush had his four years.

He hasn't actually "had" them yet, so to speak.

That's funny. Bush said he was "a war president."

That flip flopper! :D :rolleyes: ;)

He also said he would not be a "nation builder" either. :D

How much of a problem could such a terrain pose?

Imagine, no roads, rocky desert, blazing hot days, freezing night, with the occasional ambush, and major battles along the way in the cities. American forces imo wouldn’t be able to do it. America may have the most advanced military on Earth, but there is always the devil of the supply lines, imo they would be stretched and sitting ducks for the Iranian army, and militia.

http://www.iran-now.de/bilder/map/iran.gif

About 1000 km to Tehran from Afghanistan, let me tell you 150,000 men wouldn’t make it.

What about Britain? Would they help, you think?

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Oh man, you have to stop…the UK hardly supported you in Iraq, the UK doesn’t have military large enough, and no one wants to pay for that Iranian mess. No you are alone, with the occasional bombing by the Israeli’s. If Israel helps you, then really it is no holds bar in the Middle East, everyone would want to kill an American. Play your imperial games, you will eventually fail.

I agree.......If the U.S. "Bush" decides to bomb and invade Iran, America will be a most hated country. No american will be safe anywhere amd terrorists will converge on the U.S. and U.S. interests everywhere they can. Bush would be crazy to attack Iran but Bush is crazy anyway!

Yob Atta

Bosh only missed by one letter!

Anyway, Bosh seems to be starting to cook up a plan to invade two countries. All I can say is that he's out of his fucking mind (excuse the language, but it was for emphasis). I disliked Bush when he was elected, I wasn't keen on him when he went fo Afganistan, I loathed him when he went to Iraq, but there are no words to describe what I would think of him if he went to Iran. "Hey, let's fuck up another country and take their oil, I'm hated enough already, my country has been given a bad enough name, why not go all the way?!".

http://www.iran-now.de/bilder/map/iran.gif

About 1000 km to Tehran from Afghanistan, let me tell you 150,000 men wouldn’t make it.

What about 150,000 men with air support from Herat (http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=91) and various other places quite like it (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jan2002/base-j11.shtml)?

Play your imperial games, you will eventually fail.
Since when were these my games?

If Bush is re-elected, you can bet that if he found a strong enough 9/11 link there, he would attack and invade Iran.........He would that as his excuse to bomb them. He's crazy enough to do it and he will if he's re-elected regardless of what the U.S. congress and american people says! Look what he did in Iraq!

Yob Atta

Bill Clinton, July 13

But you think he's(Bush) beatable?

Clinton: The central error he made was in abandoning compassionate conservatism. But I predict that they will try to undo it between now and the election, like they did in Iraq -- it's gonna be an interesting thing to watch.


Geoge W Bush, July 20

Bush Says: 'I Want to Be the Peace President'

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040721/ts_nm/campaign_bush_dc_5

George W Bush, July 23

To periodic smatterings of applause from the black audience, he asserted that his prescription of tax relief, education reform and compassionate conservatism is doing far more than the traditional programs of Democrats to address the nation's ills that hit particularly hard at blacks.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&ncid=703&e=1&u=/ap/20040723/ap_on_el_pr/bush

We'll see if it works this time.

It's very keen of you, and of ol' Bubba (funny how intelligent he seems now in comparison to his successor) to so readily recognize this manipulation- But it's also very risky for the Busheviks to attempt this: If American conservatives take notice of the manipulations in any measurable numbers, the Bush Administration is toast. The heat is on, and I'm sure Kristol, Perle, Rove, Cheney, and the rest of the cabal are feeling it.

Watching Bush strategists take breathtaking gambles in everything they do is getting distinctly disconcerting: They've already bet more than living American generations can pay, and have yet to come up definitively winners. If their already evident compulsive gambling, and Bushevik aversion to losing get the better of them, we've got Trouble- Right here in River City! With a capital "T", that rhymes with "P", that stands for Provocation.

It's very keen of you, and of ol' Bubba (funny how intelligent he seems now in comparison to his successor) to so readily recognize this manipulation

it really IS funny, clintons legacy was a bit of a question mark after he left office. but after a few years with bush, clinton looks like a cross between einstein, superman, lincon and ghandi in retrospect. His flaws could have sunk him in history's eyes but now they seem like quaint little eccentricities. It could be said that bush saved his reputation, ironic really.

Looking back almost 4 years, if Gore would have won the election, I doubt very seriously if he would have went after Sadam. Gore would have probably just concentrated the U.S. military in trying to find Osama Bin Laden and not risk invading and bombing (maybe a little once in a while) Iraq. He might have been a more conservative president with a lot more intelligence and common sense than Bush. Bush is a "clueless" president! Right on Michael Moore!

Yob Atta

Yeah he want's a piece of Iraq, a piece of Iran, and a piece of any other country with lots of oil in it.

What about 150,000 men with air support from Herat and various other places quite like it?

That doesn’t change anything; all it shows is that Heart is a target for Iranian missiles. The US cannot win a war with an Air Force attack against Iran, the country is too huge. If you want to depose of the Ayatollah you got to get on the ground and fight. Also Iran’s air defenses are rather strong, although not much a challenge against a large US force, it can do some damage. Imo there is simply no way the US can actually invade Iran and win.

Since when were these my games?

Well I didn’t mean you specifically, although if you did vote for Bush then you deserve some slander. :p

I really have no idea whether or not the US's growing military presence in central Eurasia would give it a victory in Iran. I don't know how effective aerial bombardment would be against zealous guerilla forces, but I would wager that it'd make a difference.

It's kind of silly to consider it, though. It's not going to happen.

I really have no idea whether or not the US's growing military presence in central Eurasia would give it a victory in Iran. I don't know how effective aerial bombardment would be against zealous guerilla forces, but I would wager that it'd make a difference.

Of course a strong American presence in Central Asia will raise the ire of Iran, but also the US is now treading on territory that both Russia and China are fighting for as well. The US presence in Afghanistan (assuming that it actually happens) will create the new “great race” for Central Asian oil, and natural gas. The US can attack Iran aerially but in reality that is not going to change anything except charge up 70 million Persians for a war. Iran sacrificed over 1 million men in the 80’s against Iraq in her failed invasion attempts for 8 long years, what makes us think that they won’t fight even harder against the US? The difference that an American attack would be that it would really turn the world on its head.

It's not going to happen.

One can only hope not, for your sake. *coughdraftcough*

I really have no idea whether or not the US's growing military presence in central Eurasia would give it a victory in Iran. I don't know how effective aerial bombardment would be against zealous guerilla forces, but I would wager that it'd make a difference.

Of course a strong American presence in Central Asia will raise the ire of Iran, but also the US is now treading on territory that both Russia and China are fighting for as well. The US presence in Afghanistan (assuming that it actually happens) will create the new “great race” for Central Asian oil, and natural gas. The US can attack Iran aerially but in reality that is not going to change anything except charge up 70 million Persians for a war. Iran sacrificed over 1 million men in the 80’s against Iraq in her failed invasion attempts for 8 long years, what makes us think that they won’t fight even harder against the US? The difference that an American attack would be that it would really turn the world on its head.

It's not going to happen.

One can only hope not, for your sake. *coughdraftcough*

Never Say Never as long as Bush is president! If he finds a strong enough 9/11 link in Iran, watch out!

Yob Atta

Let us hope that the so-called "Peace President" Bush is not re-elected..........

Yob Atta

Here is what I think bush is going to do he will push Iran to the point and then sence thet little freak out that there 3rd in command did about there missles being ready and all speech and how they are going to nuke us... He will get them to attack one of our bases with a nuke... Really should not take much to get them to do that.

after they nuke our underground air base humm... underground.... you might think that they are going up aginst nukes wouldn't you? Then bush says green light and we shoot off 2 or 3 peace keepers from the states and 6-8 min later all the military bases and odds are the capital will be a smoldering hole...

We had justifcation they nuked us first.... Thats how it will play out...

If they some how get a nuke to the states well then it won't be 2-3 peace keepers its going to be a full on glassing over of Iran.

but if there is a link, wouldn't you want the ayatollah's to be accountable?

just like the link to Iraq and Al Qaeda

http://www.mpacuk.org/mpac/data/a1bb3698/fun3.gif

i guess America cant stop bumming zionists up the arse.

Syria next, i can tell.

http://www.mpacuk.org/mpac/data/a1bb3698/fun1.gif

Ascertained? Do you honestly think that Bush can say that?

I believe Bush really thinks he can make the american people believe him when he says Iraq has WMD. I also believe if Bush is re-elected, he will try and convince the american people he's found a strong enough 9/11 link in Iran to warrant the U.S. to attack! Don't believe it? Re-elect Bush and find out.

Yob Atta

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aah, political cartoons. It never ceases to amaze me how a drawing can say more than a 1000 word essay.

I think political debate should be confined to cartoons, artist against artist. It would save us all from the the vacuum that occupies most of the discussion. There's just something pure about a clever picture that cuts through all the crap.